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Donald Trump is the President Mark IV (Read Mod Warning in OP)

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    #5942
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,724 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    Those that do are being seen for the backwards, racist, misogynistic pieces of garbage humans they are. Republicans have no principles. They use to be about states rights and fiscal conservatism. Now they support massive debt and the erosion of state powers in favour of federal, all so a Trump pardon can protect them when they are inevitably linked with some crime in the future.


    The rest of your post just reads like your usual copy/paste nonsense propoganda.

    There isn't two republicans being born to replace the Dems. It's nonsense


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    #5943
    Midlife
    Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭Midlife


    Hilariously, no-one actually gives a **** about Kavanaugh. He's just the embodiment of the struggle both sides are engaged in.

    The Republicians are celebrating because in a two horse race, they actually got the Republicans to vote together - amazing, what a performance.

    Democrats are saying it's an outrage that the Republicians are voting together. What an outrage!

    The media is weaponised. There is no middle ground.

    In short the country is ****ed.

    Regardless of who wins the next elections, It's very hard to see a way forward for the states as a functional democracy after these last couple of years.


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    #5944
    RIGOLO
    Site Banned Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭RIGOLO


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    RIGOLO wrote: »
    For every grass root Democrat coming out of he woord owrk, theres 2 republicans coming out.


    Those that do are being seen for the backwards, racist, misogynistic pieces of garbage humans they are. Republicans have no principles. They use to be about states rights and fiscal conservatism. Now they support massive debt and the erosion of state powers in favour of federal, all so a Trump pardon can protect them when they are inevitably linked with some crime in the future.


    The rest of your post just reads like your usual copy/paste nonsense propoganda.

    Thats an interesting way to describe the 53% of American white women who voted for Donald Trump.  
    Like I said the totalitarian liberal left vitriol is on full display in recent weeks. 

    Spent the morning watching videos from various groups oppossing Kavanaguh. Mostly womens groups and womens speakers.   All from the last 2 days, giving their speeches and voicing their concerns in the Senate building and outside the Supreme Court. 
    Very interesting , I always listen to both sides. Ive always thought one has to understand your opponents viewpoint and message and the only way to do that nowadays is spend time listening to what ever formats available. 
    one nice quote ... Tomorrow (as in today) the Senate Votes, November 6th the People vote.... 
    I like that , give the people a choice and let the people decide. November is going to be a RED surprise. 

    And the woman in the video from yesterday who accosted Collins as she came out of her office, in the video doing hte rounds you can hear her say to Collins " Im sorry I spooked you this morning " 
    She explained her actions to her fellow protestors in one other video I watched, said she she was a Maine constituent come to DC to protest, she camped outside Collins house in DC overnight, waited until the lights came on in the morning and then went to bring her coffee, which completely freaked Collins out. 
    So she stepped back and gave her some space. And hence thats the reason she approached later in the day to apologise. 

    Fair play for apologising, but I dont think that sort of action will get you any votes .


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    #5945
    Rhineshark
    Registered Users Posts: 632 ✭✭✭Rhineshark


    Midlife wrote: »
    Hilariously, no-one actually gives a **** about Kavanaugh. He's just the embodiment of the struggle both sides are engaged in.

    The Republicians are celebrating because in a two horse race, they actually got the Republicans to vote together - amazing, what a performance.

    Democrats are saying it's an outrage that the Republicians are voting together. What an outrage!

    The media is weaponised. There is no middle ground.

    In short the country is ****ed.

    Regardless of who wins the next elections, It's very hard to see a way forward for the states as a functional democracy after these last couple of years.

    No they're not. They are saying it is an outrage that republicans are happy, as a group and en masse, to confirm a perjurer, and a man with multiple - yes, credible AND corroborated; the GOP have done a wonderful job ensuring that those words means nothing - allegations of sexual assault against him to one of the most powerful seats in the land. And that they will accept an FBI barely-investigation that did it's damnedest to not find anything.

    Which is both perfectly reasonable and absolutely not what you said.

    By the way, you not giving a damn about Kavanaugh does not equal nobody giving said damn. Yes, he represents a lot more. But it is still, essentially, him, his conduct and his appropriateness to be on the court in question before getting to the wider meanings.


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    #5946
    rossie1977
    Registered Users Posts: 11,342 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    The irony of a Trump fan calling the opposition totalitarian when Trump and his followers decry scientific research, the mass media (who doesn't publicly praise them), the court system (who don't vote in their favour), has placed a travel ban on a specific religion, has numerous fascistic tendencies while praising dictatorial leaders of the past and present.


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    #5947
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    RIGOLO wrote: »
    Thats an interesting way to describe the 53% of American white women who voted for Donald Trump.


    Accurate none the less.

    RIGOLO wrote: »
    Like I said the totalitarian liberal left vitriol is on full display in recent weeks.


    And yet still nowhere near as totalitarian and vitriolic as Trump and his party. You know? That guy who mocks sexual assault victims, veterans and disabled people tot he cheers of his people? You have a funny standard for what you call vitriolic. Sounds like you are just a bit worried that dems are starting to play by the same rules the gop has for a long time now.


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    #5948
    MightyMandarin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,723 ✭✭✭MightyMandarin


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    So to clarify again, there is nothing to indicate the two women who confronted Flake in the elevator were paid. You keep trying to equate the organiser of the protest with the assault victims taking part.

    You're clutching at absolute straws here. It says 'her team', they're clearly part of her campaign/lobby group which pays her a full-time salary. They might also be paid full-time, part-time or not at all (I haven't researched because it's not even worth the time) but the point is that they're part of the same stupid rent-a-crowd indicative of what's wrong with politics in 2018.


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    #5949
    VonZan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭VonZan


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    Those that do are being seen for the backwards, racist, misogynistic pieces of garbage humans they are. Republicans have no principles. They use to be about states rights and fiscal conservatism. Now they support massive debt and the erosion of state powers in favour of federal, all so a Trump pardon can protect them when they are inevitably linked with some crime in the future.


    The rest of your post just reads like your usual copy/paste nonsense propoganda.

    So if you're a Republican; you're a racist, a misogynist and a piece of garbage?

    It's incredible and incredibly stupid to that you think you can pass judgement over half the population of the US and generalise them.


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    #5950
    Rhineshark
    Registered Users Posts: 632 ✭✭✭Rhineshark


    MightyMandarin wrote: »
    You're clutching at absolute straws here. It says 'her team', they're clearly part of her campaign/lobby group which pays her a full-time salary. They might also be paid full-time, part-time or not at all (I haven't researched because it's not even worth the time) but the point is that they're part of the same stupid rent-a-crowd indicative of what's wrong with politics in 2018.

    So, because protests are organised (it is a bit daft just having people show up anywhere randomly), anyone at a protest is paid (dammit, where is my paycheck for protesting?) And therefore the women who confronted Flake were obviously paid actors because that makes a hell of a lot more sense than women being angry at being sexually assaulted.

    Because sure, why would any woman have an issue with being sexually assaulted and seeing a man accused of it being elevated to the Supreme Court with (at the time) no investigation (and then a whitewash but hey). That would be silly.

    That you're saying anyone else is clutching at straws is risible.


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    #5951
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Christy42


    VonZan wrote: »
    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    Those that do are being seen for the backwards, racist, misogynistic pieces of garbage humans they are. Republicans have no principles. They use to be about states rights and fiscal conservatism. Now they support massive debt and the erosion of state powers in favour of federal, all so a Trump pardon can protect them when they are inevitably linked with some crime in the future.


    The rest of your post just reads like your usual copy/paste nonsense propoganda.

    So if you're a Republican; you're a racist, a misogynist and a piece of garbage?

    It's incredible and incredibly stupid to that you think you can pass judgement over half the population of the US and generalise them.
    Well they certainly support a racist misogynist.

    For me it is getting a little light on the ground people saying they support the racist misogynist president because taxes or wherever. I mean surely they could get someone else to support lower taxes without mocking victims of sexual assault.


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    #5952
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    VonZan wrote: »
    So if you're a Republican; you're a racist, a misogynist and a piece of garbage?

    It's incredible and incredibly stupid to that you think you can pass judgement over half the population of the US and generalise them.

    He's talking about the politicians. But much of Trump/the GOP's core vote is racist and misogynistic. Angry useful idiots with little to be angry about.


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    #5953
    dudara
    Registered Users Posts: 33,519 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    VonZan wrote: »
    So if you're a Republican; you're a racist, a misogynist and a piece of garbage?

    It's incredible and incredibly stupid to that you think you can pass judgement over half the population of the US and generalise them.

    Individual republicans may not be, but that is what the party is coming to represent as a whole. Therefore if you are a decent, non-racist, non-misogynistic republican, you’d be doing something about it, wouldn’t you? It seems that the republicans are happy to live with this misandry & racism as long as they achieve their agenda. And that is despicable.


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    #5954
    mattser
    Registered Users Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭mattser


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    Those that do are being seen for the backwards, racist, misogynistic pieces of garbage humans they are. Republicans have no principles. They use to be about states rights and fiscal conservatism. Now they support massive debt and the erosion of state powers in favour of federal, all so a Trump pardon can protect them when they are inevitably linked with some crime in the future.


    The rest of your post just reads like your usual copy/paste nonsense propoganda.

    Lay up a little bit there. That's a mighty big blanket you've thrown over millions of people exercising their democratic right.


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    #5955
    Midlife
    Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭Midlife


    Rhineshark wrote: »
    No they're not. They are saying it is an outrage that republicans are happy, as a group and en masse, to confirm a perjurer, and a man with multiple - yes, credible AND corroborated; the GOP have done a wonderful job ensuring that those words means nothing - allegations of sexual assault against him to one of the most powerful seats in the land. And that they will accept an FBI barely-investigation that did it's damnedest to not find anything.

    Which is both perfectly reasonable and absolutely not what you said.

    By the way, you not giving a damn about Kavanaugh does not equal nobody giving said damn. Yes, he represents a lot more. But it is still, essentially, him, his conduct and his appropriateness to be on the court in question before getting to the wider meanings.

    But that's one side of the story. It may be the truth but that got lost a while back.

    There are only sides now in American politics. Maybe one side has more of a grip on the objective truth but that hardly matters now.


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    #5956
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    mattser wrote: »
    Lay up a little bit there. That's a mighty big blanket you've thrown over millions of people exercising their democratic right.

    This stuff isn't hard. Any US president who gets up on a stage and publicly mocks a disabled man, or a woman's testimony about sexual assault, is scum. Those that cheer and laugh when he does so are also scum.


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    #5957
    Rhineshark
    Registered Users Posts: 632 ✭✭✭Rhineshark


    Midlife wrote: »
    But that's one side of the story. It may be the truth but that got lost a while back.

    There are only sides now in American politics. Maybe one side has more of a grip on the objective truth but that hardly matters now.

    Yes, it does matter. Enough with false equivalence nonsense. If you have two people making an argument at you with your decision resulting in profound consequences the answer is not "oh, both sides are as bad as each other so who cares about objective truth", which is essentially your argument. It's easier to ignore both than to actually do the work of researching it and using one's brain.

    Facts matter. That approach is lazy and foolish. And dangerous to a democratic state.


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    #5958
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    We actually had Grassley saying there's a lack of women on the senate judiciary committee because it's a lot of work

    Not a misogynist though


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    #5959
    VonZan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭VonZan


    dudara wrote: »
    Individual republicans may not be, but that is what the party is coming to represent as a whole. Therefore if you are a decent, non-racist, non-misogynistic republican, you’d be doing something about it, wouldn’t you? It seems that the republicans are happy to live with this misandry & racism as long as they achieve their agenda. And that is despicable.

    The Republican party doesn't represent that. Can you point to any policies that support your assertion? You do realise that black and female republicans get to vote on these policies? Do you think they're racists and misandrists or is it just white male Republicans that are racists and misandrists?

    The idea that the Republicans are trying to damage or hurt women and black people is nothing but pure nonsense.

    At least if a lot of you are going to make dangerous, radical generalisations then you should at least try and back it up.


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    #5960
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    MightyMandarin wrote: »
    You're clutching at absolute straws here. It says 'her team', they're clearly part of her campaign/lobby group which pays her a full-time salary. They might also be paid full-time, part-time or not at all (I haven't researched because it's not even worth the time) but the point is that they're part of the same stupid rent-a-crowd indicative of what's wrong with politics in 2018.


    You're just making big leaps of logic. There is nothing in that video that indicates those two women who confronted Flake were paid or were not victims. All it says is that the featured woman was organising protests around the building. She may well have brought those two women to Flake or even encouraged them to come down but there is nothing to indicate they were paid.


    VonZan wrote: »
    So if you're a Republican; you're a racist, a misogynist and a piece of garbage?

    It's incredible and incredibly stupid to that you think you can pass judgement over half the population of the US and generalise them.


    I judge them by who and what they support.


    mattser wrote: »
    Lay up a little bit there. That's a mighty big blanket you've thrown over millions of people exercising their democratic right.


    Exercising your democratic right does not mean you are not racist, misogynistic or a piece of trash.


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    #5961
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    VonZan wrote: »
    The Republican party doesn't represent that. Can you point to any policies that support your assertion? You do realise that black and female republicans get to vote on these policies? Do you think they're racists and misandrists or is it just white male Republicans that are racists and misandrists?

    The idea that the Republicans are trying to damage or hurt women and black people is nothing but pure nonsense.

    At least if a lot of you are going to make dangerous, radical generalisations then you should at least try and back it up.


    "At least if a lot of you are going to make dangerous, radical generalisations then you should at least try and back it up."

    QED.


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    #5962
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,045 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    VonZan wrote: »
    The Republican party doesn't represent that. Can you point to any policies that support your assertion? You do realise that black and female republicans get to vote on these policies? Do you think they're racists and misandrists or is it just white male Republicans that are racists and misandrists?

    The idea that the Republicans are trying to damage or hurt women and black people is nothing but pure nonsense.

    Oh? What's the GOP position on abortion, and Roe V. Wade?


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    #5963
    MightyMandarin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,723 ✭✭✭MightyMandarin


    Rhineshark wrote: »
    So, because protests are organised (it is a bit daft just having people show up anywhere randomly), anyone at a protest is paid (dammit, where is my paycheck for protesting?) And therefore the women who confronted Flake were obviously paid actors because that makes a hell of a lot more sense than women being angry at being sexually assaulted.

    Because sure, why would any woman have an issue with being sexually assaulted and seeing a man accused of it being elevated to the Supreme Court with (at the time) no investigation (and then a whitewash but hey). That would be silly.

    That you're saying anyone else is clutching at straws is risible.

    You obviously have no idea what's going on here then. The woman in the video I posted is a paid protestor, whose team harassed Flake in the lift and were viewed by the whole world doing so. That she is paid is an undeniable fact. That her team are, is unknown but still likely.

    I'm not even going to address the rest of your post because it's irrelevant rubbish.


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    #5964
    MightyMandarin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,723 ✭✭✭MightyMandarin


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    You're just making big leaps of logic. There is nothing in that video that indicates those two women who confronted Flake were paid or were not victims. All it says is that the featured woman was organising protests around the building. She may well have brought those two women to Flake or even encouraged them to come down but there is nothing to indicate they were paid.

    The narrator says "her team" ffs. Clearly they're associates of hers and part of her campaign group, not just people she happened to join the group with.


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    #5965
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    MightyMandarin wrote: »
    You obviously have no idea what's going on here then. The woman in the video I posted is a paid protestor, whose team harassed Flake in the lift and were viewed by the whole world doing so. That she is paid is an undeniable fact. That her team are, is unknown but still likely.

    I'm not even going to address the rest of your post because it's irrelevant rubbish.
    It's not an "undeniable fact", one of them had an op ed in times.. No indication that she was paid to protest in it. Claiming that she was is a bit like all the conspiracies that those who backed repeal here were paid by George Soros...

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/04/opinion/brett-kavanaugh-confirmation-vote.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage


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    #5966
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    mattser wrote: »
    Lay up a little bit there. That's a mighty big blanket you've thrown over millions of people exercising their democratic right.

    This stuff isn't hard. Any US president who gets up on a stage and publicly mocks a disabled man, or a woman's testimony about sexual assault, is scum. Those that cheer and laugh when he does so are also scum.
    Indeed. It also is not just about Ford.

    Think about every man or woman who has suffered a sexual assault but can't remember all the details. They know that they will suffer the same if they come forward, that people will say the same things about them.

    With scum like that leading the country and encouraging others they would be better off keeping quiet sadly.


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    #5967
    dudara
    Registered Users Posts: 33,519 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    VonZan wrote: »
    The Republican party doesn't represent that. Can you point to any policies that support your assertion? You do realise that black and female republicans get to vote on these policies? Do you think they're racists and misandrists or is it just white male Republicans that are racists and misandrists?

    The idea that the Republicans are trying to damage or hurt women and black people is nothing but pure nonsense.

    At least if a lot of you are going to make dangerous, radical generalisations then you should at least try and back it up.


    Instead of being defensive, ask yourself why people currently have this view of the republican party? I don’t doubt there are decent republicans, but they are being damaged by association and their failure to fix the rot within their own party.


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    #5968
    looksee
    Registered Users Posts: 28,136 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    It really doesn't matter what any of us say, the US appears determined to go through its Taliban stage, unless it proves anything different in the mid terms - and its difficult to see how it would make a real immediate difference if there were a blue wave, it would be a good start though. It is determined, it seems, to have a totalitarian state, which of course is nothing to do with ideology, it is all to do with power and wealth going to the preferred, limited, people. Mostly the people who are fervently shouting for the current situation will never benefit from it. There are, stupidly, millions of turkeys voting for Christmas.

    We have to conclude that the fairly irrational and indeed muck-stirring posts by the few people arguing in favour of this scenario are either American contributors who have been caught up in this sad situation - turkeys, or people just being argumentative for the sake of it. Funny, the religious forums attract those sorts too.

    There is corruption, misogyny, racism, greed and bigotry all over the world. If you are one of the people who benefits from these attitudes then you are likely to support them. Fortunately we are, on the whole, winning the fight over them in Europe. America has enough people who support these attitudes and at the moment they appear to be winning. It is likely to get worse before it gets better.


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    #5969
    jjpep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 658 ✭✭✭jjpep


    In a political system that has paid lobbyists, why wouldn't you have paid protestors?


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    #5970
    rossie1977
    Registered Users Posts: 11,342 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    VonZan wrote: »
    The Republican party doesn't represent that. Can you point to any policies that support your assertion? You do realise that black and female republicans get to vote on these policies? Do you think they're racists and misandrists or is it just white male Republicans that are racists and misandrists?

    The idea that the Republicans are trying to damage or hurt women and black people is nothing but pure nonsense.

    At least if a lot of you are going to make dangerous, radical generalisations then you should at least try and back it up.

    The Republican party for decades have tried to eliminate women's individualistic rights like the proper access to abortion care, birth control and cancer screenings. How often have they tried to defund planned parenthood?

    A number of US states during last election were found to be attempting to restrict black people from voting by federal courts. Republicans in certain states are trying to make it harder and harder for poor black to vote. I mean look at the Republican position on Black Lives Matter..they are denounced as a terrorist organisation on a par with Isis.

    The fact that some women and some black folks hold the same views as the Republican party does not mean the rights of certain segments of us society are not being eroded...many women in Saudi Arabia hold the view that women in general should not have the same rights as men.


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    #5971
    MightyMandarin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,723 ✭✭✭MightyMandarin


    batgoat wrote: »
    It's not an "undeniable fact", one of them had an op ed in times.. No indication that she was paid to protest in it. Claiming that she was is a bit like all the conspiracies that those who backed repeal here were paid by George Soros...

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/04/opinion/brett-kavanaugh-confirmation-vote.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    I'll post the video again because you're clearly too lazy to have read back the thread and instead just hopped in onto one my later comments.



    This woman is a full-time paid protestor whose team confronted Flake in the lift. Again, not a claim, it's a fact. She admits to it, and so do vice news, which is why they followed her. This has nothing to do with the NYT, this is simply me rebutting the idea that Trump was completely incorrect when he called out the paid protestors in DC this week.


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