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2018-2027 National Development Plan

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  • Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭sonnyblack


    Quiet few years ahead...

    Any mention of Carrigaline Relief road anywhere? This is a significant bottleneck for a busy commuter town I understand


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,345 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    TII have updated their website, here's some new information

    Latest from TII:

    2018-2022 schemes:

    N2 Slane bypass - route selection ongoing
    N4 Collooney-Castlebaldwin - tenders under examination
    N5 Westport-Turlough - at tender stage
    N5 Ballaghaderreen-Scramoge - oral hearing this week; decision by ABP November
    N6 Galway City Ring Road - scheme to be published shortly
    N8/N25/N40 Dunkettle Interchange - pre construction works ongoing
    M21 Adare-Rathkeale-Foynes - design & EIS ongoing
    M28 Cork-Ringaskiddy - scheme was approved in ABP in July; appealed to High Court-
    N52 Ardee bypass - review of design to updated standards ongoing
    N59 Moycullen bypass - tender documents being completed
    N69 Listowel bypass - tender documents being prepared
    N72 Mallow Relief Road - procurement of technical advisers has begun

    Pipeline projects:

    N2 Ashbourne-Kilmoon Cross - project appraisal plan complete
    N2 Castleblayney-Border - tenders for Phases 1-4 received and under assessment
    N3 Clonee-M50 - project appraisal plan approved - design has begun
    N3 Virginia bypass - project appraisal plan complete
    N4 Mullingar-Roosky - project appraisal plan complete
    M4 Maynooth-Leixlip - project appraisal plan complete
    N4 Carrick on Shannon-Dromod - project appraisal plan complete
    M11 M50-Kilmacanogue - tenders for consultants for Phases 1-4 to be issued shortly
    N11/N25 Oilgate-Rosslare - project appraisal plan complete
    N17 Tobercurry-Collooney - tbc
    N21 Abbeyfeale-Adare - project appraisal plan complete
    N22 Farranfore-Killarney - project appraisal plan under development
    N24 Pallasgreen-Cahir - project appraisal plan under development
    N24 Cahir-Waterford - project appraisal plan underdevelopment
    N25 Waterford-Glenmore - project appraisal plan complete
    N25 Carrigtwohill-Midleton - project appraisal plan under development
    M50 Dublin South Port Access - project appraisal plan under development
    N52 Tullamore-Kilbeggan - project appraisal plan complete

    Minor schemes:

    N2 Monaghan-Emyvale Phase III (Monaghan) - completion Q4 2019
    N3 Virginia-Maghera (Cavan) - preliminary design
    N3 Dublin Road roundabout (Cavan) - preliminary design
    N6 Kirwan Roundabout (Galway) - CPO/NIS published in August
    M7 J28 feasibility (Limerick) - planning and design complete
    N16 Drummahan (Leitrim) - CPO confirmed, tender documents being prepared
    N16 Munakill (Leitrim) - preliminary design
    N16 Lugatober (Sligo) - CPO being prepared
    N17 Milltown-Gortnagunnad (Galway) - preliminary design
    N19 Shannon Airport access (Clare) - preliminary design
    N20 Rourkes Cross (Limerick) - CPO documents being prepared
    N22 Lewis Road junction (Kerry) - preliminary design
    N24 Carrick Road improvement (Kilkenny) - part 8 planning underway
    N24 Ballydrehid Bends (Tipperary) - preliminary design
    N24 Beary's Cross - CPO documents being prepared
    N25 Cushcam junction (Waterford) - statutory process has commenced
    N26 Cloongullane bridge (Mayo) - awaiting ABP decision
    N30/R700 Roundabout (Wexford) - completion Q1 2019
    N51 Dunmoe Phase II (Meath) - ABP decision awaited
    N52 Grange-Clontail (Meath) - preliminary design
    N52 Cloghan-Billistown (Westmeath) - tender documentation preparation underway
    N53 Hackballscross-Rassan (Louth) - preliminary design
    N55 Corduff-Killydoon Phase A (Kerry) - completion Q4 2019
    N55 Athlone-Ballymahon (Westmeath) - preliminary design
    N55 Corduff-South of Killydoon Phase B (Cavan) - oral hearing date awaited
    N56 Kilkenny-Letterilly (Donegal) - completion Q2 2019
    N56 Coolboy-Kilmacrennan (Donegal) - completion Q2 2019
    N56 Drumbeigh-Inver (Donegal) - detailed design
    N56 Mountcharles-Drumbeigh (Donegal) - completion Q4 2019
    N56 Letterilly-Kilraine (Donegal) - detailed design
    N56 Dungloe-Cloghbolie (Donegal) - detailed design
    N59 Maam Cross-Bunnakill (Galway) - tender documents being prepared
    N59 Letterfrack West (Galway) - detailed design - land available via agreement
    N59 Newport-Derrada (Mayo) - detailed design
    N59 Corhawnagn-Lugnadeffa (Sligo) - preliminary design
    N60 Lagnamuck (Mayo) - tender award Q4 2018
    N60 Oran (Roscommon) - tender documents being prepared
    N60 Manulla (Mayo) - CPO documents being prepared
    N60 Heathlawn (Mayo) - tender documents being prepared
    N61 Ballymurray-Knockcroghery (Roscommon) - preliminary design
    N61 Coolteige (Roscommon) - completion Q2 2019
    N61 Clashaganny-Tulsk (Roscommon) - preliminary design
    N63 Abbeyknockmoy-Annagh Hill (Galway) - completion Q3 2018
    N63 Liss-Abbey (Galway) - preliminary design
    N65 Carrigahorig Bends (Tipperary) - preliminary design
    N67 Ballinderreen-Kinvara Phase 2 (Clare) - tender documents being prepared
    N70 Kilderry bends (Kerry) - completion Q2 2019
    N70 Blackwater Bridge-Sneem (Kerry) - CPO being prepared
    N70 Coolroe-Glenbeigh (Kerry) - preliminary design
    N70 Milltown-Castlemaine (Kerry) - preliminary design
    N72 Stagmount (Kerry) - part 8 planning
    N73 Annakisha South (Cork) - tender documents under preperation
    N73 Clogher Cross-Waterdyke (Cork) - notice to treat issued
    N77 Ballyragget-Ballynaslee (Kilkenny) - part 8 planning underway
    N81 Whitestown Lower (Wicklow) - preliminary design
    N81 Irishtown (Wicklow) - preliminary design
    N81 Tuckmill (Wicklow) - preliminary design
    N81 Hangman's bends (Wicklow) - preliminary design
    N80 Maidenhead (Laois) - tender award Q4 2018
    N85 Kilnamona (Clare) - part 8 planning underway
    N86 Ballygarret-Doonore & Ballynasare-Annascaul (Kerry) - tender documents being prepared

    The forgotten few... (suspended)
    N2 Kilmoon Cross-Ardee
    N3 North of Kells-Cavan
    N5/N26/N58 Turlough-Bohola
    N13 Letterkenny-Bridgend
    N13 Letterkenny-Stranorlar
    N15 Lifford-Stranorlar
    N15 Sligo-County Boundary
    N16 Sligo-Glencar
    N16 Glenfarne-Glenfcar
    N17 Tuam-Claremorris
    N22 Cork North Ring East
    N22 Cork North Ring West
    N22 Macroom-Ballincollig
    N23 Castleisland-Farranfore
    N24 Ballysimon-Pallasgreen
    N25 Dungarvan Bypass
    N25 Midleton-Youghal
    N30 Clonroche-New Ross
    N53 Ballynacarry Bridge
    N56 Inver-Killybegs
    N59 Crossmolina-Ballina
    N59 Westport South Relief Road
    N59 Ballina relief road
    N60 Castlebar-Claremorris
    N61 Athlone-Boyle
    N61 Boyle bypass
    N62 Roscrea bypass
    N62 Thurles bypass
    N71 Bandon-Inishannon
    N72 Lismore-Cappoquin
    N83 Ballyhaunis Outer Distributor Road
    N84 Ballinrobe relief road
    N87 Belturber-Ballyconnell


  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Roadrunner99


    Any update on the ballyvourney/macroom scheme on the tii website marno?


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,345 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Any update on the ballyvourney/macroom scheme on the tii website marno?

    None just that the tender process is ongoing. No further updates on dates etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,596 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    A few questions there on the N52.Would the review of the ardee bypass caused by residents not happy about being cut Off . The next phase of the N52 cloughan it says tenders being prepped would this usually happen before CPO talks with landowners?


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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,345 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    roadmaster wrote: »
    A few questions there on the N52.Would the review of the ardee bypass caused by residents not happy about being cut Off . The next phase of the N52 cloughan it says tenders being prepped would this usually happen before CPO talks with landowners?

    Ardee -> I don't think so, the work is that the land was CPO'd and the scheme designed using what are now obsolete standards, so the scheme is being redesigned to comply with modern standards. I'm not sure why the people in the area didn't object previously given that this Ardee bypass scheme has been ongoing for many, many years.

    Cloghan -> tender documents being prepared usually means the land has been CPOd and the scheme is ready to go to construction tender. Is this information incorrect? Not familiar with this scheme to be honest.


  • Registered Users Posts: 369 ✭✭RichardoKhan


    With regards to the N3/M50 project. Does anyone know if that includes the bridge expansion at Littlepace?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,596 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    marno21 wrote: »
    Ardee -> I don't think so, the work is that the land was CPO'd and the scheme designed using what are now obsolete standards, so the scheme is being redesigned to comply with modern standards. I'm not sure why the people in the area didn't object previously given that this Ardee bypass scheme has been ongoing for many, many years.

    Cloghan -> tender documents being prepared usually means the land has been CPOd and the scheme is ready to go to construction tender. Is this information incorrect? Not familiar with this scheme to be honest.

    From what I understand they are only beginning talks with the landowners. I just taught they would wait until all the land was under there name before tenders are started to ensure no delays or problems


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    With regards to the N3/M50 project. Does anyone know if that includes the bridge expansion at Littlepace?

    It's likely to include all you would need.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,596 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    spacetweek wrote: »
    It's likely to include all you would need.

    If they put a ramp in there to access littlepace could that actually cause delays on that section of the N3 with cars trying to get in to lane and backing up also?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭Reuben1210


    roadmaster wrote: »
    If they put a ramp in there to access littlepace could that actually cause delays on that section of the N3 with cars trying to get in to lane and backing up also?

    If it's an upgrade to motorway for that section, then that won't be an issue.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,345 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    For those wondering what projects didn't make the cut for the National Development Plan.

    In brackets is what the volume:capacity ratio will be in 2030 when the NDP will be roughly complete

    M1 - Balbriggan to Lissenhall (1.2) - to be completed under GDA transport strategy
    N17 Tuam-Claremorris (1.2) - minor improvements completed between Milltown and Ballindine
    N22 Ballincollig-Macroom (1.2) (also marked as serious for head on collisions) - minor improvements east of Lissarda (unclear whether done or to be done)
    N22 Carrigrohane-UCC (1.2) - to be addressed under Cork Metropolitan Transport Strategy
    N24 Limerick-Caherconlish (1.2) - to be addressed under Limerick Transport Strategy
    N26 Ballina-Bohola Phase 2 (1.2)
    N27 Cork Airport-N40 - to be addressed under Cork Metropolitan Transport Strategy

    N3 The Poles-Butlers Bridge (1.0->1.2)
    M4 Maynooth-Kilcock (1.0->1.2)
    N13 Letterkenny-Stranorlar (1.0->1.2) - minor improvements along corridor
    N13 Letterkenny-Bridgend (1.0->1.2) - minor improvements along corridor
    N15 Sligo-Cliffony (1.0->1.2) - minor improvements along corridor

    N2 Kilmoon-Slane BP (1.0-1.2) - non core route
    N2 Slane BP-Collon (1.0-1.2) - non core route
    N5 Turlough-Bohola (1.0-1.2)
    M7 Newbridge-Monasterevin (1.0-1.2)
    N21 Abbeyfeale-Rathkeale (1.0-1.2)
    N25 Midleton-Youghal (1.0-1.2)
    N25 Waterford-Dungarvan (1.0-1.2)


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    marno21 wrote: »
    For those wondering what projects didn't make the cut for the National Development Plan.

    In brackets is what the volume:capacity ratio will be in 2030 when the NDP will be roughly complete

    N25 Midleton-Youghal (1.0-1.2)


    This figure is far too low. Castlemartyr especially is an awful bottleneck and the entire route from Midleton - Castlymartyr is way over capacity as it is, let alone in 12 years time.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,345 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    This figure is far too low. Castlemartyr especially is an awful bottleneck and the entire route from Midleton - Castlymartyr is way over capacity as it is, let alone in 12 years time.

    I agree that it's daft. That section and the N21 are incredibly frustrating to drive due to traffic saturation

    They must be doing their sums with these schemes as WS2 rather than the stew of various standards and villages they actually are


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Interesting as well.... the M1 and M7 schemes on there. Thats the first I've heard of either of them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 208 ✭✭highwaymaniac


    marno21 wrote: »
    I agree that it's daft. That section and the N21 are incredibly frustrating to drive due to traffic saturation

    They must be doing their sums with these schemes as WS2 rather than the stew of various standards and villages they actually are

    Also when you compare it to the Youghal Dungarvan section which has the same figures 1.0-1.2 which doesn't make sense. Must have been a fairly crude assessment.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,345 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    TII framework for consultancy services for the National Development Plan pipeline schemes on the N2/N3/N4/N11/N13/N14/N15/N17/N21/N22/N24/N25/M50/N52 has been awarded

    https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=129972&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=2&PP=ctm/Supplier/PublicTenders


  • Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Aontachtoir


    marno21 wrote: »
    TII framework for consultancy services for the National Development Plan pipeline schemes on the N2/N3/N4/N11/N13/N14/N15/N17/N21/N22/N24/N25/M50/N52 has been awarded

    Marno, can you explain what this means for a non-engineer? Has TII formed one group to advance all these schemes simultaneously to planning?


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,345 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Marno, can you explain what this means for a non-engineer? Has TII formed one group to advance all these schemes simultaneously to planning?
    Yes, TII issued one framework tender rather than issuing 17 separate tenders for these projects. The tenders for the two N2 schemes in Monaghan, N4 in Longford and M11/N11 widening went out separately afaik. The three Donegal projects are already in planning since 2016 with RPS.


  • Registered Users Posts: 39 neiljung


    Great list in post #213, should the Donegal Ten-T projects be added to the Pipeline section?


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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,345 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    neiljung wrote: »
    Great list in post #213, should the Donegal Ten-T projects be added to the Pipeline section?
    They are being jockeyed in with the rest of the pipeline projects in all the press releases etc but they are in Phase 2 now and are being handled seperately with RPS handling the consultancy work independently of the actual pipeline projects hence why I didn't put them in with them.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,345 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    marno21 wrote: »
    A quiet month of August but I expect a significant amount of pickup before Christmas with a lot of the following expected, or promised, before 2018 end:

    N2 Slane bypass: Publication of selected route and alignment details
    N2 Clontibret-NI border: Tender award for Phases 1-4
    N2 Castleblayney-Ardee: Tender award for Phases 1-4

    N3 Clonee-M50: Further work on J2 Snugborough Interchange.
    N4 Collooney-Castlebaldwin: Tender award with construction to start in Q1 2019
    N4 Mullingar-Longford: Issuing of tender for consultants for Phases 1-4
    N4 Carrick-on-Shannon to Dromod: Issuing of tender for consultants for Phases 1-4 - awarded via TII framework
    N5 Ballaghaderreen-Scramoge: Planning decision by An Bord Pleanala 2019
    N6 Galway City Ring Road: Submission of project to An Bord Pleanala following approval of business case
    N8/N25/N40 Dunkettle Interchange: Full tender award and contractors moving in on site; full start Q1 19
    N13 Letterkenny-Manorcunningham + N56 Relief Road: Publication of preferred route
    N13/N15 Ballybofey-Stranorlar bypass: Publication of preferred route
    N14 Letterkenny-Lifford: Publication of preferred route

    N17 Collooney-Tobercurry: Issuing of tender for consultants for Phases 1-4
    M20 Cork-Limerick: Tender award for Phases 2-4 and start of route selection
    M21 Limerick-Rathkeale-Foynes: Submission of project to An Bord Pleanala following approval of business case
    M28 Cork-Ringaskiddy: Decision by High Court on whether to proceed with judicial review
    M50 Eastern Bypass (South Port Access): Issuing of tender for consultants for Phases 1-4
    N52 Ardee bypass: Full tender issued
    N59 Moycullen bypass: Issuing of tender following review of tender documents deferred to Q4
    N59 Oughterard-Clifden: Tender award for Bunnakill-Maam Cross
    N69 Listowel bypass: Issuing of construction tender construction to begin in March 2020
    N72 Mallow Relief Road: Appointment of consultants and selection of final route

    23 items there, we'll see how they go.

    Some of these are as of yet unclear, but the bold has been completed and striked are deferred to 2019


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,345 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Pat the Cope asked yesterday in the Dail about the three projects in Donegal currently at route selection (Letterkenny Relief Road, Letterkenny-Lifford & Ballybofey bypass).

    Of the 22 "pipeline" projects in the NDP, these are the furthest advanced, at route selection (after starting from scratch in 2016). The only other projects underway are the N11/M11 upgrade which is at constraints study and the two N2 projects in Monaghan which are just starting feasibility/constraints studies.

    He gave the timeline as follows:

    Q1 2019 - publication of preferred route
    H1 2021 - submission to ABP
    2024 - construction start
    2027 - completion.

    That's a 11 year programme for three relatively small schemes (Letterkenny Relief Road at €99m, Ballybofey/Stranorlar bypass at €116m & Letterkenny-Lifford at €186m). The M21 which started from scratch in 2014 is to be complete in 2026 - a 12 year programme.

    This makes me believe that the likes of the M20 and N4 Mullingar-Longford are realistically not going to be open until 2030. It's getting scandalous how long this is taking.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,040 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Why is this? Are FG afraid of spending money or are there actual operational reasons they are so slow from initial consultation to completion.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donegal Storm


    Don't forget the inevitable recession in that timeframe and the fact that infrastructure will be the first thing to be mothballed. I'd genuinely be surprised if Letterkenny - Lifford is built in my working life and I've still got 25 years left!

    The Letterkenny Link Road is a tiny project, it's literally a 1.5km length along flat terrain, pathetic how little urgency there is to get anything done


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,345 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    jvan wrote: »
    Why is this? Are FG afraid of spending money or are there actual operational reasons they are so slow from initial consultation to completion.
    Part 1 leads to part 2 in your question. Underspending leading to underresourcing which causes these delays. There simply isn't the financial and personnel resources to do everything.

    Along with a Minister for Transport who couldn't give 2 hoots and instead of actually implementing the Road Safety Strategy published in 2013 he's running off on solo runs about speeding and drink driving.


  • Registered Users Posts: 315 ✭✭steeler j


    what was the time lines during the boomtimes,it is taking to long from planning to when work is started


  • Registered Users Posts: 447 ✭✭Limerick74


    steeler j wrote: »
    what was the time lines during the boomtimes,it is taking to long from planning to when work is started

    About the same. Limerick Tunnel took 12 years.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,596 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I am starting to think leo and friends have forgot there is a country outside the m50. There is so many shovel ready jobs good to go and its all nearly at a stand still. Then we have shane ross transport minister extrounder who would rather waste guards time with speeding than acually fix the death tramp regional and secondary roads we have


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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,345 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    roadmaster wrote: »
    I am starting to think leo and friends have forgot there is a country outside the m50. There is so many shovel ready jobs good to go and its all nearly at a stand still. Then we have shane ross transport minister extrounder who would rather waste guards time with speeding than acually fix the death tramp regional and secondary roads we have

    This is actually not the case, it's the opposite. There are a handful of shovel ready projects and the majority of them are at tender.

    It's the lack of project near shovel ready status for around 2021/2022 is the major issue here.


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