Trouble on Tory Island...

wexie · 11-02-2018 7:11pm

Bob_Marley wrote: »

It's your claim for you to prove. I don't presume they know nothing, and I certainly don't have to because you demand me to. More now than ever, I'll take their genuine concerns over your disdain for the Tory Islanders marine knowledge, experience in their own waters and your apparent regional hatred and bias.

Wow, I bet if you tried you could probably manage to get racism, transphobia, BlackLivesMatter and animal rights in there somewhere as well.

Yet you still wouldn't have mentioned a single reason this particular ship is inferior to the old one....

wexandproud · 11-02-2018 7:17pm

wexie wrote: »

Wow, I bet if you tried you could probably manage to get racism, transphobia, BlackLivesMatter and animal rights in there somewhere as well.

Yet you still wouldn't have mentioned a single reason this particular ship is inferior to the old one....

not even going to respond to him/her any more , the only one showing disdain is him/herself, he /she wont answer any question and is just twisting things way beyond what was said . Maybe their is some sort of involvment

Odelay · 11-02-2018 7:18pm

Bob_Marley wrote: »

You were the one that claimed the people living on Tory Island, nine miles off the coast in some of the roughest seas around Ireland are by comparison, unqualified know nothings when it comes to marine engineering and sea fairing.

It's your claim for you to prove. I don't presume they know nothing, and I certainly don't have to because you demand me to. More now than ever, I'll take their genuine concerns over your disdain for the Tory Islanders marine knowledge, experience in their own waters and your apparent regional hatred and bias.

No one has said anything of the sort. Where did anyone say that? Or is this just another "opinion" of yours based without a single fact?

Odelay · 11-02-2018 7:21pm

wexandproud wrote: »

not even going to respond to him/her any more , the only one showing disdain is him/herself, he /she wont answer any question and is just twisting things way beyond what was said . Maybe their is some sort of involvment

I'd have to agree. Bob can't provide a single fact and appears to justify his position by inventing distain.

Ajsoprano · 11-02-2018 7:22pm

Does the whole island population work off tourism?

Are a lot of people on welfare off season?

This has nothing to do with the boat I know but I’m interested in the population and what they do all day.

It seems to me that the local businessman tells everyone how to feel about the boat he lost the licence to run and if anybody has an opposing view their family won’t be working in his hotel, post office, pub, art shop or anything else.

This would explain when a person is shown the certificate of safety on a boat they will still say it’s unsafe.

When shown the boat is bigger they will still say it’s smaller.

They can march on Leinster house but will be ignored. With a bit of luck they will spend some money in the Dublin economy whilst here.

Might get on rte news if it’s a slow day but nobody will pay it any mind.

wexandproud · 11-02-2018 7:25pm

Odelay wrote: »

I'd have to agree. Bob can't provide a single fact and appears to justify his position by inventing distain.

ya . i wont sleep a wink tonight worrying about all the things he implied about me:D . it's a sure sign your loosing the discussion when you start making it personal

wexie · 11-02-2018 7:31pm

wexandproud wrote: »

not even going to respond to him/her any more , the only one showing disdain is him/herself, he /she wont answer any question and is just twisting things way beyond what was said . Maybe their is some sort of involvment

I'm going to save this thread and read it if I ever feel the urge to open a twitter account

Nomis21 · 11-02-2018 7:49pm

Ajsoprano wrote: »

Does the whole island population work off tourism?

Are a lot of people on welfare off season?

This has nothing to do with the boat I know but I’m interested in the population and what they do all day.

It seems to me that the local businessman tells everyone how to feel about the boat he lost the licence to run and if anybody has an opposing view their family won’t be working in his hotel, post office, pub, art shop or anything else.

This would explain when a person is shown the certificate of safety on a boat they will still say it’s unsafe.

When shown the boat is bigger they will still say it’s smaller.

They can march on Leinster house but will be ignored. With a bit of luck they will spend some money in the Dublin economy whilst here.

Might get on rte news if it’s a slow day but nobody will pay it any mind.

Most of the people I met on tory were born on the island but due to lack of work they spent most of their lives in UK and came back to retire on Tory, so yes they are on welfare as mostly they did poor paying manual work overseas at a time when there was little work even on the mainland in Ireland.. At their time of life they rely on good connections to Letterkenny hospital. Patsy dan himself was undergoing treatment for cancer for many years.

Practically the only tourism is accomodation at the hotel and a small hostel. Owners of both establishments live on the mainland most of the year and are not from Tory. The owner of the present ferry business also lives on the mainland and is not from Tory. There is a negligible income from tourism in any case as most people only go for a day trip and don't sleep on the island. There are no restaurants or cafes on the island. The hotel often gets business from day trippers who are not able to return to the mainland because a storm has set in and the return crossing is not possible that day. Sometimes traveling musicians also play at the club which can attract some limited tourism.

The Tory ferry cannot be compared to a bus service using an old bus which may break down on occasions. The ferry is a vital connection to the mainland often the difference between life and death for those in medical need and the concerns of the islanders are very relevant. It is their homeland and they are worried for their own safety, whether rightly or wrongly, by the use of such an old vessel.

wexie · 11-02-2018 7:59pm

Nomis21 wrote: »

The Tory ferry cannot be compared to a bus service using an old bus which may break down on occasions. The ferry is a vital connection to the mainland often the difference between life and death for those in medical need and the concerns of the islanders are very relevant. It is their homeland and they are worried for their own safety, whether rightly or wrongly, by the use of such an old vessel.

I don't think anybody is disputing this, more a case of trying to figure out what the actual concerns are and how well founded they are. As already pointed out the age of the vessel isn't necessarily in and of itself cause for concern.

Do you think the comparative lack of overnight tourism is because of a lack of facilities or have people tried to attract more visitors and failed? Seems to me it would be a fabulous spot for things such as art classes, retreats, maybe even camping etc.

wexandproud · 11-02-2018 8:21pm

wexie wrote: »

I don't think anybody is disputing this, more a case of trying to figure out what the actual concerns are and how well founded they are. As already pointed out the age of the vessel isn't necessarily in and of itself cause for concern.

Do you think the comparative lack of overnight tourism is because of a lack of facilities or have people tried to attract more visitors and failed? Seems to me it would be a fabulous spot for things such as art classes, retreats, maybe even camping etc.

you often see advertisement for other islands down the west coast but i have never seen tory advertised as a tourist destination and from the photo's further up the thread id say its beautiful . are they actually geared for or indeed do they want large scale tourism . Maybe they are happy enough the way they are i wonder if it was taken in as sort of the northern end of the wild atlantic way would it boost the numbers up there if they wanted it

donegaLroad · 11-02-2018 10:25pm

wexandproud wrote: »

you often see advertisement for other islands down the west coast but i have never seen tory advertised as a tourist destination and from the photo's further up the thread id say its beautiful . are they actually geared for or indeed do they want large scale tourism . Maybe they are happy enough the way they are i wonder if it was taken in as sort of the northern end of the wild atlantic way would it boost the numbers up there if they wanted it

The Wild Atlantic way has certainly made a difference, but they are not geared for large scale tourism yet. Id would say there would need to be more accommodation available on the island. You could easily fill another hotel there with visitors. Many people just go for the day.

Nomis21 · 12-02-2018 12:20am

My opinion is that although they are friendly and engage with visitors who do venture out to Tory, the population is not interested in expanding tourism to the island. There is no tourism facilities at all either owned or operated by local people.

There is a small community of artists from different parts who have at different times spent time on the island, and their work can be seen exhibited on the walls of the hotel, but the islanders do not want permanent residents coming to live on the island from outside. Even holiday homes are not welcome. One was destroyed by islanders and another had its sea view totally blocked by the building of the noisy generator which supplies the islands electricity.

That is what I like about Tory. The island and the islanders only want to preserve the life and culture that they have now, not to transform the island into a tourist destination. It has the feeling of an Ireland of the past with almost no traffic or pollution. This needs to be preserved.

The islanders concerns need to be addressed about their lifeline to the outside World. They are concerned that decisions about their welfare are being decided without their representation and that's why they will be at Leinster House on Wednesday. I will be joining them there.

Nomis21 · 12-02-2018 12:41am

donegaLroad wrote: »

The Wild Atlantic way has certainly made a difference, but they are not geared for large scale tourism yet. Id would say there would need to be more accommodation available on the island. You could easily fill another hotel there with visitors. Many people just go for the day.

Perhaps an extra hotel could be filled in July and August but while I was there in April and May during the week, I had the whole hotel completely to myself and a double ensuite room with Irish breakfast for 20 Euro a night. The hotel is actually closed for 7 months of the year.

Whoarewe · 12-02-2018 2:01am

Do the people living in Dublin and all the other major cities in Ireland pay for the buses and the luas in Dublin?
I know you have to pay the fare. But do the people living in major cities pay for the servicing and maintenance? The fuel costs? The insurance costs etc?

donegaLroad · 12-02-2018 2:12am

Nomis21 wrote: »

Perhaps an extra hotel could be filled in July and August but while I was there in April and May during the week, I had the whole hotel completely to myself and a double ensuite room with Irish breakfast for 20 Euro a night. The hotel is actually closed for 7 months of the year.

yep, on season they would fill an extra hotel. I was there last April and stayed in the hostel because the hotel wasn't opening until the following week.

The hostel is €25 per night. You get your own en suite room, it is a house with 5 bedrooms and a common living room / kitchen.

The island had 70k visitors 2 years ago. They are expecting that number to increase this year because of the Wild Atlantic Way.

Cookie_Monster · 12-02-2018 3:14am

Whoarewe wrote: »

Do the people living in Dublin and all the other major cities in Ireland pay for the buses and the luas in Dublin?
I know you have to pay the fare. But do the people living in major cities pay for the servicing and maintenance? The fuel costs? The insurance costs etc?

yep either through direct fares or taxation spend, and subsidise less densely populated areas as well, through both general taxation and the household charge re-distribution.

Nomis21 · 12-02-2018 8:52am

donegaLroad wrote: »

yep, on season they would fill an extra hotel. I was there last April and stayed in the hostel because the hotel wasn't opening until the following week.

The hostel is €25 per night. You get your own en suite room, it is a house with 5 bedrooms and a common living room / kitchen.

The island had 70k visitors 2 years ago. They are expecting that number to increase this year because of the Wild Atlantic Way.

Not sure DonegalLroad who is compiling those figures but even in the height of the season the ferry was barely carrying 500 passengers per week and many of those passengers were islanders. The figure is about 20k and even that would be stretching it a bit.

The wild Atlantic way has been around for a good few years now but a good boost to the tourist numbers would be helped if there was a public transport connection to the ferry port from Letterkenny, as at the moment one needs a car or take a taxi from Gortahork which is not always available.

PRidley · 12-02-2018 9:05am

Nomis21 wrote: »

Even holiday homes are not welcome. One was destroyed by islanders and another had its sea view totally blocked by the building of the noisy generator which supplies the islands electricity.

It has the feeling of an Ireland of the past with almost no traffic or pollution.

Hardly the type of place one would want to go if the islanders are so militant!

I don’t imagine the islanders built the generator building - surely it would have been built by the ESB. I can’t imagine that they would have built it to deliberately block the view of an unwelcome holiday home owner!

From my limited knowledge of the island there are lots of cars - the vast majority of the ones I saw were untaxed, uninsured and appeared to have questionable roadworthiness.

donegaLroad · 12-02-2018 9:06am

Nomis21 wrote: »

Not sure DonegalLroad who is compiling those figures but even in the height of the season the ferry was barely carrying 500 passengers per week and many of those passengers were islanders. The figure is about 20k and even that would be stretching it a bit.

The wild Atlantic way has been around for a good few years now but a good boost to the tourist numbers would be helped if there was a public transport connection to the ferry port from Letterkenny, as at the moment one needs a car or take a taxi from Gortahork which is not always available.

You are right, in fact I was going to delete that post because I had realised the ferries couldnt hold that capacity. I heard that figure from an islander two years ago when he told me ho busy he was.

whisky_galore · 12-02-2018 9:28am

PRidley wrote: »

From my limited knowledge of the island there are lots of cars - the vast majority of the ones I saw were untaxed, uninsured and appeared to have questionable roadworthiness.

They are exempt from the NCT.

The exemption includes cars "permanently based on islands not connected to the mainland by road or roll-on-roll-off ferry".

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/many-island-motorists-to-be-exempt-from-car-test-1.264513

PRidley · 12-02-2018 9:32am

Nomis21 wrote: »

Not sure DonegalLroad who is compiling those figures but even in the height of the season the ferry was barely carrying 500 passengers per week and many of those passengers were islanders. The figure is about 20k and even that would be stretching it a bit.

The wild Atlantic way has been around for a good few years now but a good boost to the tourist numbers would be helped if there was a public transport connection to the ferry port from Letterkenny, as at the moment one needs a car or take a taxi from Gortahork which is not always available.

According to information published in the ferry tender by the Culture Department the number of non-islanders going to the island is much less than that. It is only slightly more than 6,000. That number includes people going to the island on business so the number of tourists might only be 5000.

I don’t know if anyone took the time to look at the current ferry website. It is complicated and confusing and does little to promote tourism to the island.

PRidley · 12-02-2018 9:34am

whisky_galore wrote: »

They are exempt from the NCT.

The exemption includes cars "permanently based on islands not connected to the mainland by road or roll-on-roll-off ferry".

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/many-island-motorists-to-be-exempt-from-car-test-1.264513

Thanks. I didn’t know that.

Are they also exempt from tax and insurance?

ohnonotgmail · 12-02-2018 10:41am

PRidley wrote: »

Thanks. I didn’t know that.

Are they also exempt from tax and insurance?

No. Island vehicles pay a reduced motor tax rate of €102 a year.

PRidley · 12-02-2018 10:53am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

No. Island vehicles pay a reduced motor tax rate of €102 a year.

Did you mean “Island vehicles should pay a reduced motor tax ..”??!!!

I was shocked by the lack of insurance discs on vehicles I saw on Tory. I imagine it would be tough on a visiting pedestrian injured by such a vehicle to get compensation. Wonder if the guards ever go there.?

ohnonotgmail · 12-02-2018 10:59am

PRidley wrote: »

Did you mean “Island vehicles should pay a reduced motor tax ..”??!!!

I was shocked by the lack of insurance discs on vehicles I saw on Tory. I imagine it would be tough on a visiting pedestrian injured by such a vehicle to get compensation. Wonder if the guards ever go there.?

I would have thought that was implied.

whisky_galore · 12-02-2018 11:07am

PRidley wrote: »

I was shocked by the lack of insurance discs on vehicles I saw on Tory. I imagine it would be tough on a visiting pedestrian injured by such a vehicle to get compensation. Wonder if the guards ever go there.?

Like most things here, probably nod-and-wink, 'don't ask-don't tell'...

The Bere Islanders used fcuk old cars into the sea when they were done with them.

Nomis21 · 12-02-2018 11:18am

The guards go to the island when asked but also have regular surgeries to sign documentation.

PRidley · 12-02-2018 11:36am

Nomis21 wrote: »

The guards go to the island when asked but also have regular surgeries to sign documentation.

They must turn a blind eye to tax and more importantly insurance if that is the case. Wouldn’t it be great if we could get them to do the same on the mainland.

nihicib2 · 12-02-2018 11:37am

From reading the Islanders posts on other forums, their concern about the new ferry is that the draught of the queen of arran is bigger... which means that in low tides that she won’t even get into Magheroarty pier which is where the service is based, along with Bunbeg harbour.

Low tides will occur for 4 days every fortnight which alone will mean that in every month there will be at least 8 days when this boat won’t make it into Magheroarty pier which means 8 days of no ferry service for Tory Island and that’s not even mentioning weather restrictions, this is according to one of the Islanders.

In the early days of the Tormór's service people had to get a small boat out to the ferry as she wasn't able to dock at the pier on certain days, the pier has been dredged many times and the concerns of the Islanders is that the new ferry will not be able to serve them in the same manner as the Tormór has.

Also, the Tory channel, especially in winter can make for a very rough crossing, I've been through it many times and even in August, on the Tormór, its been pretty rough, the islanders are concerned that the height of the new ferry will make it more unstable on the crossing.

It is not about wanting a purpose built ferry, although that would be welcomed of course, the Tormór was purpose built in the 1990's, its about safety and having a reliable service to get to Tory and back.

These are the concerns I am hearing from the islanders, I live nearby in Gweedore and Tory is a beautiful, remote Island, it is an island with a rich culture and heritage, the people are only looking for something that is safe and reliable to get them there and back, this is not too much to ask!

Its all to easy for some people to call for the islanders to move to the Tír mór as they call it, or the mainland, ultimately this is part of a wider debate about the slow death of rural life, I see it here where I live, banks, post offices etc. closing. The government want us all to live in big towns but some of us love where we live and will fight to continue to live here and in places like Tory. It is their right to live there and to expect a safe and reliable passage to the island and back. Would you want anything less for your own family?

Ubbquittious · 12-02-2018 11:47am

PRidley wrote: »

Did you mean “Island vehicles should pay a reduced motor tax ..”??!!!

I was shocked by the lack of insurance discs on vehicles I saw on Tory. I imagine it would be tough on a visiting pedestrian injured by such a vehicle to get compensation. Wonder if the guards ever go there.?

It would be tough for a visiting pedestrian to get injured since there is only one tiny road full of potholes to drive down really slowly.

PRidley · 12-02-2018 11:52am

nihicib2 wrote: »

From reading the Islanders posts on other forums, their concern about the new ferry is that the draught of the queen of arran is bigger... which means that in low tides that she won’t even get into Magheroarty pier which is where the service is based, along with Bunbeg harbour.

Low tides will occur for 4 days every fortnight which alone will mean that in every month there will be at least 8 days when this boat won’t make it into Magheroarty pier which means 8 days of no ferry service for Tory Island and that’s not even mentioning weather restrictions, this is according to one of the Islanders.

In the early days of the Tormór's service people had to get a small boat out to the ferry as she wasn't able to dock at the pier on certain days, the pier has been dredged many times and the concerns of the Islanders is that the new ferry will not be able to serve them in the same manner as the Tormór has.

Also, the Tory channel, especially in winter can make for a very rough crossing, I've been through it many times and even in August, on the Tormór, its been pretty rough, the islanders are concerned that the height of the new ferry will make it more unstable on the crossing.

It is not about wanting a purpose built ferry, although that would be welcomed of course, the Tormór was purpose built in the 1990's, its about safety and having a reliable service to get to Tory and back.

These are the concerns I am hearing from the islanders, I live nearby in Gweedore and Tory is a beautiful, remote Island, it is an island with a rich culture and heritage, the people are only looking for something that is safe and reliable to get them there and back, this is not too much to ask!

Its all to easy for some people to call for the islanders to move to the Tír mór as they call it, or the mainland, ultimately this is part of a wider debate about the slow death of rural life, I see it here where I live, banks, post offices etc. closing. The government want us all to live in big towns but some of us love where we live and will fight to continue to live here and in places like Tory. It is their right to live there and to expect a safe and reliable passage to the island and back. Would you want anything less for your own family?

What is the difference in the drought between the boats?

Is it right to say that the boat won’t make it to magherarty pier 8 days per month because of tides? Won’t the water level rise after low tide. Why can the sailing time not be adjusted to suit th time when tides will be higher? It should only make a half hour difference time wise.

What is the design features of the current ferry that makes her purpose built for this route?

Do you really think this whole thing is being done to get the islanders to move to the main land? On the basis of the amount of money being spent there annually - and on Ireland’s islands generally - I don’t think that argument holds any water.

PRidley · 12-02-2018 11:56am

Ubbquittious wrote: »

It would be tough for a visiting pedestrian to get injured since there is only one tiny road full of potholes to drive down really slowly.

When were you there last?
Most of the roads have a tarmac surface which was done in the past few years. It is better than many on the mainland. From my limited experience people drive very fast for the road conditions and the apparent state of their vehicles.

nihicib2 · 12-02-2018 12:33pm

PRidley wrote: »

What is the difference in the drought between the boats?

Is it right to say that the boat won’t make it to magherarty pier 8 days per month because of tides? Won’t the water level rise after low tide. Why can the sailing time not be adjusted to suit th time when tides will be higher? It should only make a half hour difference time wise.

What is the design features of the current ferry that makes her purpose built for this route?

Do you really think this whole thing is being done to get the islanders to move to the main land? On the basis of the amount of money being spent there annually - and on Ireland’s islands generally - I don’t think that argument holds any water.

I am only putting forward the concerns that the islanders have made, I am not an islander and therefore you would need to put your questions to them, I have no idea of the technicalities of the design features of the boats, these are the points made by those living on Tory and Im assuming they have made their own research into the new ferry.

I am not making any argument that 'this whole thing is being done to get the islanders to move to the main land', people on this thread have asked why Tory wasn't evacuated like the Blaskets, that it would save the taxpayers money if the people left the island, thats what I was referring to, not that this is some great conspiracy to get them to leave, but it is part of a wider debate about rural Ireland.

I hope the islanders get a boat that suits their needs.

Sleepy · 12-02-2018 2:46pm

The sense of entitlement of people never fails to amaze me. Whether they're lifelong welfare bums expecting to be housed in leafy suburbs of Dublin or small communities of rural dwellers who expect the taxpayer to fund their lifestyle.

The government shouldn't be subsidising this ferry service at alll. If it can't be sustained by the islanders and the tourists they can attract, they should either relocate or do without.

I'm not against progressive taxation or investing taxpayers money into socially deprived areas with the hope of turning them around over the long term but this insistence that we should keep funding parasites who have no intention to ever pay their way in life is infuriating.

Meanaspie · 12-02-2018 3:16pm

PRidley wrote: »

Is it right to say that the boat won’t make it to magherarty pier 8 days per month because of tides? Won’t the water level rise after low tide. Why can the sailing time not be adjusted to suit th time when tides will be higher? It should only make a half hour difference time wise.

Tidal ranges (the difference between low and high tide) change everyday. On neap tides (1/4 or 3/4 moon) the tidal range will be very low and even at high tide there may not be enough water to get to port. The sea level is actually quite shallow from the mainland until you get passed Inisbofin. I've struggled to take a diving rib in it in the past.

Widdensushi · 12-02-2018 3:29pm

Meanaspie wrote: »

Tidal ranges (the difference between low and high tide) change everyday. On neap tides (1/4 or 3/4 moon) the tidal range will be very low and even at high tide there may not be enough water to get to port. The sea level is actually quite shallow from the mainland until you get passed Inisbofin. I've struggled to take a diving rib in it in the past.

Why go to the media etc and say the boat was too old if the issue is with how much water it is drawing?

Meanaspie · 12-02-2018 3:30pm

Widdensushi wrote: »

Why go to the media etc and say the boat was too old if the issue is with how much water it is drawing?

I have no idea, only giving my input on the part that I have knowledge of

Whoarewe · 12-02-2018 4:26pm

PRidley wrote: »

Did you mean “Island vehicles should pay a reduced motor tax ..”??!!!

I was shocked by the lack of insurance discs on vehicles I saw on Tory. I imagine it would be tough on a visiting pedestrian injured by such a vehicle to get compensation. Wonder if the guards ever go there.?

People on Tory have vehicles taxed, insured and nct’d.. they are on the mainland, because they don’t have a roll on roll off daily service. How on earth would you expect those people to be able to insure tax and nct 2 cars? People in this country can’t even pay for one car never mind 2. This thread is going off the point completely

ohnonotgmail · 12-02-2018 4:41pm

Whoarewe wrote: »

People on Tory have vehicles taxed, insured and nct’d.. they are on the mainland, because they don’t have a roll on roll off daily service. How on earth would you expect those people to be able to insure tax and nct 2 cars? People in this country can’t even pay for one car never mind 2. This thread is going off the point completely

any island vehicles are also required to be taxed (albeit at a reduced rate) and insured.

Whoarewe · 12-02-2018 4:54pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

any island vehicles are also required to be taxed (albeit at a reduced rate) and insured.

When they get a proper roll on roll off service and fix all the roads, not just do half here and half there, need proper drainage too. then they definitely should pay everything on their vehicles. Tax, insurance and nct. I don’t disagree with that.

ohnonotgmail · 12-02-2018 4:58pm

Whoarewe wrote: »

When they get a proper roll on roll off service and fix all the roads, not just do half here and half there, need proper drainage too. then they definitely should pay everything on their vehicles. Tax, insurance and nct. I don’t disagree with that.

They already get a subsidised ferry service.

somefeen · 12-02-2018 5:00pm

Still sounds like nonsense to me.

What they should asking for is to dredge the pier so boats with a greater draught can get in. Seeing as they are so concerned about stability it kinda seems disengenius to complain that this new boat is marginally taller but significantly deeper?

donegaLroad · 12-02-2018 5:09pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

any island vehicles are also required to be taxed (albeit at a reduced rate) and insured.

You need to go out there and experience a day or two on the island. I wouldn't like to be the guard who is trying to enforce compliance with road tax and insurance. There are 2 roads on the island, one central road which connects two clusters of houses.

Whoarewe · 12-02-2018 5:28pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

They already get a subsidised ferry service.

That people here on this forum are saying they shouldn’t have?

ohnonotgmail · 12-02-2018 5:30pm

Whoarewe wrote: »

That people here on this forum are saying they shouldn’t have?

well go argue with them then

ohnonotgmail · 12-02-2018 5:31pm

donegaLroad wrote: »

You need to go out there and experience a day or two on the island. I wouldn't like to be the guard who is trying to enforce compliance with road tax and insurance. There are 2 roads on the island, one central road which connects two clusters of houses.

whatever the practicalities they are still required to be taxed and insured.

schemingbohemia · 12-02-2018 5:37pm

nihicib2 wrote: »

I hope the islanders get a boat that suits their needs.

They did.

donegaLroad · 12-02-2018 5:39pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

whatever the practicalities they are still required to be taxed and insured.

Sure

Whoarewe · 12-02-2018 6:32pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well go argue with them then

I’m not gonna be arguing with anyone. I’m only saying what’s true. This thread is full of lies. I just wish that people would get the full story from start to finish before jumping on the people of Tory the way they are on this thread. It’s awful to see people from our own country be little The people on Tory Island. That’s exactly what’s going on here. The government made mistakes right left and centre.. not the Tory islanders, why should they suffer because of the governments mistakes. All they want is the right to a safe up to date service for themselves and the tourist that actually make the 9 mile trip to the island. It’s not a massive ask. No word on all the other places in Ireland getting subsidies. I mean on mainland Ireland!!!

Whoarewe · 12-02-2018 6:32pm

I’m not gonna be arguing with anyone. I’m only saying what’s true. This thread is full of lies. I just wish that people would get the full story from start to finish before jumping on the people of Tory the way they are on this thread. It’s awful to see people from our own country be little The people on Tory Island. That’s exactly what’s going on here. The government made mistakes right left and centre.. not the Tory islanders, why should they suffer because of the governments mistakes. All they want is the right to a safe up to date service for themselves and the tourist that actually make the 9 mile trip to the island. It’s not a massive ask. No word on all the other places in Ireland getting subsidies. I mean on mainland Ireland!!!

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