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    #7562
    Whelo79
    Registered Users Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    It's because of the huge contract that is already in place with another company
    Whitman said he didn't "know" but then says UFC wants them to sell there idea or simple work along side the company that supplies the gloves now,
    That's code for saying we want your gloves but we have a long ass contract and that we aren't going to break (they d have to pay off the other company) when consumer of the product don't really care about the gloves

    But doesn't the other company just manufacture the UFC gloves? That company doesn't own the design. The UFC could easily tell them we now want you to manufacture this new design for the remainder of the contract.


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    #7563
    mailburner
    Registered Users Posts: 23,839 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    eye v calvillo as a main event in 2 weeks :eek:

    I thought I was seeing things :pac:


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    #7564
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,092 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Whelo79 wrote: »
    But doesn't the other company just manufacture the UFC gloves? That company doesn't own the design. The UFC could easily tell them we now want you to manufacture this new design for the remainder of the contract.

    Yea they could. But in order to do that, they’d need to buy the rights to the design. Which Trevor refused to sell.

    This is less “Trevor sticking to his guns” and more being naive and bad at business. He could wait for the renewal I guess.


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    #7565
    Whelo79
    Registered Users Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    Mellor wrote: »
    Yea they could. But in order to do that, they’d need to buy the rights to the design. Which Trevor refused to sell.

    Not necessarily. The UFC could buy rights to the design alright, but the stumbling block seems to be that they want exclusive rights to the design, to actually buy the patent for the design. That's what he doesn't want to release, as he wants all fighters in all organisations to be able to use his glove.


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    #7566
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,092 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Whelo79 wrote: »
    Not necessarily. The UFC could buy rights to the design alright, but the stumbling block seems to be that they want exclusive rights to the design, to actually buy the patent for the design. That's what he doesn't want to release, as he wants all fighters in all organisations to be able to use his glove.

    Yeah. I suppose there’s a solution where he could license the design to the UFC but also retain the option to license to others.
    Maybe he should get them into the market with smaller org, if they gain traction he might have a stronger case.


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    #7567
    Still Ill
    Registered Users Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭Still Ill


    I don't watch Joe Rogan. What's the benefit of the glove design?


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    #7568
    JJayoo
    Registered Users Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Didn't watch but am assuming it will stop the likes of Jon Jones from finger banging your eye holes


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    #7569
    Whelo79
    Registered Users Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    Still Ill wrote: »
    I don't watch Joe Rogan. What's the benefit of the glove design?

    They actually went into a lot of detail about how poor the UFC glove design is. It forces the fingers open (resulting in eye pokes). The forearms burn out due to the effort of constantly making a fist (forcing against the resistance from the glove design) and also from how tight the gloves are. Fighters are wearing gloves a bigger size to accommodate for the hand wraps. There is also apparently huge discrepencies in the actual weight of the gloves (4oz does not always mean 4oz, and the right is often lighter than the left for some reason). The padding used is substandard compared to modern impact padding that is available.

    Whitman's design protects the hand more, allows a more natural finger position and freedom of movement. It eliminates the need for hand wraps due to a pull string design, which keeps the hand compact and tight. It also uses modern impact padding which absorbs the force of impact. They done a cool test by dropping a large marble on the current padding vs modern impact padding. The current padding the marble bounced several times after initial impact. With the modern padding the marble stopped dead, zero bounce.


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    #7570
    ricero
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    Jon Jones is vacating the light-heavyweight title


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    #7571
    scudzilla
    Registered Users Posts: 11,911 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    ricero wrote: »
    Jon Jones is vacating the light-heavyweight title

    Wonder if through choice or popped again?


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    #7572
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,642 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    scudzilla wrote:
    Wonder if through choice or popped again?
    He is looking to be released after Dana dissed him.


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    #7573
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,555 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Whelo79 wrote: »
    They actually went into a lot of detail about how poor the UFC glove design is. It forces the fingers open (resulting in eye pokes). The forearms burn out due to the effort of constantly making a fist (forcing against the resistance from the glove design) and also from how tight the gloves are. Fighters are wearing gloves a bigger size to accommodate for the hand wraps. There is also apparently huge discrepencies in the actual weight of the gloves (4oz does not always mean 4oz, and the right is often lighter than the left for some reason). The padding used is substandard compared to modern impact padding that is available.

    Whitman's design protects the hand more, allows a more natural finger position and freedom of movement. It eliminates the need for hand wraps due to a pull string design, which keeps the hand compact and tight. It also uses modern impact padding which absorbs the force of impact. They done a cool test by dropping a large marble on the current padding vs modern impact padding. The current padding the marble bounced several times after initial impact. With the modern padding the marble stopped dead, zero bounce.

    The biggest surprise form it was the foam they use is basically just every day foam which shifts around ,Whitman's technology foam is miles better ,


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    #7574
    JJayoo
    Registered Users Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    scudzilla wrote: »
    Wonder if through choice or popped again?


    Attention seeking


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    #7575
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,092 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    The biggest surprise form it was the foam they use is basically just every day foam which shifts around ,Whitman's technology foam is miles better ,
    Whelo79 wrote: »
    It also uses modern impact padding which absorbs the force of impact. They done a cool test by dropping a large marble on the current padding vs modern impact padding. The current padding the marble bounced several times after initial impact. With the modern padding the marble stopped dead, zero bounce.

    Haven't see the details on the foam yet. And I know know anything about modern glove design.
    But just on the impact padding stuff. Is that extra absorption desirable? Why?
    I can understand it in training gloves. Where you want extra protection, without extra bulk. But for fight gloves, I'm not sure if it is a benefit.

    Similar with no wraps too I guess. Makes sense for training. Not should I'd want unwrapped hands in a fight situation.


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    #7576
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,555 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Mellor wrote: »
    Haven't see the details on the foam yet. And I know know anything about modern glove design.
    But just on the impact padding stuff. Is that extra absorption desirable? Why?
    I can understand it in training gloves. Where you want extra protection, without extra bulk. But for fight gloves, I'm not sure if it is a benefit.

    Similar with no wraps too I guess. Makes sense for training. Not should I'd want unwrapped hands in a fight situation.

    The absorption in the new one is not about taken away impact , its about the foam not shifting on impact, It means the foam stays in place and doesn't move leaving your hands vulnerable ,

    Basically is not to protect your opponent from impact its to protect your hands, second metacarpal breaks are the most common fight injury in MMA,


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    #7577
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,558 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    The absorption in the new one is not about taken away impact , its about the foam not shifting on impact, It means the foam stays in place and doesn't move leaving your hands vulnerable ,

    Basically is not to protect your opponent from impact its to protect your hands, second metacarpal breaks are the most common fight injury in MMA,

    It's the impact in the shin guards though.

    The strapping on the glove looks like it would help mitigate against wrist injuries as well.

    As an aside, albeit injury-related, Justin not wearing a cup? Jesus.


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    #7578
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,555 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    It's the impact in the shin guards though.

    The strapping on the glove looks like it would help mitigate against wrist injuries as well.

    As an aside, albeit injury-related, Justin not wearing a cup? Jesus.

    I know that's crazy , but sure look he fights grown men in a cage for a living so doesn't surprise me that hes crazy ,


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    #7579
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,558 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    I know that's crazy , but sure look he fights grown men in a cage for a living so doesn't surprise me that hes crazy ,

    A cup though...

    Remember seeing a guy get kicked in training and wasn't wearing a cup. Never forgot it once after that.


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    #7580
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Even a glancing blow hurts.
    Or a knee slice pass that's a bit too high, that's a fairly common one for me.


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    #7581
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,092 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    The absorption in the new one is not about taken away impact , its about the foam not shifting on impact, It means the foam stays in place and doesn't move leaving your hands vulnerable ,

    Basically is not to protect your opponent from impact its to protect your hands, second metacarpal breaks are the most common fight injury in MMA,
    I get the issue with shifting padding. I was talking about the marble test, not sure how more absorption prevents slipping though. More secure fixing would fix that.

    I'm aware that gloves protect the hands not the head. But so do boxing gloves.
    Woudl be interesting to know where the gloves sze compared to 6oz gloves.

    Hands wraps also protect the metacarpals and wrist. Not the knuckles as many people assume. Don't the idea of not wrapping in comp. But not flat gloves is a huge plus


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    #7582
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,555 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Mellor wrote: »
    I get the issue with shifting padding. I was talking about the marble test, not sure how more absorption prevents slipping though. More secure fixing would fix that.

    I'm aware that gloves protect the hands not the head. But so do boxing gloves.
    Woudl be interesting to know where the gloves sze compared to 6oz gloves.

    Hands wraps also protect the metacarpals and wrist. Not the knuckles as many people assume. Don't the idea of not wrapping in comp. But not flat gloves is a huge plus

    Hard to explain without diagrams but if you add more fixing into a glove especially a small MMA glove ,it leave more place for the padding to be weak around the fixing if that makes sense and still doesn't stop the foam from bunching ( basically the foam is pushed away from the impact point )

    The technology foam means you don't need more fixing, If you heat the foam (hair dryer) it'll sculpt to your hand and won't move with impact at all ,Witman reckon you don't need wraps with his foam and his fighters don't use wraps in the gym , Said Rose was the last to convert,


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    #7583
    US2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    Eddie Hearn and Tony bellow have a pod cast out. It's mostly mma chat. 6 episodes so far ones with Bisping, Helwani, Till, Dana. On matchroom boxing YouTube.

    Hearn seems to be serious about trying to get a boxing v mma event going.


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    #7584
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,642 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    US2 wrote:
    Eddie Hearn and Tony bellow have a pod cast out. It's mostly mma chat. 6 episodes so far ones with Bisping, Helwani, Till, Dana. On matchroom boxing YouTube.

    Hearn seems to be serious about trying to get a boxing v mma event going.
    Well knowing how much Hearn loves money this is about him getting into the MMA market. Big splash event with boxers vs MMA fighters is the perfect way to publicise a new MMA company.


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    #7585
    Lucas Hood
    Registered Users Posts: 7,205 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    US2 wrote: »
    Eddie Hearn and Tony bellow have a pod cast out. It's mostly mma chat. 6 episodes so far ones with Bisping, Helwani, Till, Dana. On matchroom boxing YouTube.

    Hearn seems to be serious about trying to get a boxing v mma event going.

    Hearn came across well on Helwanis show a while back. Also good interview on True Geordie pod not long before that.


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    #7586
    ASOT
    Registered Users Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Boards favorite Ian Heinisch has been removed from the 250 card due to his cornermen testing positive for corona.


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    #7587
    Starlord_01
    Registered Users Posts: 443 ✭✭Starlord_01


    ASOT wrote: »
    Boards favorite Ian Heinisch has been removed from the 250 card due to his cornermen testing positive for corona.

    Back on now: https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2020/06/ian-heinisch-vs-gerald-meerschaert-back-on-ufc-250-false-positive-covid-19-test


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    #7588
    Beersmith
    Registered Users Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭Beersmith


    ASOT wrote: »
    Boards favorite Ian Heinisch has been removed from the 250 card due to his cornermen testing positive for corona.

    Why is he a boards fav again? I have a vague recollection of this


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    #7589
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    When I went to make my picks for the fight, ESPN still had Heinisch's replacement as a selection.

    He had his record as 0-1-0............ surely that can't be right?

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    #7590
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,642 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Apoarently Heinisch is back in, coaches test was a false positive. He took another test and was cleared.


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    #7591
    xtal191
    Registered Users Posts: 6,312 ✭✭✭xtal191


    Heinischs players tribune article is a great read, I'm sure it was posted before but heres the link for those who haven't read it

    https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/ian-heinisch-ufc


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