10 year anniversary of the death of Michael Jackson

Jerichoholic · 25-06-2019 2:08pm

Coming up to Jimmy Saville's 8th year anniversary too.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 25-06-2019 2:08pm

Woke Hogan wrote: »

If he was still living, even if he wasn't a paedophile, his music would have been consigned to the past by now. He had a huge resurgence of popularity in the last ten years because he died but for a decade or more before he died he was just another 80s relic.

I liked some of his songs a lot. But, you know what? I’ve been sick of even those songs for a long time now. They were over-played. I’d be happy to never hear Billie Jean again. And, even when I liked a good scatter of his songs, he never figured when I was considering who my favourite artists were or who I thought the all time greats were. He would never enter the equation for me.

branie2 · 25-06-2019 2:08pm

Jerichoholic wrote: »

Coming up to Jimmy Saville's 8th year anniversary too.

He definitely isn't missed!

who the fug · 25-06-2019 2:10pm

Zaph wrote: »

I think I'd rather catastrophic climate change than have to listen to that song ever again. I will admit I'm not a fan, but God I despise that song in particular.

I am a fan, but will admit he went up his own arse in the end with that sort of rubbish

Pissartist · 25-06-2019 2:11pm

branie2 wrote: »

He definitely isn't missed!

well he did alot for charity

kunst nugget · 25-06-2019 2:13pm

branie2 wrote: »

He definitely isn't missed!

I wish everyone would stop criticising Jimmy Savile. He was a nice man. When I was eight, he fixed it for me to milk a cow blindfolded.

TheIrishGrover · 25-06-2019 2:13pm

I remember it well. I was at Glastonbury.

Woke up early in morning. Heard news on my little radio "Once again, the King of Pop is dead". Holy moly. So went to a tent for breakfast. three guys talking:

"You hear Michael Jackson died?"
"No, it idiot, it was Michael Jordan. Sure he has had AIDS for years"
"No, it was Michael FLATLEY"
"You WISH it was Michael Flatley"

Went to The Other stage. By this time everyone knew. Nick Cave was on stage. Says:
"This song goes out to a legend who died today. This song's for you Farrah Fawcett!" (Same day. Totally overshadowed)

25-06-2019 2:15pm

CPTM wrote: »

Being an adult and having sleepovers with children is a good example of passing below the minimum standard required for being a good and decent member of society. Guilty or not guilty, we need to have higher standards than that, unless of course we're speaking of jail time or punishment, which we're not.

Do the kids parents not have a standard to reach?

martingriff · 25-06-2019 2:16pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Well, people are free to believe what they want because thankfully the thought police don’t exist.

So do you believe anyone who is charged with these types of charges are always guilty

25-06-2019 2:18pm

magic_murph wrote: »

The allegations against him are enough for me to never listen to his music again. Was never really a fan but would turn off the radio if one his tunes came on.
No smoke without fire.

Are you sure?

I could make up a cart load of allegations about you, never prove anything, accuse you of all sorts.

No smoke without fire?

Yer Da sells Avon · 25-06-2019 2:18pm

I learned of Michael Jackson's death via a Michael Jackson joke, before anything had even been confirmed. My dad sent me the following text message: "Apparently the boogie has been brought in for questioning, but the sunshine and moonlight are also in the frame". Not knowing what the hell he was on about, I responded with "what?" and received the following curt message: "Put Sky News on".

kunst nugget · 25-06-2019 2:19pm

Pissartist wrote: »

well he did alot for charity

Like that sexual abuse charity that was crying out for new people to help out. He worked night and day for them.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 25-06-2019 2:20pm

martingriff wrote: »

So do you believe anyone who is charged with these types of charges are always guilty

Of course not. I look at each individual case and decide for myself. And so long as I don’t defame anyone, there’s not a whole lot people can do about what I think re: any particular case. And of course, Jackson can’t even be defamed anymore.

martingriff · 25-06-2019 2:28pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Of course not. I look at each individual case and decide for myself. And so long as I don’t defame anyone, there’s not a whole lot people can do about what I think re: any particular case. And of course, Jackson can’t even be defamed anymore.

Why the hell are you getting so worked up about taught police and all that jesus you can think what you want. You made a general no fire without smoke comment about someone who can have allegation and as this is a public site people are questioning you. Are we not allowed to do that? Thank god there is no taught police

Woke Hogan · 25-06-2019 2:30pm

martingriff wrote: »

Why the hell are you getting so worked up about taught police and all that jesus you can think what you want. You made a general no fire without smoke comment about someone who can have allegation and as this is a public site people are questioning you. Are we not allowed to do that? Thank god there is no taught police

More importantly it’s a pity the paedophile police never caught Michael Jackson.

kunst nugget · 25-06-2019 2:31pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Do the kids parents not have a standard to reach?

Without a doubt. They completely failed their children.

kunst nugget · 25-06-2019 2:32pm

martingriff wrote: »

Why the hell are you getting so worked up about taught police and all that jesus you can think what you want. You made a general no fire without smoke comment about someone who can have allegation and as this is a public site people are questioning you. Are we not allowed to do that? Thank god there is no taught police

I don't know... taught police might be handy.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 25-06-2019 2:37pm

martingriff wrote: »

Why the hell are you getting so worked up about taught police and all that jesus you can think what you want. You made a general no fire without smoke comment about someone who can have allegation and as this is a public site people are questioning you. Are we not allowed to do that? Thank god there is no taught police

I’m not getting worked up!

And I’m certainly not saying that people can’t comment as they see fit. What are you on about?

Oh and it wasn’t me who made the initial “no smoke without fire” comment. It kinda seems like you’re the one who is a bit worked up, to be honest, because you didn’t even check to see who made that initial comment.

Boggles · 25-06-2019 2:42pm

Woke Hogan wrote: »

If he was still living, even if he wasn't a paedophile, his music would have been consigned to the past by now. He had a huge resurgence of popularity in the last ten years because he died but for a decade or more before he died he was just another 80s relic.

2 out of the top 10 grossing world tours in in 93 and 97.

Sold out the 02 Arena in London 50 times over before he died.

Didn't like his music myself but Relic me bollix.

razorblunt · 25-06-2019 2:44pm

I would like to take this opportunity to once again apologise to Jarvis Cocker for thinking he was the weirdo in all of this.

Ursus Horribilis · 25-06-2019 2:45pm

Jackson's life story is a cautionary tale about how putting a kid into showbiz will mess them up. He never had a chance. Awful father, famous from when he was too young, never had a proper role model or people to keep him in the straight and narrow. I don't buy into the belief that he was a child trapped in a man's body. He was a weirdo oddball who used his fame and persona to gain access to kids. He was a creep. I believe the abuse allegations but understand why others might not. There was definitely something very "off" about him and it's not something that can be explained away by the "poor innocent Michael, didn't he have a strange life?" angle

He destroyed himself with all that plastic surgery and drug addiction. Would he really have made it through that tour given how frail he was?

I don't have a problem with his music being continued to be played. He was never found guilty of anything during his lifetime (I think that might have changed) so technically he's an innocent man. Let everybody make up their own minds about him.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 25-06-2019 2:48pm

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

Jackson's life story is a cautionary tale about how putting a kid into showbiz will mess them up. He never had a chance. Awful father, famous from when he was too young, never had a proper role model or people to keep him in the straight and narrow. I don't buy into the belief that he was a child trapped in a man's body. He was a weirdo oddball who used his fame and persona to gain access to kids. He was a creep. I believe the abuse allegations but understand why others might not. There was definitely something very "off" about him and it's not something that can be explained away by the "poor innocent Michael, didn't he have a strange life?" angle

He destroyed himself with all that plastic surgery and drug addiction. Would he really have made it through that tour given how frail he was?

I don't have a problem with his music being continued to be played. He was never found guilty of anything during his lifetime (I think that might have changed) so technically he's an innocent man. Let everybody make up their own minds about him.

I don’t either, to be honest.

martingriff · 25-06-2019 2:50pm

kunst nugget wrote: »

I don't know... taught police might be handy.

Nah love arguing

Woke Hogan · 25-06-2019 3:22pm

Boggles wrote: »

2 out of the top 10 grossing world tours in in 93 and 97.

Sold out the 02 Arena in London 50 times over before he died.

Didn't like his music myself but Relic me bollix.

A nostalgia act, like many others.

TheIrishGrover · 25-06-2019 3:23pm

Not counting his personal life I think it would be very silly to disregard him as another 80's relic as someone said. He revolutionised pop music as we know it. Just listen to Justin Timberlake's songs and tell me that they were not heavily influenced by Jackson. His songs sound like Jackson's songs, he sings like him, dances like him. If Timberlake has had an influence on pop music it is because basically he is replicating his music style.

Plus.... It's THOUGHT Police....... Jesus

Ursus Horribilis · 25-06-2019 3:24pm

Woke Hogan wrote: »

A nostalgia act, like many others.

I don't think the world would be eagerly awaiting his new music. He wrote some bangers back in the day but his later stuff was less than memorable.

Jerichoholic · 25-06-2019 3:25pm

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Not counting his personal life I think it would be very silly to disregard him as another 80's relic as someone said. He revolutionised pop music as we know it. Just listen to Justin Timberlake's songs and tell me that they were not heavily influenced by Jackson. His songs sound like Jackson's songs, he sings like him, dances like him. If Timberlake has had an influence on pop music it is because basically he is replicating his music style.

Plus.... It's THOUGHT Police....... Jesus

Nope, no thanks.

Boggles · 25-06-2019 3:25pm

Woke Hogan wrote: »

A nostalgia act, like many others.

There isn't many others putting up those numbers.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 25-06-2019 3:27pm

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Not counting his personal life I think it would be very silly to disregard him as another 80's relic as someone said. He revolutionised pop music as we know it. Just listen to Justin Timberlake's songs and tell me that they were not heavily influenced by Jackson. His songs sound like Jackson's songs, he sings like him, dances like him. If Timberlake has had an influence on pop music it is because basically he is replicating his music style.

Plus.... It's THOUGHT Police....... Jesus

Just wanna point out, not all of us made that mistake. :pac:

Justin Timberlake is most definitely influenced by Jackson. I prefer Timberlake’s music though actually.

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

I don't think the world would be eagerly awaiting his new music. He wrote some bangers back in the day but his later stuff was less than memorable.

True, he had gone off the boil by the ‘90s. Badly.

ceadaoin. · 25-06-2019 3:34pm

It a bit weird how making jokes about child abuse is ok when it comes to Michael Jackson. I can't imagine jokes like that being made and allowed in any other scenarios.

AudreyHepburn · 25-06-2019 3:36pm

Where did those 10 years go!

As for MJ himself - an incredible musician and performer but a seriously messed up individual. It’s hard to know how to feel about him really.

CPTM · 25-06-2019 3:48pm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It a bit weird how making jokes about child abuse is ok when it comes to Michael Jackson. I can't imagine jokes like that being made and allowed in any other scenarios.

I wouldn't spend too much time exploring the boundaries of comedy, you'll reach horribly dark places!

Cienciano · 25-06-2019 3:49pm

My 7 year old kid loves his music. A lot of it has aged well to be honest.

Boggles · 25-06-2019 3:49pm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It a bit weird how making jokes about child abuse is ok when it comes to Michael Jackson. I can't imagine jokes like that being made and allowed in any other scenarios.

Really?

Catholic Church, Rolf Harris, Gary Glitter, etc.

I have heard literally 100s, essentially a lot of them the same joke changed a bit most of them by popular comedians.

I just don’t understand it: Why would you become an Islamic fundamentalist suicide bomber on the off chance you might get 72 virgins when you die? Become a Catholic priest and have them now!

- Jimmy Carr.

sligeach · 25-06-2019 3:52pm

Some haters just can't help themselves.

Relic? MJ still posts numbers that other artists would be jealous of and his Estate is worth billions. Even in death he still contributes greatly to charity. I think it's estimated that over his lifetime he donated around $500 million.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 25-06-2019 3:56pm

Well, some people probably do find his music forgettable. It’s all a matter of opinion. If a person does regard his music that way, the amount of downloads isn’t going to change their mind, is it?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 25-06-2019 3:57pm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It a bit weird how making jokes about child abuse is ok when it comes to Michael Jackson. I can't imagine jokes like that being made and allowed in any other scenarios.

But this though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9lRN_f9bNw

Woke Hogan · 25-06-2019 3:58pm

Had Michael Jackson not died when he did he would have nowhere near those numbers. Not that I give a hoot about any of those other nostalgia acts touring the blue rinse circuit.

freshpopcorn · 25-06-2019 3:59pm

I saw him in Charles De Gaulle in June 2006. He flew into Cork and I flew into Dublin. He died around the same time in 2009.

Cienciano · 25-06-2019 4:01pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Well, some people probably do find his music forgettable. It’s all a matter of opinion. If a person does regard his music that way, the amount of downloads isn’t going to change their mind, is it?

It's just a stupid comment from yer man. It's human nature to do that, any comedian who does anything wrong, start a thread and you'll have 100 replies saying "I never thought he was funny anyway".

I definitely think his music will be around for a while, lot of the early stuff especially. Up to Bad

Greyfox · 25-06-2019 4:02pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Well, some people probably do find his music forgettable. It’s all a matter of opinion. If a person does regard his music that way, the amount of downloads isn’t going to change their mind, is it?

The point is only a minority feel this way, the actual reality is in 100 years when were all dead there will still be people listening to Michael jackson's music

Theboinkmaster · 25-06-2019 4:05pm

Woke Hogan wrote: »

Had Michael Jackson not died when he did he would have nowhere near those numbers. Not that I give a hoot about any of those other nostalgia acts touring the blue rinse circuit.

I disagree his music has been in top lists all over the world consistently since the 70s.

In the 80s, 90s etc. and the 10 years after his death.

It's been consistent.

Yeah sales took a bump when he died, but they've always been staggering high and I think will be forever, along with the likes of the Beatles.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 25-06-2019 4:09pm

Greyfox wrote: »

The point is only a minority feel this way, the actual reality is in 100 years when were all dead there will still be people listening to Michael jackson's music

How many though is the question. He has a very, very devoted core fanbase. Will he in 100 years? Who knows. I’d personally rate every other entry on that Twitter list much more highly than him musically. As I said earlier, he never figured in my greatest lists.

Ursus Horribilis · 25-06-2019 4:10pm

Greyfox wrote: »

The point is only a minority feel this way, the actual reality is in 100 years when were all dead there will still be people listening to Michael jackson's music

He was a hugely influential figure in his time. I'm old enough to remember the hype around "Bad" coming out and the excitement of him playing live here. All of us are guilty (if that's the word) of listening to music made by people who were awful in real life. Michael Jackson was an utter creep and from that point of view, is no great loss.

Deebles McBeebles · 25-06-2019 4:15pm

History tells us his music will be remembered long after his alleged sins are forgotten.

Boggles · 25-06-2019 4:17pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

How many though is the question. He has a very, very devoted core fanbase. Will he in 100 years? Who knows. I’d personally rate every other entry on that Twitter list much more highly than him musically. As I said earlier, he never figured in my greatest lists.

He has a pretty devoted anti fanbase too, TBF.

Everyone on that list I'd say with certainty did some very dodgy things in their lifetime.

But that shouldn't take away from the music, IMO.

Plumbthedepths · 25-06-2019 4:19pm

Pity his legacy was ruined by his desire for children.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 25-06-2019 4:19pm

Boggles wrote: »

He has a pretty devoted anti fanbase too, TBF.

Everyone on that list I'd say with certainty did some very dodgy things in their lifetime.

But that shouldn't take away from the music, IMO.

He does indeed. Good.

I already said I don’t think his music should be banned.

Everyone on that list? Everyone? All band members of each band?

Deebles McBeebles · 25-06-2019 4:20pm

Boggles wrote: »

Everyone on that list I'd say with certainty did some very dodgy things in their lifetime.

They absolutely did and now no one remembers what those things were. Easy to Google though.

Boggles wrote: »

But that shouldn't take away from the music, IMO.

Precisely.

holyhead · 25-06-2019 4:27pm

A brilliantly talented entertainer. Singer, dancer, composer and all round showman. The Moonwalk for the Motown 25th anniversary concert was astonishing. A genius from an earlier age his talented dwarfing that of his brothers. He never got to have a normal childhood and I think this damaged him enormously. His whole existence was never normal. I can understand his father desire to lift the family out of poverty. Gary, Indiana, just outside Chicago is a poor former steel city.
I actually don't think he molested any boys. It was definitely unwise to have sleepovers with children. That was naive in the extreme. Again I think he was childlike and in some ways never grew up. The Beatles never danced. Frank never composed. Michael did it all. His music has proved to be a lasting and magnificent legacy. Hope he has the peace in heaven that eluded him on earth.

10 year anniversary of the death of Michael Jackson

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