Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

whelan2 · 24-10-2020 7:04pm

tismesoitis wrote: »

Lisduff sale postponed due to technical difficulties with on-line job. Disaster poor John OSullivan has to haul all the cows back home and get them milked. The stress on man and beast!

What's the plan now? The monamore sale is on next Saturday

straight · 24-10-2020 7:19pm

whelan2 wrote: »

What's the plan now? The monamore sale is on next Saturday

They'll have to reopen the marts. Today was an animal welfare issue on top of everything else and it's bound to happen again. It looks like the system can't handle the numbers.

orm0nd · 24-10-2020 8:15pm

straight wrote: »

They'll have to reopen the marts. Today was an animal welfare issue on top of everything else and it's bound to happen again. It looks like the system can't handle the numbers.

most marts were up and running after 2 hours , I know I was a lot happier sitting by the kitchen table than trying to avoid idiots who want to talk sh1te about nothing in particular & think talking into your face from 6 inches is acceptable

2 loads of weanlings landed home before 7 pm and other than those looking for their mothers I can't see any welfare issues

straight · 24-10-2020 8:30pm

orm0nd wrote: »

most marts were up and running after 2 hours , I know I was a lot happier sitting by the kitchen table than trying to avoid idiots who want to talk sh1te about nothing in particular & think talking into your face from 6 inches is acceptable

2 loads of weanlings landed home before 7 pm and other than those looking for their mothers I can't see any welfare issues

I was under the impression that most animals had to return home to where they came from. That was the case in Corrin mart. A stressful day for cattle at the mart and also a biosecurity hazard

mahoney_j · 24-10-2020 10:04pm

straight wrote: »

I was under the impression that most animals had to return home to where they came from. That was the case in Corrin mart. A stressful day for cattle at the mart and also a biosecurity hazard

If I were the owners of Lisduff I’d be fair pissed off tonight ,some serious workAnd cost went into preparing all the stock for sale and transporting them in etc to then have to turn around and take them back home and no cheque ....
I’d have no issue buying on line at sale like that as herd is very well known and all had records comming out there ears .very unfourtnatel today was the day system went on holidays

Mooooo · 24-10-2020 10:18pm

The one from one of the marts on the news clips on today fm could have spoken better as well

whelan2 · 25-10-2020 10:22am

mahoney_j wrote: »

If I were the owners of Lisduff I’d be fair pissed off tonight ,some serious workAnd cost went into preparing all the stock for sale and transporting them in etc to then have to turn around and take them back home and no cheque ....
I’d have no issue buying on line at sale like that as herd is very well known and all had records comming out there ears .very unfourtnatel today was the day system went on holidays

Our internet provider is imagine, their service nationwide went down last night. I'd say people streaming the liverpool game and there was a fight on too. We really need to do something with the whole broadband system in this country. It can't cope

kevthegaff · 25-10-2020 10:22pm

Lads have cows in by night out by day, jaypers the sh!ttin their doing! Is it the same with all herds atm?

Buford T. Justice XIX · 25-10-2020 10:48pm

kevthegaff wrote: »

Lads have cows in by night out by day, jaypers the sh!ttin their doing! Is it the same with all herds atm?

I only worry when they stop sh!ttin, kev:D

whelan2 · 25-10-2020 10:50pm

We have a problem with dry ****s atm.

liosnagceann75 · 25-10-2020 11:38pm

kevthegaff wrote: »

Lads have cows in by night out by day, jaypers the sh!ttin their doing! Is it the same with all herds atm?

My cows would **** for Ireland

kevthegaff · 26-10-2020 7:53am

In the parlour their terrible atm, just wondering is it normal atm

DukeCaboom · 26-10-2020 7:54am

kevthegaff wrote: »

In the parlour their terrible atm, just wondering is it normal atm

Ha, was milking with the brother last night it was like a game of dodgeball!

Toetohand · 26-10-2020 12:40pm

Dispersal sale- I’m just looking for advice on dispersal of herd. 50 cows with average EBI of 160. What’s the best route to go with them? Mart privately or with Grasstec or similar company. ( really don’t want private route due to hassle, covid etc)
We had hoped to wait and sell them next April but due to circumstances they may have to go sooner. Scanning done and herd test November. They may have to go after that.
Any advice greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance

DukeCaboom · 26-10-2020 12:55pm

Toetohand wrote: »

Dispersal sale- I’m just looking for advice on dispersal of herd. 50 cows with average EBI of 160. What’s the best route to go with them? Mart privately or with Grasstec or similar company. ( really don’t want private route due to hassle, covid etc)
We had hoped to wait and sell them next April but due to circumstances they may have to go sooner. Scanning done and herd test November. They may have to go after that.
Any advice greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance

I'd probably go with grasstec . A neighbour went with them last year & was very happy. Their net is so wide, if you sell in your local mart the pool can be small. They're well able to charge but everything is done for you.

Toetohand · 26-10-2020 1:53pm

DukeCaboom wrote: »

I'd probably go with grasstec . A neighbour went with them last year & was very happy. Their net is so wide, if you sell in your local mart the pool can be small. They're well able to charge but everything is done for you.

Thanks Duke.Any idea what there commission or rates are?

Grueller · 26-10-2020 2:26pm

Toetohand wrote: »

Dispersal sale- I’m just looking for advice on dispersal of herd. 50 cows with average EBI of 160. What’s the best route to go with them? Mart privately or with Grasstec or similar company. ( really don’t want private route due to hassle, covid etc)
We had hoped to wait and sell them next April but due to circumstances they may have to go sooner. Scanning done and herd test November. They may have to go after that.
Any advice greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance

To be honest ebi is quite good and there are loads of new entrants knocking about this year. I would put up an ad for the whole herd as one lot explicitly stating that it will be split under no circumstances. I know I would have been all over that deal last year.

Toetohand · 26-10-2020 2:46pm

Grueller wrote: »

To be honest ebi is quite good and there are loads of new entrants knocking about this year. I would put up an ad for the whole herd as one lot explicitly stating that it will be split under no circumstances. I know I would have been all over that deal last year.

Thanks Grueller. Very genuine herd couple of old timers pulling EBI down. Would you advertise through Grasstec? Tbh putting a value on them ourselves is an issue. I’d love to see them go as a herd- make it easier on man and beast.

Siamsa Sessions · 26-10-2020 3:07pm

Toetohand wrote: »

Thanks Grueller. Very genuine herd couple of old timers pulling EBI down. Would you advertise through Grasstec? Tbh putting a value on them ourselves is an issue. I’d love to see them go as a herd- make it easier on man and beast.

A neighbour here paid 1350 for in-calf heifers recently if that’s any type of reference. Not sure of EBI.

It’s no use to you but I’ll be in the market for 15 of what you’re selling this time next year

Timmaay · 26-10-2020 5:18pm

I think Grasstec is something like 5% commission on each side? Don't quote me on that, but it certainly isn't cheap. Very good service and stress free through. Donedeal your other route, you can easily enough get the animals valued privately, good few lads doing this for TB animals the whole time, 13/14/1500 in around what I'd expect however could be more or less depending on the stock.

Say my name · 26-10-2020 5:38pm

Don't forget about David Clarke livestock.

He deals in large dairy herds.

Mooooo · 26-10-2020 5:47pm

Depending on part of the country, a well advertised mart sale may do well esp for a dispersal sale.
May be worth selling any lower value stock separately earlier, older stock etc that way the main bunch can have a higher average.
I guess putting a value on the herd ye would be happy with and then deciding which route to go with by achieving it. If grasstec can get ye what ye want after commission is taken ye would both be happy.

Injuryprone · 26-10-2020 5:55pm

You'd have nothing to loose by talking to them anyway. They seem to be a fairly sound bunch. They appear to be dealing in a fairly large amount of animals so I'm sure that they'd be able to give you a reasonably accurate estimate as to what they'd be able to get for them and you could then decide how to proceed from there

DukeCaboom · 26-10-2020 6:40pm

Toetohand wrote: »

Thanks Duke.Any idea what there commission or rates are?

I think its 4%.

trixi2011 · 26-10-2020 7:30pm

DukeCaboom wrote: »

I think its 4%.

2% buyer 2% seller afaik

Grueller · 26-10-2020 7:57pm

If it's any help a man locally to here bought 8 heifers last week with average EBI of €190.

He gave €1550 for the ones in calf to sexed semen and €1500 for the ones in calf to Angus. All calving from 28 January to 14 February.

Birdnuts · 26-10-2020 9:49pm

kevthegaff wrote: »

In the parlour their terrible atm, just wondering is it normal atm

Probably a summer of heavy wet covers. You should see what it does to sheep....:rolleyes:

Siamsa Sessions · 26-10-2020 10:28pm

On a related note - what are the chances of buying 2nd or 3rd lactation cows this time next year, or in Jan/Feb/March any year?

Are there always some few around? Or would you be very lucky to find them?

Buford T. Justice XIX · 27-10-2020 10:39am

A bit more from Bruce Thompson and dung beetles.
https://twitter.com/Friesian_man/status/1321017874274750464?s=19

Say my name · 27-10-2020 11:31am

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

A bit more from Bruce Thompson

He's a gas card!

He's done more to raise awareness of dung beetles in Ireland among the beneficiaries of dung beetles than anyone came before him.

And done great work highlighting what a Nuffield scholarship can mean.
Other years you wouldn't even hear tell of a Nuffield scholars work unless you were in the Nuffield circle.

And all in a difficult year.. (with a few puns thrown in).

Timmaay · 27-10-2020 2:48pm

2 of the manhole lids slipped into the slurry tank here today, and very near miss when I left one wide open, and all the milkers weren't locked into their paddock this morning and ran into the yard. Ffs Tim go buy a whole new set of covers and stop pricking around like this before luck runs out.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 27-10-2020 3:02pm

Anyone waiting to do the Nutrient Use Efficiency and Soil Fertility course this year, it's going to be online this year and you can still book your place with Teagasc.

Just received notification of our ones next week.

Siamsa Sessions · 27-10-2020 3:16pm

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

Anyone waiting to do the Nutrient Use Efficiency and Soil Fertility course this year, it's going to be online this year and you can still book your place with Teagasc.

Just received notification of our ones next week.

Can anyone attend or do you need to be a Teagasc client?

Buford T. Justice XIX · 27-10-2020 3:21pm

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Can anyone attend or do you need to be a Teagasc client?

No idea, Siamsa. Afaik, we have to pay for the course but I haven't asked when it's due. If you ring your local Teagasc office, they should be able to sort you with a link for it as there's no limits on zoom courses. The price though, I have no idea of, I have to do the course either way.

Morris Moss · 27-10-2020 5:51pm

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

No idea, Siamsa. Afaik, we have to pay for the course but I haven't asked when it's due. If you ring your local Teagasc office, they should be able to sort you with a link for it as there's no limits on zoom courses. The price though, I have no idea of, I have to do the course either way.

It's 90 quid, it's for farms in derogation

timple23 · 28-10-2020 1:54pm

Just wondering if anyone has something like this installed. Dry dung tends to just sit on the slat. Looks like a good idea.

The grid moves back and forth with the track.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 28-10-2020 4:56pm

Housed the first lot today. About half the weanling heifers broke out a few days ago, led by the two Jex witches I was unlucky to have here.

They broke and tore down about 5 sections of wire bringing them in to separate out the two leaders so now they can all fecking stay inside till 2045:mad:

straight · 28-10-2020 5:10pm

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

Anyone waiting to do the Nutrient Use Efficiency and Soil Fertility course this year, it's going to be online this year and you can still book your place with Teagasc.

Just received notification of our ones next week.

I've to do a sustainability and environmental course over 2 days. 5 hours in total and 90 euro. Fecking money racket. It's farmers that should be giving the sustainability course and not taking it. Will have to set up a zoom course for my father too and he'll have to pay another 90 euro. No way he's going to pay attention to a course for 2.5 hours though. Leave it play away on mute on the table I'd say.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 28-10-2020 5:14pm

straight wrote: »

I've to do a sustainability and environmental course over 2 days. 5 hours in total and 90 euro. Fecking money racket. It's farmers that should be giving the sustainability course and not taking it. Will have to set up a zoom course for my father too and he'll have to pay another 90 euro. No way he's going to pay attention to a course for 2.5 hours though. Leave it play away on mute on the table I'd say.

All courses nowadays seem designed more to support as many off farm jobs as possible. Tbh, I have no idea wtf is going on in a lot of the schemes because I'd be a few months just reading the terms and conditions, never mind actually doing the work required on the scheme:o

28-10-2020 6:58pm

timple23 wrote: »

Just wondering if anyone has something like this installed. Dry dung tends to just sit on the slat. Looks like a good idea.

The grid moves back and forth with the track.

That looks like it is outside of where there is livestock . Might be hard on feet if installed inside

straight · 28-10-2020 8:18pm

timple23 wrote: »

Just wondering if anyone has something like this installed. Dry dung tends to just sit on the slat. Looks like a good idea.

The grid moves back and forth with the track.

No way here anyway. Asking for trouble. Use the handscraper to move the heap and work it in if it's annoying you

whelan2 · 28-10-2020 8:22pm

Plenty of water. I have a couple of taps set up in my new shed. Makes a big difference.

timple23 · 28-10-2020 8:59pm

straight wrote: »

Asking for trouble.

In what way?

Have used water to wash it down but doesn't suit setup. Ultimately trying to reduce daily workload.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 28-10-2020 9:20pm

Thinking of changing my username to Clear air hole. Press select:mad:

straight · 28-10-2020 9:34pm

timple23 wrote: »

In what way?

Have used water to wash it down but doesn't suit setup. Ultimately trying to reduce daily workload.

Damaging cows legs

Say my name · 28-10-2020 10:03pm

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

Thinking of changing my username to Clear air hole. Press select:mad:

Poor fungi anyway.

straight · 31-10-2020 2:12pm

I see perseus is gone proven. Great news for me as I've used him more heavily here than any other bull. He's handy for the heifers with the easy calving. I think I'll use more proven bulls from now on as some of the heifers coming through end up being a bit disappointing.

GrasstoMilk · 31-10-2020 2:22pm

straight wrote: »

I see perseus is gone proven. Great news for me as I've used him more heavily here than any other bull. He's handy for the heifers with the easy calving. I think I'll use more proven bulls from now on as some of the heifers coming through end up being a bit disappointing.

What type of cow are you trying to breed? He has alot of milk

K.G. · 31-10-2020 2:37pm

Being a small bit parochial here but how come the fella with the lowest tbc and somatic didnt win the ndc quality award.tbc 4 and cell count of 37 is fantastic

straight · 31-10-2020 2:52pm

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

What type of cow are you trying to breed? He has alot of milk

I like what UCD Lyons farm are trying to achieve. 600kgs per cow. I have a herd of friesians that have been bred through high EBI/bull of the day for 30 years but I'd like to put more milk in them. I'm putting high production holsteins in my smaller cows and my intention is to cross them back again with a high EBI straw the next time. Will stock them at about 1 cow to the acre and strive for 550kg+ per cow.

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