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Judgement day for Maria Bailey.

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    #242
    James Brown
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    'All for the want of a horseshoe nail...'

    Fine Gael's arrogance, their comeuppance once again. All Leo had to do....


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    #243
    tayto lover
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    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Fine Gael set to take TD Maria Bailey off general election ticket

    Just waiting now on the one time stalwart hardcore "Maria Bailey is exonerated" fans to now become turncoat "Maria Bailey's worse than Hitler" crew once she's pissing outside the tent.

    The next few weeks will be interesting.

    It couldn’t have gone any other way.
    Lose / lose for them.
    This way is damage limitation as they have finally dealt with the issue.
    Better late than never thinking.


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    #244
    James Brown
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    It couldn’t have gone any other way.
    Lose / lose for them.
    This way is damage limitation as they have finally dealt with the issue.
    Better late than never thinking.

    Too late long ago. Now it's like their hand was forced by their own. No better late than never in this scenario.


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    #245
    McMurphy
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    It couldn’t have gone any other way.
    Lose / lose for them.
    This way is damage limitation as they have finally dealt with the issue.
    Better late than never thinking.

    Damage limitation wha:confused:

    Leo tried to bury this story and hoped it would go away, first by the report, then by saying the report (which no one was allowed to see) exonerated her, on the same day BoJo was making headline news.

    "She's been punished enough" said the law and order keepers - we will be slapping her wrist by a token demotion.

    Leo didn't have the balls to deal with it in the beginning, nor as time went on, even if she is gone , she'll not be gone due to the leadership within FG, she's gonna be off the ticket due to the grassroot local members who have forced their hand.

    Still lose lose though, for all we know this is only the beginning of the real messy bit, bailey and Madigan in an MTV celebrity death match video would be brilliant fun altogether.


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    #246
    Snow Garden
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    It couldn’t have gone any other way.
    Lose / lose for them.
    This way is damage limitation as they have finally dealt with the issue.
    Better late than never thinking.

    Besides Bailey and Farrell, the person most damaged by this is Leo. His leadership looks extremely weak now. Coveney pulled a stroke by ensuring Bailey did not lose the whip. I don't think that was Coveney being clever but it will work out in his favour in the long run even though Leo is the more capable politician.


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    #247
    BattleCorp
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    I wonder will it be Senator Maria Bailey??? Watch this space.


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    #248
    mikemac2
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    Almost certainly yes she will be headed there


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    #249
    astrofool
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    Is anyone defending her? This was always how this was going to play out, the numbers in the Dáil are too tight to lose another TD, wait for things to go quiet, let her be deselected by "the party" and then resolve it as solved without putting too many peoples noses out of joint. I posted exactly that on the previous thread: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110769169&postcount=6906

    Hopefully it's just "max outrage on the internet" that leads people to expect dramatics, the reality of politics is very different :)


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    #250
    Snow Garden
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I wonder will it be Senator Maria Bailey??? Watch this space.

    Yes she will be rewarded by Fine Gael for a bona fides insurance claim and dodgy expense claims with a seat in the yet unreformed Seanad.

    I see her future political career mirroring that of Fidelma Healy Eames, another quality FG politician who liked free money at taxpayer expense.


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    #251
    riemann
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    mikemac2 wrote: »
    Almost certainly yes she will beheaded

    fixed that error


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    #252
    tayto lover
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I wonder will it be Senator Maria Bailey??? Watch this space.

    I don’t think Leo will get away with rewarding what many voters would consider to be bad or even criminal behavior.
    Can’t see him sticking his neck out again by trying that.
    Hari Kari Leo if he tries.


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    #253
    James Brown
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    astrofool wrote: »
    ...

    Hopefully it's just "max outrage on the internet" that leads people to expect dramatics, the reality of politics is very different :)

    Are you familiar with the story at all? There was obviously some discontentment off the internet.
    Why 'hopefully'? The public outcry at Fine Gael arrogance and self entitlement a bad thing?


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    #254
    astrofool
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Are you familiar with the story at all? There was obviously some discontentment off the internet.
    Why 'hopefully'? The public outcry at Fine Gael arrogance and self entitlement a bad thing?

    Because it's politics and politicians have done many times worse and survived, it's a great sign that she's likely being deselected (and how it's being done is very politically astute), but this thread just screams faux outrage at every turn, or massive naiveté.

    I hope people realise that the calls for her head at the time this came out, followed by a government collapse, would have been installing Micheál Martin, ex-very failed health minister and overseer of the crash, as the Taoiseach.


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    #255
    James Brown
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    astrofool wrote: »
    Because it's politics and politicians have done many times worse and survived, it's a great sign that she's likely being deselected (and how it's being done is very politically astute), but this thread just screams faux outrage at every turn, or massive naiveté.

    Well rest assure it's not faux at all. We aren't wasting internet ink ;)

    It's important you know the credibility and ethics of those in office.
    Can you point to any naivety? All there is is people commenting on the PR balls up and expecting Maria to get a senate seat or some such.

    Astute? Varadkar and Fine Gael are too arrogant. This affair pretty much sums it up.

    A sub par attempt from the sub bench at 'move along, nothing to see here'.


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    #256
    _Kaiser_
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    astrofool wrote: »
    I hope people realise that the calls for her head at the time this came out, followed by a government collapse, would have been installing Micheál Martin, ex-very failed health minister and overseer of the crash, as the Taoiseach.

    And FG, despite nearly a decade in power have presided over a massive housing and rental crisis, healthcare crisis, scandal after scandal, waste and incompetence.

    :rolleyes:

    There's a reason why FF are always re-elected and have historically been the main party in the country... because FG (who are only ever elected as a protest vote) remind us that they're actually worse!

    FF (inevitably) being reinstalled isn't the fault of the "people calling for her head/government collapse" - the responsibility for that can be squarely laid at FG's doorstep.


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    #257
    jmreire
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    astrofool wrote: »
    Because it's politics and politicians have done many times worse and survived, it's a great sign that she's likely being deselected (and how it's being done is very politically astute), but this thread just screams faux outrage at every turn, or massive naiveté.

    I hope people realise that the calls for her head at the time this came out, followed by a government collapse, would have been installing Micheál Martin, ex-very failed health minister and overseer of the crash, as the Taoiseach.

    Quote:- "Because it's politics and politicians have done many times worse and survived," Unquote.
    That's all the more reason to call them out when they do thing's like this. If it happens often enough , then maybe we will start to get a better, more honest type of politician. Moral's and honesty seem to be in very short supply in Irish Politician's...Say what you like about the British Government, but when they get caught out in "dubious" business, they either resign, or get fired,and it's not unknown for them to see the inside of a prison.


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    #258
    pablo128
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    astrofool wrote: »
    Because it's politics and politicians have done many times worse and survived, it's a great sign that she's likely being deselected (and how it's being done is very politically astute), but this thread just screams faux outrage at every turn, or massive naiveté.

    I hope people realise that the calls for her head at the time this came out, followed by a government collapse, would have been installing Micheál Martin, ex-very failed health minister and overseer of the crash, as the Taoiseach.

    Leo is a failed health minister too. And he a doctor and all.


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    #259
    high_king
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    pablo128 wrote: »
    Leo is a failed health minister too. And he a doctor and all.

    I'm no Leo fan, but all health ministers in Ireland in this generation have been a failure.


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    #260
    high_king
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    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    And FG, despite nearly a decade in power have presided over a massive housing and rental crisis, healthcare crisis, scandal after scandal, waste and incompetence.

    :rolleyes:

    There's a reason why FF are always re-elected and have historically been the main party in the country... because FG (who are only ever elected as a protest vote) remind us that they're actually worse!

    FF (inevitably) being reinstalled isn't the fault of the "people calling for her head/government collapse" - the responsibility for that can be squarely laid at FG's doorstep.

    None of the political parties in Ireland are to be trusted, and FG are one of the worst, but FF are the worst by far.
    FG's are amateurs at corruption. FF kers don't mess about with petty personal injury claims, they go for millions.
    It's actually a sign of how incompetent and petty she is.
    Like a petty wanna be low life criminal versus one who has at least the brains and ability to scalp the big money.


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    #261
    pablo128
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    high_king wrote: »
    I'm no Leo fan, but all health ministers in Ireland in this generation have been a failure.

    On a good note, I got a call today from the hospital. They can fit me in next week for my hernia operation. 3 and a half years on the waiting list. Not bad.


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    #262
    high_king
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    pablo128 wrote: »
    On a good note, I got a call today from the hospital. They can fit me in next week for my hernia operation. 3 and a half years on the waiting list. Not bad.

    Best of luck, hope you don't have to go trolly surfing.


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    #263
    TimHorton
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    TimHorton wrote: »
    She will pull out and the compensation is a term in the Seanad , Its the FG way..
    An absolute shoe in and I called it 2 weeks ago...


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    #264
    suicide_circus
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    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    healthcare crisis, scandal after scandal
    In fairness, i cannot remember a time when healthcare was not in crisis.


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    #265
    marieholmfan
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    high_king wrote: »
    I'm no Leo fan, but all health ministers in Ireland in this generation have been a failure.
    Harris is doing a good job!


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    #266
    Boggles
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    pablo128 wrote: »
    On a good note, I got a call today from the hospital. They can fit me in next week for my hernia operation. 3 and a half years on the waiting list. Not bad.

    You'll get a call Monday saying it is cancelled.


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    #267
    McMurphy
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    marieholmfan wrote: »
    Harris is doing a good job!

    Can you please give a detailed analysis as to how you arrived at this conclusion?


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    #268
    lawred2
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    high_king wrote: »
    I'm no Leo fan, but all health ministers in Ireland in this generation have been a failure.

    was there a golden generation where the health service was concerned? :confused:


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    #269
    ahnowbrowncow
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    marieholmfan wrote: »
    Harris is doing a good job!

    He has the largest Health budget at his disposal and yet services are declining, waiting lists and people on trolleys are increasing and this is despite more people than ever having private health insurance.

    That's terrible top level management, and this is before considering the numerous health scandals during his tenure.

    You must have very low standards.


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    #270
    lawred2
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    ahnowbrowncow wrote: »
    He has the largest Health budget at his disposal and yet services are declining, waiting lists and people on trolleys are increasing and this is despite more people than ever having private health insurance.

    That's terrible top level management, and this is before considering the numerous health scandals during his tenure.

    You must have very low standards.

    it's not really at his 'disposal' - that's a ridiculous thing to say

    The HSE burns through the budget every year and then some - what's increasing is the cost of the HSE - Simon Harris isn't allocating extra funds to solve problems or improve a whole lot - he's being bound by the monster that the HSE is into allocating extra funds just to keep the doors open


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    #271
    lawred2
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    It's incredible that Michael Martin is still a figure in Irish politics... his legacy (the HSE) should have been more than enough to bury any politician forever


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