Incident at Roscommon hotel (asylum seekers)

Kivaro · 22-03-2019 3:33pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

People on here are making it sound like the entire citizens of Rooskey had secret meetings and then the entire town/village gathered together and did the deed. Far more likely imo that one or two acted alone, without anyone else having a clue what was going to happen. Of the rest I'm sure they had their own opinions & concerns coupled with curiosity as to how the new situation would all work out but like most people they would have let it happen. Maybe they are all happier now but still, apart from whoever did it, the rest of the population of Rooskey bear no responsibility for the actual arson.

The "people" that you refer to (liberal/left media, Sinn Fein, vocal social media posters etc.) do this for strategic reasons Mrsmum, and it is unfortunate that they go to these extremes.
On this thread, we had a poster saying that "well the reputation and appeal of Rooskey is destroyed now anyway".

I believe that 95% of the population of Ireland support the people of Rooskey. The next time I am in the area, I will stop and spend money there. It will be my sign of solidarity with the locals who were not consulted or adequately informed of the dramatic change that their government was forcing on them in order to accommodate North African and Asian economic migrant (mostly if not all) men.

From what I've read recently, this is only the tip of the iceberg for government plans to handle the enormous increase in asylum applications in the last 6 months. And this is before Brexit. Imagine the scenario when Brexit happens; there will be a flood of failed asylum seekers in the UK who will make an immediate move to Ireland. It is obvious that we do not have the systems in place to deal with such numbers. My suggestion would be not to make Ireland such a desirable location for non-genuine asylum seekers.

Kivaro · 22-03-2019 3:36pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

If someone you have on ignore is quoted by someone you don't have on ignore, you see the quote. So it is quite legit.

Thanks weldoninhio, but he knew that already.

He was trying to pull the wool over the eyes of people who might not have known that though. This is just one example of his disingenuous antics when he is losing a debate, and it is one of the reasons why I have him on ignore.

Del.Monte · 22-03-2019 3:38pm

The population of Rooskey is about 550 and therefore it is a small village. You can be sure that the hotel owners were the only people going to make much out of this Direct Provision scam scheme.

Quality hotels countrywide such as the Montague http://www.montagueresidents.yolasite.com in Portlaoise have been coining it for years on the backs of immigrants. Not to mention the myriad of property owners letting out their slums flats in every town in the country. As Arthur Daley would have said "a nice little earner".

AllForIt · 22-03-2019 4:30pm

handlemaster wrote: »

Truly sad to see this reaction from a county with a long history of its people looking for shelter, work and prosperity in other countries.

The Irish moved to countries with a similar cultural background. Not Iraq, not Morocco, not Pakistan etc.

Until you can show that Muslim countries accepted Irish immigrants with open arms, allowed them to live in their country as if they were living in their own country, your point is completely invalid.

Beta Ray Bill · 22-03-2019 4:49pm

AllForIt wrote: »

The Irish moved to countries with a similar cultural background. Not Iraq, not Morocco, not Pakistan etc.

Until you can show that Muslim countries accepted Irish immigrants with open arms, allowed them to live in their country as if they were living in their own country, your point is completely invalid.

Even at that, the Irish that emigrated in decades past were never welcomed anywhere.

It's just the way things are.

If person X is very culturally different to a person Y, X and Y will not mix no matter how hard the powers that be try to make them integrate.

mikemac2 · 22-03-2019 4:54pm

AllForIt wrote: »

The Irish moved to countries with a similar cultural background. Not Iraq, not Morocco, not Pakistan etc.

Until you can show that Muslim countries accepted Irish immigrants with open arms, allowed them to live in their country as if they were living in their own country, your point is completely invalid.

Catholics were the lowest of the low in early 19th century America. WASP's held the power and indeed still do

22-03-2019 5:14pm

We might like to think that the Irish who emigrated to the US in the 19th century were cultural similar but that is not how their their hosts saw it, eg :

" In the new Irish exiles, however, many Protestants saw a papal plot at work. According to “Conspiracy Theories in American History: An Encyclopedia,” some Protestants feared the pope and his army would land in the United States, overthrow the government and establish a new Vatican in Cincinnati. They believed the Irish would impose the Catholic canon as the law of the land.....

The Irish in Boston were for a long time “fated to remain a massive lump in the community, undigested, undigestible,” according to historian Oscar Handlin, author of “Boston’s Immigrants, 1790-1880: A Study in Acculturation.”......

The image of the simian Irishman, imported from Victorian England, was given new life by the pens of illustrators such as Thomas Nast that dripped with prejudice as they sketched Celtic ape-men with sloping foreheads and monstrous appearances."

https://www.history.com/news/when-america-despised-the-irish-the-19th-centurys-refugee-crisis

Boggles · 22-03-2019 5:51pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

If someone you have on ignore is quoted by someone you don't have on ignore, you see the quote. So it is quite legit.

I know that thanks, generally though you wouldn't talk about the person you have on ignore ad nauseum.

See below for most recent example.

Kivaro wrote: »

Thanks weldoninhio, but he knew that already.

He was trying to pull the wool over the eyes of people who might not have known that though. This is just one example of his disingenuous antics when he is losing a debate, and it is one of the reasons why I have him on ignore.

Creepy.

handlemaster · 22-03-2019 7:05pm

El_Bee wrote: »

handlemaster wrote: »

Truly sad to see this reaction from a county with a long history of its people looking for shelter, work and prosperity in other countries.

We're a small nation who literally cannot look after the people who are in the country as it is.

whisky_galore wrote: »

Yeah, like burning down something because you don't agree with it is such a reasonable course of action. *Insert roll eyes*

declan2693 wrote: »

Whatever gets the job done. The people won.

First of all, attack the government for putting those people there, not the people themselves, no one "won" here, and second, I've already asked but I'll ask again, has the investigation been concluded and were the results of the investigation arson, do not reply with "sure what else would it be".

Will you give over, we are small but rich by international standards. Not even the irish want to live in Rooskey. Its not about not , it's the future.

malinheader · 22-03-2019 7:14pm

This is being blew out of all proportion by the media, claiming racist firebombers got their way.
Listening to people who help and support these migrants saying that direct provision centres are not the answer and wrong. They also stated that it was neither fair on the migrants or the communities they were being placed in. The simple and true answer here is the government finally seen sense.

Hotblack Desiato · 22-03-2019 7:22pm

Yeah right.

The only way to avoid having more DP centres is to massively increase the rate of deportations.

So have they dropped plans for the non-firebombed DP centres as well, then?

malinheader · 22-03-2019 7:27pm

We will have to wait and see. Everyone knows that DP centres don't and are not going to work.

Boggles · 22-03-2019 7:32pm

malinheader wrote: »

We will have to wait and see. Everyone knows that DP centres don't and are not going to work.

The one in Lisdoonvarna is doing fine by all accounts.

Just got an extension for another 6 months.

malinheader · 22-03-2019 7:39pm

Boggles wrote: »

The one in Lisdoonvarna is doing fine by all accounts.

Just got an extension for another 6 months.

Well the people who care and look after these migrants are all condemning the DP centres.
I suppose we have that many migrants know we will have to keep these centres going until a solution is found.
Best quote I heard yesterday was from a woman who looked after these people saying, how can you place a large number of people in areas where there is no amenities or acceptable services for the existing community.

Widdershins · 22-03-2019 7:43pm

Arson is one of the vilest crimes . Doesn't matter what you think of someones religious beliefs, attitude to women or the validity of the asylum applications . Shouldn't there be a red line people won't, without exception , cross or justify other people crossing .

nice_guy80 · 22-03-2019 7:44pm

Nobody thought of the few local small schools who would had to accommodate all these new children
Probably in prefabs
No English spoken
No extra resources put into them for language and other complex needs

Boggles · 22-03-2019 7:52pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Nobody thought of the few local small schools who would had to accommodate all these new children

The local schools around me are roaring for Children, if they don't get a certain amount they will either lose a teacher or be shut down and forced to amalgamate.

In Lisdoonvarna they took on more staff for the local creche.

Jobs - money, etc.

But sure...Refugees...it's all bad.

malinheader · 22-03-2019 7:57pm

Boggles wrote: »

The local schools around me are roaring for Children, if they don't get a certain amount they will either lose a teacher or be shut down and forced to amalgamate.

In Lisdoonvarna they took on more staff for the local creche.

Jobs - money, etc.

But sure...Refugees...it's all bad.

You make it sound like heaven.
Why are the schools looking for kids. Where have all the locals gone. Or why have they gone.
Lisdoonvara must be booming.

Boggles · 22-03-2019 8:30pm

malinheader wrote: »

Why are the schools looking for kids.

Not enough kids in the catchment area.

El_Bee · 22-03-2019 8:33pm

handlemaster wrote: »

Will you give over, we are small but rich by international standards.

Our economy is about the size of Manchester's, without the multinationals and the EU we'd be Europes only 3rd world country.

Jamie2k9 · 22-03-2019 8:33pm

Toxic Sphere wrote: »

And in Germany there's an Iraqi on trial for raping and murdering a 14 year old German girl. And there's a pack of Syrians going on trial for gang raping an 18 year old girl.

But sure, refugees...its all good, amirite?

Irish media also silent on 10 lovely people arrested in Frankfurt today....

malinheader · 22-03-2019 8:45pm

Boggles wrote: »

Not enough kids in the catchment area.

And the rest ??

Boggles · 22-03-2019 8:46pm

El_Bee wrote: »

Our economy is about the size of Manchester's, without the multinationals and the EU we'd be Europes only 3rd world country.

No it isn't, stop talking complete nonsense.

Boggles · 22-03-2019 8:47pm

malinheader wrote: »

And the rest ??

The rest what?

El_Bee · 22-03-2019 8:48pm

Boggles wrote: »

No it isn't, stop talking complete nonsense.

Yes it is, stop trying to one up everyone and "win" the thread, you've been here for hours, go outside.

Boggles · 22-03-2019 8:49pm

El_Bee wrote: »

Yes it is

Grand so.

Sure your figures.

rossie1977 · 22-03-2019 9:00pm

El_Bee wrote: »

Our economy is about the size of Manchester's, without the multinationals and the EU we'd be Europes only 3rd world country.

Iceland's economy is about 1/25th the size of Ireland, it's not in EU, is far more isolated than Ireland yet it's not 3rd world

Kermit.de.frog · 22-03-2019 9:03pm

El_Bee wrote: »

Our economy is about the size of Manchester's, without the multinationals and the EU we'd be Europes only 3rd world country.

Erm, not even close.

Greater Manchester has a total GDP of €74.398 bn

(Republic) Ireland GDP $366.448 billion (nominal, 2018 est)

Hotblack Desiato · 22-03-2019 11:32pm

malinheader wrote: »

You make it sound like heaven.
Why are the schools looking for kids. Where have all the locals gone. Or why have they gone.
Lisdoonvara must be booming.

Why are they looking for kids? Rural depopulation. FFS one week we have a story about rural post offices and shops closing down, the "death of towns", the next we have one complaining about people moving into rural towns, they're just not the right "sort" of people...

El_Bee wrote: »

Our economy is about the size of Manchester's, without the multinationals and the EU we'd be Europes only 3rd world country.

Well that's pretty dumb, it's like saying that without electricity we'd be sitting in the dark.

But here we are. Not sitting in the dark.

And our population is comparable to Manchester's, but our economy is way bigger.

nice_guy80 · 22-03-2019 11:49pm

Boggles wrote: »

The local schools around me are roaring for Children, if they don't get a certain amount they will either lose a teacher or be shut down and forced to amalgamate.

In Lisdoonvarna they took on more staff for the local creche.

Jobs - money, etc.

But sure...Refugees...it's all bad.

The local schools around Rooskey are quite full.
And wouldn't be able to cater for a sudden surge in numbers.

nice_guy80 · 22-03-2019 11:50pm

Thanks Merkel wrote: »

Why not house these migrants in an affluent part of Dublin?

That's how you lose an election

malinheader · 23-03-2019 2:42am

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Why are they looking for kids? Rural depopulation. FFS one week we have a story about rural post offices and shops closing down, the "death of towns", the next we have one complaining about people moving into rural towns, they're just not the right "sort" of people...

Rural depopulation your right. Why is there a death of towns. Either you really don't know the answer or just don't want to state why. So you really think if it was not good enough for the people who used to live in these towns it's going to be good enough for a crowd of people who are just being dropped onto these depopulated towns. Hey its out of sight out of mind

rgossip30 · 23-03-2019 3:33am

Boggles wrote: »

Burn down the centre?

Brilliant.

I'm pretty fooked off at the level of car tax I have to pay.

Should I burn down the motor tax office?

High income tax, my only line of protest is to burn down the Revenue Office?

Get up the yard, burning something down is not protest, it criminality.

The sooner they catch the racist scumbag the better.

Yes sad it has to come to this for a wake up call .

Kivaro · 23-03-2019 4:19am

There are (at least) a couple of NGO heads on here trying to persuade us that the mass migration of uneducated North African and Asian men will be a wonderful thing for Ireland.

They are telling us that they will fill up our rural schools and make Ireland a better place because the locals in rural locations will be employed in order to take care of these men at Direct Provisions centres all around the country.

They post from early morning to late at night espousing the benefits of economic migration from non-EU countries; mostly because of the money 'we' earn looking after them. Let's be clear; the only people doing well from this situation will be the vested NGO's and the asylum industry.

It is such a sad state of affairs. We should learn from what has happened all around Europe. Why do we think that Ireland will get it right? Putting a comparatively large North African/Asian contingent of economic migrants in a small village in Roscommon is indicative of the current government's strategy. It is beyond bonkers. And we should let our public representatives know that it is bonkers.

rgossip30 · 23-03-2019 6:33am

Kivaro wrote: »

There are (at least) a couple of NGO heads on here trying to persuade us that the mass migration of uneducated North African and Asian men will be a wonderful thing for Ireland.

They are telling us that they will fill up our rural schools and make Ireland a better place because the locals in rural locations will be employed in order to take care of these men at Direct Provisions centres all around the country.

They post from early morning to late at night espousing the benefits of economic migration from non-EU countries; mostly because of the money 'we' earn looking after them. Let's be clear; the only people doing well from this situation will be the vested NGO's and the asylum industry.

It is such a sad state of affairs. We should learn from what has happened all around Europe. Why do we think that Ireland will get it right? Putting a comparatively large North African/Asian contingent of economic migrants in a small village in Roscommon is indicative of the current government's strategy. It is beyond bonkers. And we should let our public representatives know that it is bonkers.

This no conspiracy theory that NGO philanthropists fund the Irish Immigration Council and The Irish Refugee Council .The government takes direction from them on reforms .Can't copy and paste links but Google funding for them.

pjohnson · 23-03-2019 9:45am

rgossip30 wrote: »

This no conspiracy theory that NGO philanthropists fund the Irish Immigration Council and The Irish Refugee Council .The government takes direction from them on reforms .Can't copy and paste links but Google funding for them.

Tommy/Gemma tell you this?

malinheader · 23-03-2019 10:26am

pjohnson wrote: »

Tommy/Gemma tell you this?

Do you think that everyone who had a concern about their country, county, town or even a concern that these DP centres are more a cruel money making gesture than a kind one gives a sh-t what Tommy and Gemma think. Might come as a surprise to you but most people have a mind of their own.

23-03-2019 11:02am

malinheader wrote: »

Do you think that everyone who had a concern about their country, county, town or even a concern that these DP centres are more a cruel money making gesture than a kind one gives a sh-t what Tommy and Gemma think. Might come as a surprise to you but most people have a mind of their own.

So your concern is that it is "a cruel money making gesture". That would suggest that if a different model of service was provided to accomodate asylum seekers (say a public sector service with no private sector involvement and better facilities for the asylum seekers) then you would be ok with it?

Otherwise someone might think that you are cyncially using the "cruel money making gesture" issue rather than simply oppose provision for asylum seekers full stop.

malinheader · 23-03-2019 11:13am

1641 wrote: »

So your concern is that it is "a cruel money making gesture". That would suggest that if a different model of service was provided to accomodate asylum seekers (say a public sector service with no private sector involvement and better facilities for the asylum seekers) then you would be ok with it?

Otherwise someone might think that you are cyncially using the "cruel money making gesture" issue rather than simply oppose provision for asylum seekers full stop.

Don't agree with it at all. Not feared to state this either. What really baffles me is how some people don't care what happens to these people or the communities there being placed i as long as they can rest easy with there conscience thinking there doing good and everything is fine and rosey. Anyway whatever gets you through the day. What's next the racist card likely.

rgossip30 · 23-03-2019 11:19am

pjohnson wrote: »

Tommy/Gemma tell you this?

Did you bother to look it up .

Timberrrrrrrr · 23-03-2019 11:22am

rgossip30 wrote: »

Did you bother to look it up .

Why dont you post the evidence for your claim here instead of telling people to look it up?

rgossip30 · 23-03-2019 11:27am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Why dont you post the evidence for your claim here instead of telling people to look it up?

Because I cannot copy and paste links my keyboard is broken..I have tried to change my signature to reflect this.

Timberrrrrrrr · 23-03-2019 11:28am

rgossip30 wrote: »

Because I cannot copy and paste links my keyboard is broken..I have tried to change my signature to reflect this.

So how are you typing your replies?

rgossip30 · 23-03-2019 11:46am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So how are you typing your replies?

Using the screen keyboard are such posts necessary ?

Boggles · 23-03-2019 11:46am

rgossip30 wrote: »

Because I cannot copy and paste links my keyboard is broken..I have tried to change my signature to reflect this.

You don't need a keyboard to copy and paste links on a tablet.

Just depress the link, you will get an option to copy. Depress where you want to put it and you will get the option to paste.

Timberrrrrrrr · 23-03-2019 11:53am

rgossip30 wrote: »

Using the screen keyboard are such posts necessary ?

So go too what ever google page, go to address bar, hold on address until its highlighted and copy the address. Then go to here, hold finger down and use the paste option that pops up to paste the link.

No need to get snippy just because someone has asked you to back up your claims.

rgossip30 · 23-03-2019 11:58am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So go too what ever google page, go to address bar, hold on address until its highlighted and copy the address. Then go to here, hold finger down and use the paste option that pops up to paste the link.

No need to get snippy just because someone has asked you to back up your claims.

I tried that too .

Boggles · 23-03-2019 12:05pm

rgossip30 wrote: »

I tried that too .

And what happened, did you get the option to copy?

rgossip30 · 23-03-2019 12:12pm

Boggles wrote: »

And what happened, did you get the option to copy?

No

Boggles · 23-03-2019 12:17pm

rgossip30 wrote: »

No

Maybe open a thread on the computer / tablet section and ask for help.

Until then I would suggest stop making claims and asking others to back them up, it just písses people off.

Your no stranger to demanding links yourself so I am sure you'll understand.

Either way I hope you figure out how to use your tablet and look forward to any proof you can provide to back up you claims when you do.

Incident at Roscommon hotel (asylum seekers)

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