22 syrian families arrive in ireland, then what?

jmreire · 28-12-2018 12:36am

road_high wrote: »

So open the floodgates, don’t bother with vetting or scrutiny?
The problem has been that there’s been waves of other economic migrants (invariably men) from Africa and the middle east, zilch to do with Syrian conflict, mixed in with genuine refugees. The nations of Europe cannot simply take in all these from an economic and social standpoint. If it had just been the Syrians then we could have coped and helped more practically.
What we can’t do is take in economic migrants from all and sundry

For the Syrians at least that we have been receiving in Ireland, they have all been vetted and come from refugee camps in Lebanon.
As for all the others, Thank you Frau Merkel. But even now I think that because there was such a backlash in Germany ( and Europe too) Frau Merkel is having 2nd ( and possibly 3rd ) thoughts,because they have started "Repatriating", particularly the law breakers, back to their Countries of origin, and in Germany there will not be appeal after appeal, as happens here.

s7ryf3925pivug · 28-12-2018 12:39am

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War

They used chemical weapons a great many times in attacks on their own people.

The Clinton slavery thing I assume is CT nonsense.

The capability for vetting might be limited. In theory I agree but it’s probably impractical.

Economic migrants are irrelevant. Syrians are not just economic migrants. Completely separate.

Sweetemotion · 28-12-2018 12:43am

Armando Fast Gunboat wrote: »

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War

They used chemical weapons a great many times in attacks on their own people.

The Clinton slave thing I assume is CT nonsense.

The capability for vetting might be limited. In theory I agree but it’s probably impractical.

Economic migrants are irrelevant. Syrians are not just economic migrants. Completely separate.

Wikipedia.
No slave trade Libya.
Sure just let everyone in.

anotherfinemess · 28-12-2018 12:47am

Mutant z wrote: »

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

22 families isn't a lot

It will be by the time they bring all the rest of them along then suddenly that supposedly small figure will not look so small once you invite some others will inevitablly follow then you are left with an uncontrollable situation and a whole heap of problems it will bring so foots need to be firmly stamped on the ground to stop it from happening.

50 years ago there weren't that many non europeans in the UK. Now look at the ghetto culture in most cities there - do we want that for our next generation?

road_high · 28-12-2018 12:51am

anotherfinemess wrote: »

50 years ago there weren't that many non europeans in the UK. Now look at the ghetto culture in most cities there - do we want that for our next generation?

Apparently if you only want limited, genuine needs based sensible migration you’re a racist.

s7ryf3925pivug · 28-12-2018 12:58am

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Wikipedia.
No slave trade Libya.
Sure just let everyone in.

I assume connecting Clinton with the slave trade in Libya is CT nonsense.

Yes Wikipedia, it provides sources for everything it lays out in that article, much better than anything I could compile here.

22 refugee families from Syria is not “everyone”.

Mr. teddywinkles · 28-12-2018 1:20am

2019 wrote: »

These are people in desperate need of help. I welcome my government for letting them in. Forget about the politics of this situation and think about the human need. Their country has been devastated by war and its these people , the innocent that is suffering. It wasnt that to long ago us Irish needed help from the international community.

Explain. Howin a n name of fook that the wider world intervined

For Forks Sake · 28-12-2018 1:26am

anotherfinemess wrote: »

50 years ago there weren't that many non europeans in the UK. Now look at the ghetto culture in most cities there - do we want that for our next generation?

Immigration in the UK over the past 50 years is the trade-off from being a former colonial power. Absolutely unrelated to taking in a relatively small number of refugees from a warzone.

28-12-2018 1:40am

road_high wrote: »

The Irish in the USA or England worked their holes off in often menial roles- there was absolutely no welfare or state funded direct provision with everything provided plus some spending money courtesy of the host tax payer. You worked or starved.
We also had deep historical and social ties to these countries. Comparing our history of migration to present day refugee migration to Ireland is comparing apples and oranges

If these people are allowed to work, they will put alot of irish to shame!

road_high · 28-12-2018 1:41am

2019 wrote: »

If these people are allowed to work, they will put alot of irish to shame!

Sure...!

Richard Hillman · 28-12-2018 1:45am

McGiver wrote: »

Total bollocks. War is over - you mean Asad with the help of the Russians are near a total victory? Which left hundreds of thousands civilians dead, the country razed to the ground and totally destroyed - materially, politically, socially and economically. Millions internally displaced and millions fled the country.

Nobody sane will return to this country if Asad achieves total victory.

The country was in a decent state when Assad did have total control. There weren't many Syrian refugees floating about back then. I was even watching an episode of Top Gear the other day from 2010. Clarkson and Co whizzing around Raqqa, Aleppo, Damascus and Palmyra. Then a year or two later the Islamists tried to take over.

Syria needs a strong leader that can hold the game together. The chap is only 50, so he can rule over for another 20-30 years. He's the glue. Like Saddam and Gaddafi were.

ratracer · 28-12-2018 1:48am

Are any of them any good at soccer?

eagle eye · 28-12-2018 2:00am

Well forgive me for not caring about these people from war torn countries.

We need to fix our own country first. We need to house all our homeless and give our hardworking low and middle income earners a decent life.

Then we can look at being generous and helpful to those people but not until then.

StereoSound · 28-12-2018 2:07am

For years the rich gulf states, Dubai, Abu Dhabi etc refused to take the syrian refugees..... However only recently they decided to accept some of them over a 5 year plan. Why for so long did they refuse to take them? Arab nations refusing to help other arab nations sort of thing? It's amsuing isnt it?
With all those nutters running chaos in the middle east chopping peoples fckn heads off, the other arab countries don't want anything to do with it. They want nothing to do with eachother... So that is why the syrians ended up in europe over the past several years instead of in the hands of their wonderful welcoming neighbours. Persistant questioning from the UN twisted the UAE to take a U turn and start accepting some of the Syrians. It's only now that they are doing it.

Ronan|Raven · 28-12-2018 2:17am

mgn wrote: »

I see a lot of the welcoming type on here as usual.Bet there not from county that has become a dumping ground from them.

Are you a robot?

Ronan|Raven · 28-12-2018 2:19am

mgn wrote: »

Yes.And when we emigrated we earned what we got.No free houses and dole in my day anyways.

Were you actively being bombed when you emigrated and showed the world what a mighty paddy you are? Sure who would need the dole? Just stick an auld anti aa battery on the lawn.

Ronan|Raven · 28-12-2018 2:21am

eagle eye wrote: »

Well forgive me for not caring about these people from war torn countries.

We need to fix our own country first. We need to house all our homeless and give our hardworking low and middle income earners a decent life.

Then we can look at being generous and helpful to those people but not until then.

Shove a few homeless in your gaff you utter spoofer.

You spout the same old tired ****e here for years.

Try_harder · 28-12-2018 2:21am

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy wrote: »

22 Irish families are taken off the council list and given a forever home in Syria. Exchange programme.

I would gladly pax extra tax for this. Syrian family on my street - lovely

Forever home howyas- loud and obnoxious - and very work shy

eagle eye · 28-12-2018 2:26am

Ronan|Raven wrote:

Shove a few homeless in your gaff you utter spoofer.
You spout the same old tired ****e here for years.

You shouldn't post when you are drunk.

Ronan|Raven · 28-12-2018 2:28am

eagle eye wrote: »

You shouldn't post when you are drunk.

Haha. ðŸ˜€ Brave defender of middle ireland!

Captain Red Beard · 28-12-2018 2:43am

It's not even subtle any more the auld racism.

1800_Ladladlad · 28-12-2018 6:06am

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Seems to be the case here.

"[attempt to post virtue signalling cartoon]"

Whats with mods editing posts/threads if they dont agree with them. wow

s7ryf3925pivug · 28-12-2018 6:38am

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

[attempt to post virtue signaling cartoon]

Seems to be the case here.

Nope - the people looking for approval here the most are the ones saying ‘fnck the refugees’.

s7ryf3925pivug · 28-12-2018 6:47am

Dax Bald Sinker wrote: »

Have them live in your back yard then.

Say 22 families are 200 people.There are about 5 million people in Ireland. So that’s about one 25,000th of the population. So it should be -would you give up one 25000th of your back garden?

Personally yes I would. One 25,000th of my garden is about a square foot. I already surrendered that much space for a phone pole. Didn’t bother me at all.

s7ryf3925pivug · 28-12-2018 6:52am

StereoSound wrote: »

For years the rich gulf states, Dubai, Abu Dhabi etc refused to take the syrian refugees..... However only recently they decided to accept some of them over a 5 year plan. Why for so long did they refuse to take them? Arab nations refusing to help other arab nations sort of thing? It's amsuing isnt it?
With all those nutters running chaos in the middle east chopping peoples fckn heads off, the other arab countries don't want anything to do with it. They want nothing to do with eachother... So that is why the syrians ended up in europe over the past several years instead of in the hands of their wonderful welcoming neighbours. Persistant questioning from the UN twisted the UAE to take a U turn and start accepting some of the Syrians. It's only now that they are doing it.

Dubai and Abu Dhabi are cities, not states.

Nobody in their right mind refers to the UAE as where the bar for ethical behavior should be.

old_aussie · 28-12-2018 7:54am

They should be on their way back to Syria now, Donny is pulling the troops out.

whisky_galore · 28-12-2018 9:13am

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

This tired old argument again...

The Irish who went out, went out to work or they starved. No welfare state to support them in those days

It was also a very different era, when illiterate but good at manual labour lads and girls could find work to support themselves. This isn't the case anymore in a country that is hugely dependent on the service/knowledge economy, and I think we've reached saturation point for coffee shops at this stage.

No one has any issue with genuine refugees (as I defined above), but those are the minority of those flooding Europe in the last few years. It's those welfare tourists and economic migrants that offer nothing except a further drain on already stretched and insufficient resources that people have an issue with.

Hope that helps.

Were the "undocumented" *cough, cough* Irish in danger of starving?

mgn · 28-12-2018 9:36am

Ronan|Raven wrote: »

Were you actively being bombed when you emigrated and showed the world what a mighty paddy you are? Sure who would need the dole? Just stick an auld anti aa battery on the lawn.

As a matter of fact London was bombed on a regular basis while i was there.
Are you English by the way with the term mighty Paddy. And yes i did work hard and proud of that fact.

Try_harder · 28-12-2018 10:29am

Dumping ground- such a loaded phrase! Ireland is not a dumping ground for anything

Ireland always had social housing huge projects in the 60s

Try_harder · 28-12-2018 10:29am

mgn wrote: »

As a matter of fact London was bombed on a regular basis while i was there.
Are you English by the way with the term mighty Paddy. And yes i did work hard and proud of that fact.

As regularly as Syria? Doubt that

McGiver · 28-12-2018 11:25am

Sweetemotion wrote:

Assad never killed anyone via chemical weapons. Those refugees probably voted for him. I'm pretty sure they're glad Hilary didn't win other wise they would be sold as slaves instead of being relocated.

Tin foil hats on. Did you get that from Russia Today?

McGiver · 28-12-2018 11:30am

StereoSound wrote:

For years the rich gulf states, Dubai, Abu Dhabi etc refused to take the syrian refugees..... However only recently they decided to accept some of them over a 5 year plan. Why for so long did they refuse to take them? Arab nations refusing to help other arab nations sort of thing? It's amsuing isnt it? With all those nutters running chaos in the middle east chopping peoples fckn heads off, the other arab countries don't want anything to do with it. They want nothing to do with eachother... So that is why the syrians ended up in europe over the past several years instead of in the hands of their wonderful welcoming neighbours. Persistant questioning from the UN twisted the UAE to take a U turn and start accepting some of the Syrians. It's only now that they are doing it.

Fair enough re Gulf States, I agree it's despicable. They are very racist by the way, an Arab is not Arab, the gulf ones are superior apparently.

Nevertheless, let's not forget Lebanon and Jordan (Arab countries) took the millions from Syria, and Turkey (non Arab country) as well.

suicide_circus · 28-12-2018 11:38am

Ive no problem with displaced people from war torn Syria being transported from refugee camps and given safe haven in Ireland. It's the right thing to do.

On the other hand, the substantial flow of people we saw (mysteriously coinciding with the Celtic tiger) from West Africa through one or more safe countries having paid their own airfares on the way to Ireland and applying for asylum....yeah. No.

Sonics2k · 28-12-2018 11:52am

old_aussie wrote: »

They should be on their way back to Syria now, Donny is pulling the troops out.

Fun fact, George Bush Jnr gave his infamous 'Mission Accomplished' speech back in 2003. 15 years later that war is still going on.

Just because an army pulls out of a country, doesn't mean the war has ended.

mgn · 28-12-2018 12:08pm

Try_harder wrote: »

Dumping ground- such a loaded phrase! Ireland is not a dumping ground for anything

Ireland always had social housing huge projects in the 60s

Where do you live?.You got one syrian family living on your street and you think the are great.Get 10 families on that street and come back here in 10 years time and tell us where your living.You haven't got a clue.

jmreire · 28-12-2018 12:36pm

old_aussie wrote: »

They should be on their way back to Syria now, Donny is pulling the troops out.

And Donny pulling out is the main the reason that they will not want to go back.....

Potatoeman · 28-12-2018 12:37pm

The money used to support and house these families would go further in a neighboring country and there wouldn’t such a big cultural shift for them. It’s not really about helping as many people as you can it’s about virtue signaling and being seen to do something.

How Soon Is Now · 28-12-2018 12:39pm

**** Syria.

Were great at looking after every problem but our own in this country.

road_high · 28-12-2018 12:44pm

Potatoeman wrote: »

The money used to support and house these families would go further in a neighboring country and there wouldn’t such a big cultural shift for them. It’s not really about helping as many people as you can it’s about virtue signaling and being seen to do something.

Amazing how they don’t want to go to their much closer in every way arab brethren isn’t it? The likes of Saudi Arabia etc are infinitely wealthier than little old obscurely located Ireland and the rest of Europe. Yet we are the turnips that are supposed to take them in? No wonder there’s uproar all over the continent

Graces7 · 28-12-2018 12:46pm

ratracer wrote: »

Are any of them any good at soccer?

As these are families with children, probably yes.

Maybe read the full news article?

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/1227/1019182-syria-refugees/

jmreire · 28-12-2018 12:47pm

mgn wrote: »

As a matter of fact London was bombed on a regular basis while i was there.
Are you English by the way with the term mighty Paddy. And yes i did work hard and proud of that fact.

In all the bombing that was carried out during "The Troubles", here in Ireland and in Britain, would not equate 1 month ( and maybe a lot less ) than what was carried out in Syria.Just check out the statistics on google, how many killed, injured and displaced since the war started in 2011....and it's still going on, if not quite to the same extent. The majority of Syrians now basically want peace and some kind of life after 7 years of war.

StereoSound · 28-12-2018 12:47pm

Over the years Ireland has been taking in refugees, how have they contributed to society ? Realistically what are the pros and cons of them coming here ? One thing is probably for sure, they will be claiming benefits for years and years to come because of this reason and that, maybe poor english stopping them from getting a job or other social reasons. This is a given really due to the idea that they are thrown into a country that they don't yet understand.

jmreire · 28-12-2018 12:48pm

Graces7 wrote: »

As these are families with children, probably yes.

Maybe read the full news article?

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/1227/1019182-syria-refugees/

They are as soccer mad as any other Country.;)

road_high · 28-12-2018 12:50pm

StereoSound wrote: »

Over the years Ireland has been taking in refugees, how have they contributed to society ? Realistically what are the pros and cons of them coming here ? One thing is probably for sure, they will be claiming benefits for years and years to come because of this reason and that, maybe poor english stopping them from getting a job or other social reasons. This is a given really due to the idea that they are thrown into a country that they don't yet understand.

According to the virtue signalers they add an amazing diversity of culture- none of which is in anyway quantifiable but it makes them feel wonderful and morally superior which is the main thing

jmreire · 28-12-2018 12:51pm

StereoSound wrote: »

Over the years Ireland has been taking in refugees, how have they contributed to society ? Realistically what are the pros and cons of them coming here ? One thing is probably for sure, they will be claiming benefits for years and years to come because of this reason and that, maybe poor english stopping them from getting a job or other social reasons. This is a given really due to the idea that they are thrown into a country that they don't yet understand.

The Syrians are a very friendly hospitable people, and very quick to learn and adapt. I am sure that out of all the different Countries we have taken refugees from, Syrians would be the nearest thing to being "IRISH" that you will find.

nice_guy80 · 28-12-2018 12:53pm

I bet they will be less of a leech on the system than many of our own Irish living on long term welfare

How Soon Is Now · 28-12-2018 12:53pm

jmreire wrote: »

The Syrians are a very friendly hospitable people, and very quick to learn and adapt. I am sure that out of all the different Countries we have taken refugees from, Syrians would be the nearest thing to being "IRISH" that you will find.

Ya they love the crack those Syrians.

Shakey_jake · 28-12-2018 1:23pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

I bet they will be less of a leech on the system than many of our own Irish living on long term welfare

I hate this attitude, the stupid lazy irish and all that!

What makes you so sure theyll be hard work law abiding citizens? We dont even know who they are

Deebles McBeebles · 28-12-2018 1:29pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

I bet they will be less of a leech on the system than many of our own Irish living on long term welfare

Bookies would never give you odds on that. They see what comes through their doors every day.

Shakey_jake wrote: »

I hate this attitude, the stupid lazy irish and all that!

What makes you so sure theyll be hard work law abiding citizens? We dont even know who they are

We do have our fair share.

That second paragraph is a bit Trump-y. They could be rapists!

Graces7 · 28-12-2018 1:39pm

Telling that as far as I have read, no one seems to care about the numbers of very vulnerable children in these refugee families.

Children who have seen and endured things no child should ever be exposed to. Who are coming to a green and quiet land for peace.

Let them come, as we welcome the Chernobyl children . Give them space to heal and grow in a good place and they will show us so much

22 syrian families arrive in ireland, then what?

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