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Beep scheme - anyone joining

Mac Taylor

As above, €40 euro per calf, seems you can rent the scales for €50 euro.
Not sure on the number of weigh ins required. For me it would be ~800 euro, can’t say whether I’m interested or not

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TooOldBoots

Yeah and they did spot checks for the suckler welfare scheme did they?
I remember I was the only fool in the Mart with weaned and on meal stock. Every other Weanling there was bawling for the cow.
And since when is a mart scales or (factory scales) within calibration or spec?
Most farmers worth there salt can eyeball a Weanling weight to within 50kg.

patsy_mccabe

TooOldBoots wrote: »

No it wont, it'll be the same as the suckler welfare scheme in the past. Farmers back then filled out the forms, put down any old dates etc and there were very few Weaned Weanlings at the autumn sales.
The same thing will happen again. Farmers will get the number of the scales from a neighbor or wherever then eyeball the cow and calf weights for the form and collect the money.

Not with statistics, they'll know if you just put down any old info. They're not stupid. These weanlings will end up in the mart, where they are weighed and weights sent to ICBF. Your weights won't correlate right with the mart weights. Also if you use AI or have bulls of known breeding, all the odd stuff will show up aswell.
If they do spotchecks, you'll be first on the list.

TooOldBoots

No it wont, it'll be the same as the suckler welfare scheme in the past. Farmers back then filled out the forms, put down any old dates etc and there were very few Weaned Weanlings at the autumn sales.
The same thing will happen again. Farmers will get the number of the scales from a neighbor or wherever then eyeball the cow and calf weights for the form and collect the money.

Buford T. Justice XIX

TooOldBoots wrote: »

Its still going to be a very crude method of scoring a cow for milk and performance when so many other factors can effect the performance of the cow and calf.
Stocking density
Weather
Grass Quality
Time to pasture
Heath of the animals
etc etc

Which will be catered for by large numbers of cattle under the different conditions to even out the different management practices.

TooOldBoots

Its still going to be a very crude method of scoring a cow for milk and performance when so many other factors can effect the performance of the cow and calf.
Stocking density
Weather
Grass Quality
Time to pasture
Heath of the animals
etc etc

charolais0153

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

Its debatable if this is an effective means of recording cows milk potential , would the calf not need to be weighed at birth for any level of accuracy ? Its interesting that the drive towards milk will benefit dairy farmers as demand for dairy x heifers will increase as the govt proves their point .

Birthweight is +/-10 kilos. Weight gain lost through scour /pneumonia has a much more pronounced effect

coolshannagh28

Its debatable if this is an effective means of recording cows milk potential , would the calf not need to be weighed at birth for any level of accuracy ? Its interesting that the drive towards milk will benefit dairy farmers as demand for dairy x heifers will increase as the govt proves their point .

patsy_mccabe

leoch wrote: »

can anyone explain wat this scheme is for or about in simple terms ??

You have to weigh the suckler cows and their calves between the dates of 4th Mar – 1st Nov 2019.
From this they can measure the milk the cow produces (indirect tru the weight of the calf) and also what weight she is. Milk has always been difficult for ICBF to measure as it gets mudddled up with the amount of meal fed to the weanlings before they are sold.

leoch

can anyone explain wat this scheme is for or about in simple terms ??

Dozer1

Signed up one year what the hell can't be that bad,

Don't plan on buying a scales will get a lad in to weigh them as I don't have the numbers

I assume I can weigh 2 times in the year, ideally I'd weigh the autumn calves in March and the spring born ones in Oct

Simmental.

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Where did you sign up? Can you do it online?

You can sign up on agfood

patsy_mccabe

Parishlad wrote: »

I signed up. 'Only' worth about €600 to me but if, as it appears, that's for one days work then I'll take it all day long!!

Where did you sign up? Can you do it online?

Some info here;
https://www.icbf.com/wp/?page_id=12735

charolais0153

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Mate of mine with sucklers thought it was five, same as the bdgp?

Its 1 year

Mad_maxx

Sami23 wrote: »

1 year

Mate of mine with sucklers thought it was five, same as the bdgp?

Sami23

Mad_maxx wrote: »

How long must you stay in this new scheme?

1 year

Mad_maxx

How long must you stay in this new scheme?

charolais0153

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Is it open to dairy heifer calves, if so I’m in

No. Just sucklers

Keepgrowing

Is it open to dairy heifer calves, if so I’m in

TooOldBoots

Sami23 wrote: »

Where you price that - what make etc.
Was half thinking about buying one through Tams myself

http://oneillweighing.ie/livestockweighingscales.html

It was inside in liffey mills, I didn't do any negotiation so I was thinking it could be bought for €1400 inc vat
With the VAT back and a TAMs grant it would come in at a cost to me of around €700

Sami23

TooOldBoots wrote: »

No I'll be renting the scales.
Ticked the two boxes this morning so I'm in.

Does anyone know if the calves you are weighing have to be born on your farm or if bought in Cows & Calves qualify too ?

Also, is there a certain age the calves need to be for weighing ?
TIA

Parishlad

I signed up. 'Only' worth about €600 to me but if, as it appears, that's for one days work then I'll take it all day long!!

Sami23

TooOldBoots wrote: »

Priced a new scales, it comes in at €1450 Inc vat.

Where you price that - what make etc.
Was half thinking about buying one through Tams myself

TooOldBoots

No I'll be renting the scales.
Ticked the two boxes this morning so I'm in.

Sligoronan

Did anybody register scales yet. I can seem to find how to do so on the ICBF site.

TooOldBoots

Priced a new scales, it comes in at €1450 Inc vat.

Hurling Hereford

Mac Taylor wrote: »

As above, €40 euro per calf, seems you can rent the scales for €50 euro.
Not sure on the number of weigh ins required. For me it would be ~800 euro, can’t say whether I’m interested or not

They can 'Beep' off with their Stupid Scheme

Buford T. Justice XIX

I'm thinking I'll let this one slide. I still haven't been paid the BDGP money, small as it is, so I've lost confidence that anyone actually gives a damn about their side of the agreement.

Limestone Cowboy

I'd doubt it. It's enough of a job here to round everything up for the herd test.

bogman_bass

The way I see it, i’m Getting to weigh my cattle for free. And get a few bob thrown in as an added bonus.
That’s good enough for me.

Dozer1

is there a reference year like the BDGP scheme, that frigged me right up as I'd low numbers the ref year so I actually keep double the cows I got paid for...