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banie01 wrote: »

Sharing screen grabs from someone's onlyfans is very common.
The issue is that copyright infringement of people choosing to sell images of themselves is being conflated with revenge porn and child porn.

If the local yummy mummy selling tit-pics is seeking to portray herself as the victim of a sex crime.
Or of a violation on a par with revenge porn, child sexualisation or coercive control via threat of sharing intimate images?
Apologies if you think I'm a little uncouth, but she is **** outta luck.

Copyright infringement is not a sex crime and cannot even be equated as being in the same realm of criminality.
The loss in that instance is solely monetary and more suited to civil than criminal courts.

It says here that Discord have today confirmed they have shut down a server and banned a large number of people and will be following up with the relevant authorities.

So it would appear there is a leak?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40086578.html

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Unfortunately this is regular enough. The same thing happened a load of onlyfans pages in Cork maybe last year?

Just hop onto your favourite porn site and search for Irish onlyfans. Won't take you long to find it.

Sharing screen grabs from someone's onlyfans is very common.
The issue is that copyright infringement of people choosing to sell images of themselves is being conflated with revenge porn and child porn.

If the local yummy mummy selling tit-pics is seeking to portray herself as the victim of a sex crime.
Or of a violation on a par with revenge porn, child sexualisation or coercive control via threat of sharing intimate images?
Apologies if you think I'm a little uncouth, but she is **** outta luck.

Copyright infringement is not a sex crime and cannot even be equated as being in the same realm of criminality.
The loss in that instance is solely monetary and more suited to civil than criminal courts.

banie01 wrote: »

What can't just disappear?
The phantom leak that no-one has seen?
It would actually have to appear somewhere 1st for that to happen.

And the "action group" are the source of this story. It gains them exposure and creates a moral panic that they can exploit.

The legislation McEntee is championing, was drafted by Labour and proposed in 2017 only to be shut down by FG.
FG are retabling the same legislation now with yet to be confirmed amendments.

The convenience of an alleged mass leak, that no-one who doesn't have something to gain or an axe to grind has claimed to have actually seen?

The genie in the bottle, hasn't escaped because at 72hrs + post leak announcement?
We are still at the point that no-one has seen it. At this point a very fair assumption is that no such leak exists.

The legislation around revenge porn, and sharing private photos is sorely needed.
The convenience of its timing?
The paucity of evidence of any of the mass wrong-doing that a currently severely under pressure justice minister has alluded to?
The re-hashing of legislation that wasn't good enough for FG 3yrs ago, but is now?

It awakens the cynic in me.

You cant just make blanket statements that there is a leak with no real follow up. The Gardai will surely have to come out and confirm or deny it.

There is a requirement for legislation to change/be amended - it's way behind the digital age. And it is wider than the term 'revenge porn'- that term is definitely outdated and does not capture image abuse...ie upskirting, or what happened in the case of Dara Quigley.

Padre_Pio

hynesie08 wrote: »

There's a vortex existing at the moment

Twitter claims leak
Media reports on leak using tweets as source
Tweeters link to media report as proof........

I have no interest in seeing these photos, but somebody on twitter saying "there's a folder labeled xyz" doesn't exactly convince me.

Unfortunately this is regular enough. The same thing happened a load of onlyfans pages in Cork maybe last year?

Just hop onto your favourite porn site and search for Irish onlyfans. Won't take you long to find it.

Padre_Pio

Wibbs wrote: »

It's still good advice. If not more applicable today. And crazy thought though it may be, but nobody is forcing anyone to upload their privacy.

True, but that's the same as saying that no one forces you to go to work every day.

You go to work to benefit yourself, personally, professionally, financially.
You use the internet and social media to benefit yourself in many ways. You should have an expectation of privacy.

Just because you don't have to do something, doesn't mean you shouldn't do something.

hynesie08

banie01 wrote: »

What can't just disappear?
The phantom leak that no-one has seen?
It would actually have to appear somewhere 1st for that to happen.

And the "action group" are the source of this story. It gains them exposure and creates a moral panic that they can exploit.

The legislation McEntee is championing, was drafted by Labour and proposed in 2017 only to be shut down by FG.
FG are retabling the same legislation now with yet to be confirmed amendments.

The convenience of an alleged mass leak, that no-one who doesn't have something to gain or an axe to grind has claimed to have actually seen?

The genie in the bottle, hasn't escaped because at 72hrs + post leak announcement?
We are still at the point that no-one has seen it. At this point a very fair assumption is that no such leak exists.

The legislation around revenge porn, and sharing private photos is sorely needed.
The convenience of its timing?
The paucity of evidence of any of the mass wrong-doing that a currently severely under pressure justice minister has alluded to?
The re-hashing of legislation that wasn't good enough for FG 3yrs ago, but is now?

It awakens the cynic in me.

There's a vortex existing at the moment

Twitter claims leak
Media reports on leak using tweets as source
Tweeters link to media report as proof........

I have no interest in seeing these photos, but somebody on twitter saying "there's a folder labeled xyz" doesn't exactly convince me.

anewme wrote: »

“The files that we are talking about pertain mostly to Irish women, with some men, but until we manage to contact all of the victims, we won’t know for sure."

Sorry, it's not Gardai, its the action Group,but same applies, they will have to give an update, it cant just disappear.

What can't just disappear?
The phantom leak that no-one has seen?
It would actually have to appear somewhere 1st for that to happen.

And the "action group" are the source of this story. It gains them exposure and creates a moral panic that they can exploit.

The legislation McEntee is championing, was drafted by Labour and proposed in 2017 only to be shut down by FG.
FG are retabling the same legislation now with yet to be confirmed amendments.

The convenience of an alleged mass leak, that no-one who doesn't have something to gain or an axe to grind has claimed to have actually seen?

The genie in the bottle, hasn't escaped because at 72hrs + post leak announcement?
We are still at the point that no-one has seen it. At this point a very fair assumption is that no such leak exists.

The legislation around revenge porn, and sharing private photos is sorely needed.
The convenience of its timing?
The paucity of evidence of any of the mass wrong-doing that a currently severely under pressure justice minister has alluded to?
The re-hashing of legislation that wasn't good enough for FG 3yrs ago, but is now?

It awakens the cynic in me.

Wibbs

Padre_Pio wrote: »

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Given how people's businesses and private lives are more online than ever, the notion that "don't put something online that you wouldn't share with your granny etc" is out of date.

It's still good advice. If not more applicable today. And crazy thought though it may be, but nobody is forcing anyone to upload their privacy.

banie01 wrote: »

Do me a quick favour please?
Quote where it mentions anything about that in the article you posted?

“The files that we are talking about pertain mostly to Irish women, with some men, but until we manage to contact all of the victims, we won’t know for sure."

Sorry, it's not Gardai, its the action Group,but same applies, they will have to give an update, it cant just disappear.

kippy wrote: »

Image based sexual abuse is far to broad a term. Way to broad a term. But look who am I to disagree with someone who writes articles.
As I said, hopefully common sense breaks out somewhere.

The Justice Minister said she will bring proposals to Cabinet which will see the sharing of intimate images without consent become a criminal offence.

Helen McEntee TD said that the recent leak of tens of thousands of images of Irish women "caused so much upset".

In a thread shared on Twitter, she said: "I share that anger and I want people to know that I am determined to act and to introduce tough new laws to ensure that anyone who shares these kinds of images will face serious criminal sanctions."

She added: "This is not just about revenge porn - sharing such images will become a criminal offence, regardless of the motivation of the person who passes them on.

"It will also be irrelevant if consent is given for an intimate image to be taken - I will ensure they can never be shared, even if consent was given for the image to be taken."

It also references Tinder/Whatts App/Only fans, so it does not seen to be seen as a separate issue. I suppose watch this space.

anewme wrote: »

I'm behind with the news, only heard about the whole thing yesterday night. However, it does say that Gardai are getting in touch with victims (Male and female). So you would expect that to take a bit of time?

Do me a quick favour please?
Quote where it mentions anything about that in the article you posted?

anewme wrote: »

Part of it push to stop using the term revenge porn.thats where the term image based sexual abuse comes from.

"Revenge porn’ is an outdated term that fails to capture severity of the offence and implies blame should be focused on the victim" - not my words, from another article on the topic.

No I'm not muddying any waters, I'm saying what is being pushed for in legislation,

Image based sexual abuse is far to broad a term. Way to broad a term. But look who am I to disagree with someone who writes articles.
As I said, hopefully common sense breaks out somewhere.

banie01 wrote: »

Again, this is an activist with a specific aim claiming the hack has happened and there has been widespread dissemination of the claimed pirated, leaked, stolen and otherwise obtained material.

That article is from the 18/11, it's the 21st now and do you know what?
There's still not a peep of this material anywhere?
Why not?

As I've said earlier in thread, if there was such material in the wild?
It would propogate wildly, that's one of the immediate downsides and dangers of digital media.
The genie gets out of the bottle, and can't be put back in.
Except, in this case?
The genie is still invisible.

I'm behind with the news, only heard about the whole thing yesterday night. However, it does say that Gardai are getting in touch with victims (Male and female). So you would expect that to take a bit of time?

Certainly, to use your genie analogy, it cant just go away once the allegations have been made, so there will have to be a follow up.

Valresnick

Not directly related this topic but fathers of young children - educate them now even if you think they might be too young. Get it into their heads now, repeat it - Do not ever send pics or personal information to people you do not know. Don’t believe anyone on the internet that you haven’t physically seen, and even then still take caution. Don’t fall for all the stupid tricks out there and most importantly protect your body and don’t let anyone take pictures of it.

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anewme wrote: »

You might think there are separate issues, but not everyone does, hence the protest being linked back to consent.

If "Karen from the GAA club" indignation could have been prevented by an appropriate subscription, thats very different from Karen sending John a personal nudey photo, and John sending it to the lads, either as "revenge porn", or just because he's a complete tosser. That should be regarded as some form of indecent/sexual crime.

Commercial loss =/= sexual exploitation

kippy wrote: »

Ok.

Again, there is some muddying of the waters here, not necessarily by you, however if people expect every single incidence of online sharing of copyrighted adult pictures to be investigated and prosecuted by the Gardai, we would need a few thousand more Gardai.
This is sperate to the issue of the sharing of underage photos and/or revenge porn type sharing.

Part of it push to stop using the term revenge porn.thats where the term image based sexual abuse comes from.

"Revenge porn’ is an outdated term that fails to capture severity of the offence and implies blame should be focused on the victim" - not my words, from another article on the topic.

No I'm not muddying any waters, I'm saying what is being pushed for in legislation,

anewme wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40084931.html

From Irish Examiner about the protest.

According to Ms Hayden, images have been taken from various platforms including Only Fans, Tinder, WhatsApp, and Instagram......

"....Ms Hayden said a large proportion of victim-blaming has been seen around the crime of image-based abuse.

“An attitude of ‘well if you didn’t want this to happen you shouldn’t have taken the pictures’ and in response to that we say ‘cop on’. It’s our body, our choice, but likewise, we maintain control over the consent around these images."

Again, this is an activist with a specific aim claiming the hack has happened and there has been widespread dissemination of the claimed pirated, leaked, stolen and otherwise obtained material.

That article is from the 18/11, it's the 21st now and do you know what?
There's still not a peep of this material anywhere?
Why not?

As I've said earlier in thread, if there was such material in the wild?
It would propogate wildly, that's one of the immediate downsides and dangers of digital media.
The genie gets out of the bottle, and can't be put back in.
Except, in this case?
The genie is still invisible.

anewme wrote: »

You might think there are separate issues, but not everyone does, hence the protest being linked back to consent issues.

Indeed. I hope some commonsense may prevail at some point and the right issues get the right action.

anewme wrote: »

Sorry I was trying to reply to your post about consent but could not link it

Ok.

Again, there is some muddying of the waters here, not necessarily by you, however if people expect every single incidence of online sharing of copyrighted adult pictures to be investigated and prosecuted by the Gardai, we would need a few thousand more Gardai.
This is sperate to the issue of the sharing of underage photos and/or revenge porn type sharing.

kippy wrote: »

It's important to ensure the three issues at play here remain seperate and not muddied.

Is the person aboves main issue with onlyfans and sharing of images from there and the likes?
It's not immediately obvious to me...

You might think there are separate issues, but not everyone does, hence the protest being linked back to consent issues.

kippy wrote: »

It's important to ensure the three issues at play here remain seperate and not muddied.

Is the person aboves main issue with onlyfans and sharing of images from there and the likes?
It's not immediately obvious to me...

Sorry I was trying to reply to your post earlier about consent but could not link it.

Ash.J.Williams

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I'd respectfully suggest that you demean women with your comments above more than OnlyFans demeans women.

Here's the relevant bits from their terms, with my bolding for emphasis.

https://onlyfans.com/terms/intellectual-property-rights

Every subscription porn site would have that , 3 months later porn ends up on free sites and only fans will be the same, it’s just Karen from the gaa club down the road is on only fans and expects to be treated differently

anewme wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40084931.html

From Irish Examiner about the protest.

Ms Hayden said a large proportion of victim-blaming has been seen around the crime of image-based abuse.

“An attitude of ‘well if you didn’t want this to happen you shouldn’t have taken the pictures’ and in response to that we say ‘cop on’. It’s our body, our choice, but likewise, we maintain control over the consent around these images."

It's important to ensure the three issues at play here remain seperate and not muddied.

Is the person aboves main issue with onlyfans and sharing of images from there and the likes?
It's not immediately obvious to me...

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40084931.html

From Irish Examiner about the protest.

According to Ms Hayden, images have been taken from various platforms including Only Fans, Tinder, WhatsApp, and Instagram......

"....Ms Hayden said a large proportion of victim-blaming has been seen around the crime of image-based abuse.

“An attitude of ‘well if you didn’t want this to happen you shouldn’t have taken the pictures’ and in response to that we say ‘cop on’. It’s our body, our choice, but likewise, we maintain control over the consent around these images."

Ash.J.Williams

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

There appears to be a lack of understanding in this thread on this issue.

When you buy or rent a movie or music or any intellectual property, you are buying a single license to be used in a personal capacity. Within your home with others is fine for music or a movie. If however you share that item with others by lending it to them or allowing them to copy the CD for example, thats copyright infringement.

The same for a programme bought online or Windows on your computer. Its single use. Once you start allowing others to use the disc or serial number, thats copyright infringement aka piracy.

Thats why there are commercial licenses for pubs to show Sky Sports or companies to have hundreds of Windows computers using Office and so on and so forth. In the day, DVD rental via Xtravision was the same, they had to buy a rental version of the movie instead of the normal version.

and yes, I am aware that the world and its dog does these things in one form or another but its still a copyright offence.

There is also a large gap between someones made for commercial use nude images being shared by a legitimate purchaser and an ex sharing what was supposed to be intimate images for his eyes only. The Onlyfans stuff was produced knowing and with the esxpress intent that multiple strangers would view it. The victim is a victim financially only as the only problem is lack of payment. No different to someone watching a private lapdance through an open window.

And until the laws you speak of are enforced people should expect their onlyfans vids to be public at some point

Padre_Pio wrote: »

IMO it's no different to any other media or product online.

If you're taking someone else digital property and sharing it without their consent, there should be some punishment.

Doesn't matter if it's your music, software, family photos, personal information, nudes whatever.

Given how people's businesses and private lives are more online than ever, the notion that "don't put something online that you wouldn't share with your granny etc" is out of date.

Im not saying there shouldn't be punishment but it's damn near impossible to investigate and prosecute due to the very nature of the medium.

If you accept the fact that passwords get compromised, data gets compromised and sites get hacked, you have to accept the fact that you shouldn't put something online that you wouldn't be happy showing your granny.

The damage is often done well before prosecutions come so why not take some control of the situation and not share something you wouldn't share with your granny?

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AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Not everyone on this thread seems to agree. Some people that anyone who shares a photo with anyone deserve everything they get.

Jeez, are there really people here looking to exploit children?

Sick fuchs. Denounce them

For me, there's a massive difference between sharing/distributing a photo of someone (created/sent by the person not for commercial gain if you like) and sharing/distributing a photo of someone who originally published it for commercial gain.

The former is criminal.
The latter civil.

Are unsolicited dick pics included in the former?

Padre_Pio

kippy wrote: »

Again, sharing or storing something online that you wouldn't share with your granny etc is not good practice. It's very hard to compare it with something in the 'real' world because it's not.

IMO it's no different to any other media or product online.

If you're taking someone else digital property and sharing it without their consent, there should be some punishment.

Doesn't matter if it's your music, software, family photos, personal information, nudes whatever.

Given how people's businesses and private lives are more online than ever, the notion that "don't put something online that you wouldn't share with your granny etc" is out of date.

BorneTobyWilde

Kids don't get a pass when it comes to breaking the law, if a kid murders someone we don't just say, '' ah it's okay, they're only 14''
But they seem to get a pass when they produce self made CP, and distribute it among their inner circle. ..doesn't make sense. They should bring out a law that makes it illegal for people under 18 to share such images over smartphones and internet.It might make them think twice, because at the end of the day, all those images will end up somewhere dark online without them ever knowing.