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Beep scheme - anyone joining

Mac Taylor

As above, €40 euro per calf, seems you can rent the scales for €50 euro.
Not sure on the number of weigh ins required. For me it would be ~800 euro, can’t say whether I’m interested or not

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tellmeabit

cant see if you are able to withdraw from the scheme?

patsy_mccabe

tanko wrote: »

Anyone in the BDGP scheme will get one in the post.
If not in the BDGP scheme you wont be sent one out and have to ring the department to get one.
Signing up on Agfood is probably the easiest way to apply.

Thanks. Lots of people not on Agfood though.

tanko

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Are these forms on line to print off or will they be sent out to farmers.

Anyone in the BDGP scheme will get one in the post.
If not in the BDGP scheme you wont be sent one out and have to ring the department to get one.
Signing up on Agfood is probably the easiest way to apply.

Parishlad

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Are these forms on line to print off or will they be sent out to farmers.

They should be sent out. I think we got one in the post last week.

Also: Apply online through Agfood or ring 076-1064420 for form before Feb. 22nd 2019.

patsy_mccabe

Are these forms on line to print off or will they be sent out to farmers.

tractorporn

larthehar wrote: »

It says a new website will be launched in March in the T&C's.. may hold out for another month!

Cows will have to be got in to weigh no doubt as the system won.t be ready before turnout..

Cheers I may cool the jets so

Track9

Dont forget , one needs post off or register online the Yellow Form .
Yellow form is registering of interest ( closing date is circa Feb 21 st )

larthehar

tractorporn wrote: »

Has anyone registered a scales yet? I had a quick look on ICBF and can't see anywhere to register?

It says a new website will be launched in March in the T&C's.. may hold out for another month!

Cows will have to be got in to weigh no doubt as the system won.t be ready before turnout..

tractorporn

Has anyone registered a scales yet? I had a quick look on ICBF and can't see anywhere to register?

Hard Knocks

therunaround wrote: »

Would a cattle scales with +/- 1kg acurracy like the one mentioned here be suitable for weighing lambs too? If it would do that job too I think I'd definitely go for it.

Yes it is & we do that here

therunaround

Would a cattle scales with +/- 1kg acurracy like the one mentioned here be suitable for weighing lambs too? If it would do that job too I think I'd definitely go for it.

Omallep2

Is this a scheme to get data that could be linked to carbon tax down the road? Heavier cows = more tax?

_Brian

Was talking to an ag consultant today and he says it’s basically a “shut up” payment.

It gives the govt a large overall figure they can roll out in speeches to say they supported the beef sector yet actually providing no meaningful help to the industry at all.

wiggy123

what is to it--re is it worthwhile..only have a handful of pb cows

Aravo

Parishlad wrote:

Yep, through Agfood. There is an option to select on left hand side for the scheme. Just need to select it and tick a box.

+1 done online

Parishlad

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Did anyone apply on-line yet Lads? If so, how?

Yep, through Agfood. There is an option to select on left hand side for the scheme. Just need to select it and tick a box.

patsy_mccabe

Did anyone apply on-line yet Lads? If so, how?

Limestone Cowboy

White Clover wrote: »

Which one do you think is the most important one to limestone cowboy? Or any farmer for that matter?

I think I made my point clear

White Clover

bogman_bass wrote: »

If you have the data you can figure out both

Which one do you think is the most important one to limestone cowboy? Or any farmer for that matter?

bogman_bass

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Efficient at producing kilos or Money?

If you have the data you can figure out both

TalkingBull

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

This is one of the things that peeves me about Icbf and I brought it up at one of those nights at the Mart where they had a speaker there. They already have a huge amount of this info from marts, weights and price per kilo and all the info we have filled in for the bdgp to correlate with it and I don't see what benefit weighing the cow brings to it. The heaviest weanling I sold last October was a February born black lim out of a 5 star Hereford cow 365kg-680. Grand straight calf but nothing fancy either. Sold 9 red lims out of lim cows at an average of 280kg-840. There is only one statistic there that matters.

your not allowed to talk about colour anymore

Limestone Cowboy

Efficient at producing kilos or Money?

blue5000

Weighing the cow is to find out how efficient she is. The higher the percentage weight the calf is of the cow's weight the more efficient the cow is at converting grass to calf, therefore the smaller her carbon footprint is.

patsy_mccabe

I think you have to read between the lines with this scheme. The dept know this has been a disastrous year for beef farmers. The can't just hand money to farmers. That day is gone so it has to come in under another guise. What better way than reducing barbon footprints. At the same time ICBF will collect the only bit of missing data they need - cow and weanling weights.

Limestone Cowboy

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Not with statistics, they'll know if you just put down any old info. They're not stupid. These weanlings will end up in the mart, where they are weighed and weights sent to ICBF. Your weights won't correlate right with the mart weights. Also if you use AI or have bulls of known breeding, all the odd stuff will show up aswell.
If they do spotchecks, you'll be first on the list.

This is one of the things that peeves me about Icbf and I brought it up at one of those nights at the Mart where they had a speaker there. They already have a huge amount of this info from marts, weights and price per kilo and all the info we have filled in for the bdgp to correlate with it and I don't see what benefit weighing the cow brings to it. The heaviest weanling I sold last October was a February born black lim out of a 5 star Hereford cow 365kg-680. Grand straight calf but nothing fancy either. Sold 9 red lims out of lim cows at an average of 280kg-840. There is only one statistic there that matters.

Limestone Cowboy

TooOldBoots wrote: »

Yeah and they did spot checks for the suckler welfare scheme did they?
I remember I was the only fool in the Mart with weaned and on meal stock. Every other Weanling there was bawling for the cow.
And since when is a mart scales or (factory scales) within calibration or spec?
Most farmers worth there salt can eyeball a Weanling weight to within 50kg.

You'd be a long way out at 50kg. Would normally be within 10-20kg with a weanling. Not that sharp around cows and heavier stock though.

croot

bogman_bass wrote: »

My memory is there was way less bawling during the scheme

Yes I agree.

It was much more noticeable when a pen of weanlings were bawling as a result.

charolais0153

bogman_bass wrote: »

My memory is there was way less bawling during the scheme

Yep it made a big improvement in my opinion.

bogman_bass

TooOldBoots wrote: »

Yeah and they did spot checks for the suckler welfare scheme did they?
I remember I was the only fool in the Mart with weaned and on meal stock. Every other Weanling there was bawling for the cow.
And since when is a mart scales or (factory scales) within calibration or spec?
Most farmers worth there salt can eyeball a Weanling weight to within 50kg.

My memory is there was way less bawling during the scheme

wiggy123

what is this system--worthwhile or not... payment €40 a calf-that right??