10 year anniversary of the death of Michael Jackson

sligeach · 25-06-2019 9:00pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Ppl don’t seem to realise that he was surrounded by the best of the best producers engineers sound arrangers musicians etc during his peak. Quincy Jones the man in charge. His label paid for it all.

other than a few co writes, wholesale copying of James brown dance moves and his “eccentric” vocals I struggle to see what his genius was.

You're an embarrassment and even the most ardent haters can see you for what you are.

Beechwoodspark · 25-06-2019 9:03pm

sligeach wrote: »

You're an embarrassment and even the most ardent haters can see you for what you are.

Stop referring to my messages. Reported again.

ceadaoin. · 25-06-2019 9:06pm

I do think he bleached his skin because of vitiligo. I have it myself, but I'm white so it's only noticeable really if I have a tan and easy enough to cover if I wanted. I totally understand why he would do that, that are some pictures where you can see patches of white on his face and chest. It's common to have other auto immune disorders once you have one so I believe the lupus thing too.

He was such a bizarre person that it's hard to know what to believe. That was intentional I think and part of his carefully crafted public persona. Didn't he put out some of the crazy stories himself? Like the weird tank/chamber thing. He was a very damaged person who I believe hurt a lot of children. Not some unique childlike character, just a plain old manipulative predator.

sligeach · 25-06-2019 9:08pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Stop referring to my messages. Reported again.

If you quote crap, I've every right to challenge it. It's called quoting by the way, for future reference.

Beechwoodspark · 25-06-2019 9:10pm

A plain old manipulative predator sums it up well ceadoin.

He was a monster.

I’m glad to know his music is banned and in the dustbin of history along with the enablers in his family.

Shame on them.

Ken. · 25-06-2019 9:11pm

Mod- Sligeach and beechwoodspark thread banned. Get a fücking room and stop sniping at each other. Use the ignore function.

Edgware · 25-06-2019 9:16pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

People keep saying sleepovers with “children”, but it was almost exclusively young boys.

And Bubbles

Deadlift kid · 25-06-2019 9:34pm

Best place for him tbh some mightnt like it but its my opinion people are naive to think he was innocent great musician awful nonce , example as I myself was a child victim who lived through certain incidences that scarred me I can see all the similiarities today through adult eyes the grooming friendship the play B.S the gifts its very clear but when your a child you dont see it he was a nonce I see all the simialrity to own story suppose jimmy saville was innocent too yeah right.. disgusting the both of them

TheRepentent · 25-06-2019 9:40pm

He was a creepy fukker...As a parent there ain't a hope in hell I'd leave my child with him.

FTA69 · 25-06-2019 9:52pm

Dirty nonce and shame on those fawning over him.

wiggle16 · 25-06-2019 10:13pm

OOOOOH!

That means this exact time ten years ago I was at a Misfits concert in the Academy. When it was over everyone started getting texts with Michael Jackson jokes, out of nowhere. Took a while to figure out why.

That was a great night.

Strumms · 25-06-2019 10:46pm

Should have been somebody within his circle, be it family, managers or whoever that could say...

“you know what, you don’t have any bad intentions ok, but for a grown man to be inviting kids you are not related to, over for a sleepover, you being 50, them being kids, it’s not cool, it’s inappropriate. You can invite your ‘friends’ during the day, have a BBQ, play games whatever but a sleepover, no, think about it”

Deadlift kid · 25-06-2019 10:49pm

FTA69 wrote:

Dirty nonce and shame on those fawning over him.

100% agree its just a shame he died before he was truly found out he was a predator no doubt,

and mostly very young boys its quiet a common thing acrosss the board with paedophiles boys over girls 98% of the time,

I could notice a nonce from in room of 100 men ive lived it as I know is common from other peole I know who lived these things they nonces always try come across as Cool to kids ... amusement parks on a ranch of multi multi millionaire alarm bells are ringing

Gimme A Pound · 25-06-2019 11:02pm

I'd say his childhood messed him up in a big way. I wouldn't be surprised if he was preyed upon as a little boy too, sadly.

I believe also that he did want to compensate somewhat for the childhood he lost.

But I don't consider it realistic for a man who became the biggest star in the world, recording the biggest selling album of all time... to be a naive, completely childlike man unaware of the weirdness of having sleepovers with under-age boys (dropping them when they got too old and becoming weirdly interested in the next lot). A man like that would be considered a bit touched in any other situation - the idea of him being a massively wealthy business man wouldn't even be considered.

I don't know whether he abused those boys - but I think it's, at best, wishful thinking to insist outright that he didn't.

PressRun · 25-06-2019 11:05pm

An exceptionally talented individual and a true icon.
Which is precisely why I don't accept the 'child trapped in a man's body' argument.
He was self-aware enough and capable enough to write multiple hit records, cultivate an iconic personal image, and organise world tours, but we're still supposed to believe that he had no idea that there was anything wrong with having sleepovers with other people's children and bringing 'child companions' with him on his tours.
Quincy Jones said Jackson played the public like a fiddle, and I'm inclined to believe that, as 10 years after his death you still have people tying themselves in knots trying to defend his inappropriate behaviour around children. Even if nothing sexual happened with these kids, he crossed a line, and as many have mentioned, if he wasn't Michael Jackson and was your daughter's PE teacher or something instead, people wouldn't be so forgiving.

He was a true talent all the same. A prodigy really. It's possible for people to be more than one thing at once.
Would I leave my kids with him? Not a chance.
Do I care if people still want to listen to his music? No, not really.

Irish Guitarist · 25-06-2019 11:47pm

His nephew has a Gofundme page trying to get money to make a film proving his innocence. The fucker should be banned but instead he's gotten over $160,000 from gullible idiots.

B.A._Baracus · 26-06-2019 12:24am

o1s1n wrote: »

Actually there is often smoke without fire when it comes to allegations of this type.

When you use that phrase you're basically saying 'all allegations are true and those accused are automatically guilty'

I hate people who argue with that expression. We all know what it means. But some, like yourself, have to get poncy and get smart.

Fact was there was a lot of "smoke" about Jackson being a pedo for years. By different people. Guess they were all wrong? I mean look at Jackson how he wanted to be white. If that was someone else you'd call them a weirdo and the idea of them being a. Pedo wouldn't be shocking.

Actually on that subject another gripe I have is that just because Michael Jackson belted out a few good hits people don't immediately assume the worst. But if it was some random geezer living in the estate you wouldn't think twice to condemn them.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 26-06-2019 5:25am

MOR316 wrote: »

If you want to believe he's a paedophile, you will. Doesn't matter what may show his innocence in certain situations or how many people that knew him come out and say it, that's your mind made up. Maybe, you're right? Who knows?
If you believe he is a paedophile perhaps you should reconsider your opinion on Bowie, Rolling Stones (Wyman) Elvis etc, giving how they slept/married underage kids?

However...

If you want to believe he's innocent, you are confronted with the fact that he shared his bed/bedroom with other people's children and no matter how innocent anyone tries to portray it, it raises an eyebrow for anyone. Or maybe, you're right? Who knows?

Fact is, none of us will ever know for sure!

I watched that documentary, admittedly going into it thinking, "this will prove it"
After watching it, I done some research and I came to the conclusion that it's a load of rubbish, filled with lies with an incredible amount of contradictions. It's very unethical from a journalism point of view. Sets a dangerous precedent but, that's another discussion for another topic

As for the man himself, whether you like the music or not, he was one of the greats. There is no question about that.
Perhaps controversially for some on here, I read about his humanitarian work recently, what he done for both sick adults and kids and animals and I have to be honest, that inspires me to try and do something to help others.

Anyway, dinner time

How do you know people criticising Jackson haven’t judged these folks? What does mentioning them achieve? It comes across as deflection, which isn’t a good look. So they’re all complete fückers. Happy?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 26-06-2019 5:40am

MOR316 wrote: »

I have no bias.

I don't pay attention to anything the media says about him because I remember some years back, the same paper carried two separate articles, on the same day, stating he was homosexual in one article and was a rampant sex machine, who was fathering many kids in another

I learned my lesson that day! I make up my own mind and think independently. It's why I done some research after watching that LN movie

This isn’t some unique trait. Plenty of people did likewise and still concluded that they believe LN and/or various other allegations they heard down the years. It doesn’t mean that they don’t “think independently”. That trait doesn’t mean the same conclusion will be reached by all. Many people have decent research skills - anyone who has completed a tough degree for example. And some of them don’t believe in Jackson’s innocence. So can we get off the whole “I’m an Independent ThinkerTM unlike the rest of yiz” nonsense?

PistolsAtDawn · 26-06-2019 5:55am

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

We're living in a time when it has become so fashionable to accuse people of sexual assault, and so fashionable to be part of the Me Too movement. There are actually lots of girls and guys out there who feel left out and want a Me Too story. It's sad, but that's the world we live in now.
When he was on trial his music was played non stop and even more and more on the radio, back in 1993 his music was played more and more, his world tour sold out. But today two people who defended him non stop change their story and they somehow trump a criminal investigation by professional police and detectives from the LAPD to the FBI, to the CIA, and now we must not play his music because two guys who are broke have some make belief story, and want money. It's kinda funny if it wasn't so tragic.

I'll play his music anytime, anywhere I want. If someone has a problem with it then fu*k them. I have a problem with someone telling me what I can and can't listen too.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 26-06-2019 6:04am

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

His nephew has a Gofundme page trying to get money to make a film proving his innocence. The fucker should be banned but instead he's gotten over $160,000 from gullible idiots.

That’s quite low, to be honest. If everyone who donated chipped in $10, that would only be 16,000 people worldwide. There’s more than 200 countries in the world. Around 80 people per country (though of course the distribution would vary because of population differences). I thought support for him was legion.

PistolsAtDawn wrote: »

I'll play his music anytime, anywhere I want. If someone has a problem with it then fu*k them. I have a problem with someone telling me what I can and can't listen too.

I don’t think you’re going to experience much criticism for listening to his music. Such defensiveness seems OTT.

MOR316 · 26-06-2019 6:42am

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

This isn’t some unique trait. Plenty of people did likewise and still concluded that they believe LN and/or various other allegations they heard down the years. It doesn’t mean that they don’t “think independently”. That trait doesn’t mean the same conclusion will be reached by all. Many people have decent research skills - anyone who has completed a tough degree for example. And some of them don’t believe in Jackson’s innocence. So can we get off the whole “I’m an Independent ThinkerTM unlike the rest of yiz” nonsense?

I dont believe I directed that at anyone, other than the poster I was replying to, who said I should draw my own conclusions.

Perhaps you should read the whole thing before you lash out like that?

MOR316 · 26-06-2019 6:46am

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

How do you know people criticising Jackson haven’t judged these folks? What does mentioning them achieve? It comes across as deflection, which isn’t a good look. So they’re all complete fückers. Happy?

Why would that make me happy?
Strangers on the internet, agreeing or disagreeing with me, is not a source of happiness or sadness to me.

I was just making a remark I made in a discussion. I'm not here to change people's minds.
What other people do, listen to, believe or don't believe is none of my business.

weldoninhio · 26-06-2019 7:25am

MOR316 wrote: »

Why would that make me happy?
Strangers on the internet, agreeing or disagreeing with me, is not a source of happiness or sadness to me.

I was just making a remark I made in a discussion. I'm not here to change people's minds.
What other people do, listen to, believe or don't believe is none of my business.

You get awfully defensive of the dirt box for someone who states that last line.

MOR316 · 26-06-2019 8:03am

weldoninhio wrote: »

You get awfully defensive of the dirt box for someone who states that last line.

Not at all. Just setting the good man/woman straight in terms of what he/she quoted me on.

As I said, it's none of my business what anyone thinks, listens to or does. I'd have asked otherwise
Then again, now I think about it, it's also none of my business what anyone thinks of me either so, if you wish to think I'm defensive, work away

Gimme A Pound · 26-06-2019 8:57am

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

How do you know people criticising Jackson haven’t judged these folks? What does mentioning them achieve? It comes across as deflection, which isn’t a good look. So they’re all complete fückers. Happy?

Yeah I don't get why people do that. No evidence people haven't changed their perspective on those other artists. And it doesn't change anything regarding Jackson.

PistolsAtDawn wrote: »

I'll play his music anytime, anywhere I want. If someone has a problem with it then fu*k them. I have a problem with someone telling me what I can and can't listen too.

Lol you're such a rebel.

(Who the hell is going to stop you from listening to MJ? Listen away to him).

Gimme A Pound · 26-06-2019 9:00am

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

now we must not play his music.

Who says we must not play his music? I'm gonna put on Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough now... I'd better brace myself for arrest.

Boggles · 26-06-2019 9:20am

PistolsAtDawn wrote: »

I'll play his music anytime, anywhere I want.

Funeral?

Pissartist · 28-06-2019 8:29am

Edgware wrote: »

Any news of Bubbles. He was the intelligent one in that relationship

he was left with a big red swiss role

BorneTobyWilde · 21-07-2019 2:48am

fitriv uyda · 21-07-2019 5:30am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXfz_0JbRpg

Manic Moran · 22-07-2019 6:32am

From watching the continuous coverage of his death on the news (three days later, he was still dead, so I guess the arising never happened) one could have been mistaken for thinking it was the most important thing going on in the world at the time. I was in Afghanistan, I had a different/minority priority sequence, apparently.

Boggles · 22-07-2019 10:18am

Manic Moran wrote: »

From watching the continuous coverage of his death on the news (three days later, he was still dead, so I guess the arising never happened) one could have been mistaken for thinking it was the most important thing going on in the world at the time. I was in Afghanistan, I had a different/minority priority sequence, apparently.

I was doing war Y'all.

Yeah I would imagine the global focus would have been on Jackson and his death and not some random-er in Afghanistan.

Would have been weird the other way around.

Manic Moran · 22-07-2019 12:22pm

Of all the problems in the world in 2009, did the death of Jackson really merit three days of headline coverage? Was there really nothing more important?

o1s1n · 22-07-2019 12:33pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

Of all the problems in the world in 2009, did the death of Jackson really merit three days of headline coverage? Was there really nothing more important?

It wasn't just his death, it was the huge world event surrounding his death. Whether you liked him or not, he has an absolutely massive fan base and was arguably one of, if not, the biggest pop stars of all time.

Might have also been a slow news period. I can't see anything interesting in the subsequent days, maybe this should have gone out as headliner instead?

26th of June 2009:

Australia Wallabies Cause Crop Circles
During a hearing on poppy crop security, the attorney general for Tasmania, Lara Giddings, reported that wallabies had been creating crop circles in poppy fields. She reported findings that wallabies had been eating opium poppies grown legally for medicinal purposes, getting high off of the poppies, and then wandering around the fields and crashing, creating crop circles and causing damage. The reported wallaby incidents seemed to be rare, however, farmers also reported that sheep would often get into the crops and cause the same problems.

Boggles · 22-07-2019 1:15pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

Of all the problems in the world in 2009, did the death of Jackson really merit three days of headline coverage? Was there really nothing more important?

Couldn't tell you.

But here you are 10 years later posting about it.

kunst nugget · 22-07-2019 2:02pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Did he just spot a kid in the audience?

MOR316 · 22-07-2019 9:18pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

Of all the problems in the world in 2009, did the death of Jackson really merit three days of headline coverage? Was there really nothing more important?

Biggest pop star that ever existed arguably.
A pop and cultural icon
Like him or not, the guy was a phenomenon

It's what draws the viewers and readers and engages them.The plight of farmers during the summer months isn't going to draw attention or sell papers. You mention the man's name and boom, you're in the paper! Whether you're telling porkies or not.

It's the way of the world

Personally, I'm more of a Steely Dan kinda guy myself but, however.

Edgware · 23-07-2019 12:01pm

It's poor Bubbles I have sympathy for

Bobblehats · 23-07-2019 12:58pm

magic_murph · 23-07-2019 12:59pm

Once a creep, always a creep.

AllForIt · 23-07-2019 2:22pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

From watching the continuous coverage of his death on the news (three days later, he was still dead, so I guess the arising never happened) one could have been mistaken for thinking it was the most important thing going on in the world at the time. I was in Afghanistan, I had a different/minority priority sequence, apparently.

3 days! Is that all? I bet Lennon and Elvis got a lot more than that.

Anyway, if anyone every asks you where you were when Jackson died 'Afghanistan' is pretty cool answer.

LordBasil · 23-07-2019 2:32pm

One of the things I've found most annoying since Leaving Neverland, has been the insistance from some MJ haters that anyone who questions Robson and Safechuck's claims are deluded MJ Stans or Pedo Defenders.

If people have decided MJ's guilt based on that 'documentary', please note the following;

Safechuck & Robson both only 'remembered' they were abused in 2013, which is convenient as both their famillies were sued in unrelated matters then.

There is a stature of limitations of 15 years for sexual abuse allegations in California, except if you only realise that you were abused after this has passed. Robson knew what sexual abuse was back in 1993 when he publically defended MJ and then again he defended MJ during his 2005 trial, again, how convenient.

Speaking of the trial, there is a Statute of Limitations of 7 years for perjury in California. If Wade comitted perjury in 2005, the statute expired in 2012, meaning he can't be prosecuted, again, how convenient.

Both Brett Barnes and Macauley Culkin, along with many others, have confirmed that MJ NEVER did anything inappropriate/sexual with them, this contradicts the insinuation that Robson & Safechuck were replaced by Culkin and Barnes in MJ's affections/desires.

The narrative that MJ wanted to keep his 'boys' apart is also bogus as there are pictures of Safechuck, Robson, Barnes all together with MJ.

Another thing totally ignored was the fact MJ set up Robson with his niece Brandi. This smashes the narrative that MJ wanted to keep them away from girls.

Safechuck claims that MJ wanted nothing to do with him once he hit puberty, however there are photos of Safechuck being with MJ and Lisa Marie Presley in 1994 when Safechuck was 16.

Then there are the many claims made by both Robson, Safechuck and their famillies that are completely discredited;

Safechuck claims that he was abused over Thanksgiving 1987 in Neverland but MJ was in Australia on tour then.

Safechuck said him and MJ had a fake wedding in 1988 and went on Honeymoon to Euro Disneyland but Disneyland Paris did not open until 1992.

Safechuck said he was abused by MJ in New York after MJs performance at the Grammy Awards in 1989 but the 1989 Grammys were held in LA and MJ did not perform at them.

Then there is the Train Station debacle when Safechuck claimed he was abused in a building between 1988 - 92 that wasn't built until 1994!

Safechuck claims he was given the 'Thriller' Jacket as a gift by MJ as a sign of his affection for him however there were 2 jackets. One was given by MJ to the designers and the other is currently in a museum.

Robson's mother has stated twice, under oath, that Wade went with his family to the Grand Canyon in January 1990 and was therefore not left alone in Neverland with MJ where he alleges the abuse started then.

Robson has stated previously that he visited Neverland 14 times but MJ was only there on 4 of those occasions.

Robson claims he was forced to testify in MJs defence in 2005 but no subpoena was issued to him to do so.

At the end of Leaving Neverland, Safechuck and Robson burn MJ memorablia and gifts from him, the items burnt were fakes, the real items were sold previously.

Robson continued to publically dance to MJs music and defend MJ until he was rejected from chereographing the MJ Cirque De Soleil Show, it was only after that rejection did these abuse claims start.

There are other examples of these things aswell.

Sorry for the long rant.

Theboinkmaster · 31-01-2024 3:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/110767047#Comment_110767047

100% accurate and thank you for calling out. I was watching the greatest night in pop last night on Netflix and reminded my how incredible Michael Jackson was.

I've also watched Convicting a Murderer and shows very clearly how "documentaries" and TV shows can often by complete nonsense and full misinformation. The Netflix show Making a Murderer is just complete fraud and lies and what's shocking is many people believed it and actually became Steven Avery advocates.

Same applies to mainstream media when it comes to Michael Jackson and that Neverland doc as illustrated above is utter nonsense.

I believe he was 100% innocent.

Allegations 1 - insurance company and people around him forced Michael Jackson to settle the civil case so not to cancel the 1992 BAD world tour and lose everyone millions. Not enough evidence to go to criminal trial.

Allegations 2 - Michael Jackson, now tarnished reputation, decides to fight extortion attempt and is completely exonerated at trial. Despite 10 year FBI and sheriff county investigation

Allegations 3 - 2 lads after he's died - 1 of which is a proven liar. Seeking BILLIONS from his estate and per above telling a load of inconsistent lies in a shambles "documentary"

Michael Jackson had literally thousands of kids and families at his home over the years and the FBI and sheriff couldn't get anyone else to testify against him and most of the claims are civil i.e. looking for money. If he really was guilty there'd be a lot more victims coming forward (ala Harvey Weinstein) - the floodgates would open.

This is also another example of mainstream media selling negative stories for clicks and spinning certain false narratives.

The netflix doc greatest night in pop is quite good - check it out.

Montage of Feck · 02-02-2024 1:58pm

I think his credibility died over 20 years ago which is probably why he's the only person I'm not surprised is dead such a length of time.

Theboinkmaster · 08-02-2024 11:41am

Fascinating interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu4dSB_8KOc

Tork · 08-02-2024 4:45pm

Can you tell us why this is fascinating and why anybody should sit down and watch a long long video? It is over 2½ hours long. That's a very long time for a link dump.

Theboinkmaster · 08-02-2024 5:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121740436#Comment_121740436

Because this man knew Michael Jackson very well and goes into a lot of detail around his life and allegations. What he says 100% backs up previous defensive posts on this thread.

If you've no interest in Michael Jackson or forming an opinion on the allegations absolutely don't waste your time watching it. But if everyone is so desperate to have an opinion all the time on everything so please inform yourself first.

So for example lots of people say "ah sure Michael Jackson was a pedo" or "JK Rowling is transphobic" or "Andrew Tate is an idiot".

But those people are just being sheep and following snippets from mainstream media/social media echo chamber without their own critical thinking. For example on the JK one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIPPpsJY39c

So if you're one of those people who say "Michael Jackson was a pedo" then do your research first or else just don't make a comment about it.

Tork · 08-02-2024 6:16pm

All I was asking for was a brief explanation as to what was in the video. Do you really think anybody is going to start watching something as long as this without you making the effort to at least sell the contents of it? For all I know, it could be somebody going on for 2½ hours about how to make sourdough.

Theboinkmaster · 08-02-2024 6:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121740864#Comment_121740864

Is that not obvious from the video title and my response? It's his bodyguard talking about him as a person, his life and the allegations made against him.

10 year anniversary of the death of Michael Jackson

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