Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 3 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

Danno wrote: »

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2020/02/26/laois-v-kilkenny-national-league-game-switched-to-umpc-nowlan-park/

It's a wonder another pitch in Laois wasn't used instead?

I don't think they've another ground that's capable of it. Most club grounds in Laois don't even have a small stand. Virtually every game of importance is played in OMP.

So a cruciate injury-enforced break is now deemed a good thing! That’s ridiculous.

Good Lord
4 cruciates in one family before any of them even reach 21
That's horrendous bad luck

I see Kevin's brother Ray Moran is yet again the surgeon
That is some operation he has up in Santry, but cruciates would keep a medium sized clinic going on their own
An absolute modern plague for athletes

Has any analysis been done to verify hurlers are in highest risk category?
It certainly seems that way but could be just I have a higher interest in it and maybe notice the frequency more

Also, I would have thought with pitches nowadays in much better shape, this would help reduce incidence of cruciatre type injuries.

No expert, so just throwing out a few questions

Injuries are unfortunate especially long term ones.We're all dissapointed that we wont have adrian this year.What some lads were trying to say is he has a huge amount of hurling done at a high level for a 20 year old.He has being on the go since he left kierans,county u20,seniors and two club all ireland.Hopefully he can make a full recovery and come back refreshed.best of luck to him.
On the match sunday laois are safe so attention will turn to the summer and probably why eddie decided to give up home advantage.Laois haven't played much in nowlan park in recent years so they will use this as a rehearsal when they arrive in the summer.
On ourselves cody said we might have padraig back but will mostly be the same squad.Maybe he might get a few runs in midfield.
Darren mullen looked very comfortable against clare and should be close to nailing down a starting place in the summer.Wallace has being improving and it's good to get league time into buckley and richie.
We mixed the good with the poor against clare and it's the second match we looked to have being in a good position but let it slip and somewhat lucky to get a draw despite having the last chance.maybe we are lacking a few senior players to close these games out.
Team I'd like to see
Brennan
Mullen,lawlor,wallace
Delaney,deegan,buckley
Leahy,maher
Murphy,Donnelly,wally
Billy,hogan,cody
Hope we will see blanchfield and brassil back soon both were hurling well before getting injured.Id also like to see shane walsh or James bergin getting a taste.

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Kil v Laois
D Brennan
T Walsh H Lawlor C Wallace
C Delaney P Walsh D Mullen
R Leahy J Maher
M Keoghan E Cody A Murphy
B Ryan W Walsh G Aylward
Subs
J Holden
C Browne
E Morrissey
M Carey
M Cody
T Kenny
B Sheehan
L Scanlon
J Bergin
S Walsh
A Nolan

No sub goalie?

Ok Eoin Murphy will be in goal, Tommy Walsh has not secured his place. Hue Lawlor will be full back , Wallace appears to have secured his place. Delaney appears to have secured his place. Padraigh is back where he should be and should be left there, Darren Mullen has everything to play for. Leahy and Maher are in their positions but one will lose out to Fogarty when push comes to shove and finally we will have TJ Reid, Colin Fennelly, John Donnelly and Billy Ryan certain starters come championship than likely Waltar and Ritchie Hogan joining them. The subs do not appear to have many unknowns or new comers so the status quo remains.
So
Murphy
Walsh Lawlor Wallace
Delaney Walsh Mullen
Leahy Fogarty
Reid Donnelly Waltar
Ryan Fennelly Hogan
These appear to be our championship starters which of course means nothing changing from 7 to 15 from last year. They were not good enough in 18 or 19 and I do not see what has made them any different this year. And no they are not young lads any more, most are 22 or 23 and saying the likes of Taggy and Eddie Brennan had to serve 4/5 years apprenticeships before becoming regulars is as false a narrative as can be expounded. Remarkable hurlers kept them off the team and noting else. This is not the case now.It is a sorry state when you know if any of the starting six are not firing there is no one among the subs you can really depend on to make an impact.We have not been as toothless for a long long time

davidx40 wrote: »

How in the name of god can you say Billy Ryan is a certain starter .....what has he done

Simple, he has played in every single league game so the management obviously rate him above all of the rest. I never said I was impressed. I have been complaining about how many chances many of the current crop have been given having said that Billy after John Donnelly has been has been about the best of a very ordinary group who are just not good enough and as long as they put themselves forward we do have a right to state an opinion. We must respect the effort they put in but not to the point that we cannot express an opinion that may hurt some feelings. TJ Reid at 32 years of age is our main forward with no one within an asses roar of even challenging him for that position shows how far from grace we have fallen

Good run out to a few fringe players.We played with the strong wind in the first half built up a big lead.billy ryan and alan Murphy with the goals I think.Eoin cody grew into the game and took over the frees after half time when murphy went off.Dispatched a penalty Wally won.Laois to their credit never gave up and played some good ball into their full foward line in the first half and dunphy at 14 caused early bother but huw improved.brennan made two good saves and also scored a free or two.laois scored a few long range points at the start of the 2nd half but the penalty killed it off
Wallace hovered up a good bit of ball and made a few big runs.looking forward to see him on better opposition.Aylward and billy ryan tried hard I thought...bergin got a nice point when he came on but scanlon and sheehan struggled to win the ball that was drove into them.

Laois to their credit didnt drop the head they stayed at it.It must be said darren brennan made two very good saves aswell in the first half.dunphy and ross king were left with space in side and got good quality ball into space and caused us trouble.i think all our fowards scored in the first half and we were about ten points up but we were poor in the second half and the delivery of ball into small lads like scanlon and Sheehan was poor.We could take a leaf out of Eddie's book with the ball they were giving the fowards
Eoin cody was the bright spark today and was confident taking the frees despite not taking them for his club.The next day will tell us a little bit more about these lads although the league this year is missing the intensity of previous years.

1-19 against Laois. What would Linerick, Tipp, Galway or Cork score against us. We are going nowhere this year. Out of league come the next game

mullinr2 wrote: »

1-19 against Laois. What would Linerick, Tipp, Galway or Cork score against us. We are going nowhere this year. Out of league come the next game

In fairness Limerick didn't blow away Westmeath today, and this Laois team are not the whipping boys they once were. At the end of the day it's only the league.
Eoin Cody and Wallace look like good additions and I love Billy Ryan's eye for goal and think he needs to be starting come championship.

citykat wrote: »

Nobody comes back better and stronger from a cruciate. Such a claim is utterly ridiculous. Most athletes should make a near full recovery but will never get back 100% to where they were. Why randomers are trying to be positive about such a horrible injury beats me. There is nothing positive in it.[/QUOT


you are purposely misinterpreting the point here..........nobody for one second is suggesting the injury is a good thing to happen. I most certainly was looking forward to see AM further develop this year with Kilkenny and his natural talent and scoring abilities will be near impossible replace. But on a wider context people are trying to acknowledge that with long term injuries there can other elements within the body and mental side of things that can be enhanced during a period of enforced rest. Also you cannot argue with the fact the lad has been hurling from such a young age non stop the last 4-5 years and the sports scientists will tell you what potential long term damage that can do..........

you say nobody comes back better and stronger.........well Henry did a pretty good job after his cruciate injury in 2010 to pick up HOTY in 2012. For me given AM age and natural talent i think there plenty of reason to be optimistic that despite the injury..........his best years are most certainly still to come

Just a curious observation from the last two weekends. For the Clare match Wally was the nominated captain, lead the team out and went up for the toss, despite the fact that there was two Shamrocks players, the Mullen brothers, on the pitch. Didn't think much of it as the two Shamrocks lads are young and Wally was the most experienced starter.

But then yesterday Wally once again started but Eoin Cody was the nominated captain despite the fact that he was making his first senior start and is two years younger than Darren Mullen.

Also noted that Paddy Deegan did the warm up with Darren Brennan despite the fact that he wasn't listed on the 26 that was named Friday night. That's dedication for ya, coming into work on his day off!!😂

Noddy33 wrote: »

citykat wrote: »

Nobody comes back better and stronger from a cruciate. Such a claim is utterly ridiculous. Most athletes should make a near full recovery but will never get back 100% to where they were. Why randomers are trying to be positive about such a horrible injury beats me. There is nothing positive in it.[/QUOT


you are purposely misinterpreting the point here..........nobody for one second is suggesting the injury is a good thing to happen. I most certainly was looking forward to see AM further develop this year with Kilkenny and his natural talent and scoring abilities will be near impossible replace. But on a wider context people are trying to acknowledge that with long term injuries there can other elements within the body and mental side of things that can be enhanced during a period of enforced rest. Also you cannot argue with the fact the lad has been hurling from such a young age non stop the last 4-5 years and the sports scientists will tell you what potential long term damage that can do..........

you say nobody comes back better and stronger.........well Henry did a pretty good job after his cruciate injury in 2010 to pick up HOTY in 2012. For me given AM age and natural talent i think there plenty of reason to be optimistic that despite the injury..........his best years are most certainly still to come

You've just confirmed how ludicrous your original point was.
Try talking to somebody who's gone through this injury. Ask them how they got on with 'the body and mental side of things'. Anybody I've spoken to about it only talks about the pain, discomfort, discommotion, lost earnings, lost opportunities, loss of fitness, the battle to regain fitness. There is nothing positive or reflective about all of that.
As for your and others contention about coming back better, it's medically impossible to come back stronger from this injury. A lot of players have performed to a high level after this injury. That is a testament to their determination and physiological makeup. If it was possible to come back stronger from a cruciate injury, by your logic every budding sportsperson should have both cruciates done as soon as they hit puberty.