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AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Gra-nny?

Again, so what? There's a good chance that kids today are far less hung up on sex and nudity than you are.


How can you be sure about that? Have you spoken to many of them, or are you just projecting your own values onto other people?


If they don't want to see naked images, then they shouldn't be browsing OF. Problem solved.

Lad you would argue with your shadow.

Quite a lot of women on OF tend to be late teens or early 20s, I think most of us here will admit that at that age we hadn't a clue what we were doing nor particularly cared about any ramifications further down the line. Until you do care when you step out into the real world.

My values are mine alone; I don't really care what a person does with their body. I'm not a prude and I'm entitled to my opinion just like you are. If you don't like what I have to say then feel free to stick me on ignore.

Pigsaw

Pigsaw wrote: »

Part of your job as father is to protect your child and keep them from making poor decisions in life.

Again I do not see it that way. What might be a "poor" decision for me might be the "right" decision for them.

So again - my role is to give them the best tools to make their decisions for themselves. Not to judge for them what the right decisions or wrong decisions are.

Pigsaw wrote: »

Get real man, if your child ends up selling their body then you failed.

Oh well if your point fails - but you repeat it entirely but by simple adding "get real man" before it - sure then the point is made infinitely stronger. Or something?

You are just restating what I already rebutted here.

EmmetSpiceland

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sasha Grey springs to mind as a retired porn star who now has a stream on "twitch".

Careful there, T. Someone will be along to tell you that she is a terrible person because she “blocks” users for posting her personal details and bringing up things she doesn’t want to talk about.

Sounds fair enough to me but some people really do “scrape” the barrel for reasons to hate on women.

EmmetSpiceland

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Careful there, A. Someone will be along to tell you that she is a terrible person

Hah. Maybe she is I know next to nothing about her except the work she now does. And I only know that because I recently decided to browse around twitch for a few hours for the first time

My point was that whether she is a wonderful person or an absolutely horrible person - she is certainly articulate and functional and successful which was a contrast to the point of the user I was replying to.

Pigsaw

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Again I do not see it that way. What might be a "poor" decision for me might be the "right" decision for them.

So again - my role is to give them the best tools to make their decisions for themselves. Not to judge for them what the right decisions or wrong decisions are.



Oh well if your point fails - but you repeat it entirely but by simple adding "get real man" before it - sure then the point is made infinitely stronger. Or something?

You are just restating what I already rebutted here.

So your daughter, who I'm sure you love and treasure, ends up in a whorehouse getting f*cked by 20 drunks a day. You'd be ok with that?

EmmetSpiceland

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Hah. Maybe she is I know next to nothing about her except the work she now does. And I only know that because I recently decided to browse around twitch for a few hours for the first time

My point was that whether she is a wonderful person or an absolutely horrible person - she is certainly articulate and functional and successful which was a contrast to the point of the user I was replying to.

I only recognised her from her role on the TV show ‘Entourage’, which she was pretty good in.

Reckon the “issue” with most on here is that there is a strong dislike, and resentment, towards woman being successful or taking control of their lives.

Pigsaw

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Actually, I'd say the reverse is true - there's so much of this stuff out there that it will be impossible to find anything in the future - needle in the haystack, hidden in pain sight.
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Very naive view of the internet.

Pigsaw

Pigsaw wrote: »

So your daughter, who I'm sure you love and treasure, ends up in a whorehouse getting f*cked by 20 drunks a day. You'd be ok with that?

It depends what you mean by "ok with that". There are any number of careers I would _personally_ prefer my kids do not get into. I would not like them to be front line marines in an army for example. I would not like them to spend their lives cleaning toilets or flipping McDonalds hamburgers. I would not like them to be the people who go around repossessing the property of poor unfortunate people who could not make their bills. I would not like to see them be a reality TV star on some of the crass reality shows TV has today. Given the hard life - bad pay - and physical agony I probably would not want my daughter to be a ballerina either.

My role as a parent however is to separate myself from what I do or do not want them to become personally - and to ensure they have the right tools to make those decisions for themselves when the time comes. To support them as best I can in the decisions they make. And if they decide they made the wrong decision - to support them the best I can in back tracking and finding a new path in their life.

What I am "ok with" or not I see my role as a parent to be to keep out of many parts of the equation. Ultimately as a parent I have one goal - that they forge a life for themselves that makes _them_ happy. And I will use every tool in my arsenal to ensure they can do that effectively. Whether that be as a neuro surgeon - a McDonalds burger flipper - or a sex worker.

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There's not a hope the irish girl is making 20k a month

Pigsaw

I'd rather my daughter flips burgers than spend all day getting fcuked and abused by men in the brothel.

Guess I'm old fashioned.

Meilani Full Soloist

Meilani Full Soloist wrote: »

There's not a hope the irish girl is making 20k a month

Ah you never know. "Irish" sells well. Be it in our sexier women - or in Muscians like Van Morrison who cashed in quite well on selling good music but also the mystical side of his irish heritage to the Americas. I would not jump to believe the 20k figure - but I would not rush to disbelieve it either without some evidence.

EmmetSpiceland

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I only recognised her from her role on the TV show ‘Entourage’, which she was pretty good in.

Reckon the “issue” with most on here is that there is a strong dislike, and resentment, towards woman being successful or taking control of their lives.

Here's the knight with his abundance of quotation marks.

There are some valid criticisms and concerns with choices women make without it being resentment and certainly without being sexist.

It is concerning how you seem to invent sexism and misogyny where none exists.

Pigsaw

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Here's the knight with his abundance of quotation marks.

There are some valid criticisms and concerns with choices women make without it being resentment and certainly without being sexist.

It is concerning how you seem to invent sexism and misogyny where none exists.

Bet he gets laid like a rockstar. Nothing sexier than a white knight.

Pigsaw

Pigsaw wrote: »

I'd rather my daughter flips burgers than spend all day getting fcuked and abused by men in the brothel.

Guess I'm old fashioned.

That's fine. You do you! Notice how I am not judging your standards or saying you are wrong or throwing our empty "get real man" statements that add nothing?

Clearly we have different metrics by which we judge our role as a parent. And that is fine.

Again my metric is simple. I want my children to be happy with _their_ choices for _their_ lives. If they do that - then what I would personally "rather" could not be less relevant to me.

All I can do as a parent is give them the best education and other tools to achieve that. And I think I train and educate my kids rather well - especially if I allow myself to compare to other parents I see who - many of them - do bugger all aside from ensuring they get to school each day.

My daughter is barely 10 and she has a high standard in martial arts - dance - can fire guns - can do all kinds of electric work and car repair - helps me in home farming - plays music - writes - helps with charity work - has a good circle of friends - meditates - does science with me as a hobby - and much more.

If she gets to 18 and chooses sex work then I have little doubt based on her current development that she will do so for the right reasons and of her own volition and for her own happiness.

Pigsaw

Not gonna bother quoting you post Tax. We obviously have very different viewpoints on what makes a good father. I would consider preventing your child from considering prostitution to be pretty basic stuff.

seamus

Pigsaw wrote: »

Not gonna bother quoting you post Tax. We obviously have very different viewpoints on what makes a good father. I would consider preventing your child from considering prostitution to be pretty basic stuff.

The problem is that you're presuming all women who choose sex work do so out of extreme desperation and that all sex work is violent encounters with disrespectful scumbags.

This is largely the basis of the lobby that seeks to criminalise sex work, and ironically exactly the attitude that causes sex work to be a dangerous and taboo profession.

Pigsaw

Pigsaw wrote: »

Not gonna bother quoting you post Tax. We obviously have very different viewpoints on what makes a good father. I would consider preventing your child from considering prostitution to be pretty basic stuff.

Sounds almost like mind control to me. Not my bag to be honest. Whatever I do think my role as a parent might be or not be - the idea that I could stop them "considering" anything in the privacy of their own free mind is pretty out there.

Our kids are going to think about - and consider - all kinds of things we might not like. The best we can do is ensure they have the best possible software running on their neck-top computers to run when considering anything in their life.

I am not there to mould or forge my child's life for them. They have to do that for themselves and I have to accept their choices are going to be their choices. All I can do as a parent is ensure they are as capable as possible when making such decisions. And I will judge my success as a parent in how well I achieve that. Not in what _their_ choices ultimately turn out to be.

All I want is for them to be happy. I would prefer my child be happy having sex with 200 people a year then to be the worlds top neuro-surgeon and to be absolutely miserable in it. I care that they are happy. With few exceptions I do not care about the _how_ they get there.

Pigsaw

seamus wrote: »

The problem is that you're presuming all women who choose sex work do so out of extreme desperation and that all sex work is violent encounters with disrespectful scumbags.

Most of them are. Plenty of prostitutes available on escorts Ireland right now. Weird how they're still choosing to whore during a pandemic?

Feisar

Deleted User wrote: »

Hah. Maybe she is I know next to nothing about her except the work she now does. And I only know that because I recently decided to browse around twitch for a few hours for the first time

My point was that whether she is a wonderful person or an absolutely horrible person - she is certainly articulate and functional and successful which was a contrast to the point of the user I was replying to.

And point taken, especially as regards a documentary having a slant. However I'm not wrong in terms of the types of upbringings most sex workers would have had.

HotDudeLife

Deleted User wrote: »

That's fine. You do you! Notice how I am not judging your standards or saying you are wrong or throwing our empty "get real man" statements that add nothing?

Clearly we have different metrics by which we judge our role as a parent. And that is fine.

Again my metric is simple. I want my children to be happy with _their_ choices for _their_ lives. If they do that - then what I would personally "rather" could not be less relevant to me.

All I can do as a parent is give them the best education and other tools to achieve that. And I think I train and educate my kids rather well - especially if I allow myself to compare to other parents I see who - many of them - do bugger all aside from ensuring they get to school each day.

My daughter is barely 10 and she has a high standard in martial arts - dance - can fire guns - can do all kinds of electric work and car repair - helps me in home farming - plays music - writes - helps with charity work - has a good circle of friends - meditates - does science with me as a hobby - and much more.

If she gets to 18 and chooses sex work then I have little doubt based on her current development that she will do so for the right reasons and of her own volition and for her own happiness.

I don't even know where to begin, i am assuming troll because i never encounter such delusional brain washed feminine men IRL.

HotDudeLife

spook_cook wrote: »

Unless they're shipping all their money to some e-girl

But you are onto something, we're what about a decade away from realistic sex bots and VR and all that jazz? Then the simp eco-system could move away from funding online women. What will they do then?

The government might be forced to bail out e-girls.

#BrazzersLifesMatter

HotDudeLife

Posters like Tax would want you to believe gender is a social construct, these people are dangerous to humanity.

BorneTobyWilde

Meilani Full Soloist wrote: »

There's not a hope the irish girl is making 20k a month

It's like a tax in a way, 2500 Subs paying a lousy 10$ a month. Not at if two guys are giving her 10 grand each.
It's a numbers game. The girl in the corner shop is selling to the people on the corner.

The girl with the OF account is selling to a world wide audience of 8 Billion, from Australia, to Alaska, The Congo to Paris, that's the draw

Feisar

HotDudeLife wrote: »

I don't even know where to begin, i am assuming troll because i never encounter such delusional brain washed feminine men IRL.

By the sounds of it he's doing everything he can to raise a child the best way he can.
What's feminine about his POV?

HotDudeLife

HotDudeLife wrote: »

Posters like Tax would want you to believe gender is a social construct, these people are dangerous to humanity.

In fairness to Tax, I think his posts on this topic have been quite reasonable and not an entirely unhealthy attitude to have.

And this is coming from me, who has been painted as some alt right monster by some of the usual suspects around here so I don't see how you took that from what was said. I haven't read the whole thread so maybe i missed something.

B.A._Baracus

There's a term called "mark"
- In professional wrestling it was a derogatory term, used by those within the business, to describe fans. Ie, fans who thought it was real = Marks. The term in wrestling is still around but has since been expanded upon.
- In magic and con-artists, it's defined as a "subject for a con game"
- It originated in Carnival games (a slang) in America over 100+ years ago.


So with that said, if you pay anyone on OnlyFans or cam girls or anything like that. You are a mark.

paw patrol

Pigsaw wrote: »

If your child ends up as prostitute then you've failed massively as a parent.

although we are on the same side of the argument on this thread , i don't agree that an adult child's choice are a reflection of your parenting.
You can't be accountable for another's choices even if they are your child - once they become an adult.

Pigsaw

Pigsaw wrote: »

Most of them are.

Citations needed.

Pigsaw wrote: »

Plenty of prostitutes available on escorts Ireland right now. Weird how they're still choosing to whore during a pandemic?

Perhaps what is "weird" is assuming that they see their work any different to anyone else? Most of us seem to want to continue to do the work that we do during the pandemic.

I do not see a sex worker wanting to keep working as being any more or less weird than a masseuse doing so - or a hair dresser - or a bar man - or anyone else.

Feisar

Feisar wrote: »

And point taken, especially as regards a documentary having a slant. However I'm not wrong in terms of the types of upbringings most sex workers would have had.

I do not know without actual figures rather than opinions.

But even then I wonder how much of it is "self selecting". We often push sex work into the black market by making it taboo or illegal. By doing this we select for particular people.

But sex work as a whole is too diverse to make sweeping comments. Especially if we are commenting on all porn as well. There is simply too much diversity there.

Remember even without the incentive of money many men and women do things like porn for _free_ solely because they actually want to do it and enjoy it. There are whole sites (Newbie nudes is the only one I know by name - only because it is the first one I ever encountered so the name stuck - but there are many many more) dedicated to people making porn for all to see - for absolutely no financial incentive at all. Many of them do it because they want to do it. Which makes the narrative of people doing it for money only doing so out of desperation a little harder to swallow whole. Many people in porn would probably make the porn even if they were not being paid for it.

RedDeadRedemption is a you tuber who was a sex worker. She has a video on why she quit sex work. She identified problems in the industry that drove her away in the end. But she was clear that she did the work too because she enjoyed it and had a lot of fun doing it. She sees it as a good industry with bad things that need fixing. But many industries and services can be described that way can they not? The article I linked to before from the "top paid" irish sex worker too - she was clear it was her choice and she was happy with it.

The best we can do as a society is ensure that people do not get into sex work for the wrong reasons. And to best support people who want out of it. But I would say that about any work. I do not see getting into sex work as a tradgedy. I see spending your life doing work you want to get out of - or never wanted to get into - as a tradgedy. So an ideal for me is a society where people can change career path as easily as possible. I support anything that promotes that ideal.

But I do not think we get there if we make too many assumptions about the people - or their backgrounds - who get into any particular work. They are as diverse as the people in any other industry. The Army always springs to mind as an example there. Many people like to think of marines as meat heads who couldnt make it anywhere else for example. Many in fact likely are. But an hour listening to Jokko Willink would divest them of that generalised assumption. He is more educated and intelligent and articulate that most posters on this forum myself included. So are many sex workers and porn stars. So are some people in McDonalds or cleaning toilets.

HotDudeLife

HotDudeLife wrote: »

Posters like Tax would want you to believe gender is a social construct, these people are dangerous to humanity.

I have never expressed that position anywhere no. Straw man much ?

I actually take it as a compliment on the strength of my position that the best you can do against it is ignore it entirely - and attack a completely unrelated tangent that has nothing to do with me other than you signing my name to it.