House for life for 55 euro a week.

AmberGold · 01-11-2018 9:50am

Here’s a Respond purchased development in Coolock village (Artane side) 10 minutes from Dublin 1, close to all amenities.

Seriously nice houses in a good area. There’s some photos of the houses in the thread, even in Coolock these are worth €500k @ 1,650 sq ft, 4 bed, 3 bath.

https://www.respond.ie/events/16-families-including-69-children-move-into-their-new-homes-in-chanel-in-dublin/

kneemos · 01-11-2018 9:52am

AmberGold wrote: »

Here’s a Respond purchased development in Coolock village (Artane side) 10 minutes from Dublin 1, close to all amenities. It was originally built as private housing but the developer got into trouble (I could be wrong on this one).

Seriously nice houses in a good area. There’s some photos of the houses in the thread, even in Coolock these are worth €500k.

https://www.respond.ie/events/16-families-including-69-children-move-into-their-new-homes-in-chanel-in-dublin/

Who the **** built those? You can literally see what they're having for dinner.

And wearing to bed.

01-11-2018 9:54am

Nermal wrote: »

People become more conservative as they grow up, get richer, become contributors to society.

Unfortunately you are right, we are in a minority in wider society.

Ultimately a nation where contributors can be outvoted is in serious trouble.

Yes. Perhaps the unionists of Derry had it right back in 1967, where the unionists, eh ratepayers, could get 6 votes and the nationalists, eh non-ratepayers, could get none?

It should be fun when Roy Foster, Ruth Dudley Edwards, Kevin Myers and the Sunday Independent get to revising that history.

Fann Linn · 01-11-2018 9:56am

suicide_circus wrote: »

if you've ever been on a plane to Alicante or Lanzarote you know that people on social welfare do indeed go on foreign holidays.

Fcuk you Ryanair and your cheap flights.

Berserker · 01-11-2018 10:03am

whomitconcerns wrote: »

Why should the children get these homes in succession? That's madness...sure why would they try better themselves...

Because they learn from their parents. If your parents are hard working, honest people, you will probably follow in their footsteps. Ditto for the children of long term unemployed people. Stats have shown that they'll spend their life on the dole, as a rule.

PapaOscar wrote: »

Its not though, most of these poxbottles will never get to step foot out of Ireland. I cant imagine not having a couple of holidays a year or having money there to do whatever with.Despite what you may think, the free house, dole life is no life at all its a sorry existence. I wouldnt swap places.

They do step out of Ireland. They go to Spain religiously, year in year out. Had the misfortune of spending three days beside some of them in Grand C. a few years back. They sit by the pool, get drunk and head to the pub, Irish pub of course and drink some more. The next day is the exact same.

Also, the cheap house, dole, pub, bookies etc lifestyle is a hell of a lot more comfortable than going out to work in a minimum wage job or any job that these people are qualified to do. There are plenty of working people who cannot afford a foreign holiday.

Gimme A Pound · 01-11-2018 10:06am

Try_harder wrote: »

Not a life I want or desire. But I dont begrudge those that need it

Need it? Of course. Doubt many would begrudge people who need it

Slanty wrote: »

Most of the working class don’t have there couple of holidays a year or surplus money sitting around.

Most are living week to week paying thousands a month to rent and working 40+ hours a week.

Working class people aren't being referred to here though, seeing as they work.

Wanderer78 · 01-11-2018 10:07am

Berserker wrote:

Also, the cheap house, dole, pub, bookies etc lifestyle is a hell of a lot more comfortable than going out to work in a minimum wage job or any job that these people are qualified to do. There are plenty of working people who cannot afford a foreign holiday.

They d hardly have addiction problems, would they?

thelibertyboy · 01-11-2018 10:10am

I had a chat with a friend of mine a while ago just after i bought a house and he said because him and his wife work full time now they have to pay 150 a week for a three bed flat.

i was like that is cheap. but i just think its a cycle that the lifelong social housing occupants are use to paying **** all rent and just will wait ten years or more on the list which you get told to go on as soon as your born!! to get a house or flat in a hotel or ****ty housing because really who wants to pay 2k a month rent compared to 600 a month!!.

It is annoying but unless there is mass protests like the stupid water protests nothing will go anywhere.

lawred2 · 01-11-2018 10:11am

AmberGold wrote: »

Here’s a Respond purchased development in Coolock village (Artane side) 10 minutes from Dublin 1, close to all amenities.

Seriously nice houses in a good area. There’s some photos of the houses in the thread, even in Coolock these are worth €500k @ 1,650 sq ft, 4 bed, 3 bath.

https://www.respond.ie/events/16-families-including-69-children-move-into-their-new-homes-in-chanel-in-dublin/

they are some serious properties right there...

Shenshen · 01-11-2018 10:11am

Nermal wrote: »

People become more conservative as they grow up, get richer, become contributors to society.

Unfortunately you are right, we are in a minority in wider society.

Ultimately a nation where contributors can be outvoted is in serious trouble.

I'm in my mid-forties, reasonably comfortably off, have paid taxes for well over 20 years and am in the process of paying off a mortgage.

How old an rich is the average boardsie? :eek:

lawred2 · 01-11-2018 10:11am

kneemos wrote: »

Who the **** built those? You can literally see what they're having for dinner.

And wearing to bed.

You have heard of blinds and curtains right? Fairly standard fare in almost every house in this country

Doctors room ghost · 01-11-2018 10:13am

begbysback wrote: »

No scrounger here, pay a mortgage on a nice home, have a good job, third level education, money on the bank - I've been on welfare, and come from a working class background in a rough neighbourhood where social housing is the norm - I've seen how the majority of people in social housing live, little or no work, some can't even read or write, jails addiction and illnesses are common, medication for anxiety is rampant.

You can oversimplify it to "55 a week housing for the rest of your life" and get a good hate on, but remember, it's a package deal - and I wouldn't begrudge them or wish it on anyone.

happy xmas

It’s not even Christmas ffs.its the first of November.just a normal p1ss ant day.
On away with your happy Christmas.

Mantis Toboggan · 01-11-2018 10:14am

Unfortunately we have a country where being lazy and refusing to get off your arse and get a job results in free houses and hand outs for everything. You can blame fianna fail and fine gael for this.

kneemos · 01-11-2018 10:15am

lawred2 wrote: »

You have heard of blinds and curtains right? Fairly standard fare in almost every house in this country

Dermot Bannon effort.

kneemos · 01-11-2018 10:15am

lawred2 wrote: »

You have heard of blinds and curtains right? Fairly standard fare in almost every house in this country

Dermot Bannon effort.

Tell me how · 01-11-2018 10:16am

Mantis Toboggan wrote:

Unfortunately we have a country where being lazy and refusing to get off your arse and get a job results in free houses and hand outs for everything. You can blame fianna fail and fine gael for this.

We are nearly at full employment by all objective measures.....

You still wanna blame FF and FG for that?

ThunbergsAreGo · 01-11-2018 10:16am

I would rather a larger emphasis is put on affordable houses as opposed to social housing

01-11-2018 10:17am

begbysback wrote: »

I've seen how the majority of people in social housing live, little or no work, some can't even read or write, jails addiction and illnesses are common, medication for anxiety is rampant.

It must be a really, really bad estate if that's the 'majority'? In my local council estate the people were just poorer and less educated, and there were definitely more broken homes there at a time when that wasn't really spoken about. Most people worked at some menial job, though, and there was far less emigration from that estate in the 80s compared to from everywhere else. It was also really the only place where the local soccer team came from. Smoking and drinking was much more common, and playing pool in the bar. And parents there went to the pub, which was no-no for most parents from other areas. That was about the extent of the socio-economic difference.

Padraig Mor · 01-11-2018 10:17am

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Why are we all working and paying mortgages?

https://www.fm104.ie/news/housing-agency-in-homes-plegde/

Homes for life for 55 euro a week and these people’s kids get the same??

Listen to the audio it’s only 19 seconds long.

Don't forget that they won't be turfed out if they don't actually pay it - the rent is, in effect, an optional payment. And as the council arrears figures show, many, many people are not paying - in Dublin a majority of council houses are in rent arrears.

Wanderer78 · 01-11-2018 10:18am

naughtb4 wrote:

I would rather a larger emphasis is put on affordable houses as opposed to social housing

What if people still can't afford affordable housing?

sbsquarepants · 01-11-2018 10:19am

PapaOscar wrote: »

Its not though, most of these poxbottles will never get to step foot out of Ireland. I cant imagine not having a couple of holidays a year or having money there to do whatever with..

I can quite easily imagine it - I've been doing it for quite a while - ever since I bought a house in fact.
Now if that house was costing me 50quid a week and only ever would cost that, I would certainly consider summering in the Algarve and wintering in Lanzarote.

One eyed Jack · 01-11-2018 10:22am

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Don't forget that they won't be turfed out if they don't actually pay it - the rent is, in effect, an optional payment. And as the council arrears figures show, many, many people are not paying - in Dublin a majority of council houses are in rent arrears.

They’re not paying rent to the council. Tenants are paying rent to the housing organisation which actually owns the properties.

wellwhynot · 01-11-2018 10:22am

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Did you listen to the audio?

Those houses were built and are owned by the Respond organisation. They can do what the fcuk they like with them, including taking €55 a week in rent.

Respond are funded by the County Councils as are Cluid the other housing agency who is snapping up €500,000 houses and charging rent similar to the above. Being given a €500,000 having never paid tax is akin to winning the lottery as most working people would have to pay tax on their earnings and high interest rates to buy a house of that value. Also if you get a Respond or Cluid house you do not have to pay the property tax nor the management company fees.

Doctors room ghost · 01-11-2018 10:26am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

What if people still can't afford affordable housing?

Then they should go the pond rat route and apply for every “entitlement” going, stop going to work,start making regular court appearances on free legal aid,breed like rabbits,stay in bed all day scratching and watching Jeremy Kyle,and if all that fails go on the sick with a bad back or else “the addiction” and hound doctors for prescription drugs for you’re imaginary bad back on your free medical card until you actually develop a genuine addiction to the tablets you demanded.free house guaranteed then.might cost you an optional tenner a week.
And if you think that’s far fetched,every town and village in Ireland is full with the above.

wellwhynot · 01-11-2018 10:26am

One eyed Jack wrote: »

They’re not paying rent to the council. Tenants are paying rent to the housing organisation which actually owns the properties.

Exactly but the County Councils and Government fund the purchase of the houses. The rent paid by the tenants is used to pay the wages of the employees of the housing organisation/quango.

Ragnar Lothbrok · 01-11-2018 10:27am

begbysback wrote: »

No scrounger here, pay a mortgage on a nice home, have a good job, third level education, money on the bank - I've been on welfare, and come from a working class background in a rough neighbourhood where social housing is the norm - I've seen how the majority of people in social housing live, little or no work, some can't even read or write, jails addiction and illnesses are common, medication for anxiety is rampant.

You can oversimplify it to "55 a week housing for the rest of your life" and get a good hate on, but remember, it's a package deal - and I wouldn't begrudge them or wish it on anyone.

happy xmas

Very occasionally there is a well written post on AH that is compassionate and thoughtful. This is one of them.

Well done begby

ThunbergsAreGo · 01-11-2018 10:27am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

What if people still can't afford affordable housing?

I never said to completely abolish Social Housing

bloodless_coup · 01-11-2018 10:33am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

What if people still can't afford affordable housing?

A few sheets of corrugated iron does wonders.

Tell me how · 01-11-2018 10:37am

doylefe wrote:

A few sheets of corrugated iron does wonders.

Yeah, this is actually the 21St century.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 01-11-2018 10:41am

wellwhynot wrote: »

Exactly but the County Councils and Government fund the purchase of the houses. The rent paid by the tenants is used to pay the wages of the employees of the housing organisation/quango.

What you will also find is that some people are refusing housing offers from these associations/agencies, one reason is that you cannot furnish these houses to the specification you desire, unlike a council house which is deemed for life and you can effectively do what you like to it once the planning/H&S laws aren't breached.

LirW · 01-11-2018 10:42am

I'm always wondering why all the people begrudging here aren't boarding the gravy train themselves?
Because every single on of them knows how miserable this life is being an outlaw with little to no perspective. Life is about so much more than just having a house for marginal rent for life. Long term unemployment is nothing to aspire to. You'll always be at grace of the state and these people are comfortable within the small wiggle room they have. These people are understimulated, have no drive, some are mentally ill as a result of this monotonous life of watching soaps, sleep long, going to Tesco and eat chipper food.
Yeah they might not work and are sorted because some loopholes exist (which is a topic in itself) but it's a pretty miserable life and I'd prefer paying big rent but have actual control over my life and got taught the right values to progress and taking care of myself.
The people getting all the hate here can't take care of themselves, they depend on mammy state and never evolve beyond their tiny estate they grew up and live in. Throw in addiction, mental illness and the defense mechanism of being an arseh0le to everyone who is an intellectual threat for you.

For me not worth giving up my independence and perspective for a life of small rent.
And people in social housing working pay more rent anyway but are still restricted since the vast majority earns a low wage.

Ulysses Gaze · 01-11-2018 10:43am

LeBash wrote: »

We do need social houses. There are people who genuinely are living in hotels and on the street.

The 1 annoying thing about it is, people working in Dublin (I'm sure other cities are similar) end up having to move 50+ km away from where they work because they can't afford to compete with their own tax money.

If someone is in need of social housing and isn't working, then they don't need to be inside the M50 or even Dublin. The person contributing to the social housing ends up with a 3 hour commute each day. That's just plain wrong.

Because the scrounger class needs a "Support Network" so cannot move away from "da Mammy".

But if you work and live 50 kms away from your parents? Hey...**** you. You don't need no stinkin' support network. Just continue to pump 2k a month into Creche fees if you have kidsand after school care and keep the system ticking over.

Ulysses Gaze · 01-11-2018 10:46am

LirW wrote: »

I'm always wondering why all the people begrudging here aren't boarding the gravy train themselves?
Because every single on of them knows how miserable this life is being an outlaw with little to no perspective. Life is about so much more than just having a house for marginal rent for life. Long term unemployment is nothing to aspire to. You'll always be at grace of the state and these people are comfortable within the small wiggle room they have. These people are understimulated, have no drive, some are mentally ill as a result of this monotonous life of watching soaps, sleep long, going to Tesco and eat chipper food.
Yeah they might not work and are sorted because some loopholes exist (which is a topic in itself) but it's a pretty miserable life and I'd prefer paying big rent but have actual control over my life and got taught the right values to progress and taking care of myself.
The people getting all the hate here can't take care of themselves, they depend on mammy state and never evolve beyond their tiny estate they grew up and live in. Throw in addiction, mental illness and the defense mechanism of being an arseh0le to everyone who is an intellectual threat for you.

For me not worth giving up my independence and perspective for a life of small rent.
And people in social housing working pay more rent anyway but are still restricted since the vast majority earns a low wage.

Because more and more of our income taxes are being taken to pay for these "useless eaters".

Berserker · 01-11-2018 10:47am

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Unfortunately we have a country where being lazy and refusing to get off your arse and get a job results in free houses and hand outs for everything. You can blame fianna fail and fine gael for this.

Plenty of things I'd blame FF and FG but the majority of the blame lies with the hard left here.

Wanderer78 wrote: »

They d hardly have addiction problems, would they?

All of these people have addiction problems?

LirW · 01-11-2018 10:49am

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Because more and more of our income taxes are being taken to pay for these "useless eaters".

I'm not saying that the way it is at the moment is right, there's a lot of improvement that needs to be done, but I don't get the whole glorifying of a wasteful lifestyle.
We had to move quite far out too and it is frustrating to see how it goes on. But I'd rather live far away and commute than living a life like that. It seems darn unattractive.

freelancerTax · 01-11-2018 10:50am

Try_harder wrote: »

Not a life I want or desire. But I dont begrudge those that need it

what about thoes that dont NEED it but just WANT it?

Tell me how · 01-11-2018 10:53am

freelancerTax wrote:

what about thoes that dont NEED it but just WANT it?

Proportionally, how many of these exist?

We hear about the extreme cases but there are always chancers stealing a living at every level of the pyramid.

Do we want a society who makes it very difficult/impossible for x number because a smaller y number will also benefit.

Doctors room ghost · 01-11-2018 10:54am

Berserker wrote: »

Plenty of things I'd blame FF and FG but the majority of the blame lies with the hard left here.

All of these people have addiction problems?

Addiction is only an easy go to excuse for lazy scroungers to justify their lifestyle. If they wanted to overcome their addiction there are plenty of treatment options open to them.a simple google search will tell you this

Kiith · 01-11-2018 11:11am

Social welfare (i include housing in this) needs an overhaul in this country imo. It's a great service, and is absolutely required in all countries, as there are always people who will need help to get themselves and their families out of tough situations. I may well end up in that category at some stage in my life, and am happy that there is a small safety net there for if it happens.

It should never be a choice though. You shouldn't be able to just sign up for a free house at 18 years old. You shouldn't be allowed to choose where you live, or turn down your free house for a better one. And you sure as hell shouldn't be getting anything from the state if you have shown yourself to be incapable of following the law (multiple previous convictions).

Social welfare needs to be managed better, monitored better, and there needs to be penalties for people who abuse the system.

01-11-2018 11:16am

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

Addiction is only an easy go to excuse for lazy scroungers to justify their lifestyle.If they wanted to overcome their addiction there are plenty of treatment options open to them.

Yes, I'm off to get a drug addiction in order to justify my lazy lifestyle to all the anonymous people online. Jesus wept.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 01-11-2018 11:24am

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, I'm off to get a drug addiction in order to justify my lazy lifestyle to all the anonymous people online. Jesus wept.

Alcohol is a drug addiction in itself and people do get disability for it.

Doctors room ghost · 01-11-2018 11:39am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes, I'm off to get a drug addiction in order to justify my lazy lifestyle to all the anonymous people online. Jesus wept.

I’m not saying you get an addiction to justify a lifestyle.im saying people who suffer addiction use whatever addiction it is as an excuse instead of getting treatment.
Addiction is now classed as an illness.whats your opinion on this?

Tell me how · 01-11-2018 11:43am

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

I’m not saying you get an addiction to justify a lifestyle.im saying people who suffer addiction use whatever addiction it is as an excuse instead of getting treatment.
Addiction is now classed as an illness.whats your opinion on this?

My opinion is that I trust the vast and extensive research which has been done in to this topic which lead to it being categorised as such.

Do you dispute the research? On what grounds?

Lyle Lanley · 01-11-2018 11:49am

Slanty wrote: »

Most of the working class don’t have there couple of holidays a year or surplus money sitting around.

Most are living week to week paying thousands a month to rent and working 40+ hours a week.

Then they've made poor choices. I've never worked a high paid job but I've seen a good chunk of the planet.

Doctors room ghost · 01-11-2018 11:55am

Tell me how wrote: »

My opinion is that I trust the vast and extensive research which has been done in to this topic which lead to it being categorised as such.

Do you dispute the research? On what grounds?

I don’t agree with the sweeping term of addiction being classed as an illness no.
Personally I’d class it as a behavior whose reason for developing could be many.childhood experiences,a form of abuse suffered,economic class,area person is from,people they associated with growing up etc.id therefore class it as a voluntary behavior on the persons part to begin with as nobody actually physically forced them to drink,smoke,inject,walk into a bookies.
This behavior can then lead to a chemical dependence through addiction to certain substances but detox from such chemicals are available and treatment an option.
So to class addiction as an illness when it begins as a behavior is therefore wrong in my opinion.

Tell me how · 01-11-2018 12:06pm

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

I don’t agree with the sweeping term of addiction being classed as an illness no.
Personally I’d class it as a behavior whose reason for developing could be many.childhood experiences,a form of abuse suffered,economic class,area person is from,people they associated with growing up etc.id therefore class it as a voluntary behavior on the persons part to begin with as nobody actually physically forced them to drink,smoke,inject,walk into a bookies.
This behavior can then lead to a chemical dependence through addiction to certain substances but detox from such chemicals are available and treatment an option.
So to class addiction as an illness when it begins as a behavior is therefore wrong in my opinion.

But many can try something without it developing in to an addiction.

Is it fair to castigate the alcoholic for becoming addicted when so many in the country also took a first drink at some point in their life?

listermint · 01-11-2018 12:09pm

I for one,

would absolutely love the people that start these threads week in week out, And there is a small cohort that do it. To go action their words.

Walk into the boss there and leave your job.

Then implement the plan you are reading in the articles you get so worked up about.

Why wouldnt you ?

I mean you can have all of that too!

Why should those people have something you cant have.

There is quite literally nothing stopping you. Go for it! You have my backing, you can post in here daily of your experiences of this new life so we can all keep track of how good it is.

Doctors room ghost · 01-11-2018 12:11pm

Tell me how wrote: »

But many can try something without it developing in to an addiction.

Is it fair to castigate the alcoholic for becoming addicted when so many in the country also took a first drink at some point in their life?

Fair point but maybe through education people may learn that trying something isn’t a forced behavior and more so a voluntary option and therefore the person is running the risks at their own will.

LirW · 01-11-2018 12:11pm

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

I don’t agree with the sweeping term of addiction being classed as an illness no.
Personally I’d class it as a behavior whose reason for developing could be many.childhood experiences,a form of abuse suffered,economic class,area person is from,people they associated with growing up etc.id therefore class it as a voluntary behavior on the persons part to begin with as nobody actually physically forced them to drink,smoke,inject,walk into a bookies.
This behavior can then lead to a chemical dependence through addiction to certain substances but detox from such chemicals are available and treatment an option.
So to class addiction as an illness when it begins as a behavior is therefore wrong in my opinion.

Fortunately you're not the science defining addiction then. If you had ever anything to do with an addict in your immediate family, you might talk differently about it.
My dad was an addict (alcohol) when I was little and he almost got both of us killed in traffic. He was indeed a very sick man at the time. He's sober for a long time now but needs to maintain a certain pattern in life and find ways to distract him from destructive addictive behaviour. It's on ongoing battle.
I also have a close friend who's recovering from opiate addiction and there were plenty of relapses.
If it only would be so easy to just stop drinking etc.

Gimme A Pound · 01-11-2018 12:13pm

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listermint wrote: »

I for one,

would absolutely love the people that start these threads week in week out, And there is a small cohort that do it. To go action their words.

Walk into the boss there and leave your job.

Then implement the plan you are reading in the articles you get so worked up about.

Why wouldnt you ?

I mean you can have all of that too!

Why should those people have something you cant have.

There is quite literally nothing stopping you. Go for it! You have my backing, you can post in here daily of your experiences of this new life so we can all keep track of how good it is.

The "Go on benefits yourself so" rebuttal is not an effective argument in my opinion.

People don't have to want to experience a particular lifestyle to have an opinion on it.

The people being referred to are not people who need social welfare because they have lost their job and are finding it difficult to secure another one, or have an illness or disability or their partner/spouse died/became ill/left. Why is it always insisted that the above folk are those being referred to when freeloading is criticised? It's like an argument is being looked for.

There are people who are completely exploiting the system and taking funds from those who actually need them, and there is a self entitlement/abdication of personal responsibility culture. There is nothing wrong with criticising these sponges.

House for life for 55 euro a week.

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