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Beep scheme - anyone joining

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    #32
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    coolshannagh28 wrote: »
    Its debatable if this is an effective means of recording cows milk potential , would the calf not need to be weighed at birth for any level of accuracy ? Its interesting that the drive towards milk will benefit dairy farmers as demand for dairy x heifers will increase as the govt proves their point .

    Birthweight is +/-10 kilos. Weight gain lost through scour /pneumonia has a much more pronounced effect


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    #33
    TooOldBoots
    Closed Accounts Posts: 604 ✭✭✭TooOldBoots


    Its still going to be a very crude method of scoring a cow for milk and performance when so many other factors can effect the performance of the cow and calf.
    Stocking density
    Weather
    Grass Quality
    Time to pasture
    Heath of the animals
    etc etc


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    #34
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    TooOldBoots wrote: »
    Its still going to be a very crude method of scoring a cow for milk and performance when so many other factors can effect the performance of the cow and calf.
    Stocking density
    Weather
    Grass Quality
    Time to pasture
    Heath of the animals
    etc etc
    Which will be catered for by large numbers of cattle under the different conditions to even out the different management practices.


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    #35
    TooOldBoots
    Closed Accounts Posts: 604 ✭✭✭TooOldBoots


    No it wont, it'll be the same as the suckler welfare scheme in the past. Farmers back then filled out the forms, put down any old dates etc and there were very few Weaned Weanlings at the autumn sales.
    The same thing will happen again. Farmers will get the number of the scales from a neighbor or wherever then eyeball the cow and calf weights for the form and collect the money.


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    #36
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,699 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    TooOldBoots wrote: »
    No it wont, it'll be the same as the suckler welfare scheme in the past. Farmers back then filled out the forms, put down any old dates etc and there were very few Weaned Weanlings at the autumn sales.
    The same thing will happen again. Farmers will get the number of the scales from a neighbor or wherever then eyeball the cow and calf weights for the form and collect the money.

    Not with statistics, they'll know if you just put down any old info. They're not stupid. These weanlings will end up in the mart, where they are weighed and weights sent to ICBF. Your weights won't correlate right with the mart weights. Also if you use AI or have bulls of known breeding, all the odd stuff will show up aswell.
    If they do spotchecks, you'll be first on the list.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #37
    TooOldBoots
    Closed Accounts Posts: 604 ✭✭✭TooOldBoots


    Yeah and they did spot checks for the suckler welfare scheme did they?
    I remember I was the only fool in the Mart with weaned and on meal stock. Every other Weanling there was bawling for the cow.
    And since when is a mart scales or (factory scales) within calibration or spec?
    Most farmers worth there salt can eyeball a Weanling weight to within 50kg.


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    #38
    wiggy123
    Registered Users Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭wiggy123


    what is this system--worthwhile or not... payment €40 a calf-that right??


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    #39
    bogman_bass
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    TooOldBoots wrote: »
    Yeah and they did spot checks for the suckler welfare scheme did they?
    I remember I was the only fool in the Mart with weaned and on meal stock. Every other Weanling there was bawling for the cow.
    And since when is a mart scales or (factory scales) within calibration or spec?
    Most farmers worth there salt can eyeball a Weanling weight to within 50kg.

    My memory is there was way less bawling during the scheme


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    #40
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    bogman_bass wrote: »
    My memory is there was way less bawling during the scheme

    Yep it made a big improvement in my opinion.


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    #41
    croot
    Registered Users Posts: 571 ✭✭✭croot


    bogman_bass wrote: »
    My memory is there was way less bawling during the scheme

    Yes I agree.

    It was much more noticeable when a pen of weanlings were bawling as a result.


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    #42
    Limestone Cowboy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭Limestone Cowboy


    TooOldBoots wrote: »
    Yeah and they did spot checks for the suckler welfare scheme did they?
    I remember I was the only fool in the Mart with weaned and on meal stock. Every other Weanling there was bawling for the cow.
    And since when is a mart scales or (factory scales) within calibration or spec?
    Most farmers worth there salt can eyeball a Weanling weight to within 50kg.

    You'd be a long way out at 50kg. Would normally be within 10-20kg with a weanling. Not that sharp around cows and heavier stock though.


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    #43
    Limestone Cowboy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭Limestone Cowboy


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Not with statistics, they'll know if you just put down any old info. They're not stupid. These weanlings will end up in the mart, where they are weighed and weights sent to ICBF. Your weights won't correlate right with the mart weights. Also if you use AI or have bulls of known breeding, all the odd stuff will show up aswell.
    If they do spotchecks, you'll be first on the list.

    This is one of the things that peeves me about Icbf and I brought it up at one of those nights at the Mart where they had a speaker there. They already have a huge amount of this info from marts, weights and price per kilo and all the info we have filled in for the bdgp to correlate with it and I don't see what benefit weighing the cow brings to it. The heaviest weanling I sold last October was a February born black lim out of a 5 star Hereford cow 365kg-680. Grand straight calf but nothing fancy either. Sold 9 red lims out of lim cows at an average of 280kg-840. There is only one statistic there that matters.


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    #44
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,699 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    I think you have to read between the lines with this scheme. The dept know this has been a disastrous year for beef farmers. The can't just hand money to farmers. That day is gone so it has to come in under another guise. What better way than reducing barbon footprints. At the same time ICBF will collect the only bit of missing data they need - cow and weanling weights.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #45
    blue5000
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    Weighing the cow is to find out how efficient she is. The higher the percentage weight the calf is of the cow's weight the more efficient the cow is at converting grass to calf, therefore the smaller her carbon footprint is.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



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    #46
    Limestone Cowboy
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    Efficient at producing kilos or Money?


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    TalkingBull
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    Limestone Cowboy wrote: »
    This is one of the things that peeves me about Icbf and I brought it up at one of those nights at the Mart where they had a speaker there. They already have a huge amount of this info from marts, weights and price per kilo and all the info we have filled in for the bdgp to correlate with it and I don't see what benefit weighing the cow brings to it. The heaviest weanling I sold last October was a February born black lim out of a 5 star Hereford cow 365kg-680. Grand straight calf but nothing fancy either. Sold 9 red lims out of lim cows at an average of 280kg-840. There is only one statistic there that matters.




    your not allowed to talk about colour anymorebiggrin.png


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    #48
    bogman_bass
    Registered Users Posts: 5,057 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    Limestone Cowboy wrote: »
    Efficient at producing kilos or Money?

    If you have the data you can figure out both


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    #49
    White Clover
    Registered Users Posts: 4,566 ✭✭✭White Clover


    bogman_bass wrote: »
    If you have the data you can figure out both

    Which one do you think is the most important one to limestone cowboy? Or any farmer for that matter?


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    #50
    Limestone Cowboy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭Limestone Cowboy


    White Clover wrote: »
    Which one do you think is the most important one to limestone cowboy? Or any farmer for that matter?

    I think I made my point clear :D


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    #51
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,699 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Did anyone apply on-line yet Lads? If so, how?

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #52
    Parishlad
    Registered Users Posts: 879 ✭✭✭Parishlad


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Did anyone apply on-line yet Lads? If so, how?

    Yep, through Agfood. There is an option to select on left hand side for the scheme. Just need to select it and tick a box.


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    #53
    Aravo
    Registered Users Posts: 853 ✭✭✭Aravo


    Parishlad wrote:
    Yep, through Agfood. There is an option to select on left hand side for the scheme. Just need to select it and tick a box.


    +1 done online


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    #54
    wiggy123
    Registered Users Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭wiggy123


    what is to it--re is it worthwhile..only have a handful of pb cows


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    #55
    _Brian
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    Was talking to an ag consultant today and he says it’s basically a “shut up” payment.

    It gives the govt a large overall figure they can roll out in speeches to say they supported the beef sector yet actually providing no meaningful help to the industry at all.


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    #56
    Omallep2
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭Omallep2


    Is this a scheme to get data that could be linked to carbon tax down the road? Heavier cows = more tax?


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    #57
    therunaround
    Registered Users Posts: 128 ✭✭therunaround


    Would a cattle scales with +/- 1kg acurracy like the one mentioned here be suitable for weighing lambs too? If it would do that job too I think I'd definitely go for it.


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    #58
    Hard Knocks
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    therunaround wrote: »
    Would a cattle scales with +/- 1kg acurracy like the one mentioned here be suitable for weighing lambs too? If it would do that job too I think I'd definitely go for it.

    Yes it is & we do that here


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    #59
    tractorporn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭tractorporn


    Has anyone registered a scales yet? I had a quick look on ICBF and can't see anywhere to register?


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    #60
    larthehar
    Registered Users Posts: 606 ✭✭✭larthehar


    tractorporn wrote: »
    Has anyone registered a scales yet? I had a quick look on ICBF and can't see anywhere to register?

    It says a new website will be launched in March in the T&C's.. may hold out for another month!

    Cows will have to be got in to weigh no doubt as the system won.t be ready before turnout..


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    #61
    Track9
    Registered Users Posts: 254 ✭✭Track9


    Dont forget , one needs post off or register online the Yellow Form .
    Yellow form is registering of interest ( closing date is circa Feb 21 st )


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