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Angry men on the Internet.

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  • #52
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    I don't advocate for online abuse but I think it's fair to see the anger as a consequence of people seeing their prospects diminish.

    No real reason that should manifest online though, apart from benefits related forums..

    Like, a lot of the time online you are speaking to people that are just pushing their point of view or ill thought out ideology..

    There's no proper discussion..If you point out a flaw in their logic there's no "Oh, actually, you're right..".. It's just ignored and they carry on..

    A certain amount of this can be put down to cognitive bias, but there is a lot that's just willful ignorance..

    Dealing with that will make one angry..


  • #53
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    I’d say that video games have a big part to “play” in it, J.

    You get these guys who’s spent from their teen years to “adulthood” playing these games and reading comic books.

    They’ve been playing the “action hero” all their life, and reading about “superheroes”, all while they sat on their holes doing nothing.

    They see these fictional “characters” fighting crime, living the life and getting the girl. While all they get is their “hand” while watching hours, and hours, of aggressive, graphic hardcore pornography.

    They are angry at everyone but themselves for the “situation” they find themselves in.

    Their poor “diet”, and lack of fresh air, wouldn’t help much either.

    Ignorance comes in many forms, the gaming industry is as much apart of mainstream entertainment in 2020 as watching television. There is toxicity across all parts of life and forms of media and blaming it on one form of entertainment is a way out.

    I would also think the likes of behavior that goes on around allot of sport including GAA from Ireland's perspective is toxic as ****.


  • #54
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    jimgoose wrote: »
    Overly-tight jocks, that's what it is. Constant ball-ache drives 'em off their game. Invest in nice comfy boxers like Luke "Minge" Flanagan, or go commando.

    Boxer's aren't the answer, they just bunch up and give no support. Besides they must be the unsexiest underwear known to man.


  • #55
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,555 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Apart from the last few months we were at or practically at full employment and people weren't angels online. I very much dispute poverty has grown, there's an argument for relative poverty. For real poverty you're looking at the wrong country.

    Read what I said again. I said that in-work poverty has grown. In the past work paid. Now it pays less and low wages are more likely to leave you in poverty. Usually when we're at full employment it means that wages and working conditions go up as employers have to complete for employees labour. That didn't happen this time (overall wages went up but this was driven by those on high wages increasing, not by low wages rising)

    If we're asking why people are more angry then before I think it's pretty relevant to view poverty in the Irish context.


  • #56
    The Raging Bile Duct
    Registered Users Posts: 2,110 ✭✭✭The Raging Bile Duct


    Deleted User wrote: »
    That's quite the reaction ! :pac:

    It's the truth. I've lived through god knows how many different moral panics in relation to entertainment media over the years and it's all nonsense. Video nasties and heavy metal in the eighties, video games, rap music... a sociopath is going to be a sociopath no matter what - the choice of music or the video games are not the problem.


  • #57
    5555555555
    Closed Accounts Posts: 137 ✭✭5555555555


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Why are there so many angry men on the Internet, and what are they so angry about?

    I visited Twitter this morning and was struck, once again, about how angry and hostile a site it is. A case in point is this harmless retweet by Simon Harris.

    https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1268165151783563264

    You'd also see it here. Men lashing out at RTÉ presenters, female comedians, Greta Thunberg, social media influencers, poor people, rich people etc etc.

    Where is all this anger coming from? Are they not getting the ride or something? Or is the internet itself making them angry?




    Thanks Karen


  • #58
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,555 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yes, you we're not comparing like for like, which was my point.

    The house the janitor could buy and what he could provide was far inferior.

    But it was the house that was available at the time and was far superior to house that would have been available in

    It's like with like because it was available at the time. But now a cleaner's wages won't buy a house. So its like with like in the ways that actually matter. Low wages won't allow you to buy a house or raise a family. Low wages mean you'll probably need benefits to pay rent and raise a family. That's the salient point


  • #59
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    If we're asking why people are more angry then before I think it's pretty relevant to view poverty in the Irish context.

    Absolutely is, and may be the reason why people are angry.

    But, I've not much time for it. People are far better off now, even those on social welfare - compare them to previous generations.

    The problem is that they have higher expectations. That may lead to anger.


  • #60
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,180 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Seamai wrote: »
    Boxer's aren't the answer, they just bunch up and give no support. Besides they must be the unsexiest underwear known to man.

    Depends who's wearing them, sweetie. ;)


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  • #61
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    But it was the house that was available at the time and was far superior to house that would have been available in

    It's like with like because it was available at the time. But now a cleaner's wages won't buy a house. So its like with like in the ways that actually matter. Low wages won't allow you to buy a house or raise a family. Low wages mean you'll probably need benefits to pay rent and raise a family. That's the salient point

    And even the SW housing now is better than the starter house purchased back in the day. Actually, I'd say most janitors were in SW housing back in the day. What house was a janitor buying outright back in the day?


  • #62
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,555 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Absolutely is, and may be the reason why people are angry.

    But, I've not much time for it. People are far better off now, even those on social welfare - compare them to previous generations.

    The problem is that they have higher expectations. That may lead to anger.

    Yeah they could go live 'off the grid' or something like that. But if your expectation is to be a normal member of society, then it's not an unreasonable expectation.

    There really is no point expecting people to want to live a lifestyle from 50 years ago


  • #63
    The Raging Bile Duct
    Registered Users Posts: 2,110 ✭✭✭The Raging Bile Duct


    5555555555 wrote: »
    Thanks Karen

    If you'd gone with 'ok boomer', it might have made sense. How does 'Thanks Karen' work in this context at all?

    :confused:


  • #64
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Yeah they could go live 'off the grid' or something like that. But if your expectation is to be a normal member of society, then it's not an unreasonable expectation.

    There really is no point expecting people to want to live a lifestyle from 50 years ago


    No, but they're comparing themselves to the Jones that get a loan out to buy a low powered BMW or to go on two holidays a year.


    There's so much credit and lifestyle advertising that the janitor thinks he deserves to be living the life of Riley.


  • #65
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    They are all slaves to the algorithms mahhnnnn.


  • #66
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Why are there so many angry men on the Internet, and what are they so angry about?

    I visited Twitter this morning and was struck, once again, about how angry and hostile a site it is. A case in point is this harmless retweet by Simon Harris.

    https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1268165151783563264

    You'd also see it here. Men lashing out at RTÉ presenters, female comedians, Greta Thunberg, social media influencers, poor people, rich people etc etc.

    Where is all this anger coming from? Are they not getting the ride or something? Or is the internet itself making them angry?
    "not getting the ride"
    It always comes back to the ride


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  • #67
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,555 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    And even the SW housing now is better than the starter house purchased back in the day. Actually, I'd say most janitors were in SW housing back in the day. What house was a janitor buying outright back in the day?

    I don't know what house they were buying. Ask bill o reily. But even if they wee buying government built starter homes, they don't really exist anymore. They were built by previous generations and sold off in the 80s and not replaced.

    Some previous generations were very forward thinking and selfless, such as as the ones who built all the council houses. Some generations were very selfish and short sighted, such as the ones who sold off the council houses and didn't want to fund the building of new ones. They took advantage of the previous generation's generosity but didn't want to do the same for any future generations. It was real "pull the ledder up, Jack" stuff.

    I'm pretty sure the cleaners in today's market aren't buying houses of any description


  • #68
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Are you angry about these other angry men OP?

    Wait for the rain, OP

    https://youtu.be/kGTY-7e3iT0


  • #69
    Notmything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭Notmything


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    That is not true either it is just your own biases simple as.
    But if there were not such biases and opinions boards.ie would not function. Lots of mods would be aimlessly trying to fill thier day. As there would be no need for mods because everyone will be agreeing with each other and it would be a mere echo chamber.


    I was comenting on the replies to the tweet. All negative or abusive towards the minister.


  • #70
    Feisar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,703 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Edgware wrote: »
    "not getting the ride"
    It always comes back to the ride

    Even when it wasn't the ride, I knew it was the ride.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #71
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,555 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    No, but they're comparing themselves to the Jones that get a loan out to buy a low powered BMW or to go on two holidays a year.


    There's so much credit and lifestyle advertising that the janitor thinks he deserves to be living the life of Riley.

    Who are comparing themselves to the Jones? The cleaners who are buying houses? I thought we agreed that cleaners can't buy houses anymore.


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  • #72
    landofthetree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,362 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Twitter isn't the real world.


  • #73
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,180 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Feisar wrote: »
    Even when it wasn't the ride, I knew it was the ride.

    "It was the ride. It's always the ride. Except when it's underwear."

    leo-dicaprio-champagne-tumblr.jpg?format=jpg&quality=80&width=440&ratio=16-9&resize=aspectfill


  • #74
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Spinmaster Flash with another banger for the ages, "it's alright for me to condemn others but they can't knock meeee..."


  • #75
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    KiKi III wrote: »
    There was a study done on men who troll people on a particular video game, I’ll try and find it.

    It found that as women and minorities have gained more of a foothold in the business and political worlds, white men of average intelligence and ability feel displaced. In previous generations, even average white guys could expect respectable jobs and a reasonable living but as the competition has increased that hasn’t necessarily been the case.

    So they vent their ire online.

    And of course, there are women who do this too, but the study related specifically to men I think.

    That’s very interesting. I do think stupid people tend to be angrier as well. Their stupidity manifests itself as anger as a sort of coping mechanism.


  • #76
    pgj2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,476 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    How do you know they are all men?



    https://www.facebook.com/ROSAwomen2014/videos/560456394480989/




    How much campaigning for the homeless, has Cash done since she got the free house?


  • #77
    Risingshadoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 82 ✭✭Risingshadoo


    There's angry people everywhere, not just on the internet. Best stay away from humans, if you don't want to deal with angry people.


  • #78
    mariaalice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,630 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    That’s very interesting. I do think stupid people tend to be angrier as well. Their stupidity manifests itself as anger as a sort of coping mechanism.

    It is not that exactly, its lack of ability to manage and express emotions in a positive way which may or may not be related to all sorts of abilities they lack.


  • #79
    Biker79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Biker79


    " To participate is to lose "

    A meaty article on the subject, but worth sticking with until the end.

    https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2020/01/16/the-internet-of-beefs/


  • #80
    kowloon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,516 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »
    That's horseshít of the highest order. The vast majority of people can play videogames without becoming reactionary virgin dickheads.

    You don't so much become a virgin as stay a virgin.
    Unless there's a time period after which you revert to virgin status if you don't keep current. I gather you replace all the cells in your body in a decade or so, but that excludes neurons. Is virgin status a state of mind or is it bodily? A few years away from the bedroom and it's an entirely new mickey.


  • #81
    The Raging Bile Duct
    Registered Users Posts: 2,110 ✭✭✭The Raging Bile Duct


    kowloon wrote: »
    You don't so much become a virgin as stay a virgin.
    Unless there's a time period after which you revert to virgin status if you don't keep current. I gather you replace all the cells in your body in a decade or so, but that excludes neurons. Is virgin status a state of mind or is it bodily? A few years away from the bedroom and it's an entirely new mickey.

    Eh, you can stay a virgin but become a reactionary dickhead, does that help? And every few years you're a new reactionary dickhead but still a virgin. Kind of like Trigger's broom, I guess...


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  • #82
    Rothko
    Registered Users Posts: 12,908 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    It's absolutely true 100% of the time that the term toxic masculinity is used mostly by people who don't believe in it.

    Except that it isn't. It's not used as often as some people may claim but I have heard it used multiple in real life.


  • #83
    Rothko
    Registered Users Posts: 12,908 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »
    If you'd gone with 'ok boomer', it might have made sense. How does 'Thanks Karen' work in this context at all?

    :confused:

    It's become one of those phrases, like hipster and incel, that people just use whenever, despite the fact that it doesn't make sense in context.


  • #84
    Purple Mountain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,300 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    You are a sexist misogynist OP.

    Women are allowed to be angry too...

    To thine own self be true



  • #85
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,555 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Rothko wrote: »
    Except that it isn't. It's not used as often as some people may claim but I have heard it used multiple in real life.

    Compare the number of times you've heard it used in earnest, to the number of times you've heard it used as the poster I quoted. In my life I don't know anyone who uses that term, or that sentiment, in earnest.


  • #86
    The Raging Bile Duct
    Registered Users Posts: 2,110 ✭✭✭The Raging Bile Duct


    Purple Mountain wrote: »
    You are a sexist misogynist OP.

    Women are allowed to be angry too...

    I presume you mean misandrist... #angrywomenmatter


  • #87
    Demonique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭Demonique


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    How do you know they are all men?



    https://www.facebook.com/ROSAwomen2014/videos/560456394480989/

    What does uber sponger Margaret Cash have to do with the thread?


  • #88
    Rothko
    Registered Users Posts: 12,908 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Compare the number of times you've heard it used in earnest, to the number of times you've heard it used as the poster I quoted. In my life I don't know anyone who uses that term, or that sentiment, in earnest.

    I've already said that it's not used as much as some people claim. However, it does get used in a sincere manner by a minority of people.


  • #89
    kowloon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,516 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »
    Eh, you can stay a virgin but become a reactionary dickhead, does that help? And every few years you're a new reactionary dickhead but still a virgin. Kind of like Trigger's broom, I guess...

    Quality reference. :D


  • #90
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,555 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Rothko wrote: »
    I've already said that it's not used as much as some people claim. However, it does get used in a sincere manner by a minority of people.

    Isn't it at least interesting that the term is used so much more often by people who hate it's use? That they go on about it being shoved in their faces even though they use it more way more than than anyone saying it in earnest.

    I think it's fascinating. I suppose it's a kind of masochism.


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  • #91
    Rothko
    Registered Users Posts: 12,908 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Isn't it at least interesting that the term is used so much more often by people who hate it's use? That they go on about it being shoved in their faces even though they use it more way more than than anyone saying it in earnest.

    I think it's fascinating. I suppose it's a kind of masochism.

    Yeah, some just like to find reasons to complain or be outraged.


  • #92
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,655 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Nobody listens to them in real life - because who wants to listen to someone being angry all the time?

    So they go somewhere where they can say what they want and they'll either get a reaction or validation.


  • #93
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,555 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Arghus wrote: »
    Nobody listens to them in real life - because who wants to listen to someone being angry all the time?

    So they go somewhere where they can say what they want and they'll either get a reaction or validation.

    Yeah and that's true if that's what they're like in real life. But I also wouldn't dismiss the reasons for someone's anger without wanting to know what they are.

    Even those eejits in Charlotte marching withe tiki torches chanting "Jews will not replace us". I obviously have no interest in being hard on jews but I'd like to know what has made those bloke's think they're being "replaced".


  • #94
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,206 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Re: angry men on the internet.

    The internet has given people a global platform to be as*holes.
    Because that's what most people are.... As*holes.


  • #95
    kowloon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,516 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    Re: angry men on the internet.

    The internet has given people a global platform to be as*holes.
    Because that's what most people are.... As*holes.

    I've gotten much more zen since I've decided people are just dumb animals like the rest of the dumb animals, we're not good or evil, we just do what we do.
    Makes it easier to deal with people doing ****ty things but takes away the safety net of believing people do horrible things because they possess some sort of magical evil quality. Had any of us grown up in Germany at the wrong time we could well have ended up as Nazis.
    A favourite song title I've come across is 'Ordinary people do ****ed-up things when ****ed-up things become ordinary'. The more people acting the asshole online the more it becomes normalised.

    /rant


  • #96
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭nthclare


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    Re: angry men on the internet.

    The internet has given people a global platform to be as*holes.
    Because that's what most people are.... As*holes.

    I agree with your observation, plenty of assholes out there.
    It's quite easy to turn it inside out on them, as they're usually thick people who have mammy or daddy issues, don't get enough sunlight and water etc

    Like a poinsettia they thrive in dark places and just explode in color now and again then revert back into themselves...


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  • #97
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    ligerdub wrote: »
    Pretty much a meaningless "study" then. I can say with confidence that the outcomes were written first and then the "research" was done later too. It seems every other day there's a new narrative or "study" about men acting wrong about something. All Men Are Bastards....repeat ad nauseum.

    I have to laugh at some of this stuff. We'll get these little nuggets from highly politicised academic groups and people will swallow it whole. Every so often then we'll have some sort of trending message about mental health and then how men need to talk or express themselves more, because apparently men hold it all in.....or if they don't it's toxic masculinity. I don't know what it is men but "you're doing it wrong, you're being a man wrong".

    Is it any wonder why men might feel alienated or marginalised these days? I feel like on a daily basis there's some sort of reminder that being white, male and straight is akin to being some sort of derisory figure or oppressor or just being a wrong'un. People are sick of this crap and rightly so.

    Well, we know that men die by suicide at a much higher rate than women. And that's not a new phenomenon, it's long been observed. Isn't it a good thing to try and get to the bottom of that and attempt to save lives? Though I personally wouldn't use the term loaded, unhelpful term 'toxic masculinity'. You brought that up! :eek:


  • #98
    Skippyme
    Registered Users Posts: 128 ✭✭Skippyme


    It's very real unfortunately.

    It's like denying addictions, preventing comprehension but also keeps time standing in place. Check Pages # 1 # 7 & #11 https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058042337


  • #99
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,479 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    This 'angry men on the internet' narrative is just another case of losers trying to get what they want. Perfect example of it.

    God forbid anyone disagrees with you, if they do, they must be a white middle class fat bellied man.

    The irony of classifying ppl like that in this diverse accepting world.


  • #100
    Errashareesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Errashareesh


    The aggression towards Greta is weird though.

    No problem with people questioning what she says, and disagreeing with the way she's being puppeted, and with the fawning over her (I pretty much subscribe to the above myself) but the abuse is bizarre. She's just a kid. How can adults speak that way to/about a kid?


  • #101
    completedit
    Registered Users Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    AllForIt wrote: »
    This 'angry men on the internet' narrative is just another case of losers trying to get what they want. Perfect example of it.

    God forbid anyone disagrees with you, if you do, you must be a white middle class fat bellied man.

    The irony of classifying ppl like that in this diverse accepting world.

    Angry man on the internet = Anyone whose opinion isn't orthodox and perhaps isn't as perfectly developed and communicated it could be. What I notice is a lot of people want to deprive people of opinion and if you have a strong opinion you're just a lunatic. The only exception is if someone is respected enough and/or articulate enough that they can get away with expressing such views case in point Michael O Leary and his opposition to Green List.


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