Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

kevinandrew · 06-08-2020 2:49pm

EI-FAS is currently on approach to Belfast City after positioning from Kerry, where it had previously been in storage.

The new base doesn’t commence operations till later this month I thought?

donkey balls · 06-08-2020 9:48pm

The other half was due to go away the third weekend to LPA this month with the girls and was e mailed to say it was cancelled, Just had a look on the EI app and flights to TFS/LPA nothing showing

Yet for ACE their is plenty of dates available any reason why flying to just one of the islands.

Tenger · 07-08-2020 12:11pm

donkey balls wrote: »

The other half was due to go away the third weekend to LPA this month with the girls and was e mailed to say it was cancelled, Just had a look on the EI app and flights to TFS/LPA nothing showing

Yet for ACE their is plenty of dates available any reason why flying to just one of the islands.

Probably demand driven. LPA bookings have all changed date or there is no uptake on the current tickets. Whereas ACE maybe seeing people buying tickets. I personally know of 2 older couples who are going to ACE next weekend.

Kcormahs · 07-08-2020 12:29pm

Aer Lingus to operate chartered flights to India and China next month. Any update on this?

Nijmegen · 07-08-2020 1:16pm

Kcormahs wrote: »

Aer Lingus to operate chartered flights to India and China next month. Any update on this?

On behalf of the Universities, presumably? I know Queen's is doing it.

Kcormahs · 07-08-2020 1:23pm

Nijmegen wrote: »

On behalf of the Universities, presumably? I know Queen's is doing it.

Yeah seems to be students

Jack1985 · 07-08-2020 7:18pm

A321neoLR operating with tech stops to India.

duskyjoe · 07-08-2020 7:46pm

Jack1985 wrote: »

A321neoLR operating with tech stops to India.

Yeah roight !

Jack1985 · 08-08-2020 5:04pm

duskyjoe wrote: »

Yeah roight !

Had the same reaction, but it's revenue deciding what gives best return for EI and when your loosing money each day I don't think anyone is going to argue with it.

Fixed amount of pax to be transported at later stages; planning is to use A321neoLR for those legs where even with tech stops it's cheaper than sending an A330 - This may change if required seats were to change for those legs.

A330 will be operating DUB-PEK charter; in addition DUB-AUH and operating a shuttle between AUH-DEL to avoid EI crew night stopping in India.

smurfjed · 08-08-2020 5:26pm

@Jack1985, whats the purpose of these flights? Students ?

Jack1985 · 08-08-2020 5:28pm

smurfjed wrote: »

@Jack1985, whats the purpose of these flights? Students ?

I believe so.

Kcormahs · 09-08-2020 12:18pm

These charter flights will be in a very minimised frequency and will be a two weeks operation from what I am hearing.

Also with the worsening situation on cases and government to extend further measures to passengers arriving from outside the EU, we may see Aer Lingus suspending the US operation for pax and only keeping cargo for a period of 4 to 7 months. Extra redundancies may be announced adding up to the numbers previously mentioned. Aer Lingus could keep the current 2021 operation plans with 800 cabin crew in DUB. For pilots it won’t cut numbers as union reached a deal with management. Not sure about groundstaff.

https://www.thejournal.ie/department-preparing-options-for-restricting-non-essential-travel-from-countries-with-high-virus-rates-5171398-Aug2020/

Tenger · 09-08-2020 7:57pm

Kcormahs wrote: »

...........

............... Aer Lingus could keep the current 2021 operation plans with 800 cabin crew in DUB. For pilots it won’t cut numbers as union reached a deal with management. Not sure about groundstaff..........

800 from the current 2000! Thats vicious.

Regarding the pilots; I had read that the agreement had timed retun to wages (think it was 60% in Oct, 70% in Jan, 90% in April)
If the fligth operation remains under 50% that agreement is problematic for EI.

Kcormahs · 09-08-2020 8:04pm

Tenger wrote: »

800 from the current 2000! Thats vicious.

Regarding the pilots; I had read that the agreement had timed retun to wages (think it was 60% in Oct, 70% in Jan, 90% in April)
If the fligth operation remains under 50% that agreement is problematic for EI.

1700 odd and thats with all the bases in the republic. No where close to 2000 anymore I am afraid. (Everyone who was on a fixed term contract was let go. This was 2019 and 2020 crew)

I agree with you in regards to the pilots

California Dreamer · 09-08-2020 8:43pm

I am only spitballing here and could be very wrong BUT would be easier to get and train cabin crew than suitable A320/A330 pilots so thats why they are in a better position to retain staff pay levels?

Just because you are 320 rated does not mean you are EI 320 trained.

Qprmeath · 11-08-2020 9:24am

Ingrid Miley bit slow on the redundancy package news?

LXFlyer · 11-08-2020 9:48am

Qprmeath wrote: »

Ingrid Miley bit slow on the redundancy package news?

Is it really anyone’s business apart from the employees and the company?

Mc Love · 11-08-2020 1:23pm

LXFlyer wrote: »

Is it really anyone’s business apart from the employees and the company?

I'd agree but she is leaked news the whole time, she might as well have an office there and work as their PR person

HTCOne · 11-08-2020 1:34pm

Mc Love wrote: »

I'd agree but she is leaked news the whole time, she might as well have an office there and work as their PR person

Management of companies tip media off in advance of negotiations / announcements to get “their” spin on things out into the public domain before staff / unions can counter said spin.

Jack1985 · 20-08-2020 3:06pm

Aer Lingus have pulled previous intention to operate charter flights to India.

rivegauche · 20-08-2020 3:51pm

https://www.anna.aero/2020/08/18/aer-lingus-to-use-a321neos-to-newark-toronto-with-its-a330-300s-having-50-higher-costs-rdc-apex-platform-shows/

anna.aero analysis of costs of operating A321 Neos versus the A330.

As far as I can see it is a case of gain consistent results at the expense of maximising potential profit but there is a lot more to the article than that.

BZ · 20-08-2020 4:18pm

Jack1985 wrote: »

Aer Lingus have pulled previous intention to operate charter flights to India.

Any reason behind their decision, surely would of been a money maker?

kevinandrew · 20-08-2020 4:20pm

Jack1985 wrote: »

Aer Lingus have pulled previous intention to operate charter flights to India.

I guess they deemed it wasn’t worth their while?

Tarabuses · 20-08-2020 5:00pm

kevinandrew wrote: »

I guess they deemed it wasn’t worth their while?

Didn't the Universities cancel the arrangement?

Tenger · 20-08-2020 9:01pm

Jack1985 wrote: »

Aer Lingus have pulled previous intention to operate charter flights to India.

Withdrawn their tender for the operation or the charters themselves were cancelled?

Jack1985 · 20-08-2020 9:56pm

BZ wrote: »

Any reason behind their decision, surely would of been a money maker?

kevinandrew wrote: »

I guess they deemed it wasn’t worth their while?

Tenger wrote: »

Withdrawn their tender for the operation or the charters themselves were cancelled?

I don't know I'm afraid, other than that the whole programme of flying is scrapped.

Personally I had thought prior the achilles heel was that EK fly from multiple points in India via DXB to Dublin and have ample capacity at the moment to fill - Of course the flights mightn't even be going full stop as they could have been pulled by Uni's.

joeysoap · 21-08-2020 2:39pm

Bad and all as going to golf dinners in Clifden is are you’d want rocks in yourhead to visit India ATM.
Over 68,000 cases yesterday.

Cookiemunster · 21-08-2020 3:04pm

joeysoap wrote: »

Bad and all as going to golf dinners in Clifden is are you’d want rocks in yourhead to visit India ATM.
Over 68,000 cases yesterday.

Nobody was traveling to India. The proposed charters were to bring Indian university students to Ireland.

jamo2oo9 · 21-08-2020 3:17pm

joeysoap wrote: »

Bad and all as going to golf dinners in Clifden is are you’d want rocks in yourhead to visit India ATM.
Over 68,000 cases yesterday.

1. Charter flights to India were to bring students to Ireland. It's not a charter flight for tourists. It's possible that some may fly on it to India to return home but that seems quite unlikely.

2. Numbers don't mean anything unless you compare it. 68,000 cases in India seems high but they have 1.3 billion people living there. India is actually doing better than Ireland when you break the number of cases per million. India is about 2,100 whereas Ireland is at 5,600.

kona · 21-08-2020 3:53pm

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

1. Charter flights to India were to bring students to Ireland. It's not a charter flight for tourists. It's possible that some may fly on it to India to return home but that seems quite unlikely.

2. Numbers don't mean anything unless you compare it. 68,000 cases in India seems high but they have 1.3 billion people living there. India is actually doing better than Ireland when you break the number of cases per million. India is about 2,100 whereas Ireland is at 5,600.

Honestly, do you think, considering some people there actually live out of piles of rubbish or have no idea of social distancing, that those figures are either accurate or present the actual picture?

Probably 68k people in a certain caste tbh.

joeysoap · 21-08-2020 10:23pm

There a few countries that I wouldn’t believe, Belarus , China , India among others.

smurfjed · 22-08-2020 9:53am

Jack1985 wrote: »

Personally I had thought prior the achilles heel was that EK fly from multiple points in India via DXB to Dublin and have ample capacity at the moment to fill - Of course the flights mightn't even be going full stop as they could have been pulled by Uni's.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Universities used this as a way of getting better prices from Emirates / Qatar. There is no way that an ad-hoc charter flight like that can complete price wise against a scheduled service.

Has the A321LR got the range to operate to AUH over Egypt and Saudi ?

MonkeySpanner · 22-08-2020 12:03pm

Have Aer Lingus announced any reduction in service recently?

I’ve flights booked to ACE in mid September but I checked the current prices out of curiosity this morning and it’s showing a lot of dates (including my own) as sold out.

I find it hard to believe they’ve sold out judging by reports of other people on flight occupancy at the moment and if I log in to my booking all seats are available to purchase.

Does it look like my flight will be cancelled or moved?

goingnowhere · 22-08-2020 12:34pm

Sold out typically means an existing flight has been cancelled.

The busiest A320 flight I've been on since March was 106 passengers

Jack1985 · 22-08-2020 2:43pm

smurfjed wrote: »

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Universities used this as a way of getting better prices from Emirates / Qatar. There is no way that an ad-hoc charter flight like that can complete price wise against a scheduled service.

Has the A321LR got the range to operate to AUH over Egypt and Saudi ?

My sentiments exactly. It had been envisaged that it would have operated with a tech stop.

goingnowhere · 23-08-2020 9:44am

I don't think a A321 was good idea regardless, students moving here for study wouldn't be light on the luggage and the LR is restricted in this area due the AUX tanks taking up hold space.

Since Aug 1st you need a clear COVID test to land into UAE so going via Emirates might not be practical

A330 would be far and above the best solution in terms of range and load

Doylers · 23-08-2020 2:52pm

When does Aer Lingus usually publish their winter schedule? Trying to plan TATL xmas flights.

California Dreamer · 23-08-2020 2:57pm

Doylers wrote: »

When does Aer Lingus usually publish their winter schedule? Trying to plan TATL xmas flights.

Honestly I would say you are being very optimistic of any meaningful TATL flights before the end of the year, leaving aside the US border restrictions. I hope I am wrong though.

Van.Bosch · 23-08-2020 3:04pm

Doylers wrote: »

When does Aer Lingus usually publish their winter schedule? Trying to plan TATL xmas flights.

Which city you hoping to fly to?

Doylers · 23-08-2020 3:04pm

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Which city you hoping to fly to?

Toronto to Dublin

Doylers · 23-08-2020 3:06pm

California Dreamer wrote: »

Honestly I would say you are being very optimistic of any meaningful TATL flights before the end of the year, leaving aside the US border restrictions. I hope I am wrong though.

Hope your wrong too! Only AC flying from canada right now, i'm sitting on so many avios i'm trying to burn some. Terrified they will devalue them.

Van.Bosch · 23-08-2020 3:08pm

Doylers wrote: »

Hope your wrong too! Only AC flying from canada right now, i'm sitting on so many avios i'm trying to burn some. Terrified they will devalue them.

BA via LHR is your best bet, can’t see Aer Lingus flying, unless they do some Christmas season flights.

Doylers · 23-08-2020 3:11pm

Van.Bosch wrote: »

BA via LHR is your best bet, can’t see Aer Lingus flying, unless they do some Christmas season flights.

Yeah was looking at that(wouldn't mind given a 350 a go) just their redemptions aren't half a good as EI so have been holding hope they would restart soon.

goingnowhere · 23-08-2020 3:54pm

Until Canada allows travel from Ireland for Irish citizens EI won't be flying to Toronto

EI's schedule is loaded already but anything further than 3 weeks out cannot be relied upon

Gekko · 23-08-2020 7:33pm

Van.Bosch wrote: »

BA via LHR is your best bet, can’t see Aer Lingus flying, unless they do some Christmas season flights.

A friend returned to Washington a while back and gave up with AL as they kept cancelling the flight so he had to go on BA

MonkeySpanner · 23-08-2020 8:55pm

goingnowhere wrote: »

Sold out typically means an existing flight has been cancelled.

The busiest A320 flight I've been on since March was 106 passengers

Thanks. Not looking good so.

Do you know when they usually contact passengers if a flight is cancelled? When they cancelled my flights in March it was only a few days before but giving the uncertainty at the time that was understandable.

I’ve sent them a message enquiring about it. I’d rather know sooner than later so I can look into Ryanair as they seem to be running daily flights to ACE at the moment.

goingnowhere · 24-08-2020 7:23am

Typically 21-14 days before departure

roundymac · 24-08-2020 12:14pm

My wife was due to fly to USA in mid sept. She was notified about two weeks ago that her flight was switched to DUB from SNN, she took a refund instead.

Elaine762 · 26-08-2020 3:17pm

just read that any cabin crew with seniority from now to July 2013 will be furloughed from Oct 2nd at American Airlines. In Aer Lingus would it go back that much? 2014-2019 were the years where aer lingus hired the most crew. Any inside which seniorities are affected? July 2013 would be pushing a bit too much for Aer Lingus no? although from my understanding any 2019/2020 joiners have already been let go

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2020/08/25/american-airlines-to-furlough-more-than-8000-flight-attendants-in-october/

basill · 26-08-2020 3:24pm

Why do you care and what business is it of yours? If you were an interested party then you would be receiving communications from your union and employer. Any comparison to AA is meaningless. I don't see what the point of idle speculation is about potential job/career losses. New joiners are on temporary contracts so they were terminated in accordance with the agreed notice period. Not dissimilar to contractors.

Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

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