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Peter Casey's beliefs of Travellers' ethnicity Part II

  • 04-11-2018 3:36am
    #1
    Purple Mountain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭✭


    Mod: ye olde thread is here. Remember that if you were threadbanned from that thread, you are still threadbanned here.


    RaichuMGS wrote: »
    did you read it twice?

    Did you?

    To thine own self be true



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  • #2
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,139 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    So I can’t have an opinion because I don’t have cancer or a drug addiction?????

    What are you rambling on about???


    it's quite obvious what she was talking about.
    Redneck Culchie wrote: »
    Direct Provision is a load of ****e topic anyway. Filled with fraudster asylum seekers who have already been rejected but we haven't the balls to deport them so they exhaust the appeal process. WTF do they want complete open borders even more than we already have?

    we very much have the balls to deport them. once the full procedures are exausted. direct provision may have it's faults but people going through the process need to be accommodated somewhere while they go through the process, somewhere the authorities can insure their whereabouts. + the majority of asylum seekers aren't fraudsters, they haven't been charged with, and in a court of law, found guilty of fraud.
    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Jennifer McGuire hasn’t tweeted since that accusation.

    Seems she’s been put back in her box in her little sheltered d4 hideout.

    or perhapse she is busy, out somewhere, asleep, whichever?
    fin12 wrote: »
    I really hope by the next election Peter Casey has a new party set up and a candidate in cork which I can vote for.

    i'd say there is no chance. he couldn't even get elected to the presidentsy. i have a feeling this chap if he does go for politics, will be the irish version of flipflop farage. running for election but keeps being rejected.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #3
    realitykeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    It might be best if you leave this planet, as I'd imagine life is stressful for you. Would brutality be considered err emm brutal behaviour?

    I think a measure of brutality it quantifiable just like a gill of whiskey. The application of punishment in an authoritative is different to louts brawling.


  • #4
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,139 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    fin12 wrote: »
    Sorry he stands for a lot more than his views on travellers. He says exactly what all the rest of us are thinking.

    nope. he really doesn't. he says what some people think. but he most certainly does not say what all the rest of us think.
    fin12 wrote: »
    I’m sick of these fake fu*ckers we’ve had for years in government.

    so am i, but peter casey is the exact same as them.
    fin12 wrote: »
    Oh sorry 342 thousand of us.... it’s hard to get ur message across when you live in such a corrupt country.

    casey supporters got plenty of platforms to get their message across.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #5
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,139 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    francie is gone but your back

    now isnt that a coincidence

    you cnat have read it that well

    one of the names of one of the 3 pieces of legislation contains the word travellers


    (Housing (Traveller Accommodation) Act 1998 )

    so?
    RaichuMGS wrote: »
    Pretty sure a persons right to peaceful enjoyment of their home trumps the rights of the bollox who breaks in and beats the ****e out of the owner and proceeds to rob them.

    yes hence we have jail sentences for that crime.
    mynamejeff wrote: »
    did francie not fill you in on how things have been going ?

    repeatedly linked and proved

    refer to previous posts please

    i read all posts in relation to this. francie doesn't have to fill me in on anything, it's not his job.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #6
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    end of the road wrote: »
    so?


    i read all posts in relation to this. francie doesn't have to fill me in on anything, it's not his job.

    So ? thats your response to being proven wrong multiple times ?

    reactivate francie there will you he was much better at this than you .


    your party will not be proud of you eotr tisk tisk


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  • #7
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,139 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    So ? thats your response to being proven wrong multiple times ?

    reactivate francie there will you he was much better at this than you .


    your party will not be proud of you eotr tisk tisk


    i haven't been proven wrong. i can't "reactivate" francie given he is a human being.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #8
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    end of the road wrote: »
    i haven't been proven wrong. i can't "reactivate" francie given he is a human being.

    lol your fooling no one


  • #9
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,139 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    lol your fooling no one

    huh?

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #10
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    McGuire will be back in a few days in one of the rags with a sob story about Twitter trolls and bullying. Whilst completely neglecting the fact that she fabricated a story about Peter Casey.

    I turned off the LLS after her opening line in her interview. Blabbing on about a some wonderful guests AND Peter Casey. Then said something about how he was sitting in the green room and had separated food for himself.

    I reckon she had the whole thing planned out in her head but didn't realize it would backfire on her. She is the very definition of living in a bubble. She probably thought she'd be a legend because EVERYBODY (that she knows) hates Peter Casey


  • #11
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    end of the road wrote: »
    because they are an ethnic minority.

    What makes someone ethnically a Traveller, as opposed to just Irish?


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  • #12
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    McGuire will be back in a few days in one of the rags with a sob story about Twitter trolls and bullying. Whilst completely neglecting the fact that she fabricated a story about Peter Casey.

    I turned off the LLS after her opening line in her interview. Blabbing on about a some wonderful guests AND Peter Casey. Then said something about how he was sitting in the green room and had separated food for himself.

    I reckon she had the whole thing planned out in her head but didn't realize it would backfire on her. She is the very definition of living in a bubble. She probably thought she'd be a legend because EVERYBODY (that she knows) hates Peter Casey
    A ledge!


  • #13
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    end of the road wrote: »
    where did tuberty threaten a guest? there was no threat toards casey from what i saw. the BAI may investigate it but i'd be surprised if there is any result other then it being thrown

    Thrown out, just like Francis's "group" complaint to the 5-0 :pac:


  • #14
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    McGuire will be back in a few days in one of the rags with a sob story about Twitter trolls and bullying. Whilst completely neglecting the fact that she fabricated a story about Peter Casey.

    I turned off the LLS after her opening line in her interview. Blabbing on about a some wonderful guests AND Peter Casey. Then said something about how he was sitting in the green room and had separated food for himself.

    I reckon she had the whole thing planned out in her head but didn't realize it would backfire on her. She is the very definition of living in a bubble. She probably thought she'd be a legend because EVERYBODY (that she knows) hates Peter Casey

    She's unfunny and painfully annoying.


  • #15
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,824 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Can't believe this thread actually made it to 10,000 posts

    :)

    Seems there's a lot more interest in Peter Casey views than some will admit


  • #16
    [Deleted User]
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    Redneck Culchie wrote: »
    No she got what she wanted. A real nasty piece of work that one. Again our taxes pay her wages. And she attacked him earlier in the show too. You can tell she is a stuck up bitch in love with herself.

    Is that an After Hours euphemism for self-confident woman? If it's any consolation, as somebody who's not enough of a pleb to watch reality tv I had never heard of her until now so you might make a great employee in her PR department.


  • #17
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,104 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Please take a moment out of your Sunday morning to watch this short snippit.

    It was made by the American government in 1943

    It's incredibly apt right now in America. In the UK and frankly to this entire threads permise. I'm in no doubt that there is ultras that will sneer at it but I don't really care. If the ones on the fence that are willfully vilifiying an entire group of people get it then it's done it's job.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1058991043696345088


  • #18
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Omackeral wrote: »
    She's unfunny and painfully annoying.

    She sure is....

    I don't understand how failing on the apprentice got her a TV gig, she's not funny is a poor sctor and is pretty unrelatable (to me at least)

    Though the same could be said about many of RTEs favourites


  • #19
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Gonna leave this here one last time before the thread is closed.

    ''Everyone should be treated equally and the State should not discriminate against anybody.'' -Peter Casey


  • #20
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    listermint wrote: »
    Please take a moment out of your Sunday morning to watch this short snippit.

    It was made by the American government in 1943

    It's incredibly apt right now in America. In the UK and frankly to this entire threads permise. I'm in no doubt that there is ultras that will sneer at it but I don't really care. If the ones on the fence that are willfully vilifiying an entire group of people get it then it's done it's job.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1058991043696345088

    That was actually really, really informative, it threw a huge light on America at the time. Watching the WASP's reaction change when the speaker mentioned Freemasons after Catholics and Negroes was like watching a film based on Martin Niemöller's "First they came for the Communists...".


  • #21
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,104 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Gonna leave this here one last time before the thread is closed.

    ''Everyone should be treated equally and the State should not discriminate against anybody.'' -Peter Casey

    Then act like that quote. Please. Act like it.

    Demonisation and vilification is what this thread has been.

    Nothing more. That line does not describe this thread.

    My post above is exactly what this thread is about. Everyone should watch it.


    Everyone


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  • #22
    Edward M
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭Edward M


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Gonna leave this here one last time before the thread is closed.

    ''Everyone should be treated equally and the State should not discriminate against anybody.'' -Peter Casey

    Great point, there are so many different cultures and ethnicities here now that to single out any of them as having special status above any other is indeed discriminatory.


  • #23
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,104 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Edward M wrote: »
    Great point, there are so many different cultures and ethnicities here now that to single out any of them as having special status above any other is indeed discriminatory.

    Any equally to target them for special treatment of Ire , anger and vilification comes under the same umbrella


  • #24
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,898 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Edward M wrote: »
    Great point, there are so many different cultures and ethnicities here now that to single out any of them as having special status above any other is indeed discriminatory.

    Well that's progress I suppose that you recognise they are an ethnicity.

    Next is to get you to see and understand that it does not confer any 'extra' equality on them.

    And before we go down the rabbithole again, an 'entitlement' is not an extra right. Democratic and caring societies give extra entitlements and make special provision for, many many sections of society. And indeed, this community had entitlements and extra provision in law, long before SEMS, just like the disabled, the elderly, single mothers etc etc.

    As previously pointed out, abuse of the above happens but has to be tolerated, to a degree, if we wish to live in a democratic, caring society.


  • #25
    Edward M
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭Edward M


    listermint wrote: »
    Any equally to target them for special treatment of Ire , anger and vilification comes under the same umbrella

    If you can't see the reasoning behind the suspicion of travellers where you live then you live in a bubble.
    I don't hate them, but I know enough about them to not want any dealings with them, so I just ignore them and when they turn up in the yard uninvited, which is regularly and the reason everything is locked up, I just tell them I don't want what they are trying to sell or the services they are offering.
    Doesn't stop them coming back mind, but I've a firm stance on how I deal with them. You can make your own mind up on yours.


  • #26
    Edward M
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭Edward M


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Well that's progress I suppose that you recognise they are an ethnicity.

    Next is to get you to see and understand that it does not confer any 'extra' equality on them.

    And before we go down the rabbithole again, an 'entitlement' is not an extra right. Democratic and caring societies give extra entitlements and make special provision for, many many sections of society. And indeed, this community had entitlements and extra provision in law, long before SEMS, just like the disabled, the elderly, single mothers etc etc.

    As previously pointed out, abuse of the above happens but has to be tolerated, to a degree, if we wish to live in a democratic, caring society.

    Never said they weren't, but what's so "special" about it?


  • #27
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,104 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Edward M wrote: »
    If you can't see the reasoning behind the suspicion of travellers where you live then you live in a bubble.
    I don't hate them, but I know enough about them to not want any dealings with them, so I just ignore them and when they turn up in the yard uninvited, which is regularly and the reason everything is locked up, I just tell them I don't want what they are trying to sell or the services they are offering.
    Doesn't stop them coming back mind, but I've a firm stance on how I deal with them. You can make your own mind up on yours.

    The video was entirely lost on you

    And you reverted straight back to normal service.

    Congratulations.

    Happy Sunday


  • #28
    Edward M
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭Edward M


    listermint wrote: »
    The video was entirely lost on you

    And you reverted straight back to normal service.

    Congratulations.

    Happy Sunday

    I will, you too. I'm off to a market to do a stall, I'll be beside a few travellers, we'll have a chat and d craic too, how many of them will you be chatting to today?


  • #29
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,898 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Edward M wrote: »
    Never said they weren't, but what's so "special" about it?

    The 'ethnicity' is not special, there are many ethnicities as you say. The 'status' is 'special' because we conferred it to aid in inclusivity and parity of esteem.
    Get the image of a criminal (who should all be treated equally) out of your head for a minute and read this maybe and you will see that the status should not threaten you or anybody else.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/q-a-what-does-ethnic-recognition-mean-for-irish-travellers-1.2993526

    It is no co-incidence that Kenny mentions the GFA in his address to the House, it also was conceived to aid inclusivness and parity of esteem and allow for 'overlapping identities', but nobody would ever suggest it makes one identity more equal than the other.

    https://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/News/Taoiseach's_Speeches/Statement_by_An_Taoiseach_Enda_Kenny_TD_on_the_recognition_of_Travellers_as_an_ethnic_group_Dail_Eireann_1_March_2017.html


  • #30
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,104 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Edward M wrote: »
    I will, you too. I'm off to a market to do a stall, I'll be beside a few travellers, we'll have a chat and d craic too, how many of them will you be chatting to today?

    Not many , I've no business with travellers today.


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  • #31
    Edward M
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭Edward M


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The 'ethnicity' is not special, there are many ethnicities as you say. The 'status' is 'special' because we conferred it to aid in inclusivity and parity of esteem.
    Get the image of a criminal (who should all be treated equally) out of your head for a minute and read this maybe and you will see that the status should not threaten you or anybody else.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/q-a-what-does-ethnic-recognition-mean-for-irish-travellers-1.2993526

    It is no co-incidence that Kenny mentions the GFA in his address to the House, it also was conceived to aid inclusivness and parity of esteem and allow for 'overlapping identities', but nobody would ever suggest it makes one identity more equal than the other.

    https://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/News/Taoiseach's_Speeches/Statement_by_An_Taoiseach_Enda_Kenny_TD_on_the_recognition_of_Travellers_as_an_ethnic_group_Dail_Eireann_1_March_2017.html

    They don't want inclusivity, that's the point lost on a good few, they tell you that themselves if you talked to them.
    They want to be free to live their lives as they do and not have any interference from me and thee.
    The problem is that their way of life impedes on ours and they aren't happy with our laws impeding on theirs.


  • #32
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    listermint wrote: »
    Then act like that quote. Please. Act like it.

    I do.
    Omackeral wrote: »
    I've said before on here that I would treat anyone man,woman or child with the utmost respect until they give me a reason not to. That's regardless of colour, creed or faith. In fact, I work with Travellers every day that I clock in to work, for 12 hours a day. I have some fantastic craic with Travellers and some of them are amongst the most funny and good natured fellas I encounter. On a personal level, I enjoy their company tbh. However, it's a jail I work in and they aren't there via special invite.
    Omackeral wrote: »
    I must point out I do agree with this in a sense. A lot of people don't seem to care if you call them knackers and other derogatory names and I absolutely fcuking despise that. I've said as much on here for years. I hate it. There's no need for it.

    Doesn't mean one can't make valid criticisms either. I agree that many are all tarred as scum before they're given a chance. I feel awful for anybody written of before they've opened their mouth. I'm also a realist though and understand why some businesses or individuals may feel like they need to be cautious too. It's unfortunate but it's not born out of nowhere.


  • #33
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Well that's progress I suppose that you recognise they are an ethnicity.

    Next is to get you to see and understand that it does not confer any 'extra' equality on them.

    Different is not different.
    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    And before we go down the rabbithole again, an 'entitlement' is not an extra right.

    Entitlements are not entitlements.
    listermint wrote: »
    Please take a moment out of your Sunday morning to watch this short snippit.

    It was made by the American government in 1943

    It's incredibly apt right now in America. In the UK and frankly to this entire threads permise. I'm in no doubt that there is ultras that will sneer at it but I don't really care. If the ones on the fence that are willfully vilifiying an entire group of people get it then it's done it's job.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1058991043696345088

    You still here?

    Not sure why you're posting WW2 propaganda (it is explicitly such). Don't worry your head listermint, I'll do the work for you!

    So the American movie Don't be a sucker was warning against 5th columnists and socially divisive rabble rousers. Presumably it was also an opportunity for FDR to promote racial desegregation as well, though that didn't stop him from the mass interment of people with Japanese heritage the year before.

    A fascist who was openly anti-Catholic Church? Seems a bit unlikely. Also the fascists in America were more likely to be acting on a pacifist note, in the same way that the fascists in Germany were more about undoing the Versailles Treaty as their primary take-home message.

    Wait - but how does this relate to Ireland?

    Dun dun dun


    It's that when you get someone lauching tirades against certain people or organizations, like the Catholic Church, the Brits, the Prods, or the scummy bankers, you are giving into extremism. I think I've picked that up wrong.

    Okay, I'll give it another go. There are 5th columnists afoot who will weaken the war effort. They should not be given a platform from which to sow division during these perilous times. No, no, I'm still missing it.

    This is tougher than I thought, listermint, I'm not surprised you left it to me.

    Oh wait, Casey is a fascist.

    Got it.


  • #34
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,898 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Edward M wrote: »
    They don't want inclusivity, that's the point lost on a good few, they tell you that themselves if you talked to them.
    They want to be free to live their lives as they do and not have any interference from me and thee.
    The problem is that their way of life impedes on ours and they aren't happy with our laws impeding on theirs.

    They campaigned for this for years. They want their diversity recognised.
    Not sure why you wish to make things up them wanting to live above our laws in some way.

    Anecdotal stories about what a traveller on a market stall tells you aren't much use here. I could just invent another traveller saying something different.
    The point is, and the effect of SEMS should be that their way of life shouldn't impede on ours like that of other ethnicities living here shouldn't.
    That's if you want to live in a tolerant society. Which I certainly do.


  • #35
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn



    Thats exactly it and in the Tipperary hirse and house case the travellers said they never asked for the houses.
    Travellers dont finish education so any work they can find will be low paid and they have no hope of work unless they have a fixed address. The fixed address means bills and responsibilities and not ringing the council to tepair damage done and collect rubbish etc and traveller culture involves living on handouts from everyone else( including begging at doors) Its not the individual traveller that employers could be financially induced to employ, its the fact that employers wouldnt trust the individual not to give information to traveller criminal elements, once bitten twice shy.
    Have you ever spoken or even been within ten km of a traveller listermint, if not take your nose out of your sociology lecture notes and go and visit a few halting sites.

    I still cant believe elderly people are opening doirs to unknown people though I suppose if you dont open the door criminals will come in the window. I had the Romas around last christmas, they turned up singing carols tunelessly and I ran them. An older msn living alone let one in to use his bathroom and they ransacked his house. Another family discovered Romas were calling to their elderly mother regularly “for tea”, their mother had early inset dementia and the Roma were emptying her purse every week and had the full run of her house.
    What can you say or do, the Gardai do their best and when I rang them about “ the choir” they responded immediately. I saw them stopping a Roma woman recently and they searched her double buggy, I heard them telling her she was a disgrace so the two children must have been sitting on stolen property.
    My sons phone was stolen in a night club and the Gardai told him Roma gangs fly in and steal hundreds of phones in one night and then fly back out again. I suppose the Roma are a disadvantaged put upon group too, big resigned sigh.


  • #36
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    They campaigned for this for years. They want their diversity recognised.

    You seem to have a lot of information on lock. What makes a Traveller, a Traveller?


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  • #37
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,161 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Edward M wrote: »
    I will, you too. I'm off to a market to do a stall, I'll be beside a few travellers, we'll have a chat and d craic too, how many of them will you be chatting to today?

    if you see my stihl chainsaw for sale let me know


  • #38
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,898 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Omackeral wrote: »
    You seem to have a lot of information on lock. What makes a Traveller, a Traveller?

    Plenty of info out there on that subject. Presented on this thread too.


  • #39
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Plenty of info out there on that subject. Presented on this thread too.

    There's over 10,000 posts on here. Could you just tell me? I'm asking you directly.


  • #40
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Omackeral wrote: »
    There's over 10,000 posts on here. Could you just tell me? I'm asking you directly.

    Oh no the thread is going to implode and kill all the hamsters!!!

    macaulay-culkin


  • #41
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,898 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Omackeral wrote: »
    There's over 10,000 posts on here. Could you just tell me? I'm asking you directly.

    Dear O, if you are the second highest contributor to that thread of 10,000 posts and you need to be told what it is travellers believe makes them travellers then I am sorry, I have no inclination to help you.

    I have read the documentation on SEMS, I have listened to their representative bodies and I have listened to the arguments against it and I accept their status. Not particularly interested in arguing about that or rehashing it.

    I would expect the same sort of interaction with and understanding of, the information off anyone who wants to be considered a serious contributor to this particular debate.


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  • #42
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Well that's progress I suppose that you recognise they are an ethnicity.

    Next is to get you to see and understand that it does not confer any 'extra' equality on them.

    And before we go down the rabbithole again, an 'entitlement' is not an extra right. Democratic and caring societies give extra entitlements and make special provision for, many many sections of society. And indeed, this community had entitlements and extra provision in law, long before SEMS, just like the disabled, the elderly, single mothers etc etc.

    As previously pointed out, abuse of the above happens but has to be tolerated, to a degree, if we wish to live in a democratic, caring society.


    I think there are a great many people that believe the entitlements provided are unnecessarily generous and that we are well past that degree of tolerating abuse.


  • #43
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,898 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    I think there are a great many people that believe the entitlements provided are unnecessarily generous and that we are well past that degree of tolerating abuse.

    Have been saying it all through the thread. Abuses of welfare and entitlements occur across society and should be dealt with.
    Should a presidential candidate be allowed to target one community on that subject in an erroneous and discriminatory way? No, he should be robustly challenged on that. And he was. Hence the whinging.


  • #44
    Panch18
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭Panch18


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    They campaigned for this for years. They want their diversity recognised.
    Not sure why you wish to make things up them wanting to live above our laws in some way.

    .

    Can you outline exactly what diversity travellers have that should be recognised?


  • #45
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    complaints@rte.ie is the place to go.

    This is the legislation that they failed in

    "RTÉ is obliged under Section 39 (1) of the Broadcasting Act 2009 to ensure that:

    (a) all news broadcast is reported and presented in an objective and impartial manner and without any expression of the broadcaster's own views."


  • #46
    Edward M
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭Edward M


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Plenty of info out there on that subject. Presented on this thread too.

    What makes the jump from being down on unionists, in other threads, and their intolerance of gays and abortion issues, to defending another group with virtually the same intolerance?
    Not to mention their proclamations on their fight challenge videos calling opponents handicapped bastards.
    It's time some had a look at the human rights attitude of the group they're trying to defend.


  • #47
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Have been saying it all through the thread. Abuses of welfare and entitlements occur across society and should be dealt with.
    Should a presidential candidate be allowed to target one community on that subject in an erroneous and discriminatory way? No, he should be robustly challenged on that. And he was. Hence the whinging.


    He didn't target them though did he? Wasn't he directly asked a question about them?


    And while you are right that the issues occur across the country, they are extremely and disproportionally prevalent in the relatively small traveller community. How do you address the high levels of crime, illiteracy, substance abuse and violence in the community if you cannot discuss them openly?


  • #48
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    Thats exactly it and in the Tipperary horse and house case the travellers said they never asked for the houses. They dont want inclusivity,they want local authorities to buy sites for them so they can live with their personally chosen extended clan beside them. They will bring up their children in filth and squalor rather than live beside someone they dont want to be beside. Giving them ethnic status only led to less understanding on their behalf about how unreasonable they are.

    Travellers dont finish education so any work they can find will be low paid and they have no hope of work unless they have a fixed address. The fixed address means bills and responsibilities and not ringing the council to tepair damage done and collect rubbish etc and traveller culture involves living on handouts from everyone else( including begging at doors) Its not the individual traveller that employers could be financially induced to employ, its the fact that employers wouldnt trust the individual not to give information to traveller criminal elements, once bitten twice shy.

    Have you ever spoken or even been within ten km of a traveller listermint, if not take your nose out of your sociology lecture notes and go and visit a few halting sites.

    I still cant believe elderly people are opening doirs to unknown people though I suppose if you dont open the door criminals will come in the window. I had the Romas around last christmas, they turned up singing carols tunelessly and I ran them. An older msn living alone let one in to use his bathroom and they ransacked his house. Another family discovered Romas were calling to their elderly mother regularly “for tea”, their mother had early inset dementia and the Roma were emptying her purse every week and had the full run of her house.
    What can you say or do, the Gardai do their best and when I rang them about “ the choir” they responded immediately. I saw them stopping a Roma woman recently and they searched her double buggy, I heard them telling her she was a disgrace so the two children must have been sitting on stolen property.
    My sons phone was stolen in a night club and the Gardai told him Roma gangs fly in and steal hundreds of phones in one night and then fly back out again. I suppose the Roma are a disadvantaged put upon group too, big resigned sigh.


  • #49
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,898 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Edward M wrote: »
    What makes the jump from being down on unionists, in other threads, and their intolerance of gays and abortion issues, to defending another group with virtually the same intolerance?
    Not to mention their proclamations on their fight challenge videos calling opponents handicapped bastards.
    It's time some had a look at the human rights attitude of the group they're trying to defend.

    I am not trying to defend any group's stance on different issues. If they are wrong about gay rights or abortion etc, I will challenge them on that if I disagree. Their SEMS status does not threaten my rights to do that.

    You will notice that I have never questioned a Unionist's right to identify as British. I voted for the GFA.

    Same thing here.


  • #50
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,898 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    He didn't target them though did he? Wasn't he directly asked a question about them?


    And while you are right that the issues occur across the country, they are extremely and disproportionally prevalent in the relatively small traveller community. How do you address the high levels of crime, illiteracy, substance abuse and violence in the community if you cannot discuss them openly?

    No. He was asked about homelessness and introduced travellers and Tipperary himself.

    He hasn't addressed any of the other issues you mention, that I can see. That is what his supporters think he was referring to in some sort of masonic secret shorthand way.


  • #51
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    I wonder will Tubridy make any reference on his radio show tomorrow to the criticism he got on twitter over his totally biased interview with Peter Casey.

    As a very unwilling licence fee payer to RTE I would like management to review that interview and call Tubridy to account over it.


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