2020 All Ireland Senior Football Championship MOD NOTE POST #1

Fann Linn · 24-11-2020 12:36am

spurshero wrote: »

A Donegal team that couldn’t beat a Cavan team that had 2 players black carded so played 20 mins with a man less . I’m hope I’m wrong for the good of the game but I will be amazed if Cavan are not beaten by at least a dozen points next week . How ya think Donegal would give Dublin a game I don’t know .

That's why I didn't comment.

pgj2015 · 24-11-2020 12:37am

spurshero wrote: »

A Donegal team that couldn’t beat a Cavan team that had 2 players black carded so played 20 mins with a man less . I’m hope I’m wrong for the good of the game but I will be amazed if Cavan are not beaten by at least a dozen points next week . How ya think Donegal would give Dublin a game I don’t know .

You cant judge them on 1 game in November. if they played again next week Donegal might win by 10 points.

dunnerc · 24-11-2020 12:45am

pgj2015 wrote: »

You cant judge them on 1 game in November. if they played again next week Donegal might win by 10 points.

Might

EICVD · 24-11-2020 12:46am

pgj2015 wrote: »

why don't the GAA use fake crowd noise like the do in the premier league and the rugby? imagine an all Ireland with no noise.

Because it’s horrendous, I’d rather listen to Oisin mcconville

spurshero · 24-11-2020 12:48am

pgj2015 wrote: »

You cant judge them on 1 game in November. if they played again next week Donegal might win by 10 points.

Yesterday was the day that mattered though and no more then last year in castlebar when the pressure was on they folded . Personally I think Donegal have been overrated last 3 years and built up to be something there not .

gormdubhgorm · 24-11-2020 12:51am

spurshero wrote: »

A Donegal team that couldn’t beat a Cavan team that had 2 players black carded so played 20 mins with a man less . I’m hope I’m wrong for the good of the game but I will be amazed if Cavan are not beaten by at least a dozen points next week . How ya think Donegal would give Dublin a game I don’t know .

Style of play, team composition and that Murphy fella. Donegal always give the Dubs trouble. Even in an NFL game in Ballybofey even a few years ago, when a load of the new young lads were blooded like Thompson (2017).

Just because Donegal did not beat Cavan does not mean they might not have been able to beat the Dubs.

It is like saying because Tipp beat Cork and Cork beat Kerry. Tipp would have beaten Kerry!

Just because a team get caught in one match does not mean the result would be similar in another. It is just the beauty of knock out football on the day.

physioman · 24-11-2020 1:07am

seligehgit wrote: »

I'd be of a far less cynical mindset.

The vacancy was there and Harte literally bleeds football.

I'd say if he could have stayed in the Tyrone hotseat until the day he dies he'd have remained in place.

Great admiration for his gra for gaelic football.

He could easily have taken the handy number as a pundit in the BBC but rather took on a massive challenge in the wee county.

Wouldn't get as well paid as a pundit

gormdubhgorm · 24-11-2020 1:11am

physioman wrote: »

Wouldn't get as well paid as a pundit

That is the truth of it. Was open secret stuff when Val Andrews was there.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/eugene-mcgee-gaa-managers-board-50000-gravy-train-30703902.html

Always_Running · 24-11-2020 3:00am

threeball wrote: »

Which would be a great achievement if he could do it. I think the B all ireland is more valuable than a provincial.

Not sure how valuable it would be, they won the Tommy Murphy cup in 2006 and has been pretty much forgotten about. If they weren't cheated out of it in that 2010 Leinster final it would be remembered for many decades to come for the right reasons.

Likewise I doubt Tipp would swap their Munster title from yesterday for a B All-Ireland.

C__MC · 24-11-2020 7:41am

Granted donegal did beat Dublin 2014, dublin have very much owned the rivalry since. At least two comfortable championship wins and a few league wins.
Donegal did get a draw one year in ballybofey alright.

seligehgit · 24-11-2020 8:50am

physioman wrote: »

Wouldn't get as well paid as a pundit

You're totally missing the point I'm making.

Your narrative implies he is only taking on the role for the 30 pieces of silver.

I don't believe that to the case.

Not sure how many other vacancies exist but Mickey Harte at young age of 68 years old would be well within his right to hang up his boots.

However his love of gaelic football is unquantifiable.

I think he needs it and without putting on my non clinical psychologist hat same might relate to the tragic death of his daughter.

gormdubhgorm · 24-11-2020 1:07pm

seligehgit wrote: »

However his love of gaelic football is unquantifiable.

I think he needs it and without putting on my non clinical psychologist hat same might relate to the tragic death of his daughter.

I think the GAA and his strong faith keep him going somehow. Many other people in his situation would have cracked up and given up on thier faith as well.

He seems to have a great inner strength.

Enquiring · 24-11-2020 10:31pm

Those trying to have half the counties thrown into a b championship got their answer at the weekend. One day like that in 85 years means far more than any b title. If the b championship advocates (supporters of counties who will be in the a championship) had their way, Tipperary and Cavan wouldn't have had that glorious day on Sunday.

dobman88 · 24-11-2020 10:34pm

Enquiring wrote: »

Those trying to have half the counties thrown into a b championship got their answer at the weekend. One day like that in 85 years means far more than any b title. If the b championship advocates (supporters of counties who will be in the a championship) had their way, Tipperary and Cavan wouldn't have had that glorious day on Sunday.

Course the would. They'd still be playing in and have a chance for provincial honours and therefore would go into the A championship if they won it.

dobman88 · 24-11-2020 10:36pm

We will see how it goes against Dublin and Mayo for these counties I spose. I wouldn't be writing off a B championship as a knee jerk reaction to 2 surprise results. If the Ulster champions are beaten by 15 points by Dublin as is expected it makes more of a case for a B championship than anything imo.

Fr Tod Umptious · 24-11-2020 10:36pm

Enquiring wrote: »

Those trying to have half the counties thrown into a b championship got their answer at the weekend. One day like that in 85 years means far more than any b title. If the b championship advocates (supporters of counties who will be in the a championship) had their way, Tipperary and Cavan wouldn't have had that glorious day on Sunday.

Yes they would.

They both won their provincial championship.

That's something that they will be able to do in a season with a B championship too.

Enquiring · 24-11-2020 10:37pm

dobman88 wrote: »

Course the would. They'd still be playing in and have a chance for provincial honours and therefore would go into the A championship if they won it.

No! Only some want that system, many want an a and a b championship and to scrap the provincials.

Enquiring · 24-11-2020 10:39pm

dobman88 wrote: »

We will see how it goes against Dublin and Mayo for these counties I spose. I wouldn't be writing off a B championship as a knee jerk reaction to 2 surprise results. If the Ulster champions are beaten by 15 points by Dublin as is expected it makes more of a case for a B championship than anything imo.

So the a championship will consist of about 6 teams?

Fr Tod Umptious · 24-11-2020 10:39pm

Enquiring wrote: »

No! Only some want that system, many want an a and a b championship and to scrap the provincials.

So your talking about something that doesn't exist nor is proposed.

dobman88 · 24-11-2020 10:41pm

Enquiring wrote: »

No! Only some want that system, many want an a and a b championship and to scrap the provincials.

I'll be honest. That's the first I've heard of this

dobman88 · 24-11-2020 10:41pm

Enquiring wrote: »

So the a championship will consist of about 6 teams?

I dont know how it will be done. I'd assumed it was based on league positions and provincial winners but must admit I havent looked into it in any depth

Enquiring · 24-11-2020 10:42pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

So your talking about something that doesn't exist nor is proposed.

It doesn't exist, it has been proposed and they got their answer.

Girly Gal · 24-11-2020 11:20pm

Scrapping the provincial titles for an A and B all Ireland is a non runner. At the moment 4 and possibly 5 teams ( pre Covid) can win the provincial and all Ireland titles, under an A and B all Ireland system only 2 teams could win a title.
Outside of Leinster the weaker counties still have a chance to win the provincial titles.
There's no reason why a B championship can't be run while retaining the provincial system as is.
The Leinster championship is the only province that's uncompetitive at the moment due to Dublin's dominance which is a difficult problem to solve now

BonnieSituation · 24-11-2020 11:35pm

The main objections to the provincials is the inequity of each province and using it as a route to an all-Ireland Championship.

dobman88 · 24-11-2020 11:38pm

Girly Gal wrote: »

Scrapping the provincial titles for an A and B all Ireland is a non runner. At the moment 4 and possibly 5 teams ( pre Covid) can win the provincial and all Ireland titles, under an A and B all Ireland system only 2 teams could win a title.
Outside of Leinster the weaker counties still have a chance to win the provincial titles.
There's no reason why a B championship can't be run while retaining the provincial system as is.
The Leinster championship is the only province that's uncompetitive at the moment due to Dublin's dominance which is a difficult problem to solve now

I'd suggest Munster is just as uncompetitive as Leinster due to Kerry dominance despite this years results.

Girly Gal · 24-11-2020 11:55pm

dobman88 wrote: »

I'd suggest Munster is just as uncompetitive as Leinster due to Kerry dominance despite this years results.

Kerry are dominant, but, with the exception of 1 or 2 years, they generally have had at least 1 game usually against Cork where they have had to earn the title. Dublin on the other hand haven't had a competitive game in Leinster for years.

BonnieSituation · 25-11-2020 12:19am

Girly Gal wrote: »

Kerry are dominant, but, with the exception of 1 or 2 years, they generally have had at least 1 game usually against Cork where they have had to earn the title. Dublin on the other hand haven't had a competitive game in Leinster for years.

Oh, well that makes it okay.

Meanwhile in Ulster...

gormdubhgorm · 25-11-2020 12:33am

dobman88 wrote: »

I'd suggest Munster is just as uncompetitive as Leinster due to Kerry dominance despite this years results.

Fair play to to you for being honest. I find many people ignore the Kerry dominance because it is kind of accepted because 'ah sure that's the way it always was' - type of vibe. Haven't Kerry won something like 15 of the last 20?

But when Dublin are dominant suddenly eyebrows are raised. And no one asks why formerly strong counties like Meath and Kildare have fallen so far? Because outside of Leinster the back door should have benefited them. But they did little with it.

Obviously (as a Dub) I would like to see Dublin win against Cavan. But I hope Cavan are not walloped. It will do the image of the game no good, if Dublin give Cavan a right hiding.

Like when Kerry beat Sligo 3-13 to 0-5 in the 1975 AI SF. I fear it could be something similar in the Dubs v Cavan game. If so, it will take a bit of the good out of Cavan's win and the championship itself imo.

KIB4Life · 25-11-2020 12:59am

Girly Gal wrote: »

Kerry are dominant, but, with the exception of 1 or 2 years, they generally have had at least 1 game usually against Cork where they have had to earn the title. Dublin on the other hand haven't had a competitive game in Leinster for years.

In fairness over the last few years the teams in Munster have improved this will be Tipp’s second All Ireland Semi Final appearance in the last 5 years. It is 2010 since a Leinster county outside of Dublin have made the Semi’s. My own county Clare have improved over the last 5 or 6 years and we have been competitive enough against Kerry when we have met them in Cusack Park. We will be playing our 5th consecutive year in Division 2 next year. Limerick in the mid 2000’s and early 2010’s were fairly competitive and put it up to both Cork and Kerry and should have won at least one Munster.

So I don’t see the reason to bash Munster when Munster football is as strong as it has been in a long time while Leinster has gone the opposite direction when it was probably the most competitive province in the late 90’s early 2000’s.

manofwisdom · 25-11-2020 6:21am

dobman88 wrote: »

We will see how it goes against Dublin and Mayo for these counties I spose. I wouldn't be writing off a B championship as a knee jerk reaction to 2 surprise results. If the Ulster champions are beaten by 15 points by Dublin as is expected it makes more of a case for a B championship than anything imo.

How does that make more of case? Mayo lost by 10 points to Dublin last year and in 2017 Tyrone shipped a 12 point beating off The Dubs.

Regardless of manner of the likely defeat for Cavan in the upcoming AI semi their Ulster success last Sunday which included two wins over division 1 opposition will be remembered and talked about for many years to come in proud and footballing mad county who now know they can challenge and beat the best in Ulster.

Mantis Toboggan · 25-11-2020 10:52am

manofwisdom wrote: »

Regardless of manner of the likely defeat for Cavan in the upcoming AI semi their Ulster success last Sunday which included two wins over division 1 opposition will be remembered and talked about for many years to come in proud and footballing mad county who now know they can challenge and beat the best in Ulster.

True but if Cavan do get humiliated by Dublin as expected it will take some of the gloss off that Provincial title.

breezy1985 · 25-11-2020 10:53am

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

True but if Cavan do get humiliated by Dublin as expected it will take some of the gloss off that Provincial title.

No it wont

breezy1985 · 25-11-2020 10:56am

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Fair play to to you for being honest. I find many people ignore the Kerry dominance because it is kind of accepted because 'ah sure that's the way it always was' - type of vibe. Haven't Kerry won something like 15 of the last 20?

It's because most GAA fans in Munster don't care about football and even a lot of the ones that do get over it quickly because the hurlers will win something or give some hope they might.

Your average Leinster fan has nothing else to look forward to all year except the the football so a hiding from Dublin is much more of a problem over there

manofwisdom · 25-11-2020 2:42pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

True but if Cavan do get humiliated by Dublin as expected it will take some of the gloss off that Provincial title.

Don't believe it will, They are now in bonus territory and Dublin have given a trimming to more established top 8 teams than Cavan.

soap1978 · 25-11-2020 2:43pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

True but if Cavan do get humiliated by Dublin as expected it will take some of the gloss off that Provincial title.

how do u work that,so better not win ulster just incase dublin hammer u,a team that hasnt been beaten in the championship in over 5 years

Gallant_JJ · 25-11-2020 5:01pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

True but if Cavan do get humiliated by Dublin as expected it will take some of the gloss off that Provincial title.

Absolutely not, if you witnessed the joy around Cavan since Sunday evening, you would realise 10 hammerings at the hands of the Dubs wouldn't take the gloss of it.

average_runner · 25-11-2020 5:03pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

It's because most GAA fans in Munster don't care about football and even a lot of the ones that do get over it quickly because the hurlers will win something or give some hope they might.

Your average Leinster fan has nothing else to look forward to all year except the the football so a hiding from Dublin is much more of a problem over there

Average Leinster fan doesn't care about football either.

breezy1985 · 25-11-2020 5:06pm

average_runner wrote: »

Average Leinster fan doesn't care about football either.

I don't understand?

If it's a joke it's gone over my head

average_runner · 25-11-2020 5:10pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

I don't understand?

If it's a joke it's gone over my head

You said "Your average Leinster fan has nothing else to look forward to all year except the the football so a hiding from Dublin is much more of a problem over there"

Most in Leinster don't watch it anymore outside Dublin. No one cares any more.

breezy1985 · 25-11-2020 5:15pm

average_runner wrote: »

You said "Your average Leinster fan has nothing else to look forward to all year except the the football so a hiding from Dublin is much more of a problem over there"

Most in Leinster don't watch it anymore outside Dublin. No one cares any more.

Now I get ya. As a Limerick fan I prefer the league when it comes to football for similar reasons.

gormdubhgorm · 25-11-2020 7:22pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

It's because most GAA fans in Munster don't care about football and even a lot of the ones that do get over it quickly because the hurlers will win something or give some hope they might.

Your average Leinster fan has nothing else to look forward to all year except the the football so a hiding from Dublin is much more of a problem over there

Fair point never thought of it that way 'tradition' etc.

BonnieSituation · 25-11-2020 7:33pm

average_runner wrote: »

You said "Your average Leinster fan has nothing else to look forward to all year except the the football so a hiding from Dublin is much more of a problem over there"

Most in Leinster don't watch it anymore outside Dublin. No one cares any more.

Sure they don't.

blowitupref · 26-11-2020 12:01am

Mickey Hartes replacement is joint managers in Fergal Logan and Brian Dooher.

I can't think of many successful joint senior managers?

26-11-2020 9:40am

Shouldn't have went that route. Make a proper decision and put someone in charge.

Hammar · 26-11-2020 10:35am

blowitupref wrote: »

Mickey Hartes replacement is joint managers in Fergal Logan and Brian Dooher.

I can't think of many successful joint senior managers?

Eugene McKenna and Art McRory done well as a duo with Tyrone in the 90's.

blowitupref · 26-11-2020 9:28pm

Hammar wrote: »

Eugene McKenna and Art McRory done well as a duo with Tyrone in the 90's.

Never made much of an impact in the All Ireland series. Last match was round 4 qualifier defeat to Sligo in Croke Park in 2002.

Speaking of Sligo they appointed Tony McEntee as their new manager tonight when it was expected former player Eamon O’Hara would get the gig.

C__MC · 26-11-2020 10:06pm

I see kevin mc stay thinks the leinster championship will be on track if dublin have a few more away games
RTE at it's best

Hammar · 26-11-2020 10:17pm

blowitupref wrote: »

Never made much of an impact in the All Ireland series. Last match was round 4 qualifier defeat to Sligo in Croke Park in 2002.

Speaking of Sligo they appointed Tony McEntee as their new manager tonight when it was expected former player Eamon O’Hara would get the gig.

They got to an All Ireland final in 95.. and an All Ireland semi final in 96. I'd consider that making an impact. 3 Ulster titles plus 1 league title was a success in my opinion.

blowitupref · 26-11-2020 11:55pm

Hammar wrote: »

They got to an All Ireland final in 95.. and an All Ireland semi final in 96. I'd consider that making an impact. 3 Ulster titles plus 1 league title was a success in my opinion.

In the 90s Tyrone had 1 win (against Galway) in the AI series and the Dublin 1995 team was arguably the worse Senior All Ireland winner in the last 30 years while Tyrone relied too much Peter Canavan.

When they returned for a 2nd spell Tyrone flattered to deceive in their 2001/2002 campaigns when they got knocked out of the Championship by Sligo and Derry.

Having watched the Logan, Dooher press conference their county board see themselves as one of the elite teams and the bar of success will be reaching All-Ireland finals and competitive in those finals.

rrs · 27-11-2020 12:06am

Peter Donnelly back with Tyrone after a year with Monaghan as S/C coach, combining with Ulster Rugby.
They have Joe McMahon as part of the backroom teamz was with Fermangh this year and Collie Holmes.

Logan was the manager of the U21s in 15 and Dooher selector. Must have been proposed by the Clubs to be joint managers.

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