Is America treating the UK like a colony?

kingchess · 05-06-2019 11:16pm

janfebmar wrote: »

Accidents can happen. That is why the Norwegians, and the British, and the French, shadow them in their own military aircraft with their transponders turned on, unlike the Russians.

What were the Russian doing flying off the coast of Galway do you think? Trying to pick up radio na Gaeltacht?

You reckon they were playing Russian roulette?,and praying that aer lingus might put them out of their misery, I reckon they were testing the responses of the Norwegians,and the British and the French,A bit like Gary Power and the U-2 spy plane that was flying over Russia in 1960 and the Russians shot down,
I suppose if the sauce is good enough for the goose it should be good enough for the gander.

FrancieBrady · 05-06-2019 11:20pm

janfebmar wrote: »

The British pilots were nowhere near Galway city. Much more likely was a pair of high speed Russian military aircraft with transponders turned off interfering with civilian aircraft off our coasts.

You do know that another FF minister demanded to know why neither the Russians nor the British informed Irish aviation authorities that they were in Irish controlled airspace, both posing a threat to civilian aircraft as a result?

Timmy Dooley wrote:

The Russian and British unauthorized entry into Irish airspace had posed a threat, not only to Irish air passengers but to thousands of people flying from Europe to the United States. ''These maneuvers,” he said, “were not sanctioned by the Irish Aviation Authority and had put Irish air traffic controllers in the invidious position of not being able to carry out their duties effectively. This should not be tolerated.”

05-06-2019 11:22pm

Aegir wrote: »

so you are saying that Ireland does need air defence?

If so, then why does it hide behind the UK?

It's always so ineffably heartening to see Boards' most staunch defenders of the Realm concerned about Ireland's defence - now against the big, bad Russians. At other times, such as in 1601, we were expected to be grateful to the English for "defending" us from the Spaniards and at still other times, such as the 1790s, we were expected to be grateful for England defending us from those evil revolutionary French and their crazy ideas arriving in Ireland. Such genuine English concern for us, not for themselves of course.
As for this "Support Britain or the Russians will come for you", it all sounds very familiar so here's a modern twist on the Irish response to that plea for our loyalty to England: 'We serve neither Putin nor Brexit, but Ireland'.

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Fan of Netflix · 05-06-2019 11:28pm

Quite amazing how the resident loyalists, Rangers fans and Brit army cheerleaders are so quick into these threads.

janfebmar · 05-06-2019 11:40pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You do know that another FF minister demanded to know why neither the Russians nor the British informed Irish aviation authorities that they were in Irish controlled airspace, both posing a threat to civilian aircraft as a result?

From the same FF government who asked the UK to defend Ireland from 9/11 type attacks? The British planes were scrambled to intercept planes without transponders. The UK planes had transponders so civilian aircraft were aware of their presence.

Anyway, back to something closer to the subject of the thread, would you agree with the US President when he called the US-UK "special relationship" the "greatest alliance the world has ever known"? If not, what alliance do you think was greater in world history?

05-06-2019 11:52pm

janfebmar wrote: »

would you agree with the US President when he called the US-UK "special relationship" the "greatest alliance the world has ever known"? If not, what alliance do you think was greater in world history?

The British-Nazi Germany one was fairly strong back in 1935 whem both countries signed the Anglo-German Naval Agreement, in fairness (never mind those Nuremberg Laws being passed in the same year or that the French and Stresa Front were undermined by the British signing this - the British economy needed the business!)

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 05-06-2019 11:52pm

janfebmar wrote: »

From the same FF government who asked the UK to defend Ireland from 9/11 type attacks? The British planes were scrambled to intercept planes without transponders. The UK planes had transponders so civilian aircraft were aware of their presence.

Anyway, back to something closer to the subject of the thread, would you agree with the US President when he called the US-UK "special relationship" the "greatest alliance the world has ever known"? If not, what alliance do you think was greater in world history?

There’s no special alliance. Ask people in the US and they would have no clue. If you told them it was a foreign relationship they’d assume us/Israel.

FrancieBrady · 05-06-2019 11:54pm

janfebmar wrote: »

From the same FF government who asked the UK to defend Ireland from 9/11 type attacks? The British planes were scrambled to intercept planes without transponders. The UK planes had transponders so civilian aircraft were aware of their presence.

Anyway, back to something closer to the subject of the thread, would you agree with the US President when he called the US-UK "special relationship" the "greatest alliance the world has ever known"? If not, what alliance do you think was greater in world history?

The subject is 'Is America treating the UK like a colony?', I think that it is quite evident for some time that Britain is America's colony in Europe. They do everything they are asked to do. They will get a 'great' deal, problem is it will be a great deal for America, overseen by the man who wants to make America 'great' again, after all.

janfebmar · 05-06-2019 11:59pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

There’s no special alliance. Ask people in the US and they would have no clue.

You'd be surprised. Tomorrow for example they will be getting a lot of media from their President in Normandy, on the anniversary of the D-day landings. Many American families had family members who served in WW2, and the UK was their ally. Where they based their forces before the invasion of mainland Europe. And of course the US and UK were allies in the cold war, Gulf War 1 and 2, the war on terror etc.

janfebmar · 06-06-2019 12:04am

Deleted User wrote: »

The British-Nazi Germany one was fairly strong back in 1935 whem both countries signed the Anglo-German Naval Agreement, in fairness

lol. The 1935 Anglo-German Naval Agreement between the United Kingdom and Germany regulated the size of the Kriegsmarine in relation to the Royal Navy. The Anglo-German Naval Agreement fixed a ratio whereby the total tonnage of the Kriegsmarine was to be maximum 35% of the total tonnage of the Royal Navy on a permanent basis. The Royal Navy was then the worlds largest and most powerful navy. At the onset of World War II it was still the world's largest.

janfebmar · 06-06-2019 12:05am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The subject is 'Is America treating the UK like a colony?', I think that it is quite evident for some time that Britain is America's colony in Europe. They do everything they are asked to do.

Rubbish. They did not go to Vietnam for example.

FrancieBrady · 06-06-2019 12:08am

janfebmar wrote: »

Rubbish. They did not go to Vietnam for example.

You have to go back to the 1960's to find an example?? And a war which was one of the biggest mistakes America ever got involved in?

06-06-2019 12:12am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Playing chicken with British jets, who are stupid enough to play with them...what if a British pilot made a mistake and came down in Galway city?

I'm sorry but you seem small minded by that comment. The worst that could happen is a british jet fighter coming down in Galway city? Thats the worst that could happen?

I'm from Galway myself btw.

FrancieBrady · 06-06-2019 12:26am

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm sorry but you seem small minded by that comment. The worst that could happen is a british jet fighter coming down in Galway city? Thats the worst that could happen?

I'm from Galway myself btw.

Both could come down...that would be worse.

Are you afraid the Russians are going to attack us? Only one of the pair to attack us is allegedly the British when they bombed Dublin and Monaghan and Belturbet plus much more.

The Russians have no history of aggression towards us.

ILoveYourVibes · 06-06-2019 12:27am

janfebmar wrote: »

That 1935 agreement was an attempt to limit German naval power and is easily researched...poor old Francie thought it was maybe the greatest alliance the world has ever known:rolleyes:

You will find Americans more clued than you think, over 400,000 were killed in ww2, I think the Government there know who they were fighting against. They are not flying Trump to Normandy tomorrow to dig sandcastles.

Trump supporters though do like what the German stereotype is though.

They don't realize Frank-Walter Steinmeier was democratically elected president just 2 yrs ago and he hates Trump.

janfebmar · 06-06-2019 12:31am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Both could come down...that would be worse.

Are you afraid the Russians are going to attack us? Only one of the pair to attack us is allegedly the British when they bombed Dublin and Monaghan and Belturbet plus much more.

The Russians have no history of aggression towards us.

I suppose if you keep saying things against the British you will even believe them yourself. Saying the Russians had no history of aggression towards us is like saying the Nazis had no history of aggression towards us. Never mind that they invaded many small neutral countries.

janfebmar · 06-06-2019 12:34am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

They don't realize Frank-Walter Steinmeier was democratically elected president just 2 yrs ago and he hates Trump.

The same Frank-Walter Steinmeier whose lenient policies towards countries such as Russia and China have earned him criticism both in Germany and internationally, and who has been criticized for prioritizing German business interests over human rights?

FrancieBrady · 06-06-2019 12:39am

janfebmar wrote: »

I suppose if you keep saying things against the British you will even believe them yourself. Saying the Russians had no history of aggression towards us is like saying the Nazis had no history of aggression towards us. Never mind that they invaded many small neutral countries.

And the British were always such a benevolent nation as far as we were concerned.

Try taking the blinkers off for a while Jan and seeing the real politik of the world without your made in Blighty rose tinted specs.

Sleep tight and check for them pesky rooskies under the bed!

janfebmar · 06-06-2019 12:56am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And the British were always such a benevolent nation as far as we were concerned.

Ask the hundreds of thousands of Irish people who volunteered and joined the UK forces in WW1 and WW2. All were treated fairly. Of course you being an extremist Republican think that Sean Russell was right and when he died on a German submarine, it showed that the Irish-Nazi alliance was correct and huge.:rolleyes:....and your friends the nazis were great lads altogether

Junkyard Tom · 06-06-2019 1:47am

Shoes and Boots wrote: »

same like you drink tea with milk and do not understand how rest of the world could drink tea without milk.

Hey HEY HEY. :mad:

You leave tea OUT OF THIS. Don't you dare try to come between us and our tea. :mad:

DEFTLEFTHAND · 06-06-2019 2:22am

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Wtf are you on about. The Irish population of the US is <10%. The KKK is mostly Anglo American or scotch Irish (ie Protestants).

Exclusively so.

Catholics were targetted by the Klan.

RobMc59 · 06-06-2019 8:00am

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Hey HEY HEY. :mad:

You leave tea OUT OF THIS. Don't you dare try to come between us and our tea. :mad:

As long as it's Yorkshire tea

Del.Monte · 06-06-2019 8:09am

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Quite amazing how the resident loyalists, Rangers fans and Brit army cheerleaders are so quick into these threads.

Amazing how the Shinner Bots usually start the threads.

FrancieBrady · 06-06-2019 8:23am

Del.Monte wrote: »

Amazing how the Shinner Bots usually start the threads.

How to qualify as a 'shinnerbot' - say one thing critical of old Blighty and make the boys and girls cry.

Say my name · 06-06-2019 8:24am

We all know the real reason Trump was in Britain was to get British support for a war against Iran.

Weak U.S. presidents use the war excuse as a way to bolster support from the USA USA crowd and they have to pick a country that is not a complete walkover but offers some resistance. The religion aspect helps home support too. It'll make a great photoshoot with Trump on an aircraft carrier in the gulf, cementing his own opinion as the hard man of the world.

Britain of course will join up as they are getting beat up from Ireland and the EU atm and this will force the world to take Britain more seriously.
The world will shudder at the power of USA and Britain.

* just getting this post in early.

steddyeddy · 06-06-2019 8:35am

RobMc59 wrote: »

As long as it's Yorkshire tea

Yorkshire Gold has its charms.

RobMc59 · 06-06-2019 8:37am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

How to qualify as a 'shinnerbot' - say one thing critical of old Blighty and make the boys and girls cry.

Don't turn any sports channels on tonight as your 2 worst nightmares will be on-England and Holland-all those union Jack's and all that orange may make you feel ill:)

Hamsterchops · 06-06-2019 8:58am

i've only been in boards for a short while but why all the brit bashing? there seems to be s vocal few who never miss an opportunity to have a go at britain and england. seems a bit weird that's all, start a thread about anything and "they" appear with their anti british rants.

i thought we'd move on.

FrancieBrady · 06-06-2019 9:17am

RobMc59 wrote: »

Don't turn any sports channels on tonight as your 2 worst nightmares will be on-England and Holland-all those union Jack's and all that orange may make you feel ill:)

It's cute at this stage that you need to see any criticism as some sort of general bloodlust for the saxon foe.

As it happens, I have holidayed in the Netherlands for the last number of years, I prefer it (or my skin does) to the ovens of southern Europe so I will be shouting for them. Never had much time for the English soccer team tbh.

06-06-2019 9:52am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Both could come down...that would be worse.

Are you afraid the Russians are going to attack us? Only one of the pair to attack us is allegedly the British when they bombed Dublin and Monaghan and Belturbet plus much more.

The Russians have no history of aggression towards us.

The worst thing that could happen, Francie, is that one of those Russian bombers flying over Irish controlled airspace, with no transponders on and therefore invisible to commercial airlines, could hit a 747 and bring both of them down.

RobMc59 · 06-06-2019 10:00am

Aegir wrote: »

The worst thing that could happen, Francie, is that one of those Russian bombers flying over Irish controlled airspace, with no transponders on and therefore invisible to commercial airlines, could hit a 747 and bring both of them down.

That would be Britain's fault for existing in francies world:)

FrancieBrady · 06-06-2019 10:41am

Aegir wrote: »

The worst thing that could happen, Francie, is that one of those Russian bombers flying over Irish controlled airspace, with no transponders on and therefore invisible to commercial airlines, could hit a 747 and bring both of them down.

You forgot to mention a British jet (basically playing chicken or wargames) could do the same.

Timmy Dooley wrote:

The Russian and British unauthorized entry into Irish airspace had posed a threat, not only to Irish air passengers but to thousands of people flying from Europe to the United States. ''These maneuvers,” he said, “were not sanctioned by the Irish Aviation Authority and had put Irish air traffic controllers in the invidious position of not being able to carry out their duties effectively. This should not be tolerated.”

J Mysterio · 06-06-2019 10:49am

Hamsterchops wrote: »

i've only been in boards for a short while but why all the brit bashing? there seems to be s vocal few who never miss an opportunity to have a go at britain and england. seems a bit weird that's all, start a thread about anything and "they" appear with their anti british rants.

i thought we'd move on.

Because - yet again - decisions made in Britain (England primarily) have likely negative consequences for us.

mickoneill31 · 06-06-2019 10:52am

Hamsterchops wrote: »

i've only been in boards for a short while but why all the brit bashing? there seems to be s vocal few who never miss an opportunity to have a go at britain and england. seems a bit weird that's all, start a thread about anything and "they" appear with their anti british rants.

i thought we'd move on.

It probably depends what threads you're reading. After a while you know what areas to avoid. In the more serious threads facts are required so when some users pop on that are light on facts they get told off. Might be considered as bashing, depending on your perspective

FrancieBrady · 06-06-2019 10:58am

J Mysterio wrote: »

Because - yet again - decisions made in Britain (England primarily) have likely negative consequences for us.

There are imo far more threads critical of aspects of American foreign policy/intervention and culture than there are about the British and in all the years reading and using this site I can not remember once, an American citizen getting a huff on about it being an attack on America in general or all it's people.

That type of huff/indignation is unique to some British and Irish people and signifies for me a rather plaintive insecurity in both.

Auguste Comte · 06-06-2019 11:09am

Aegir wrote: »

The worst thing that could happen, Francie, is that one of those Russian bombers flying over Irish controlled airspace, with no transponders on and therefore invisible to commercial airlines, could hit a 747 and bring both of them down.

A far more realistic risk going by what has actually happened in the past is an Irish ferries boat being hit and possibly sunk by a British navy sub.

The best thing would be for all foreign military to announce their presence in Irish territory by using a transponder or travelling on the surface, or better still don't enter Irish territory unless you are invited.

06-06-2019 11:21am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Both could come down...that would be worse.

Are you afraid the Russians are going to attack us? Only one of the pair to attack us is allegedly the British when they bombed Dublin and Monaghan and Belturbet plus much more.

The Russians have no history of aggression towards us.

Christ. Think bigger.

Yes we were at war with the British for 800 years, but now they are allies. Maybe you missed the news bulletin.

How about this:
Russian and British fighters are 'playing' over Galway bay. To scare a British fighter back home, a Russian jet missile locks a British jet. With afterburners, the British pilot can be on the ground in Brize Norton in under two minutes. Instead, his wingman missile locks the Russian jet and presses fire. Russian jet goes down.

The Kremlin treats this as an act of war and because Ireland did nothing to stop it, considers Ireland complicit.

Ireland: But we are neutral!
Kremlin: So is Switzerland but their jets would have dissolved this situation before anything happened. Where were yours?
Ireland: We dont have any jets, in an emergency we use...the RAF
Kremlin: So you are complicit.

I could go on, it could get much worse than that. If the worst it can get for you is 2 jets dropping onto Galway then I don't know what to say to you.

J Mysterio · 06-06-2019 11:22am

hahaha

06-06-2019 11:26am

Hamsterchops wrote: »

i've only been in boards for a short while but why all the brit bashing? there seems to be s vocal few who never miss an opportunity to have a go at britain and england. seems a bit weird that's all, start a thread about anything and "they" appear with their anti british rants.

i thought we'd move on.

99.9% of us have moved on. A few have not. Look at the comments section of The Journal web app. They seem to live there and come out from under the bridge occasionally to post on boards.

Welcome btw.

FrancieBrady · 06-06-2019 11:32am

Deleted User wrote: »

Christ. Think bigger.

Yes we were at war with the British for 800 years, but now they are allies. Maybe you missed the news bulletin.

How about this:
Russian and British fighters are 'playing' over Galway bay. To scare a British fighter back home, a Russian jet missile locks a British jet. With afterburners, the British pilot can be on the ground in Brize Norton in under two minutes. Instead, his wingman missile locks the Russian jet and presses fire. Russian jet goes down.

The Kremlin treats this as an act of war and because Ireland did nothing to stop it, considers Ireland complicit.

Ireland: But we are neutral!
Kremlin: So is Switzerland but their jets would have dissolved this situation before anything happened. Where were yours?
Ireland: We dont have any jets, in an emergency we use...the RAF
Kremlin: So you are complicit.

I could go on, it could get much worse than that. If the worst it can get for you is 2 jets dropping onto Galway then I don't know what to say to you.

Sorry to bring you crashing back down to reality denartha. But perhaps you need to calm down a bit.
Here is what the Irish Aviation Authority said of the 'incident' or 'non incident'

Irish Aviation Authority wrote:

"At no time did these aircraft enter Irish sovereign airspace. The aircraft were operating in Irish controlled airspace which extends 256 nautical miles off the west coast of Ireland, at no time did the aircraft infringe Irish sovereign airspace which extends to 12 nautical miles off the Irish coast.

"There was no safety impact to civilian traffic operating in Irish controlled airspace."

threeball · 06-06-2019 11:36am

Aegir wrote: »

The worst thing that could happen, Francie, is that one of those Russian bombers flying over Irish controlled airspace, with no transponders on and therefore invisible to commercial airlines, could hit a 747 and bring both of them down.

British subs dragging Irish trawlers to the depths is ok but the extremely remote possibility of a commercial airliner hitting a Russian jet off the West coast is the thing that worries you?

threeball · 06-06-2019 11:38am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Christ. Think bigger.

Yes we were at war with the British for 800 years, but now they are allies. Maybe you missed the news bulletin.

How about this:
Russian and British fighters are 'playing' over Galway bay. To scare a British fighter back home, a Russian jet missile locks a British jet. With afterburners, the British pilot can be on the ground in Brize Norton in under two minutes. Instead, his wingman missile locks the Russian jet and presses fire. Russian jet goes down.

The Kremlin treats this as an act of war and because Ireland did nothing to stop it, considers Ireland complicit.

Ireland: But we are neutral!
Kremlin: So is Switzerland but their jets would have dissolved this situation before anything happened. Where were yours?
Ireland: We dont have any jets, in an emergency we use...the RAF
Kremlin: So you are complicit.

I could go on, it could get much worse than that. If the worst it can get for you is 2 jets dropping onto Galway then I don't know what to say to you.

Fcuk me, some people have an active imagination. The kids must love your bedtime stories. Harry Potter wouldn't hold a candle.

recedite · 06-06-2019 11:47am

Aegir wrote: »

The worst thing that could happen, Francie, is that one of those Russian bombers flying over Irish controlled airspace, with no transponders on and therefore invisible to commercial airlines, could hit a 747 and bring both of them down.

Its remotely possible. A couple of Russian planes flying incognito, and whose radar systems had become disabled, could bump into a 747 also flying with its transponder off. Fairly unlikely though.

Its not something I would lie awake at night worrying about.

Junkyard Tom · 06-06-2019 11:49am

Hamsterchops wrote: »

i've only been in boards for a short while but why all the brit bashing?

I think you might be confusing a dislike for 'Rule Britannia' types with xenophobia. The vast majority of British people are a grand bunch of lads. I think upwards of 200 thousand British people moved to Ireland in recent years and you'd barely notice because they integrate so well into Irish society - like we do in Britain.

Then, on the other hand, you have people posting on this very thread who are still sore about Irish independence from Britain despite having lived here for generations.

Crazy, but that's how it goes.

PhuckHugh22 · 06-06-2019 11:49am

Find it pretty hillarious all round that all these Brexiteers are so in love with Trump and all the US wants to do is shaft them. Will be worse than anything the EU ever done. Starting with the NHS.

janfebmar · 06-06-2019 11:53am

Del.Monte wrote: »

Amazing how the Shinner Bots usually start the threads.

'Tis their job, you can spot them easily.

FrancieBrady · 06-06-2019 12:07pm

steddyeddy is a 'shinnerbot' now too.

:D:D:D

Fan of Netflix · 06-06-2019 12:12pm

They'll be bending over to India soon too now India are becoming an economic powerhouse and Britain is in freefall. Great to see the former colonies put manners on the vile British empire.

weldoninhio · 06-06-2019 12:17pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Christ. Think bigger.

Yes we were at war with the British for 800 years, but now they are allies. Maybe you missed the news bulletin.

How about this:
Russian and British fighters are 'playing' over Galway bay. To scare a British fighter back home, a Russian jet missile locks a British jet. With afterburners, the British pilot can be on the ground in Brize Norton in under two minutes. Instead, his wingman missile locks the Russian jet and presses fire. Russian jet goes down.

The Kremlin treats this as an act of war and because Ireland did nothing to stop it, considers Ireland complicit.

Ireland: But we are neutral!
Kremlin: So is Switzerland but their jets would have dissolved this situation before anything happened. Where were yours?
Ireland: We dont have any jets, in an emergency we use...the RAF
Kremlin: So you are complicit.

I could go on, it could get much worse than that. If the worst it can get for you is 2 jets dropping onto Galway then I don't know what to say to you.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Don't give up the day job, unless you are a fiction writer, then I'd defo look at doing something else.

purplepanda · 06-06-2019 1:01pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

I don't think you sign trade deals with a colony... you don't really need to, implicitly.
The UK has been a client state of the US since Suez.

Many English often say the UK is a puppet state of the USA, from sometime since the end of WW2.

Maybe the 1958 US-UK Defence Agreement was when this process started?

http://https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_US%E2%80%93UK_Mutual_Defence_Agreement

Is America treating the UK like a colony?

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