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21-11-2020, 22:17   #901
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Really? You think that? Previous stories following nearly the exact same template have come and gone.
The UCD 200 as an example.

In this instance, the Gardaí have said that

And even more interesting considering the Victims alliance claim that a large number of social media profiles are identified in the alleged leak



So the Gardaí think charges are unlikely, and confirmed that as of yesterday they have received neither a complaint, or very interestingly if you parse out this piece of info...


The alleged leaked material has yet to actually be handed over to the Gardaí.
Why would you release a story to the press on the 18th? But still not have ended the evidence of the crime to the Gardaí by the 20th?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crim...eaks-1.4415105
Quotes taken from this article, which again is reporting 2nd hand info provided by the Victims alliance with zero corroboration of the existence of the leak.
The more one looks for verification or any meat to this story?

The more it looks like Quorn mince.
The Discord Statement would lead you to believe that there is something behind it.
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True, but that's the same as saying that no one forces you to go to work every day.

You go to work to benefit yourself, personally, professionally, financially.
You use the internet and social media to benefit yourself in many ways. You should have an expectation of privacy.

Just because you don't have to do something, doesn't mean you shouldn't do something.
There should be no expectation of privacy on the internet. Literally none. It's the best starting point you can have.
Assume someone is watching and monitoring everything you do.
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21-11-2020, 22:18   #903
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The Justice Minister said she will bring proposals to Cabinet which will see the sharing of intimate images without consent become a criminal offence.

Helen McEntee TD said that the recent leak of tens of thousands of images of Irish women "caused so much upset".

In a thread shared on Twitter, she said: "I share that anger and I want people to know that I am determined to act and to introduce tough new laws to ensure that anyone who shares these kinds of images will face serious criminal sanctions."

She added: "This is not just about revenge porn - sharing such images will become a criminal offence, regardless of the motivation of the person who passes them on.

"It will also be irrelevant if consent is given for an intimate image to be taken - I will ensure they can never be shared, even if consent was given for the image to be taken."

It also references Tinder/Whatts App/Only fans, so it does not seen to be seen as a separate issue. I suppose watch this space.
It's a very seperate issue and once the DPP legal advice is obtained that will become very obvious
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Serious question here but are underage girls selling pictures of themselves on OnlyFans? This is a disgrace if so.
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21-11-2020, 22:24   #905
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The Discord Statement would lead you to believe that there is something behind it.
No, it really wouldn't.
It would lead you to believe that discord shut down a group that was in breach of its T&C's yes.

Given that copyright infringement is in breach of those, it still doesn't really indicate anything other than the possibility.

Further to that, it's far better to be proactive as a platform and ban potentially controversial or problematic groups than facilitate them.

The discord statement is standard for the industry, including confirming full co-operation and IP disclosure if requested.

If there is Revenge Porn, or Child images of course all involved should feel the full weight of the law.
Unfortunately, current law really only permits the Child images be prosecuted.

If it's onlyfans content?
That isn't a criminal matter as far as I'm concerned and honestly nor should it be.
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Sharing screen grabs from someone's onlyfans is very common.
The issue is that copyright infringement of people choosing to sell images of themselves is being conflated with revenge porn and child porn.

If the local yummy mummy selling tit-pics is seeking to portray herself as the victim of a sex crime.
Or of a violation on a par with revenge porn, child sexualisation or coercive control via threat of sharing intimate images?
Apologies if you think I'm a little uncouth, but she is **** outta luck.

Copyright infringement is not a sex crime and cannot even be equated as being in the same realm of criminality.
The loss in that instance is solely monetary and more suited to civil than criminal courts.
I completely agree with this.

People with OnlyFans accounts are, by and large, sex workers. They are commercialising their bodies for the paying public.
Fair enough, some of it might be soft-core or lingerie, but let be honest.

If you're putting out content for the paying public, it cannot be a sex crime, or a violation of your body for the non-paying public to see this.

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Serious question here but are underage girls selling pictures of themselves on OnlyFans? This is a disgrace if so.
Probably. No one is policing underage access to porn, so I'd say no one is policing underage creation of porn.
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Every subscription porn site would have that , 3 months later porn ends up on free sites and only fans will be the same, it’s just Karen from the gaa club down the road is on only fans and expects to be treated differently
That doesn't make it legal.
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They should bring out a law that makes it illegal for people under 18 to share such images over smartphones and internet.It might make them think twice, because at the end of the day, all those images will end up somewhere dark online without them ever knowing.
Great idea. We could put it beside the laws that make it illegal for young people to smoke, drink, take drugs and have sex, because they've always worked swimmingly.
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Kids don't get a pass when it comes to breaking the law, if a kid murders someone we don't just say, '' ah it's okay, they're only 14''
the age of responsibility in Ireland is 12. There is suggestions that it should be raised but I dont think it gained traction.Theres only a few exemptions and one is murder however at 14 you face the legal consequences of your actions.

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But they seem to get a pass when they produce self made CP, and distribute it among their inner circle.
You are suggesting that a law that is there to protect children should be used against children. Common sense must apply in such cases and there is the 'Romeo & Juliet' aspect at play. 12 year old coerced by a 17 year old is not the same as a 16 year old sending an image to her 15 year old boyfriend.

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They should bring out a law that makes it illegal for people under 18 to share such images over smartphones and internet.
What do you mean? Creating / sharing sexual images of a child (anyone under 18) is already a crime. Producing / displaying pornography to a child is also already a crime. The issue however is A, will there be a complaint / witness willing to give evidence and B, If you prosecute the reciever of an image should you also prosecute the supplier which may be in effect, the victim? Again, common sense needs to come into play.

The Gardai have certain amount of discretion with minor issues. In larger cases such as sexual offences, a file must be sent to the DPP and they in turn have a certain amount of discretion in how to proceed. The DPP is the director of PUBLIC prosecutions only and not private ones therefore their decisions are based on the general needs of the public at large and if its in the interests of justice and the public to prosecute. In a case where the victim and suspect are, say both 16 and in a relationship, neither wants to make a complaint and then the parents are of the opinion that there should be no prosecution, why continue? Who does it help?
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True, but that's the same as saying that no one forces you to go to work every day.

You go to work to benefit yourself, personally, professionally, financially.
You use the internet and social media to benefit yourself in many ways. You should have an expectation of privacy.

Just because you don't have to do something, doesn't mean you shouldn't do something.
Expectation/reality. Pick one. While it would be great if the internet was fully traceable and accountable to the law and privacy was guaranteed, it's not. Not even close. In many ways the internet sees censorship and restriction of information as a fault and routes around it. It's built into its very core.

Take your going to work example. We have a suite of solid worker's rights in Ireland, but workers in I dunno Pakistan do not. Our laws don't apply to them, just like any internet laws enacted here will mean diddly to servers in say Russia.

Plus an individual can choose to use the internet for their benefit, while retaining a lot more privacy than the average user who just clicks the I Agree terms and conditions box and ploughs on, most of the time not realising just how much of their personal data is being mined for multi billion quid corporations, or intercepted by the more nasty and criminally minded. People, particularly children need to be much better educated on this.

EG I use google, have an account with them including gmail, regularly gorge myself on youtube and this is my history:



And there's no need to go full prepper paranoid American in basement wearing tinfoil hat involved. Just a few clicks that takes but a minute. I don't facebook, but for the brief time I did I had taken the same minute or two to set my privacy preferences to feck off Zuckerberg.
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Expectation/reality. Pick one
They are all good points.
The internet is constantly evolving and despite it being 30 years old, the current incarnation of social media and 24/7 access is still new.
I don't know what legislation will be enacted to control it, but it seems to me to be a Pandora's Box.

I wouldn't be surprised if the EU or US starts to impose access restrictions or online passports.

To your second point, your browser or website history never disappears. Even in incognito and no matter what privacy settings. It's still recorded, just not used for certain purposes . Unless it is, in which case good luck, you still have no rights.
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Serious question here but are underage girls selling pictures of themselves on OnlyFans? This is a disgrace if so.
I used to work for a payment processor who handled the account for OnlyFans. Much like any other business, people who use the service to sell are required to provide ID, including photo ID. So OnlyFans, Pornhub etc are all required by law to request Proof of ID and other such tax information from their users who are going to make money.

I would personally assume that the extreme majority of men and women posting on their have provided photo ID, but there is always the outlier chance that underage people have provided fake ID's. However, the security and fraud checks that go into trying to prevent this are very high so I'd reckon they would be rare, and typically picked up on quick enough.

No platform wants to be called out for allowing child pornography on their site.
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Sunday Times today claiming that selling porn on onlyfans is a "lifeline" for irish women and that anyone that jeopardises their income should be met with the full force of the law.
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I mean, technically it is copyright infringement, especially if making any form of profit off of it.

Same goes for any photographer who finds their content is being used on another platform with out the owners consent.

As for the talk of those lads sharing pictures of underage girls. I hope they get strung up in the city squares and left to rot.
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Something else to keep in mind, depending on the country, the age of consent is significantly lower than Ireland. We consider anyone under 18 to be a child and any sexual videos or photos of them would be considered child porn. However, if that person was in, for example, Sweden, the age is 15. Or 12/13 in Sudan. Honduras and Brazil are 14.

List of countries by age of consent

Just food for thought there. And i'm not 100% on the different laws, so I'm not sure if the age of consent applies to personal or professional images or videos.

But I agree with some posters here:

- Images/Videos of underage as per Irish Law is wrong and should/would be prosecuted*
- Images/Videos of consenting adults shared on money making sites would be copyright if shared so not a criminal matter
- Images/Videos of consenting adults shared privately between each other subsequently shared without the consent of the sender is wrong, yes, but not illegal at the moment

The 'Revenge porn' legislation they want is a good step, but it needs to be fair to ensure someone doesn't try and stitch up an ex by saying their photos were shared when they weren't. The proof needs to be very strict imo. Don't get me wrong, it is needed, but it shouldn't be rushed in because of x in the media.

As for the alleged leak, there does appear to be a lack of concrete evidence at the moment, but cases like this can likely take years to put together. Discord shutting the server is a typical response by companies, not proof of wrong doing. As mentioned above, it could just be a case of the person breaching Discords T&C's. Only time will tell.

* Simply possessing images/videos of persons underage is a crime and doesn't require a "victim", as long as the images/videos can be proven to be of underage. So if there are proven underage images/videos, the uploaded/owner of the server can be prosecuted anyway.

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