Yellow vest movement ireland

Guy:Incognito · 13-12-2018 2:40pm

John Sacrimoni wrote: »

Nothing will change unless you take the French approach. It needs to be proper civil unrest. They need to fear us.

Yeah. Business owners will no doubt thank you for smashing their shop and stealing their stock. Sure people living in towns don't need cars anyway, you're doing them a favour by burning them for them.

johndeere3350 · 13-12-2018 2:43pm

noodler wrote: »

I'd say five years in a row of tax cuts and massive expenditure increases probably negates some of the cause for such a protest.

Not to mention regular min wage increases.

Obv, massive housing and health issues but money doesn't appear to be the limiting factor there.

Only ones that benefitted from the last 5 budgets were the unemployed

gozunda · 13-12-2018 2:45pm

Geuze wrote: »

Direct taxes are higher in France than in Ireland.

For a proper comparison add all other additional taxation and the absolute dearth of matching public services and our system is indeed punitive for those that work.

orourkeda1977 · 13-12-2018 2:45pm

You mean you have to use your licence during a sweaty dogging session

Pretzeluck · 13-12-2018 2:47pm

Lux23 wrote: »

How hard is it really to carry your licence in your pocket or bag? The things people get upset about is astounding to me sometimes.

You have never forgotten and you are 100% sure that you will never ever in your life will forget? What a joke.

AbdulAbhaile · 13-12-2018 2:48pm

John Sacrimoni wrote: »

Nothing will change unless you take the French approach. It needs to be proper civil unrest. They need to fear us.

The water protests were fairly effective without breaking the place up or burning it down.

John Sacrimoni · 13-12-2018 2:49pm

AbdulAbhaile wrote: »

The water protests were fairly effective without breaking the place up or burning it down.

Effective in delaying the inevitable.

noodler · 13-12-2018 2:50pm

johndeere3350 wrote: »

Only ones that benefitted from the last 5 budgets were the unemployed

Tax cuts.

Pension increases.

Health and housing record increases.

There's quite a bit above and beyond the fiver increases for unemployed.

johndeere3350 · 13-12-2018 2:52pm

noodler wrote: »

Tax cuts.

Pension increases.

Health and housing record increases.

There's quite a bit above and beyond the fiver increases for unemployed.

Cost of living

blanch152 · 13-12-2018 2:52pm

johndeere3350 wrote: »

Theres various other items I started out with as I said just a collection of things I see on social media.
I did point out the one that annoys me is the tax on fuel.
Its up to the individuals posting if they want to single out one thing or add other things

The tax on fuel annoys me too. It is far too low and should be doubled to help us meet our climate change targets.

johndeere3350 · 13-12-2018 2:53pm

blanch152 wrote: »

The tax on fuel annoys me too. It is far too low and should be doubled to help us meet our climate change targets.

Clearly your a cyclist

Pretzeluck · 13-12-2018 2:53pm

blanch152 wrote: »

The tax on fuel annoys me too. It is far too low and should be doubled to help us meet our climate change targets.

Doubled is not enough, need 500% increase to notice any meaningful difference.

John Sacrimoni · 13-12-2018 2:53pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Yeah. Business owners will no doubt thank you for smashing their shop and stealing their stock. Sure people living in towns don't need cars anyway, you're doing them a favour by burning them for them.

id never condone that.
In an ideal world none of that would not happen. Even with 99% of protestors with good intentions the 1% of bogeys would still spoil it.

Government buildings would be legitimate targets. Id like to see them try stop 50,000 people heading through them dail gates.

This is all hypothetical anyway, i dont think we are anywhere near a point where any of that would be warranted.

JohnMc1 · 13-12-2018 2:53pm

johndeere3350 wrote: »

I wonder is it time something like this happens here.
Personally the fuel tax here bothers me the most.
It seems the young working class have no hope of getting on the property ladder.
The latest brainwave by Shane Ross seems to have pissed off alot of people.
These measures would be all well and good if we had a top class road network around the country if our motor tax wasn't outrageous.
Some people could drive five or six different vehicles everyday I can imagine how many licences will be lost or misplaced.
The hospital and bed situation is absolutely dire.
Discuss

It will have to kick off in Ireland at some point. Especially after last night when Fianna Fail [the so called opposition] refused to call for a General Election until 2020 [watch this time next year they'll find a reason to push it back to the mandatory 2021 date]

10,000 Homeless Irish [3,000 of which are children] a Hospital bed shortage, 250+ Billion in debt [50 Billion of which is due in a few years] and Varadkar just committed to UN pacts that opens our borders [they can throw out the "non binding" term all they want but anyone with sense knows they'll hold us to the exact word on these agreements [even with the old passive aggressive "It would be in your best interest to follow it. spiel]

This Govt should have been thrown out over the Summer. Now they have another year to make the Country even worse.

Geuze · 13-12-2018 2:54pm

johndeere3350 wrote: »

Theres nearly a 70% tax on fuel here if you think that should be increased you are nuts

47.9 cent per litre of diesel.

https://www.revenue.ie/en/companies-and-charities/excise-and-licences/excise-duty-rates/mineral-oil-tax.aspx

That's 35.77% of the 133.9 I paid for diesel this morning.

DS86DS · 13-12-2018 2:55pm

johndeere3350 wrote: »

I wonder is it time something like this happens here.
Personally the fuel tax here bothers me the most.
It seems the young working class have no hope of getting on the property ladder.
The latest brainwave by Shane Ross seems to have pissed off alot of people.
These measures would be all well and good if we had a top class road network around the country if our motor tax wasn't outrageous.
Some people could drive five or six different vehicles everyday I can imagine how many licences will be lost or misplaced.
The hospital and bed situation is absolutely dire.
Discuss

It can't come soon enough. And the Yellow Vest Movement is as much about putting nationalism and national self-, determination back into the political debate as it is about taxes.

The average French person is and rightfully so fed up with the One World Globalism of the anti-nation EU and it's insistence on turning every nation in Europe, including France into the Middle East for some pathetic reason and wants to restore the birthright their ancestors fought and died for.

Macron, like Leo has absolute disdain for his native country.....and the less French people in France the better for him and the less French that France becomes all the better.

Also what a joy.....only recently did Macron try to humiliate Donald Trump with his nonsense speech about "post-nationalism"........

....only for within days his own people to rise up in Revolution against him and his arrogance.

Woke Hogan · 13-12-2018 2:55pm

johndeere3350 wrote: »

Clearly your a cyclist

Clearly you eat in your car.

blanch152 · 13-12-2018 2:55pm

johndeere3350 wrote: »

Clearly your a cyclist

No I'm not, just a regular car driver.

Other measures haven't worked to reduce our carbon emissions, so doubling fuel tax is a serious option that should be pursued.

Dyr · 13-12-2018 2:57pm

We'll call them the Breakfast Rolls in Ireland.

JohnMc1 · 13-12-2018 2:58pm

John Sacrimoni wrote: »

As bad as rioting is, i think without it Macron wouldnt have caved into the protestors demands. It can still be done without targetting ordinary joe soaps vehicles. Specific targets.

The defacing of the monuments was disgusting but we know who was behind that.

How did he cave? An extra €25 a week that will be just be gone just as fast as it went in. "We need a discussion on immigration" while not calling for halts to immigration and mass deportations and all the while being in Morocco to sign the UN pacts that permanently open the borders.

He didn't cave. He gave them lip service. This weekend should be interesting. Especially after the latest attack.

Geuze · 13-12-2018 2:58pm

johndeere3350 wrote: »

Theres nearly a 70% tax on fuel here if you think that should be increased you are nuts

To reduce car usage, we should tax car usage, not car ownership.

Cut VRT.

Increase fuel duty.

Introduce congestion charges in cities.

whippet · 13-12-2018 2:58pm

yellow vests in ireland will just be the usual rag tag group of the permanently outraged classes.

I can see Ben Gilroy already on social media giving it a big plug - so that should tell you a lot about what it's about.

gozunda · 13-12-2018 2:58pm

blanch152 wrote: »

No I'm not, just a regular car driver.

Other measures haven't worked to reduce our carbon emissions, so doubling fuel tax is a serious option that should be pursued.

I think a serious look at how those emissions are being calculated would be a better exercise tbh ...

Geuze · 13-12-2018 2:59pm

johndeere3350 wrote: »

Theres nearly a 70% tax on fuel here if you think that should be increased you are nuts

8. Excise rates on both petrol and diesel have remained constant since 2012.

The rate on a litre of petrol is 58.7c, including a 4.6c carbon charge, while the rate on a litre of diesel is 47.9c, including a 5.3c carbon charge.

The rate in Ireland on petrol is the 12th highest in the EU while diesel is the 10th highest.

The applicable excise rates for all Member States are contained in Appendix II.

https://www.finance.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/TSG-18-07-Environmental-Taxes-Paper-GK.pdf

John Sacrimoni · 13-12-2018 3:00pm

JohnMc1 wrote: »

How did he cave? An extra €25 a week that will be just be gone just as fast as it went in. "We need a discussion on immigration" while not calling for halts to immigration and mass deportations and all the while being in Morocco to sign the UN pacts that permanently open the borders.

He didn't cave. He gave them lip service. This weekend should be interesting. Especially after the latest attack.

He didnt cave fully, but he showed weakness. Protestors have the bit between their teeth now they wont be stopping.

Woke Hogan · 13-12-2018 3:05pm

blanch152 wrote: »

No I'm not, just a regular car driver.

Other measures haven't worked to reduce our carbon emissions, so doubling fuel tax is a serious option that should be pursued.

Don't bother. The posters in this forum are either climate change deniers or complicit in the genocide of the human race because they think every single individual has some sort of divine entitlement to a mechanised palanquin.

The planet is dying because of the attitude of most of the posters on this forum: "I'm alright jack and I want to condemn my grandchildren to a climatial Holocaust because I don't like the radio station they play on the bus."

neris · 13-12-2018 3:06pm

Its going to take a bit more then writing on monuments and burning cars to get change while the police are knocking the crap out of you with batons.

Pretzeluck · 13-12-2018 3:07pm

Woke Hogan wrote: »

Don't bother. The posters in this forum are either climate change deniers or complicit in the genocide of the human race because they think every single individual has some sort of divine entitlement to a mechanised palanquin.

The planet is dying because of the attitude of most of the posters on this forum: "I'm alright jack and I want to condemn my grandchildren to a climatial Holocaust because I don't like the radio station they play on the bus."

Don't know what you're talking about, breeding is the main cause of genocide of absolutely everything. I'll put it simply.
More humans = more need for resources = more factories and production to meet demand = more destruction of nature and everything as more oil needs to be extracted and more forests cut down and more land farmed for increased food production. Breed breed breed until nothing is left

johndeere3350 · 13-12-2018 3:09pm

blanch152 wrote: »

No I'm not, just a regular car driver.

Other measures haven't worked to reduce our carbon emissions, so doubling fuel tax is a serious option that should be pursued.

What's the alternative electric?
Lithium mining isn't very good for the environment.
I'm all for a cleaner way of moving about but to cripple people using fuel to the point where its not viable isn't the answer because there's no decent alternative being provided

johndeere3350 · 13-12-2018 3:11pm

Woke Hogan wrote: »

Don't bother. The posters in this forum are either climate change deniers or complicit in the genocide of the human race because they think every single individual has some sort of divine entitlement to a mechanised palanquin.

The planet is dying because of the attitude of most of the posters on this forum: "I'm alright jack and I want to condemn my grandchildren to a climatial Holocaust because I don't like the radio station they play on the bus."

What animal ate your breakfast this morning

CrankyHaus · 13-12-2018 3:12pm

John Sacrimoni wrote: »

He didnt cave fully, but he showed weakness. Protestors have the bit between their teeth now they wont be stopping.

Without a cohesive organisation they'll lose steam, so Macron is playing the waiting game. Give it three to six months and they'll have cheesed off enough people that the Gendarmerie can roll in and give them a hiding, by which time all but the most dedicated protestors will have moved on to something else.

For precedent just look at Occupy Wall Street or the 2011 protests on Egypt: well intentioned, diverse, organised online. They were effective at protesting but totally ineffective at implementing an alternative, which is why occupy faded away to leave the protest vote for Trump to exploit and the well organised Muslim Brotherhood picked up the baton in Egypt. In fact many Tahrir Square activists came to support the military coup to protect them from islamists.

Maybe the Gilets Jaunes will result in a cohesive movement with shared aims, but at the moment all the evidence is that it won't.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 13-12-2018 3:14pm

The Tetrarch wrote: »

The French like a riot.
The Irish like to moan.

Yes. And it’s cold and windy Saturday.

We’ll have a yellow vest demonstration here instead.

professore · 13-12-2018 3:14pm

johndeere3350 wrote: »

Digital form of your licence on the computer including a picture

How do the gardai search for this digital form of a licence when they stop you?

professore · 13-12-2018 3:16pm

Woke Hogan wrote: »

Don't bother. The posters in this forum are either climate change deniers or complicit in the genocide of the human race because they think every single individual has some sort of divine entitlement to a mechanised palanquin.

The planet is dying because of the attitude of most of the posters on this forum: "I'm alright jack and I want to condemn my grandchildren to a climatial Holocaust because I don't like the radio station they play on the bus."

If I knew what a palanquin was I might agree with you. As it stands a good auld daysul will do the job.

blanch152 · 13-12-2018 3:16pm

Geuze wrote: »

8. Excise rates on both petrol and diesel have remained constant since 2012.

The rate on a litre of petrol is 58.7c, including a 4.6c carbon charge, while the rate on a litre of diesel is 47.9c, including a 5.3c carbon charge.

The rate in Ireland on petrol is the 12th highest in the EU while diesel is the 10th highest.

The applicable excise rates for all Member States are contained in Appendix II.

https://www.finance.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/TSG-18-07-Environmental-Taxes-Paper-GK.pdf

Given our failure to reduce emissions, we should be No. 1 in that list with the highest excise duty rate.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 13-12-2018 3:16pm

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Without a cohesive organisation they'll lose steam, so Macron is playing the waiting game. Give it three to six months and they'll have cheesed off enough people that the Gendarmerie can roll in and give them a hiding, by which time all but the most dedicated protestors will have moved on to something else.

For precedent just look at Occupy Wall Street or the 2011 protests on Egypt: well intentioned, diverse, organised online. They were effective at protesting but totally ineffective at implementing an alternative, which is why occupy faded away to leave the protest vote for Trump to exploit and the well organised Muslim Brotherhood picked up the baton in Egypt. In fact many Tahrir Square activists came to support the military coup to protect them from islamists.

Maybe the Gilets Jaunes will result in a cohesive movement with shared aims, but at the moment all the evidence is that it won't.

It’s far too diverse to be coherent - no doubt about that. However the underlying issues are going to be there for generations.

mammajamma · 13-12-2018 3:17pm

Woke Hogan wrote: »

Don't bother. The posters in this forum are either climate change deniers or complicit in the genocide of the human race because they think every single individual has some sort of divine entitlement to a mechanised palanquin.

The planet is dying because of the attitude of most of the posters on this forum: "I'm alright jack and I want to condemn my grandchildren to a climatial Holocaust because I don't like the radio station they play on the bus."

The fuel tax in France was just the straw that broke the camels back for a lot of French people. It could easily have been a plastic tax, a housing tax, an onion tax that tipped it over the edge

The reaction is not indicative of peoples attitude to climate problems, rather an outcry against "everything".

There are just so many things going wrong in Europe that climate change is one problem amongst hundreds. Yes, it obviously has greater long-term impact, but I have the inclination that the world is has accepted it and is instead engaged in a "who'll be the last man standing" competition.

The American government, basically, pulled out of climate agreements because it gave the likes of china way too much advantage. I can agree with that stance. Why should an irish person be fretting over separating bins when they know that India is a cesspool of filth comparatively?

Either this is all equal, no concessions for being late to the party as a developed country, or else this isn't going anywhere.

Anyway, good times ahead!

nthclare · 13-12-2018 3:17pm

Pretzeluck wrote: »

Don't know what you're talking about, breeding is the main cause of genocide of absolutely everything. I'll put it simply.
More humans = more need for resources = more factories and production to meet demand = more destruction of nature and everything as more oil needs to be extracted and more forests cut down and more land farmed for increased food production. Breed breed breed until nothing is left

There's an Irish philosopher called John Moriarty who had a lecture called "Prometheus and the dolphin"
It's on YouTube...

He went along the lines of humanity being like a virus in the earth.....

It's on YouTube search for, John Moriarty Prometheus and the dolphin.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 13-12-2018 3:21pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Given our failure to reduce emissions, we should be No. 1 in that list with the highest excise duty rate.

Are emissions because we are all driving more per capita or population increases?

That kind of tax either doesn’t change behaviour or it’s so strong that it’s rejected.

Green technologies are the way forward. I’m not sure why the EU isn’t trying to finance green technology as a way out of the semi permanent slowdown.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 13-12-2018 3:23pm

nthclare wrote: »

There's an Irish philosopher called John Moriarty who had a lecture called "Prometheus and the dolphin"
It's on YouTube...

He went along the lines of humanity being like a virus in the earth.....

It's on YouTube search for, John Moriarty Prometheus and the dolphin.

Humanity can’t kill the earth, in fact there’s no long term steady state for the earth.

(Unless we blow it up, perhaps).

mad muffin · 13-12-2018 3:24pm

ITS TIME TO CRUSH THE BOURGEOISE!!!

CrankyHaus · 13-12-2018 3:30pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Green technologies are the way forward. I’m not sure why the EU isn’t trying to finance green technology as a way out of the semi permanent slowdown.

The important position of auto companies is one answer. Recent growth slowdowns in the eurozone have been attributed to car companies having to meet the new "stricter" emissions rules, which gives you some idea of their scale. European emissions standards were structured and applied in a diesel friendly way which gave them a dominant advantage over foreigners, which gives you some idea of their influence. They bet the house on diesel while competitors abroad outstripped them in hybrid, electric and even hydrogen technology. Green technology policies (now that we can no longer pretend diesels are green) would screw them further and their influence means that cannot happen.

Ray Palmer · 13-12-2018 3:32pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Are emissions because we are all driving more per capita or population increases?

It is obviously driving more and not population increase. When I was a child only one car per household and many with none. Many grandparents didn't have cars now they do. Many households now have over 2 cars now. Then they use them for very small journeys because they have paid for them.

mikhail · 13-12-2018 3:40pm

johndeere3350 wrote: »

The latest brainwave by Shane Ross seems to have pissed off alot of people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC3W1BiUjp0

DS86DS · 13-12-2018 3:53pm

whippet wrote: »

yellow vests in ireland will just be the usual rag tag group of the permanently outraged classes.

I can see Ben Gilroy already on social media giving it a big plug - so that should tell you a lot about what it's about.

What a load of crap. The "permanently outraged classes".....the smug, arrogant and elitist left that run Ireland today like every other country in Western Europe...............are the ones that find the most ridiculous things to be outrsged by, including for anybody DARING to have an opinion on the EU or immigration differing from there's.

Europe is in revolt against the One World Creed of the EU and UN. And for good reason......... people no longer feel at home in the lands that hundreds of generations of their ancestors handed to them.

People are having their communities go through violent change in the space of mere years..........and are afraid for the future of their children and grandchildren.

How dare you in your haughty leftist smugness just sssume that the Yellow Vest Movement is full of riff raff.

If anything, they are better educated on the current state of the world than elitist ivory tower ledtiets......who don't even live in the areas subject to such violent change.

While the snivelling and privileged leftists continue to pontificate from s moral high ground about subjects they know next to nothing about.....

.......the ordinary people of Europe and the USA are in revolt.

2018 is the new 1789 and 1848.

sjb25 · 13-12-2018 3:56pm

The Tetrarch wrote: »

The French like a riot.
The Irish like to moan.

Exactly..... a protest is it ah no sure ‘‘tis to cold for that and sure match is on the Telly that day and I’m out for a few pints and anyway sure wouldn’t do anything the baxstards wouldn’t listen to us

CucaFace · 13-12-2018 4:01pm

Its the French love for protesting and general mayhem when they don't like something has caused their economy to be in the poor state it is today. So many young French people have to move here now to have any chance of finding their first jobs in life , can you imagine if you were told this by someone 25/30 years ago that the French would be immigrating to Ireland...

So you honestly think its smart to actually copy the French???

By the way you can take it we have no hope of ever tackling climate change now, based on the reaction in France to higher taxes on fuel and the way their Government quickly caved into their demands.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 13-12-2018 4:04pm

CrankyHaus wrote: »

The important position of auto companies is one answer. Recent growth slowdowns in the eurozone have been attributed to car companies having to meet the new "stricter" emissions rules, which gives you some idea of their scale. European emissions standards were structured and applied in a diesel friendly way which gave them a dominant advantage over foreigners, which gives you some idea of their influence. They bet the house on diesel while competitors abroad outstripped them in hybrid, electric and even hydrogen technology. Green technology policies (now that we can no longer pretend diesels are green) would screw them further and their influence means that cannot happen.

Ok but the ECB can print money. Diverting money to banks that are specialist in funding green technologies might be a good idea.

whisky_galore · 13-12-2018 4:04pm

Pretzeluck wrote: »

Doubled is not enough, need 500% increase to notice any meaningful difference.

Why should ordinary people be slapped around without providing any alternatives? Thank fook you're not in charge of anything.

Wheeliebin30 · 13-12-2018 4:05pm

The fact is Irish people know they have it better than 95% of the worlds population deep down.

Yellow vest movement ireland

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