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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,931 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Silenceisbliss just wondering are the corporate logos masked out and sprayed on or are vinyl graphics used on the aircraft?

    Good question. Also how long normally until a repaint is needed?

    Do you know the approx cost of repainting an aircraft? (am thinking in terms of A320/B737 size) Would love to see EI bring out a Retro Livery on a A320 for their 75th anniversary.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Silenceisbliss


    For all of the following, Ill ask my friend here (he worked in the painting dept for 8 years) on monday, until then, I can give you what i think is the correct answer
    Silenceisbliss just wondering are the corporate logos masked out and sprayed on or are vinyl graphics used on the aircraft?

    Im pretty sure they're masked out and painted on. I was in at a 747-400 earlier which was bare naked aluminium and the tail was only half sanded off. (the tail is like fibre glass or something so it takes a while and is difficult to strip of pain)
    FiSe wrote: »
    Sorry totally OT, but just out of curiosity:

    Is there such a thing like degreasing the airframe before the paint application or sanding between the coats?
    And one more thing what make of paints are you using?

    not OT, have you SEEN a 747-400 tail vertical stabiliser up close??...it's MASSIVE surface area to cover. besides, a friend whos doing it now for 8 years told me this and he had to submit reports with this info on it.

    and yes, they use a degreaser. it's a paint softener (not stripper) it's called aerobrite or briteall or something (can't remember exactly). it's applied to the aluminium before painting to degrease and therefore maximise adhesion between aluminium and paint.

    usually that paint softener (i'll also find out what it's called on monday) is only applied to the fuselage and the wings are only sanded down. this is for financial reasons but if alot of corrosion is found on the wings, then they too will be treated with the paint softener.

    make of paint....no idea. I'll find out
    Bramble wrote: »
    Good question. Also how long normally until a repaint is needed?

    Do you know the approx cost of repainting an aircraft? (am thinking in terms of A320/B737 size) Would love to see EI bring out a Retro Livery on a A320 for their 75th anniversary.

    NORMALLY, a commercial airplane has a decheck either every 8 or 10 years (depending on model) in this time, a complete overhaul is carried out. it's incredably thourough, the window are poped out and inspected, the entire plane is stripped down to its fuselage. NORMALLY, painting is only carried out during this process while the plane is grounded. But then there's the VIPs who request more frequent paint jobs and planes from gulf states sometimes need to come in early due to corrosion. For example, Colonel Gedaffy's (spelling?) plane is in at the moment for decheck and the thing is seriously riddled with corrosion due to sahara sands which accelarate the corrosive process.

    but 8 or 10 years as standard


    I have no idea about the cost of repainting! i'll ask on monday.


    hope this satisfies your curiousity for now, until monday it will have to suffice. PM me if I forget to post up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Silenceisbliss


    so

    corporate Logos - masked and painted?
    name of paint degreaser
    sanding between coatings
    make of paint
    and total cast.

    i'll find out the above on monday (day off tomorrow here in germany by the way, thats why I cant ask tomo.)

    but any questions on landing gears, and I'm your guy ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    V Bull wrote: »
    Just a few more.

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    That's the lot, hope you like 'em.

    Are those guys operating out of Vancouver harbour ?
    Yeah have to say that part of world is probably float plane capital of the world. For anyone that has never flown floats, you don'tknow what you are missing :D
    Did you just fly or did you drop into anywhere ?
    If you fly up along the inside passage between Vancouver Island and the mainland you can sometimes spot killer whales going through.
    Sadly all I ever saw was kayakers and the odd Bald Eagle.

    Great pics of a beautiful beast.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 Ockham


    Hey guys.Heres a few i took while on a cross country hour building in the states last week.I was on the ramp at Amarillo airport Texas.There were 2 F-18s ,a C and a Super Hornet, and an F-5 sitting next to my 152 (boy did i feel inadequate).I didnt have my camera on me so snapped these on my very sub par camera phone.Super Hornet driver was there and let me sit in the cockpit.Amazing.The F-18C was from a aggressor squadron.Guess what aircraft he simulates in war games
    SU-27.Momentarily thought it was one from a distance.

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    Super Hornet

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    Charlie Model


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,931 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Ockham wrote: »
    Hey guys.Heres a few i took while on a cross country hour building in the states last week.I was on the ramp at Amarillo airport Texas.There were 2 F-18s ,a C and a Super Hornet,Charlie Model

    Now that is impressive....to get into the cockpit of a Hornet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,133 ✭✭✭View Profile


    Nice, in the Su-27 colours with the ruskie red stars aswell. Sweet!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 332 ✭✭FOGOFUNK


    That is sssssssssssssssssssssssweet. The lads in the military forum might appreciate them aswell.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,700 ✭✭✭tricky D




  • Registered Users Posts: 794 ✭✭✭electric69


    nice shots man


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭pclancy


    Was supposed to be going down to the South Island today with about 20 others for a day of competitions but sadly the poor early morning weather kept us landbound until lunchtime. I got up in the back of a 172 for an hour with another student doing circuits including a power off landing and 300ft low-level circuit that was fun! Managed to get a lesson in myself then afterwards for an hour in the tommy :)


    Air NZ 737
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    Takeoff from 16
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    Welly Airport
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    Wellington City as we come in to land
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    more to follow :


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭vulcan57


    One of the places I have to go to before I die!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭ImDave


    Some fantastic scenery! I'd love to be training there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,266 ✭✭✭Steyr


    pclancy wrote: »


    Air NZ 737
    2914588926_47005ca65a.jpg

    Definitely not a 737, it's an Airbus A320.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Silenceisbliss


    so

    corporate Logos - masked and painted?
    name of paint degreaser
    sanding between coatings
    make of paint
    and total cast.

    i'll find out the above on monday (day off tomorrow here in germany by the way, thats why I cant ask tomo.)

    but any questions on landing gears, and I'm your guy ;)

    righto,

    corporate logos - giant stencils stuck on and painted through. multi coloured logos have different layered stencils and the colours are done in different stages. problem with it is that the stencils are cut on a flat table, but the plane surfaces are curved, so you get runoff, which is fixed by hand with a thin nozzle of spray.

    name of paint degreaser - there are loads depending on the type of paint already on the plane, or how much paint has to be removed, different operating temperatures, and it usually goes down to the customer specification on which to use.

    sanding between coatings - depends. normally primer one kind of etches into the aluminium (emphasis on KINDA, because ethant primers are not used any more) so primer one sticks very well to the aluminium. primer coating two is chemically designed to bond to primer one and afterwards leaves a kind of fuzzy or rough finish. cheapest and fastest method is to paint straight onto the rough primer 2, although for a better paint finish, primer 2 can be wet sanded with 400grit.

    make of paint - again there are loads and it depends on customer specification and preference. cheap and fast can have one coat, VIP can have upto 3 coats of very thin expensive paint for best finish. Loads of types of paints though. there is no perfect paint, they even have a Lab here in lufthansa which is working on creating new paints.

    Cost - didn't get an exact figure, but a ball park figure for a 747-400 for everything (thats around 10 days hanger rental, paints, softeners, man hours, logistics, everything) tots up at around 250,000.
    also, only 10 days for a 747-400 to be completely finished...surprised the heck outta me!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭FiSe


    righto,

    corporate logos - giant stencils stuck on and painted through. multi coloured logos have different layered stencils and the colours are done in different stages. problem with it is that the stencils are cut on a flat table, but the plane surfaces are curved, so you get runoff, which is fixed by hand with a thin nozzle of spray.

    name of paint degreaser - there are loads depending on the type of paint already on the plane, or how much paint has to be removed, different operating temperatures, and it usually goes down to the customer specification on which to use.

    sanding between coatings - depends. normally primer one kind of etches into the aluminium (emphasis on KINDA, because ethant primers are not used any more) so primer one sticks very well to the aluminium. primer coating two is chemically designed to bond to primer one and afterwards leaves a kind of fuzzy or rough finish. cheapest and fastest method is to paint straight onto the rough primer 2, although for a better paint finish, primer 2 can be wet sanded with 400grit.

    make of paint - again there are loads and it depends on customer specification and preference. cheap and fast can have one coat, VIP can have upto 3 coats of very thin expensive paint for best finish. Loads of types of paints though. there is no perfect paint, they even have a Lab here in lufthansa which is working on creating new paints.

    Cost - didn't get an exact figure, but a ball park figure for a 747-400 for everything (thats around 10 days hanger rental, paints, softeners, man hours, logistics, everything) tots up at around 250,000.
    also, only 10 days for a 747-400 to be completely finished...surprised the heck outta me!

    Thanks, cool stuff there. fair play to you.
    It must be a real pain in the neck to wet sand such a large area... And so must be ordering of different brands of paints.
    Especially when every brand has a slightly different procedures of application, flash-off time, curing time etc...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Silenceisbliss


    FiSe wrote: »
    Thanks, cool stuff there. fair play to you.
    It must be a real pain in the neck to wet sand such a large area... And so must be ordering of different brands of paints.
    Especially when every brand has a slightly different procedures of application, flash-off time, curing time etc...

    ya, no bother. any time.

    seemingly the biggest pain in the arse is removing the degreaser/paint sludge. very toxic, heavy, corrosive messy stuff. have to make sure none of the stuff goes anywhere it's not upposed to. have to heat the hanger up to 40+ celcius all the while working in complete chemical resistant overalls and breathing apparatus. hot suffocating work.

    no bother though, i was interested in asking those questions aswell


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    I'll bung this in here cos there isn't really a right place to say this.

    When we were taxiing to stand at Heathrow this morning we went past the Singapore Airlines A380. I had an aisle seat so couldn't really get a decent view. (Which is my excuse for not getting a photo, sorry Steyr!)

    How do I put this, it err, didn't look very big. I mean, obviously it is huge, but I was expecting it to be much bigger than a 747 and it didn't seem to be. I think the paint job hiding the lower windows might make it look smaller or something, dunno.

    Just a tad larger than the A320 I was on though:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,091 ✭✭✭Biro


    I'll bung this in here cos there isn't really a right place to say this.

    When we were taxiing to stand at Heathrow this morning we went past the Singapore Airlines A380. I had an aisle seat so couldn't really get a decent view. (Which is my excuse for not getting a photo, sorry Steyr!)

    How do I put this, it err, didn't look very big. I mean, obviously it is huge, but I was expecting it to be much bigger than a 747 and it didn't seem to be. I think the paint job hiding the lower windows might make it look smaller or something, dunno.

    Just a tad larger than the A320 I was on though:D

    Ya, saw it first back in 2006 and was a bit underwhelmed!! They're not that much bigger than a 747 though, so they were never going to be majorly frightening! Compare back in the day the biggest was a 707 and then the 747 came along!! That was a major upgrade in size! There's a pic of the A380 beside a 747 in JFK, and the size difference isn't massive.
    I think I'm only going to be impressed with size when I see an AN225.
    I suppose the A380 is kind of like Brian O'Driscol. Doesn't look that big until you stand right beside him!


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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,931 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    I'll bung this in here cos there isn't really a right place to say this.

    When we were taxiing to stand at Heathrow this morning we went past the Singapore Airlines A380.
    How do I put this, it err, didn't look very big. I mean, obviously it is huge, but I was expecting it to be much bigger than a 747 and it didn't seem to be

    Have seen this many times at LHR. I often think it looks like a chubby B737.

    Heres a pic of it beside a B747:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/tearbringer/2873051062/


    Heres a link to a discussion on this topic. My fav is post 5:
    http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4168161/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭pclancy


    Yeah true it doesnt look that massive beside a 747 but it certainly does look more modern and somewhat "fatter" face to face. Inside its a bit quieter and WAY more roomey then a 747.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Silenceisbliss


    Giant_Plane_Comparison.png

    good for comparison


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    righto,

    corporate logos - giant stencils stuck on and painted through. multi coloured logos have different layered stencils and the colours are done in different stages. problem with it is that the stencils are cut on a flat table, but the plane surfaces are curved, so you get runoff, which is fixed by hand with a thin nozzle of spray.

    name of paint degreaser - there are loads depending on the type of paint already on the plane, or how much paint has to be removed, different operating temperatures, and it usually goes down to the customer specification on which to use.

    sanding between coatings - depends. normally primer one kind of etches into the aluminium (emphasis on KINDA, because ethant primers are not used any more) so primer one sticks very well to the aluminium. primer coating two is chemically designed to bond to primer one and afterwards leaves a kind of fuzzy or rough finish. cheapest and fastest method is to paint straight onto the rough primer 2, although for a better paint finish, primer 2 can be wet sanded with 400grit.

    make of paint - again there are loads and it depends on customer specification and preference. cheap and fast can have one coat, VIP can have upto 3 coats of very thin expensive paint for best finish. Loads of types of paints though. there is no perfect paint, they even have a Lab here in lufthansa which is working on creating new paints.

    Cost - didn't get an exact figure, but a ball park figure for a 747-400 for everything (thats around 10 days hanger rental, paints, softeners, man hours, logistics, everything) tots up at around 250,000.
    also, only 10 days for a 747-400 to be completely finished...surprised the heck outta me!

    thanks for the info fitting those masks on a curved surface on that scale must be a nightmare


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,931 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Deacon Blues


    Bramble wrote: »
    I just need to get the Lufty one. Anyone else I don't know about?

    Lovely pics. Don't know of any others in Europe.

    Quite a few in the 'States. US Airways did some A319's with some of retro schemes (they call them throwback jets) of airlines they had consumed on their way to domination. Allegeheny, Piedmont and America West for definite, and probably others. American also did a retro, but I don't think anybody would notice. It was silver. With a slightly different AA on the fin.:D

    Of course there's Qantas's unofficial retro in Travolta's jet.


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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,931 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Don't know of any others in Europe.
    Spotted MartinAir retro B763 this morning at AMS. The Lufty (it will be mine)will complete the European collection.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/tearbringer/2927221766/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Silenceisbliss


    Bramble wrote: »
    I just need to get the Lufty one. Anyone else I don't know about?

    had a meeting about this a while ago, its on lufthansas "to do" list


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭*Kol*


    IMG00438.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Silenceisbliss


    awww, the poor lil 747 seems to have lost its engines....:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭*Kol*


    awww, the poor lil 747 seems to have lost its engines....:(

    That one is lucky. Look at the one to the left that only has its upper deck left!!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Silenceisbliss


    looks like they both got in a fight...one of those "you shoulda seen the other guy" stories...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭*Kol*


    CIMG2102.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭Inspector Gadget


    forgot to mention, thats the Number 5 painting hanger here in Lufthansa technik in Hamburg.

    Two 747s as you can see comfortably fitting in the hanger. both are jacked off the ground with landing gears removed.

    Normally, taking photos here is strictly forbidden. (because they are generally privatly owned planes) but, this was for a power point presentation and is allowed. :D

    Yeah, I know this camera problem from personal experience! I was there for my last job for the last few days of March last year, and my camera ended up behind the desk in that reception area with the wing-shaped roof beside the vents for the engine testing sheds until I came back out on day one - didn't bother after that. To be honest, though, that wasn't that strange (except for the luggage and clothing x-rays and metal detector scans) - everywhere I went for that job was like that - well, at least after September 11th 2001, anyway.

    Meh. Anyway. This is about photos, so here are some of mine - starting with a big bird - an Antonov AN-124, taken at Dublin airport (you can just see the cab of an articulated truck at the tail of the plane, if you look hard):

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    I also have some military aircraft photos in an album I took at the Some photos from the Aviation Pavilion of the Royal Museum of the Army and Military History in central Brussels (well worth a visit, btw, especially if you're also into cars, as there's a good car museum 50 yards away):

    Mk. IX Supermarine Spitfire (with, I think, a C-119 Flying Boxcar behind it):
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    Junkers Ju-52/3m (above an F-16):
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    F-4 Phantom II
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    MiG 23 "Flogger-H":
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    Mil Mi-24 "Hind":
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    Douglas DC-3 Dakota/C-47B Transport:
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    There are also sections of a Boeing 707 and a beautiful (complete) Sabena-liveried Caravelle there, but it's virtually impossible to get a good shot of the Caravelle because you can't get far enough away from it to take in the whole plane, and it is mounted on 40-foot-high pillars overhead :)

    Hope you guys like,
    Gadget


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭*Kol*


    Barajas on approach last Saturday.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 599 ✭✭✭ambasite


    Thomond Park, Limerick:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭pclancy


    That would make such a cool room for a flight sim setup :)
    *Kol* wrote: »
    That one is lucky. Look at the one to the left that only has its upper deck left!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭*Kol*


    CIMG2312.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭chewed


    CASA CN-235-100MP Persuader - Casement


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭FiSe


    ^^^ very atmospheric shot, nice one


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭chewed


    Thanks! BTW, how do you embed an image into your post? i.e. not have a link


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  • Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭blah


    like this:


    [IMG~]http://urlofwebsite/photoname.jpg[/IMG]

    (without the ~ )

    there's a little icon when you're posting, yellow, looks like it has a little black triangle and a circle above it, clicking on that will help you out.

    it's a good idea to upload your pic to photobucket/flickr etc beforehand and link to that image


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 332 ✭✭FOGOFUNK


    chewed wrote: »
    CASA CN-235-100MP Persuader - Casement

    Was that in DUB on sunday?


  • Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭teresasaunt


    3069199023_8076d8313f.jpg
    November 29th, LHR

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    November 29th, LHR

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    November 28th, DUB

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    November 28th, Over Galway somewhere

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    November 28th, On AA93 DUB-ORD

    More - http://www.flickr.com/photos/aa_ff_dub/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭chewed


    blah wrote: »
    like this:


    [IMG~]http://urlofwebsite/photoname.jpg[/IMG]

    (without the ~ )

    there's a little icon when you're posting, yellow, looks like it has a little black triangle and a circle above it, clicking on that will help you out.

    it's a good idea to upload your pic to photobucket/flickr etc beforehand and link to that image

    Nice one Blah. thanks.

    2075080299_64d22d477f_b.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭chewed


    FOGOFUNK wrote: »
    Was that in DUB on sunday?

    No. that was actually Nov 2007.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 332 ✭✭FOGOFUNK


    chewed wrote: »
    No. that was actually Nov 2007.

    Sorry, I meant was the aircraft at DUB on sunday? How many of those aircraft do the air corps have?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,266 ✭✭✭Steyr


    FOGOFUNK wrote: »
    Sorry, I meant was the aircraft at DUB on sunday? How many of those aircraft do the air corps have?

    Thats taken from the inside of the CASA/Govt Jet Hanger at Baldonnel, and they have 2 CASA CN235MPA Aircraft.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    What's the story with taking on a plane? are you able to just snap away while the plane is taxiing or taking off? is a camera not electronic equipment that could cause the plane to explode or whatever is supposed to happen?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,266 ✭✭✭Steyr


    What's the story with taking on a plane? are you able to just snap away while the plane is taxiing or taking off? is a camera not electronic equipment that could cause the plane to explode or whatever is supposed to happen?

    Never had any problems with it and the Stewards have seen me taking piccies. Dont really think it's a problem.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Do the CASN's patrol marine and fisheries etc?


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