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200 people celebrate a wedding in Longford.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭FileNotFound


    Shield wrote: »
    The wider issue here can never be addressed until crime statistics are released. At the moment, they won’t release them on public policy grounds. However, I can assure you all they are quite shocking to read, or to some of you, not at all shocking.

    There is a very good reason why “Not a single frontline Garda surveyed on attitudes towards Travellers had a favourable view of the community”. Either every single frontline Garda is racist, or there really is a crime problem within the Traveller community.

    Source


    Back in the day as one might say the travelling community provided a number of services in a way, tinkers etc.

    These days we only get the negative sides - and given that education and a brighter future are not really high in the priority list (generalisation of course) - the best tools we have (education and prospects) cannot be utilised to change the culture.

    I used to play Handball with a bunch of older settled lads and they were grand, sure there was differences in view points but they were decent chaps all told. But even they would admit the generation below them was on a bad path.

    That said they did not seem to have any interest in forcing that path to change.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Things are going to get way worse before they get better

    travellers are a lucrative industry , beit the legal profession or the QUANGO sector who earn a living portraying travellers as eternal victims , there are good career opportunities to be had from this freak show of a culture.

    then you have the opportunities which money cannot buy , the opportunities for media and academia to virtue signal and wag their fingers at middle ireland about how " we oppress this vulnerable community "

    you cant put a price on middle class smug self satisfaction


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,568 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    €3000 for food from a local chipper, no wonder they die young.

    Was it prepaid?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mrcaramelchoc


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Was it prepaid?

    In cash and he spat on his hand as he offered it to close the deal no doubt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Personally, the people who did this being travelers doesn't really matter, but what does matter is how blatant they were (i don't think I have seen anyone violate a court order vis a vi restrictions.). It really beggars belief.

    We have had instances of people violating restrictions, but I don't think I have seen one quite as blatant as this, basically sticking there fingers up at restrictions that are designed to save lives. It is profoundly disrespectful to all the doctors, nurses etc who have sacrificed so much fighting this virus.

    The people who attended and organized this event need to made an example of, for just how blatant this was. Fines need to be given out, and jail time for the organizers and people who provided facilities and catering for the event.

    We are getting close to the end of this in Ireland, just a few more months and these types of events can be held again safely. This kind of behavior puts us all in danger at such a crucial time, when we are so close to slowly and safely reopening the country. Sadly the stupidity and selfishness of a small minority of people can easily put this in danger, and we need to show people who engage in such behavior that there will be consequences.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Tazium


    My interactions over the years with members of the travelling community has been positive. The disregard of public health in this instance and the lack of consequences from other illegal activities have effectively elevated elements of this minority to mob status.

    One of the right solutions would be to evaluate the underlying reasons for this behaviour, put appropriate measures and constructs in place that would both protect the self-identity while educating for future generations.


  • Posts: 220 [Deleted User]


    wes wrote: »
    We are getting close to the end of this in Ireland, just a few more months

    I hear the next two weeks are critical. #HoldFirm #FlattenTheCurve


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    I hear the next two weeks are critical. #HoldFirm #FlattenTheCurve

    Yeah its annoying to keep hearing this, but some people clearly need reminding, it seems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,776 ✭✭✭abff


    This whole thing has become primarily about the fact that the people concerned are travellers. This should be irrelevant to any discussion on what punishment is appropriate for those involved.

    Do we know if there actually will be a court hearing on Monday? All the article says is that the judge says that he is prepared to have a hearing with those responsible for what happened. Hopefully, a hearing will go ahead and will include a full explanation of the steps taken by the Gardaí to prevent it from happening and why these steps were unsuccessful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,712 ✭✭✭corks finest


    Back in the day as one might say the travelling community provided a number of services in a way, tinkers etc.

    These days we only get the negative sides - and given that education and a brighter future are not really high in the priority list (generalisation of course) - the best tools we have (education and prospects) cannot be utilised to change the culture.

    I used to play Handball with a bunch of older settled lads and they were grand, sure there was differences in view points but they were decent chaps all told. But even they would admit the generation below them was on a bad path.

    That said they did not seem to have any interest in forcing that path to change.

    Drugs changed everything


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    In fairness a handful of oldies and a priest vs a crowd of 200 well sauced travellers and handy with the fisticuffs. No comparison.

    Try breaking that up without a few heads cracked open. They don't play by our rules.

    They are like 18th and 19th century Irish who didn't give a sh1t about law or peelers and hammered the crap out of each other at fairs.

    No you finally setup a unit like the French CRS that just knocks heads.

    We are so soft on policing and our towns, cities and villages are going to pot with this so called "ethnic" group and other little feral shytes running amuck with no repercusions.
    chosen1 wrote: »
    It's a council owned pitch and their main tenants are Longford Wanderers F.C. The club was set up for travellers and they compose the majority of players. Know some of them involved in the club and they aren't the worst of this lot.

    The dressing rooms were famous in Longford for the length of time they took to build. Every time building supplies were delivered, they mysteriously disappeared. After years of this, the council had to hire 24 hour security to watch the site before it eventually got finished.

    Would have thought they would want to host this at Longford Slashers ground?
    EddieN75 wrote: »
    “It is a perfect storm for Covid,” she said. “It is very hard to follow the Covid-19 health guidelines. If you have bigger families and smaller spaces, how can you socially distance?”

    You don't mix with people from other families .It's been a year. It's not new information

    Other families ?

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭highdef


    abff wrote: »
    Hopefully, a hearing will go ahead and will include a full explanation of the steps taken by the Gardaí to prevent it from happening and why these steps were unsuccessful.

    I'd love to know the outcome of that. I'm a "settled" person and if it turns out that I don't have the ability to have a similar type party that can't be stopped by the authorities/Gardai, I'd consider that to racist/Xenophobic.

    No intention of having any such party of course but I'm sure if I did, it would be forcefully stopped pretty quickly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,318 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Photos and videos, social media, of the big day going around on WhatsApp....exactly what I was expecting...a classy affair....with abysmal levels of spelling


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,865 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    I hear the next two weeks are critical. #HoldFirm #FlattenTheCurve

    And stay positive!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,420 ✭✭✭✭sligojoek


    Monday should be good.

    Evidence will be given by gardai of serving the injunction to parties.

    Said parties will be asked to explain why they took F all notice of a court document.

    The judge will tear their answers to shreds and jail them for contempt.

    Hopefully.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,023 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    gmisk wrote: »
    Photos and videos, social media, of the big day going around on WhatsApp....exactly what I was expecting...a classy affair....with abysmal levels of spelling

    And Dress sense :)

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,239 ✭✭✭Be right back


    sligojoek wrote: »
    Monday should be good.

    Evidence will be given by gardai of serving the injunction to parties.

    Said parties will be asked to explain why they took F all notice of a court document.

    The judge will tear their answers to shreds and jail them for contempt.

    Hopefully.

    It would be great. Lovely honeymoon for the happy couple. Costa de Longford.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,023 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    sligojoek wrote: »
    Monday should be good.

    Evidence will be given by gardai of serving the injunction to parties.

    Said parties will be asked to explain why they took F all notice of a court document.

    The judge will tear their answers to shreds and jail them for contempt.

    Hopefully.

    I wouldn't hold my breath to be honest, it will likely be a damp squib and I have a feeling the learned judge might just restrict reporting given the publicity.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,023 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    It would be great. Lovely honeymoon for the happy couple. Costa de Longford.

    Longford wouldn't be good enough for this lot, fine for a quick wedding with fish and chips :)

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,420 ✭✭✭✭sligojoek


    It would be great. Lovely honeymoon for the happy couple. Costa de Longford Castlerea.


    Dempo1 wrote: »
    I wouldn't hold my breath to be honest, it will likely be a damp squib and I have a feeling the learned judge might just restrict reporting given the publicity.

    I doubt he will

    He'll have to take a strict stance on it because if he doesn't, any Tom Dick or Harry can order a marquee Monday evening and let loose.

    Something like this should have been done after the funerals last year. Judge Johnson is a Ballymote native so I'm sure he's not unaware of the carry on there twice since the lockdown.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,239 ✭✭✭Be right back


    sligojoek wrote: »
    I doubt he will

    He'll have to take a strict stance on it because if he doesn't, any Tom Dick or Harry can order a marquee Monday evening and let loose.

    Something like this should have been done after the funerals last year. Judge Johnson is a Ballymote native so I'm sure he's not unaware of the carry on there twice since the lockdown.

    Castlerea for the groom and Mountjoy for the blushing bride! All set so, hopefully!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭mgn


    Castlerea for the groom and Mountjoy for the blushing bride! All set so, hopefully!

    Castlerea would be like another wedding for the groom,


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭mgn


    sligojoek wrote: »
    I doubt he will

    He'll have to take a strict stance on it because if he doesn't, any Tom Dick or Harry can order a marquee Monday evening and let loose.

    Something like this should have been done after the funerals last year. Judge Johnson is a Ballymote native so I'm sure he's not unaware of the carry on there twice since the lockdown.

    I think he will have to come down heavy on them, otherwise he will only make the guards, county council, and the other judge who gave the court order look like fools.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    It's amusing in a way....

    The owner of the marquee is being hauled to court and his affairs dragged through the media, for erecting a marquee which in itself isn't an offence.

    There were council officials, Gardai, armed and local, and a heavy gang from Dublin brought in, buy still they ring him in the middle of the party to take down the tent, while they all stand around.

    Like his fvcking business..... If they wanted to clear the site, let them do it themselves, grow a pair of balls and do it, don't be hiding behind this contractor, who was caught between a rock and a hard place really, and was (according to the Gardai court evidence) basically threatened if he went near the marquee.

    Yet again, a soft target..... a peripheral figure in this nonsense story. The financial affairs of none of the Gardai, contractors, travellers, or anyone else has been dragged through the media today....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,529 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    It's amusing in a way....

    The owner of the marquee is being hauled to court and his affairs dragged through the media, for erecting a marquee which in itself isn't an offence.

    There were council officials, Gardai, armed and local, and a heavy gang from Dublin brought in, buy still they ring him in the middle of the party to take down the tent, while they all stand around.

    Like his fvcking business..... If they wanted to clear the site, let them do it themselves, grow a pair of balls and do it, don't be hiding behind this contractor, who was caught between a rock and a hard place really, and was (according to the Gardai court evidence) basically threatened if he went near the marquee.

    Yet again, a soft target..... a peripheral figure in this nonsense story. The financial affairs of none of the Gardai, contractors, travellers, or anyone else has been dragged through the media today....

    Tesspassing on land is an offence. Considering its council land I doubt they gave him permission. He knew what he was doing and let's not forget got paid for it. I wonder did he declare his taxes on that transaction.

    The financial affairs of the travellers might be of interest to gardai, revenue and social welfare I imagine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    irishgeo wrote: »
    Tesspassing on land is an offence. Considering its council land I doubt they gave him permission. He knew what he was doing and let's not forget got paid for it. I wonder did he declare his taxes on that transaction.

    The financial affairs of the travellers might be of interest to gardai, revenue and social welfare I imagine.


    Trespassing.??? What evidence have you to suggest he was trespassing?

    If it's council land, then why aren't the council in court? If it's their land, they should be responsible, but they are passing the buck onto this lad.

    Well done on buying the narrative about his taxes, leaked/published to discredit him. He's being left hanging out to dry, a patsy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭mgn


    Trespassing.??? What evidence have you to suggest he was trespassing?

    If it's council land, then why aren't the council in court? If it's their land, they should be responsible, but they are passing the buck onto this lad.

    Well done on buying the narrative about his taxes, leaked/published to discredit him. He's being left hanging out to dry, a patsy.

    How would the council be responsible for someone putting up a marquee on their land? The dident ask for it to be put up.

    You seem very concerned about the lad that put it up, I wonder why.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    If they were from Donegal they would have been stoned to death.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,829 ✭✭✭irishproduce


    It's amusing in a way....

    The owner of the marquee is being hauled to court and his affairs dragged through the media, for erecting a marquee which in itself isn't an offence.

    There were council officials, Gardai, armed and local, and a heavy gang from Dublin brought in, buy still they ring him in the middle of the party to take down the tent, while they all stand around.

    Like his fvcking business..... If they wanted to clear the site, let them do it themselves, grow a pair of balls and do it, don't be hiding behind this contractor, who was caught between a rock and a hard place really, and was (according to the Gardai court evidence) basically threatened if he went near the marquee.

    Yet again, a soft target..... a peripheral figure in this nonsense story. The financial affairs of none of the Gardai, contractors, travellers, or anyone else has been dragged through the media today....

    Looking for the weak and easy link as usual is all we get. The authorities should have handled it but instead they try to do the peripheral approach to drag in the weaker parties.
    Sends a horrible message


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    mgn wrote: »
    How would the council be responsible for someone putting up a marquee on their land?

    You seem very concerned about the lad that put it up, I wonder why.

    Couldn't care less, don't have a dog in the fight, but here he has been accused of trespassing on Council land.
    No evidence of this at all, he's just a guy hired to do a job looking at it from the outside. A bit nieve maybe, that's the height of it I'd say.

    But he's the easy target in all this, a fall guy without the access to PR advice like the Gardai and Council. The Indo haven't the balls to publish the affairs of the guys that rented the tent either, publish their tax affairs then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Buddy Bubs wrote: »
    I'd love to contribute, but this particular topic has led to me being banned on numerous occasions in the past. It's the only topic that gets me banned in fact. Whatever it is about marquees, I always say something to upset the mods.

    So would I for the same reason. Mine has something to do with "less than 2 meters" and " gettin' the grab off the cousins".


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭mgn


    Couldn't care less, don't have a dog in the fight, but here he has been accused of trespassing on Council land.
    No evidence of this at all, he's just a guy hired to do a job looking at it from the outside. A bit nieve maybe, that's the height of it I'd say.

    But he's the easy target in all this, a fall guy without the access to PR advice like the Gardai and Council. The Indo haven't the balls to publish the affairs of the guys that rented the tent either, publish their tax affairs then.

    So he put up a marquee on a football pitch that wasn't owned by the person that was paying him, and he never asked any questions.
    And I agree, have CAB and revenue investigate the people the rented it and make examples of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,420 ✭✭✭✭sligojoek


    I thought the marquee was just for 5 people, your honour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    There is simply no appetite for any arm of the State to clamp down on this particular section of society as those in power fear being branded x,y or z

    Every council has list of who lives in each halting site. Cross reference that with Social Welfare and whos receiving what payment then ask where the money for the 211 Van/car/jeep is coming from then give all that to Revenue and or CAB depending.

    Might aswell bring TUSLA along too and the SPCA.

    Methodically tackle each site and I bet pretty soon there'd be a Q at the ports to get out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,823 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Neyite wrote: »
    A honeymoon behind bars for a few days might send a strong message. To be honest, that's what is needed now.
    I was due to get married in 2020, postponed until 2021, and now just postponed until next year again because I do want friends and family around and I want us to have a party. So I'll wait until we are all vaccinated and venues are open again.

    We also had the option of going ahead just ourselves if we wanted. Not what we had planned but for many who's culture or religious beliefs are important to them, they could do that and throw a massive party in a years time. Yeah it sucks a bit, but you can postpone a wedding, you can't postpone a funeral.

    If the authorities don't come down hard on this public health breach, it's just telling everyone else that they can too. So expect more of these super-spreader events. And if all the travellers are doing it, then why shouldn't the rest of us who wanted our wedding day throw up a marquee and factor in the fine as a wedding expense?

    I live in a town with a large traveller population. During that very brief warm spell I was driving past several houses to go get groceries and they were having full on massive parties. But if you were a Garda would you risk getting a career-ending injury from getting piled on in a crowd resisting arrest or contracting covid to intervene when you know that if it even gets as far as a judge, they walk free with a slap on the wrist and a fine they say they can't afford to pay.

    So I really hope this judge isn't all bluster and does prosecute the bride and groom, and whoever else was involved in the planning of the reception.

    Judges must be one of the only category of employee who seem unaccountable. Which is mind boggling considering the importance of their work.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,529 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Couldn't care less, don't have a dog in the fight, but here he has been accused of trespassing on Council land.
    No evidence of this at all, he's just a guy hired to do a job looking at it from the outside. A bit nieve maybe, that's the height of it I'd say.

    But he's the easy target in all this, a fall guy without the access to PR advice like the Gardai and Council. The Indo haven't the balls to publish the affairs of the guys that rented the tent either, publish their tax affairs then.

    It's hard to print something that doesn't exist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,023 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    mgn wrote: »
    I think he will have to come down heavy on them, otherwise he will only make the guards, county council, and the other judge who gave the court order look like fools.

    Would you not agree its a bit late to be concerned about who looks foolish? How long has this carry on be going on with little or no sanction? Seriously its a Joke. I'm not blaming Gardai, Council etc, as I've stated previously nothing will happen, nothing will be done and the harsh reality this Ethnic Minority as they are now reffered to as, have in essence carte blanche to do as and when they please. Whilst I accept that was not the intended reason for giving such recognition its become blatantly obvious this is how a large section of this community read it.

    At best a gentle slap of a feather will be issued and we'll be back here on a new thread dealing with another 2 finger salute is a very short time.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,023 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Trespassing.??? What evidence have you to suggest he was trespassing?

    If it's council land, then why aren't the council in court? If it's their land, they should be responsible, but they are passing the buck onto this lad.

    Well done on buying the narrative about his taxes, leaked/published to discredit him. He's being left hanging out to dry, a patsy.

    Whilst I can't say there is evidence of Trespass I find it hard to believe anyone in Longford Co Co gave permission, if they did that makes it worse.

    At a guess and it's just a Guess, one of two things happened here.

    Someone in the FC Either gave permission albeit very doubtful, if the grounds are being leased by the club, given recent training controversies I'd say highly unlikely permission given and if it was, Lease will be in jeopardy.

    Second possibility and probably more likely either a wink and nod or no permission given and Marquee just errected.

    Either way its intriguing how this Question not being asked, at least not that I'm aware of. The only thing clear is the Co Co sought and got an emergency injunction to have it removed albeit too late and typically ignored anyway, so I get a sense no official sanction was given for this structure to be errected.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭Jerry Attrick


    I'm puzzled as to why we haven't heard anything from the Chairman of the Oireachtas Committee on Key Issues affecting the Traveller Community yet. I would have thought that Senator Flynn would have been among the first people to express her concerns about such a shocking attack on Traveller Culture by a member of the judiciary.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭mgn


    Dempo1 wrote: »
    Would you not agree its a bit late to be concerned about who looks foolish? How long has this carry on be going on with little or no sanction? Seriously its a Joke. I'm not blaming Gardai, Council etc, as I've stated previously nothing will happen, nothing will be done and the harsh reality this Ethnic Minority as they are now reffered to as, have in essence carte blanche to do as and when they please. Whilst I accept that was not the intended reason for giving such recognition its become blatantly obvious this is how a large section of this community read it.

    At best a gentle slap of a feather will be issued and we'll be back here on a new thread dealing with another 2 finger salute is a very short time.

    I don't know, someone is going to have to draw the line somewhere, the have become more brazen of of late because the know the can get away with it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,712 ✭✭✭corks finest


    mgn wrote: »
    I don't know, someone is going to have to draw the line somewhere, the have become more brazen of of late because the know the can get away with it.

    Problem is you're dealing with ppl who have no respect generally for the rule of law and order on a loser from day 1if you think this attitude will change any time soon


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭mgn


    Problem is you're dealing with ppl who have no respect generally for the rule of law and order on a loser from day 1if you think this attitude will change any time soon

    There will come a time when the come down hard on them, people have enough of their antics at this stage, no difference to the drug gangs who got away with it for years, in one case it took a lavish funeral to wake the state up to these people giving the two fingers to the state.


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    mgn wrote: »
    There will come a time when the come down hard on them, people have enough of their antics at this stage, no difference to the drug gangs who got away with it for years, in one case it took a lavish funeral to wake the state up to these people giving the two fingers to the state.

    It’s too late now to come down hard. Decades too late.

    There was a time when travellers had a horse and caravan. They travelled around going to known welcoming houses to ask for some food or clothing in return for doing some chores.

    Somewhere over the last 50 years or so, this stopped. Travellers were entitled to the dole and a serviced halting site to park their caravans. Horses became used for sulky racing.

    When does an activity become a culture? ie Sulky racing?

    I could go on, but might get banned!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,823 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    It’s too late now to come down hard. Decades too late.

    There was a time when travellers had a horse and caravan. They travelled around going to known welcoming houses to ask for some food or clothing in return for doing some chores.

    Somewhere over the last 50 years or so, this stopped. Travellers were entitled to the dole and a serviced halting site to park their caravans. Horses became used for sulky racing.

    When does an activity become a culture? ie Sulky racing?

    I could go on, but might get banned!

    If Your culture involves breaking the law, time your culture changes not the law.


  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭BingCrosbee


    The marquee was erected on the site of Longford Wanderers FC. I used to play against them and it was made up of mostly travellers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,023 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    The marquee was erected on the site of Longford Wanderers FC. I used to play against them and it was made up of mostly travellers.

    They might be looking for new grounds shortly

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    It's amusing in a way....

    The owner of the marquee is being hauled to court and his affairs dragged through the media, for erecting a marquee which in itself isn't an offence.

    There were council officials, Gardai, armed and local, and a heavy gang from Dublin brought in, buy still they ring him in the middle of the party to take down the tent, while they all stand around.

    Like his fvcking business..... If they wanted to clear the site, let them do it themselves, grow a pair of balls and do it, don't be hiding behind this contractor, who was caught between a rock and a hard place really, and was (according to the Gardai court evidence) basically threatened if he went near the marquee.

    Yet again, a soft target..... a peripheral figure in this nonsense story. The financial affairs of none of the Gardai, contractors, travellers, or anyone else has been dragged through the media today....

    I posted this video before. It's German police clearing Travellers off an illegal campement beside the Rhine in Dusseldorf. They were there a couple of years previously and caused trouble; not paying bills, intimidating locals, fighting etc.

    The following year the police were attacked when they went to clear the site, and the police withdrew. They then got in a large number of riot police and cleared the site. They handed out a few beatings and confiscated a number of cars, some of which were later auctioned off. Fines were handed out and paid promptly.

    Since then the Travellers do what they are told. A court order was given for them to leave the site. Note that they offer no resistance and that there's barely a coffee cup littered on the ground when they leave.

    They take the plss here with stuff like the wedding because they lnow they can get away with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,823 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    In other words, the law and the consequences of breaking it, is a deterrent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭jackboy


    KevRossi wrote: »
    I posted this video before. It's German police clearing Travellers off an illegal campement beside the Rhine in Dusseldorf. They were there a couple of years previously and caused trouble; not paying bills, intimidating locals, fighting etc.

    The following year the police were attacked when they went to clear the site, and the police withdrew. They then got in a large number of riot police and cleared the site. They handed out a few beatings and confiscated a number of cars, some of which were later auctioned off. Fines were handed out and paid promptly.

    Since then the Travellers do what they are told. A court order was given for them to leave the site. Note that they offer no resistance and that there's barely a coffee cup littered on the ground when they leave.

    They take the plss here with stuff like the wedding because they lnow they can get away with it.
    This is it exactly. Blaming the travellers for that wedding is actually a distraction. The wedding and other events occurred during the pandemic because there was not sufficient enforcement. Lack of enforcement is effectively the same as giving permission for such events, same outcome anyway.

    The spike after Christmas was actually caused by a lack of enforcement of the restrictions, not because the restrictions were lessened. For whatever reason, the Gardai have been ineffective during the pandemic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,854 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Why didn’t they just take down the marquee wedding or no wedding and tell the attendees to go home otherwise arrests?


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