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Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

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  • #6932
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Can these people not be deported if they offend here?
    It should also be a condition of entry into the country.
    Commit crime and you will be sent back home.

    It is a condition for immigrants not sure about refugees

    its just never enforced for fear of causing offence and because of massive litigation costs and near endless appeals


  • #6933
    Bobblehats
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    How? They are born and bred here.

    We need to start acknowledging these kids as fellow countrymen to fully realise the damage done by our very own.... seeds are being sown and they will continue to disperse across the land.


  • #6934
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Looks like the next generation have decided to forgo the gangland business in favour of the compo business :D:D:D

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/five-friends-settle-defamation-case-after-restaurant-accused-them-of-not-paying-for-meal-38133878.html

    These gangsters now Christian have names like Corrie and Ashford? My word. To the the Worst Names Thread.


  • #6935
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/knives-scalpel-hammer-among-weapons-16306999
    Knives, scalpel and hammer among weapons seized by gardai from teens in North Dublin


  • #6936
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,845 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Can these people not be deported if they offend here?
    It should also be a condition of entry into the country.
    Commit crime and you will be sent back home.

    Don’t expect any of the mainstream political parties to ever contemplate such a move.

    There are smaller parties who might legislate for it.

    Vote wisely ppl


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  • #6937
    tomwaits48
    Registered Users Posts: 861 ✭✭✭tomwaits48


    Utter scumbags.


  • #6938
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Again I ask, how is he different to any other scumbag youth?


  • #6939
    not yet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    They are seriously messed up people

    They seem to reject Irish culture, their background culture (I mean west African, Central African, Middle East, Asian, whatever) and instead cling like barnacles to some British commuter town gang rubbish.

    They are a laughable embarrassment to themselves - no wonder they are looked down upon everywhere they go

    Is it cause we're black..


  • #6940
    not yet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Can these people not be deported if they offend here?
    It should also be a condition of entry into the country.
    Commit crime and you will be sent back home.

    They're Irish innit..


  • #6941
    refusetolose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭refusetolose


    whats the problem?

    they were accused of not paying when they did pay


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  • #6942
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Don’t expect any of the mainstream political parties to ever contemplate such a move.

    There are smaller parties who might legislate for it.

    Vote wisely ppl


    What are you talking about? It's already legislated for. A person here on a visa can be denied a renewal or an application for citizenship if they have a criminal record.


  • #6943
    98q76e12hrflnk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭98q76e12hrflnk


    MrFresh wrote: »
    What are you talking about? It's already legislated for. A person here on a visa can be denied a renewal or an application for citizenship if they have a criminal record.

    Just because they can doesnt mean they will


  • #6944
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,845 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    MrFresh wrote: »
    What are you talking about? It's already legislated for. A person here on a visa can be denied a renewal or an application for citizenship if they have a criminal record.

    No interest in debating you mrfresh. I know yer type-off with ye


  • #6945
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Can these people not be deported if they offend here?
    It should also be a condition of entry into the country.
    Commit crime and you will be sent back home.

    That's the kind of talk that will end you up in Zappones Ministry of Reprogramming


  • #6946
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    declan2693 wrote: »
    Just because they can doesnt mean they will


    Except they do.

    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    No interest in debating you mrfresh. I know yer type-off with ye


    Yes, I imagine it's tough to debate someone who can point out you are factually incorrect. Really must cramp your style when you can't freely spread falsehoods.


  • #6947
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,845 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Except they do.





    Yes, I imagine it's tough to debate someone who can point out you are factually incorrect. Really must cramp your style when you can't freely spread falsehoods.

    What falsehoods?


  • #6948
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    What falsehoods?


    This one.

    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Don’t expect any of the mainstream political parties to ever contemplate such a move.


  • #6949
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,363 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Can these people not be deported if they offend here?
    It should also be a condition of entry into the country.
    Commit crime and you will be sent back home.

    Obviously you can't be deported if you born in Ireland. But Ireland has been deporting lots of people for years..many who committed no crime. This story from a decade ago https://www.indymedia.ie/article/92126?userlanguage=ga&save_prefs=true


  • #6950
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,845 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    MrFresh wrote: »
    This one.

    Show me how that is a falsehood


  • #6951
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Show me how that is a falsehood


    The legislation you were speaking of is already in place and was introduced by a mainstream party.


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  • #6952
    not yet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    What falsehoods?

    Don't, He'll grind you down with his version of reality, just don't, you'll only end up smashing your head against a wall..


  • #6953
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,845 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    MrFresh wrote: »
    The legislation you were speaking of is already in place and was introduced by a mainstream party.

    Deporting young men who have spent most of their lives here and may have residence or even citizenship?

    Show me that legislation please?

    Or else stop talking absolute scutter


  • #6954
    SporadicMan
    Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭SporadicMan


    The sad thing is that I just continue to hold out on some misguided hope that this will all just be sorted out by people 'in charge'.

    Yet the sentiment just isn't there. Even in the media, they barely report on it. The general society just doesn't care either.

    I feel horrible for the people who have to live in **** areas like Clonee, Tyrellstown, etc.

    Even Swords is becoming a bit of a ****hole / dangerous. It was a bit **** in the past but it's getting worse.

    I'm a bit fearful for the future here in Dublin. I'm not one to scare easy or scaremonger, but I am not seeing any positives when I look at the youth of the country. These gangs seem fearless, and seem to have zero regard at all for others. These crimes are escalating every time they happen, soon there'll be regular murders and stabbings and we'll go onto accept it as normal. Areas in London didn't magically become like they are now, they got there through lack of sentiment to resolve it early.

    I'm scared for my parents. They're getting on now. They live in North Co. Dublin and it terrifies me that their area might end up being riddled with this type of crime too.


  • #6955
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Deporting young men who have spent most of their lives here and may have residence or even citizenship?

    Show me that legislation please?

    Or else stop talking absolute scutter


    Minister has the power to deport non nationals



    Immigration Act 1999 Section 3


    The power to revoke citizenship has been a power available since the 1956 Act



    We even had a referendum to give the government power to deport children born to immigrants in the state.


    Last year the government attempted to deport a child to China despite him having no personal connection to the place.


    Any other laws you need?


  • #6956
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,845 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Minister has the power to deport non nationals



    Immigration Act 1999 Section 3


    The power to revoke citizenship has been a power available since the 1956 Act



    We even had a referendum to give the government power to deport children born to immigrants in the state.


    Last year the government attempted to deport a child to China despite him having no personal connection to the place.


    Any other laws you need?

    So all these guys will be stripped off their citizenship and sent packing back to wherever yeah?

    Yeah right. Stop deluding yerself.


  • #6957
    Dirkziggler
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Dirkziggler


    tomwaits48 wrote: »
    Utter scumbags.

    Why exactly none of them kids have a conviction between them.


  • #6958
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    So all these guys will be stripped off their citizenship and sent packing back to wherever yeah?

    Yeah right. Stop deluding yerself.


    What you're doing now is the logical fallacies of moving the goalposts, strawman argument and reductio ad absurdum. Having realised you were wrong about the legislation and will of government, rather than accept you were wrong, you have instead moved the argument to the extreme claim that all "these guys" will be deported, a claim nobody made. The fact remains that the legislation is there and the government uses it when necessary, as evidenced by the number of asylum refusal, deportation orders and refusals of visas. Maybe if you could narrow down who "these guys" are I could help you understand further.


  • #6959
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,845 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Can these people not be deported if they offend here?
    It should also be a condition of entry into the country.
    Commit crime and you will be sent back home.

    Address the original point please mrfresh

    Ps. Read it slowly and carefully before typing your response.


  • #6960
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/less-than-a-fifth-of-deportation-orders-carried-out-1.3680876%3Fmode=amp


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  • #6961
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Address the original point please mrfresh

    Ps. Read it slowly and carefully before typing your response.


    I did. Non-nationals and citizens can be deported. It is a condition of entry. The minister has the discretion to deport them and has deported many people.


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