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Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, I'm off to get a drug addiction in order to justify my lazy lifestyle to all the anonymous people online. Jesus wept.

Alcohol is a drug addiction in itself and people do get disability for it.

Doctors room ghost

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes, I'm off to get a drug addiction in order to justify my lazy lifestyle to all the anonymous people online. Jesus wept.

I’m not saying you get an addiction to justify a lifestyle.im saying people who suffer addiction use whatever addiction it is as an excuse instead of getting treatment.
Addiction is now classed as an illness.whats your opinion on this?

Tell me how

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

I’m not saying you get an addiction to justify a lifestyle.im saying people who suffer addiction use whatever addiction it is as an excuse instead of getting treatment.
Addiction is now classed as an illness.whats your opinion on this?

My opinion is that I trust the vast and extensive research which has been done in to this topic which lead to it being categorised as such.

Do you dispute the research? On what grounds?

Lyle Lanley

Slanty wrote: »

Most of the working class don’t have there couple of holidays a year or surplus money sitting around.

Most are living week to week paying thousands a month to rent and working 40+ hours a week.

Then they've made poor choices. I've never worked a high paid job but I've seen a good chunk of the planet.

Doctors room ghost

Tell me how wrote: »

My opinion is that I trust the vast and extensive research which has been done in to this topic which lead to it being categorised as such.

Do you dispute the research? On what grounds?

I don’t agree with the sweeping term of addiction being classed as an illness no.
Personally I’d class it as a behavior whose reason for developing could be many.childhood experiences,a form of abuse suffered,economic class,area person is from,people they associated with growing up etc.id therefore class it as a voluntary behavior on the persons part to begin with as nobody actually physically forced them to drink,smoke,inject,walk into a bookies.
This behavior can then lead to a chemical dependence through addiction to certain substances but detox from such chemicals are available and treatment an option.
So to class addiction as an illness when it begins as a behavior is therefore wrong in my opinion.

Tell me how

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

I don’t agree with the sweeping term of addiction being classed as an illness no.
Personally I’d class it as a behavior whose reason for developing could be many.childhood experiences,a form of abuse suffered,economic class,area person is from,people they associated with growing up etc.id therefore class it as a voluntary behavior on the persons part to begin with as nobody actually physically forced them to drink,smoke,inject,walk into a bookies.
This behavior can then lead to a chemical dependence through addiction to certain substances but detox from such chemicals are available and treatment an option.
So to class addiction as an illness when it begins as a behavior is therefore wrong in my opinion.

But many can try something without it developing in to an addiction.

Is it fair to castigate the alcoholic for becoming addicted when so many in the country also took a first drink at some point in their life?

listermint

I for one,

would absolutely love the people that start these threads week in week out, And there is a small cohort that do it. To go action their words.

Walk into the boss there and leave your job.

Then implement the plan you are reading in the articles you get so worked up about.

Why wouldnt you ?

I mean you can have all of that too!

Why should those people have something you cant have.



There is quite literally nothing stopping you. Go for it! You have my backing, you can post in here daily of your experiences of this new life so we can all keep track of how good it is.

Doctors room ghost

Tell me how wrote: »

But many can try something without it developing in to an addiction.

Is it fair to castigate the alcoholic for becoming addicted when so many in the country also took a first drink at some point in their life?

Fair point but maybe through education people may learn that trying something isn’t a forced behavior and more so a voluntary option and therefore the person is running the risks at their own will.

LirW

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

I don’t agree with the sweeping term of addiction being classed as an illness no.
Personally I’d class it as a behavior whose reason for developing could be many.childhood experiences,a form of abuse suffered,economic class,area person is from,people they associated with growing up etc.id therefore class it as a voluntary behavior on the persons part to begin with as nobody actually physically forced them to drink,smoke,inject,walk into a bookies.
This behavior can then lead to a chemical dependence through addiction to certain substances but detox from such chemicals are available and treatment an option.
So to class addiction as an illness when it begins as a behavior is therefore wrong in my opinion.

Fortunately you're not the science defining addiction then. If you had ever anything to do with an addict in your immediate family, you might talk differently about it.
My dad was an addict (alcohol) when I was little and he almost got both of us killed in traffic. He was indeed a very sick man at the time. He's sober for a long time now but needs to maintain a certain pattern in life and find ways to distract him from destructive addictive behaviour. It's on ongoing battle.
I also have a close friend who's recovering from opiate addiction and there were plenty of relapses.
If it only would be so easy to just stop drinking etc.

Gimme A Pound

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listermint wrote: »

I for one,

would absolutely love the people that start these threads week in week out, And there is a small cohort that do it. To go action their words.

Walk into the boss there and leave your job.

Then implement the plan you are reading in the articles you get so worked up about.

Why wouldnt you ?

I mean you can have all of that too!

Why should those people have something you cant have.



There is quite literally nothing stopping you. Go for it! You have my backing, you can post in here daily of your experiences of this new life so we can all keep track of how good it is.

The "Go on benefits yourself so" rebuttal is not an effective argument in my opinion.

People don't have to want to experience a particular lifestyle to have an opinion on it.

The people being referred to are not people who need social welfare because they have lost their job and are finding it difficult to secure another one, or have an illness or disability or their partner/spouse died/became ill/left. Why is it always insisted that the above folk are those being referred to when freeloading is criticised? It's like an argument is being looked for.

There are people who are completely exploiting the system and taking funds from those who actually need them, and there is a self entitlement/abdication of personal responsibility culture. There is nothing wrong with criticising these sponges.

listermint

Delaney Thankful Bathrobe wrote: »

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The "Go on benefits yourself so" rebuttal is not an effective argument in my opinion.

People don't have to want to experience a particular lifestyle to have an opinion on it.

The people being referred to are not people who need social welfare because they have lost their job and are finding it difficult to secure another one, or have an illness or disability or their partner/spouse died/became ill/left. Why is it always insisted that the above folk are those being referred to when freeloading is criticised? It's like an argument is being looked for.

There are people who are completely exploiting the system and taking funds from those who actually need them, and there is a self entitlement/abdication of personal responsibility culture. There is nothing wrong with criticising these sponges.

Im afraid it is a fair rebuttal when the claims are made in such a way that people are 'living it up'

Its actually a kin to the foreigners being given free Prams and leaving them at bus-stops.


Id urge people to go off and quit their jobs and live it up like these folks. We can all then get outraged about how awesome it is.

Tell me how

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

Fair point but maybe through education people may learn that trying something isn’t a forced behavior and more so a voluntary option and therefore the person is running the risks at their own will.

Yes, but, many still have a good relationship with alcohol. Are you suggesting that it be banned entirely just because some, unfortunately, end up being addicted to it?

And should there be outright bans on smoking, and gambling, and pornography, and various foods which people become addicted to.

How do you think the population would react to such laws when we are currently in a place where the government is often accused of already being too much involved in peoples lives?

Diceicle

PapaOscar wrote: »

most of these poxbottles will never get to step foot out of Ireland. I cant imagine not having a couple of holidays a year or having money there to do whatever with.

Most probably, however, a woman I'm acquainted with:- doesn't work officially, works a couple of hours a week for cash in a kitchen. Has a house in Dublin 8 costing €80 per week. Holidays in Thailand every year.
I wouldn't think this example is much of an outlier.

listermint

Diceicle wrote: »

Most probably, however, a woman I'm acquainted with:- doesn't work officially, works a couple of hours a week for cash in a kitchen. Has a house in Dublin 8 costing €80 per week. Holidays in Thailand every year.
I wouldn't think this example is much of an outlier.

Report her to the Welfare number then.


Since this story is true and you are annoyed about it.

Nermal

listermint wrote: »

Im afraid it is a fair rebuttal when the claims are made in such a way that people are 'living it up'

'Living it up' in proportion to their productivity. Not in absolute terms.

Nermal

Nermal wrote: »

'Living it up' in proportion to their productivity. Not in absolute terms.

There are tons of rich people who produce absolutely nothing and are "living it up" in every sense. Thomas Piketty's Capitalism in the 21st Century should be required reading for everybody who posts on this subject in After Hours.

Summary of Piketty, Part 3: inherited capital

PlaneSpeeking

Deleted User wrote: »

There are tons of rich people who produce absolutely nothing and are "living it up" in every sense. Thomas Piketty's Capitalism in the 21st Century should be required reading for everybody who posts on this subject in After Hours.

Summary of Piketty, Part 3: inherited capital

Remind me how much of my taxes go to support Lord Henry and his lot ?

That's right - **** all. But the gob****es getting free houses sure get their (un)fair share!

Tell me how

Deleted User wrote:

There are tons of rich people who produce absolutely nothing and are "living it up" in every sense. Thomas Piketty's Capitalism in the 21st Century should be required reading for everybody who posts on this subject in After Hours.

Or look at the major Brexiteers.

studdlymurphy

KERSPLAT! wrote:

Rent is means tested. Your income increases then so does your rent.

So then discourages working? That'll help get them back working

Farfromhome02

Just focus on your own life and keep your nose out of what other people are doing.

Wheeliebin30

listermint wrote: »

I for one,

would absolutely love the people that start these threads week in week out, And there is a small cohort that do it. To go action their words.

Walk into the boss there and leave your job.

Then implement the plan you are reading in the articles you get so worked up about.

Why wouldnt you ?

I mean you can have all of that too!

Why should those people have something you cant have.



There is quite literally nothing stopping you. Go for it! You have my backing, you can post in here daily of your experiences of this new life so we can all keep track of how good it is.

I have pride, dignity, respect and a work ethic.

I want to contribute to society and I want my kids to learn the same values.

Just because something is easy to manipulate and scam doesn’t mean we should all do it.

Wheeliebin30

Farfromhome02 wrote: »

Just focus on your own life and keep your nose out of what other people are doing.

Should we do that in all aspects of life?

Crime, sexual abuse??

Doctors room ghost

Tell me how wrote: »

Yes, but, many still have a good relationship with alcohol. Are you suggesting that it be banned entirely just because some, unfortunately, end up being addicted to it?

And should there be outright bans on smoking, and gambling, and pornography, and various foods which people become addicted to.

How do you think the population would react to such laws when we are currently in a place where the government is often accused of already being too much involved in peoples lives?

I’m not saying anything should be banned.all those items you mention should be available to people who choose to indulge in them in moderation without them causing life changing problems for people.
Manys the lad who enjoys a pint and gets up for work.
Manys the lad who backs a horse and still pays a mortgage.
People need to own the behavior they display and be responsible for their own actions.
Hiding behind the term illness for a sufferer of addiction is wrong in my opinion.there are many options available such as treatment and medical detoxes.medication is also available to prevent cravings and to remove a persons willingness to consume alcohol.

Berserker

listermint wrote: »

I for one,

would absolutely love the people that start these threads week in week out, And there is a small cohort that do it. To go action their words.

Walk into the boss there and leave your job.

You don't have to experience something to have an opinion on it. Secondly, this wouldn't work. If they resigned they'd have to wait six months, I believe, before they can claim their dole money.

Deleted User wrote: »

There are tons of rich people who produce absolutely nothing and are "living it up" in every sense.

Can you expand on this? Can you give us some example of these people?

Plumbthedepths

My wife is in a shop at the moment browsing. I'm sat at a cafe bar in central Prague writing this. Off work for the week enjoying a city break. Life is to short to get bitter over this crap.

Greyfox

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

My wife is in a shop at the moment browsing. I'm sat at a cafe bar in central Prague writing this. Off work for the week enjoying a city break. Life is to short to get bitter over this crap.

So we should do nothing while a small minority abuse the system? Should we ignore everything else that's wrong with the country too

Greyfox

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

My wife is in a shop at the moment browsing. I'm sat at a cafe bar in central Prague writing this. Off work for the week enjoying a city break. Life is to short to get bitter over this crap.

So we should do nothing while a small minority abuse the system? Should we ignore everything else that's wrong with the country too

Plumbthedepths

Greyfox wrote:

So we should do nothing while a small minority abuse the system? Should we ignore everything else that's wrong with the country too

Ring Whineline, Joe will sort it out.

Deebles McBeebles

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

My wife is in a shop at the moment browsing. I'm sat at a cafe bar in central Prague writing this. Off work for the week enjoying a city break. Life is to short to get bitter over this crap.

Yeah. I'm sitting in an office, working. Meanwhile there are people who have more than me who have never gotten up before noon unless they have to sign on early.

ThunbergsAreGo

Greyfox wrote: »

So we should do nothing while a small minority abuse the system? Should we ignore everything else that's wrong with the country too

Its only a small few who murder, let them at it