Dublin GAA Discussion Thread - Capital Punishment

Will be playing London next year by looks of things. Was watching the line from Hogan and they just seemed absolutely clueless. Cunningham at least had the good sense to pretend it was nothing to do with him.

Agree about the PP factor. What date is the Limerick match and is it home or away?

Bambi wrote: »

It's not early though, this is year four of a bad decline, and it was not the time to try play clever buggers with management selection but the county board did

Let's see where we are at the end of the league, and if its 2A then Gilroy needs to be told he only has the 2019 league to change our course or we get an actual hurling management team in to do it. We can't afford to f**k around.

You already had your mind made up though. Surely you should be more open to the chap doing a good job and concede we can't possibly know if he's doing a good job until much later in the season.

Seriously we had a boat load of debutants and a tired looking team. Why the overt negativity in the thread? For a comparison Colm Basquel played an hour later and made mistakes a 10 year old wouldn't make. It can happen to an inexperienced lad eager to make an impression.

Last night was very disappointing. I went expecting a win and never foresaw that performance.

I thought Donal Burke was the only person to play for us for the full game. He was the only player able to catch a ball in the starting forwards which is something we have severely lacked in the last few years. Alan Moore and Fionn in the corners played well in the first half and linked up well together. I didn't understand why Trollier was brought on for Fionn and when he was Alan Moore went completely out of the game and was subsequently substituted. It was crazy that our entire full forward line was substituted. Hedgo did reasonably well when he came on. Another person able to catch a ball who has lost a lot of weight this year and sped up.

I thought the changes made by the sideline went against us instead of helping us on the whole. The sweeper system didn't work. Offaly had more men in the backs and nearly every one of their points was taken by a man with nobody marking him. It looked more like we had two or three men sent off than playing a sweeper.

I'm wondering where the likes of Rushe, Kelly and Sutcliffe are going to fit in, particularly in the league. I still think we've a good chance of points against Antrim and Laois to stay in 1B but not if we play like last night.

corny wrote: »

You already had your mind made up though. Surely you should be more open to the chap doing a good job and concede we can't possibly know if he's doing a good job until much later in the season.

Seriously we had a boat load of debutants and a tired looking team. Why the overt negativity in the thread? For a comparison Colm Basquel played an hour later and made mistakes a 10 year old wouldn't make. It can happen to an inexperienced lad eager to make an impression.

I think we all want the team to do well, at least I hope so anyway. You are right in many respects that it is way too early to judge this management ticket. However, there is a world of difference between the shambles that was the hurling and Basquel's performance.

In one we had a young lad brought into a team full of experienced players that we're able to guide him and in many ways afford him the chance to make those mistakes.

In the other we had a team comprised nearly solely of debutants that just didn't have the luxury of being able to make the same mistakes. Now why did we go into this game with such a green team? Maybe Pat & Co felt they could get the job done but they must have known Offaly were coming with a big lump of a team.

JRant wrote: »

Now why did we go into this game with such a green team? Maybe Pat & Co felt they could get the job done but they must have known Offaly were coming with a big lump of a team.

Is it really THAT important we won this game? Its not the first round of the championship. Was he obliged to put out his strongest team? Maybe he just wants to look at all his options in the league. Maybe he has a longer term plan in mind. At least i hope to **** he has a longer term plan in mind.

Anyway, i'm reminded of conversations i had on this board 8 years ago when Gilroy dropped a lot of experienced players and Meath hockeyed us. I don't think last nights result will shake him if he is trying to mould that 15 players into a team.

corny wrote: »

Is it really THAT important we won this game? Its not the first round of the championship. Was he obliged to put out his strongest team? Maybe he just wants to look at all his options in the league. Maybe he has a longer term plan in mind. At least i hope to **** he has a longer term plan in mind.

Anyway, i'm reminded of conversations i had on this board 8 years ago when Gilroy dropped a lot of experienced players and Meath hockeyed us. I don't think last nights result will shake him if he is trying to mould that 15 players into a team.

Well it depends on what the aim of this year is really. Clearly trying to get back up to 1A is not that so we can only assume staying in 1B has to be the minimum they are looking at. Last night's result doesn't leave us in good shape IMO. Also, let's be completely honest here, there's a very good chance we will be out of the championship early again this year so why hold some of the more senior lads back. We'll be lucky to see a game in July, never mind August.

Knowing Pat's methods we will be a far fitter and stronger animal next year. They type of training program the lads are on takes time too bed in. We may see some improvements this year when the ground firms up but that's a big ask.

I am more than willing to give this management ticket a fair crack, so it is very early to be judging them. However, from what I've seen so far, we have an awful long road to travel before we start competing at anything like a high level again.

As you rightly point out, Pat took a lot of flak for those early results with the footballers but this is a whole different kettle of fish. I think he can turn things around but it's going to be a monumental task.

Stoner wrote: »

Initially he ran with the team of old.

Got hockied

Rebuilt in the league of 2010. Even though we went out early in the LFC there was a style of play developing from the league.

Had a great tail end run in the championship that year.

Won the AI the following year.

So yes relax. The whole team dynamic was a bag of sh1t when the new lads came in. You have to see if the returning guys still have it as well as checking the new additions
And TBH I was surprised at keaney when he came on he was in better shape than I thought he'd be.

Well there's no danger of us winning an AI in the next year or two

Ah, look, you're spot on in fairness. He'll need time to get the team playing his way. I'm just confused why we didn't see more of the older heads. Maybe they are nowhere near the fitness levels he requires but with a fairly limited number of games this year I'd like to see a more balanced team put out.

With that said, Saturday was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from us. There is usually a bit of a bounce in the step when a new lad takes the helm but what I saw was nothing short of an omnishambles.

I'm all on board giving them a fair crack but we need to see something better than what we had to endure at the weekend. It really isn't an overaction to say we were like a Junior team out there.

JRant wrote: »

Well there's no danger of us winning an AI in the next year or two

Ah, look, you're spot on in fairness. He'll need time to get the team playing his way. I'm just confused why we didn't see more of the older heads. Maybe they are nowhere near the fitness levels he requires but with a fairly limited number of games this year I'd like to see a more balanced team put out.

With that said, Saturday was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from us. There is usually a bit of a bounce in the step when a new lad takes the helm but what I saw was nothing short of an omnishambles.

I'm all on board giving them a fair crack but we need to see something better than what we had to endure at the weekend. It really isn't an overaction to say we were like a Junior team out there.

Getting relegated to third division, which is distinct possibility looking at the fixture list, would set hurling in the county back years. Footballers under Gilroy never had to play London in the league. That's the future.

Any word yet on Gavin's possible 15 for tonight?

It's looking like the third secret of Fatima,(mansions), will be revealed quicker.

Much stronger 15 for the Antrim game tomorrow. A must win game.