Rosslare Container Migrants disappear from Direct Provision Centre

Ironicname · 24-11-2019 2:48pm

thenightman wrote:

Can't beat this schizophrenic/xenophobic forum. Moan that they managed to make it here and that we will be stuck footing the bill for their stay in direct provision.

It's a very special type of stupid that thinks it's xenophobic to complain about our leniency towards illegal immigrants.

thenightman wrote:

Now when we learn that some of them have fecked off out of the state, most likely to join family in the UK. I'm sure some of you are disappointed to see that these folks didn't see Ireland as an easy to fleece haven! Now ye are advocating that the state should have spent more money locking them up 24/7 and attempting detailed background checks (which coincidentally none of you know the Gardai with the assistance of Inter/Europol haven't done)

It's also very stupid to expect people who have problems with the attitude towards illegal immigrants not to point out how our system is being exploited.

But sure, play the xenophobic card. You tolerant, woke, champion of the immigrants.

road_high · 24-11-2019 2:51pm

Who says they’re even gone to England? They could be holed up anywhere here

mgn · 24-11-2019 2:52pm

Charlie & co branding people racist because the object to refugee centers in there towns, is this not a a good enough reason to object.
For F*uck sake 14 men that nobody knows or where the come from, who broke into someone's truck causing 100s of thousands of damage, not to mention the reputation of the owner and driver, to be let roam the streets the next day is beyond a joke.
Where is Charlie Flanagan hiding today to be asked what happened.

Houston we have a problem

Delta2113 · 24-11-2019 2:56pm

"It was not compulsory for people to stay in the accommodation offered by the State and as they are not detained, they can leave the accommodation at any time they choose."

- I'll just leave that here!

_Brian · 24-11-2019 2:56pm

Mules wrote: »

Why are the migrants so keen to go to the UK from France. Are the French less generous with benefits or is there something else?

Maybe they know English and not French ?
Easier getting illegal work if you speak the language

mgn · 24-11-2019 2:58pm

Delta2113 wrote: »

"It was not compulsory for people to stay in the accommodation offered by the State and as they are not detained, they can leave the accommodation at any time they choose."

- I'll just leave that here!

Have the being charged with breaking into the truck.

riemann · 24-11-2019 2:59pm

The Department of Justice has said it cannot comment on reports that some of the 15 men who were found earlier this week in the back of a lorry on a boat travelling from France to Rosslare have left the direct provision system.

A number of Sunday newspapers have reported that nine of the 15 men have left the reception centre where they were being processed.

One juvenile who was travelling with the group is in the care of the Child and Family Agency Tusla.

In a statement, the Department of Justice said it does not comment on individual cases.

It said that it has a legal obligation to protect the privacy of anyone who makes a claim for international protection.

But it said it was not compulsory for people to stay in the accommodation offered by the State and as they are not detained, they can leave the accommodation at any time they choose.

In a statement, gardaí said the 15 adults "continue to be offered accommodation and welfare services by Reception and Integration Agency" and their application for international protection continues.

It also said that a criminal investigation is ongoing.

Something is seriously wrong with society. Illegally enter a country. Claim asylum and then just head off wherever you like, and the state continue to offer welfare services?

Imagine if these lads wished to do harm? Lets face it, they've not arrived from the Isle of Man.

Charlie Flanagan must resign. Just last week he expressed full confidence in the states ability to deal with asylum seekers, he is clearly not fit for purpose.

Seamai · 24-11-2019 3:05pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The Government have been bladdering on about no hard border for the last 3 years and not once in any RTE/TV3 debate has anyone apart from Fintan O Toole mentioned the fact that someone will be just able to cross over into a non EU country if no checks are in place.

Now I disagree with 99.9% of what O Toole says but he's spot on on this one.

It's bloody ridiculous that lads can arrive on the back of a truck and have the same rights as someone who follows the rules and looks to enter our country legally, it just makes a mockery of the whole process.

I often feel like a voice in the wilderness in my opinion that we have to have a harder border between the Republic and the North should Brexit come to pass to protect OURSELVES.

ThunbergsAreGo · 24-11-2019 3:06pm

This is a farce

Atlantic Dawn · 24-11-2019 3:07pm

Surely as a duty of care the government should have their photos now up seeking information as to their wherabouts, what if some slave trader has taken them?

EmmetSpiceland · 24-11-2019 3:08pm

Seamai wrote: »

I often feel like a voice in the wilderness in my opinion that we have to have a harder border between the Republic and the North should Brexit come to pass to protect OURSELVES.

Then get the EU to send French and Germans to man it so neither side will take pot shots at it.

An EU border is less problematic than an Irish one.

24-11-2019 3:13pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Surely as a duty of care the government should have their photos now up seeking information as to their wherabouts, what if some slave trader has taken them?

Waste of time.

These people are "sans papers" to many authorities now and they have washed their hands of them.

mgn · 24-11-2019 3:16pm

Anyone else see the documentary Smuggled on channel 4 about 2 weeks ago,
It was mainly about how easy it was to get into the UK, just an experiment with ordinary people.
One case where the came from France into Rosslare then travelled up the north.
Worth a watch.

Fann Linn · 24-11-2019 3:18pm

wellwhynot wrote: »

Agreed. It is incomprehensible that there was no monitoring at all. I believe 9 have fled up North.

With Brexit and the huge border issue ongoing I am shocked at the incompetence of our government. Already many of our failed asylum seekers have disappeared assumed gone up North to get to the UK.

Can someone competent please take control of our borders please?

I'm not shocked at all.

AlekSmart · 24-11-2019 3:26pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Waste of time.

These people are "sans papers" to many authorities now and they have washed their hands of them.

In the interests of Fairness,Equality,Freedom of Movement,Information and Parity of Esteem etc,it should be noted that being "sans papiers" is the very FIRST item on the young emigré checklist. Item no. 1. Do NOT be in possession of ANY ideniity or Travel Documentation.

Minister Flanagan is to be commended on his reluctance to be fully handwashed on the issue,whilst all around him the electorate is busy drying it's lamhaí...

Wasting valuable Ministerial time....

statesaver · 24-11-2019 3:30pm

Someone in the Irish government is going to get an ear full from the UK government and rightfully so.

Irish government don't seem to care who enters illegally or leaves the country illegally.

Clowns the lot of them.

Beechwoodspark · 24-11-2019 3:37pm

road_high wrote: »

Who says they’re even gone to England? They could be holed up anywhere here

This is the thing.

Very much doubt any kind of risk assessment was done in the few hours the Irish authorities had them in their “control”.

Vague reports they were Kurds who wanted to go to the UK and ended up here....

Let’s be honest They could literally be up to anything and we the public are none the wiser.

johnnyfruitcake · 24-11-2019 3:45pm

Maybe they might go on a mass stabbing spree and then the government might actually look at the problem

Spanish Eyes · 24-11-2019 3:51pm

Looks like Verona Murphy was correct. She might top the poll now.

Other politicians take note. We are not idiots even if you treat us as if we are.

This issue will not go away now. Silly taxpayers money and handholding towards what is largely a bunch of rich people who are in a position to pay traffickers for this. And we don't have a clue who they are.

We are being taken for mugs. I often wonder what is the force behind the benevolence towards those who arrive illegally, undocumented and mainly bogus. It's a bit weird.

_Kaiser_ · 24-11-2019 4:12pm

johnnyfruitcake wrote: »

Maybe they might go on a mass stabbing spree and then the government might actually look at the problem

Unfortunately things like this (huge incidents of antisocial and threatening behaviour) are already happening in certain parts of Leinster and being loudly ignored and dismissed by our media and advocate types. We've also seen attempts at a mass "smash and grab" in Cork recently that was twarted at the last moment.

It probably will take a mass attack in this country before the Government is forced to take action - and by then it'll probably be too late.

We always seem to have to do things the hard way. We're great at looking for "attaboys" from abroad, not so much at learning from their mistakes!

Infini · 24-11-2019 4:21pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

We are being taken for mugs. I often wonder what is the force behind the benevolence towards those who arrive illegally, undocumented and mainly bogus. It's a bit weird.

I'd say the issue with them is that they're too soft hearted to admit it to themselves, I can understand that many are coming from utterly horrible situations but at the same time many of us are wary of taking in people like this, multiculturism is a failure of a policy when those who come dont integrate or worse push regressive and obsolete views on society and wall themaelves off from the rest of the community.

On top of that its obvious that theres those are gaming the system to get in, those that came on the boat should have been deported back to France and asylum should not be offered unless they legally present themselves at a point of entry to the state, if they're found to have entered the state illegally then they should be returned to the last state they came from.

I honestly think this will become less of an issue if theres a UI vote passing in a few years as there wont be a back door into the UK at that point. They dont want to come here in general as they'll be left in the DP system in limbo.

iHungry · 24-11-2019 4:31pm

Who the hell is running this country? It's beyond belief what's going on.

Viscount Aggro · 24-11-2019 4:43pm

Guy on RTE radio show this morning, Refugee Council of Ireland...
Saying Ireland can support 7 - 8 million population - we should be investing more in infrastructure to plan for this.

mgn · 24-11-2019 4:48pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Looks like Verona Murphy was correct. She might top the poll now.

Other politicians take note. We are not idiots even if you treat us as if we are.

This issue will not go away now. Silly taxpayers money and handholding towards what is largely a bunch of rich people who are in a position to pay traffickers for this. And we don't have a clue who they are.

We are being taken for mugs. I often wonder what is the force behind the benevolence towards those who arrive illegally, undocumented and mainly bogus. It's a bit weird.

Waste of a vote if you think Verona Murphy is going to be and different than rest of the spineless politicians we already have.
I lost any respect i had for her, when she ran off to the refugee center the following day with Flanagan and ticked off like a schoolkid.
Above all people she was at the coal face of transport industry, and knows the problems with illegal immigration into the country and what transport companies have to deal with every day of the week.
So as soon as she spoke up, she was shut down and she accepted it, so in my book she will be just another nodding robot.

wellwhynot · 24-11-2019 4:50pm

We are being enriched. Multiculturalism is our strength. All asylum seekers to Ireland are families and women fleeing war. We are the land of a thousand welcomes. The Irish emigrated during the famine so it is only fair we accept absolutely anyone who comes to our shores and transport them to the nearest hotel all expenses paid.

The government and media is trying to brain wash us with above when THEIR own statistics not estimated or guesstimated show that 97% are not accepted because they are bogus.

If the fakers were deported immediately nstead of spending €200 million per year on direct provision accommodation it would cost €6 million.

Galwayguy35 · 24-11-2019 4:52pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Looks like Verona Murphy was correct. She might top the poll now.

Other politicians take note. We are not idiots even if you treat us as if we are.

This issue will not go away now. Silly taxpayers money and handholding towards what is largely a bunch of rich people who are in a position to pay traffickers for this. And we don't have a clue who they are.

We are being taken for mugs. I often wonder what is the force behind the benevolence towards those who arrive illegally, undocumented and mainly bogus. It's a bit weird.

Murphy was correct and if she hadn't bottled it and went back on what she said I think she would have a lot more respect from voters but she bowed to pressure from FG and begged forgivness for doing nothing wrong at all.

Grealish might have got his figures wrong on what he said in the Dail but the speech he made in Oughterard saying a lot of them just come here to play the system was 100% correct, and more importantly he didn't fall on his sword when the D4 media and spineless liberal left TDs attacked him.

Spanish Eyes · 24-11-2019 4:55pm

mgn wrote: »

Waste of a vote if you think Verona Murphy is going to be and different than rest of the spineless politicians we already have.
I lost any respect i had for her, when she ran off to the refugee center the following day with Flanagan and ticked off like a schoolkid.
Above all people she was at the coal face of transport industry, and knows the problems with illegal immigration into the country and what transport companies have to deal with every day of the week.
So as soon as she spoke up, she was shut down and she accepted it, so in my book she will be just another nodding robot.

Oh I know, I am as sceptical as anyone about politicians.

But she opened up the issue in fairness, and whether she complies with PC regulations going forward or not is not the issue, it is the fact that she had the cojones to mention it in the first place.

Opens up the debate somewhat. Anyway I am not hopeful that ordinary people's views will be taken account when we are muzzled by a compliant media who just toe the party line all the time and are totally on the side of mass immigration and doing away with DP and all the rest of it.

Good job we have forums where we can air our views impartially.

wellwhynot · 24-11-2019 4:57pm

wellwhynot wrote: »

We are being enriched. Multiculturalism is our strength. All asylum seekers to Ireland are families and women fleeing war. We are the land of a thousand welcomes. The Irish emigrated during the famine so it is only fair we accept absolutely anyone who comes to our shores and transport them to the nearest hotel all expenses paid.

The government and media is trying to brain wash us with above when THEIR own statistics not estimated or guesstimated show that 97% are not accepted because they are bogus.

If the fakers were deported immediately nstead of spending €200 million per year on direct provision accommodation it would cost €6 million.

I meant to add that I have zero problem with people that came here to work through proper legal channels EU/non-EU and believe we have benefitted from having them here.

mgn · 24-11-2019 5:00pm

iHungry wrote: »

Who the hell is running this country? It's beyond belief what's going on.

There is a clown called Leo running the show.
The same Leo can do no wrong, everyone from the print/media and RTE are scared sh*tless to say anything about him, why you might ask, because the would be branded racist or homophobic, the man is beyond useless but never held to account because the know what will be made of out of it.

bloopy · 24-11-2019 5:10pm

Why are the government showing such a lackadaisical attitude to this f***-up.
There are 11 people who illegally entered the country. We don't know who they are, their backgrounds, where they have gone or even if they are still in the country.

And the governments response is a big auld 'Meh!' .
What the hell are we doing here?

Bobblehats · 24-11-2019 5:26pm

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

Guy on RTE radio show this morning, Refugee Council of Ireland...
Saying Ireland can support 7 - 8 million population - we should be investing more in infrastructure to plan for this.

This.

bigroad · 24-11-2019 5:29pm

It looks like our government couldn't care less about the safety of the Irish citizen.
Unfortunately it will take a murder/rape/truck into crowd ect before Leo and fg/ff to wake up.

Pretzill · 24-11-2019 5:31pm

I can't believe this story. It's just mad. I read that there's a possibility the driver of the truck was gassed so that he slept through the breach into the container. Then these migrants are offered asylum which they don't really have to take - they can be just left to wander around the country and we don't know who they are, if they are a security threat or not?

It's making a mockery of our borders and security for our citezins. But it's just shrug the shoulders and move on...unreal.

riemann · 24-11-2019 5:31pm

mgn wrote: »

she will be just another nodding robot.

Most people know these apologies are just a little stunt to keep the media happy, nobody gives a **** really.

I have no idea how she is predicted to do but this week would surely have improved her chances overall? A lot more publicity than the other candidates combined.

veetwin · 24-11-2019 5:35pm

KindOfIrish wrote: »

You mixed up sides I'm afraid. 95% of illegal immigrants and asylum seekers in Ireland came from UK.

And 93.7% of statistics are made up on the spot.

I presume you have a source to back up the above claim?

Danzy · 24-11-2019 5:39pm

Mules wrote: »

Why are the migrants so keen to go to the UK from France. Are the French less generous with benefits or is there something else?

Much easier to work under the radar in Britain, more generous welfare on top of that.

Wibbs · 24-11-2019 5:45pm

Danzy wrote: »

Much easier to work under the radar in Britain, more generous welfare on top of that.

Whatever about working under the radar which is true D, no way do they have more generous welfare than Ireland. The dole in the UK is around a third of what is awarded here. Carers and disability allowances are way less and far harder to get too. Outside of economic dodgy European nations the UK has one of the lowest social safety nets in Europe. While the social welfare system is in need of an overhaul here as far as the chancers go you'd not want to be down on your luck in the UK relying on their system.

Charles Babbage · 24-11-2019 5:48pm

Seamai wrote: »

I often feel like a voice in the wilderness in my opinion that we have to have a harder border between the Republic and the North should Brexit come to pass to protect OURSELVES.

That's because you are spinning fairytales. A harder border of any practical design would merely inconvenience people without having any affect on illegal immigrants etc.

Harvey Weinstein · 24-11-2019 5:50pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Looks like Verona Murphy was correct. She might top the poll now.

Other politicians take note. We are not idiots even if you treat us as if we are.

This issue will not go away now. Silly taxpayers money and handholding towards what is largely a bunch of rich people who are in a position to pay traffickers for this. And we don't have a clue who they are.

We are being taken for mugs. I often wonder what is the force behind the benevolence towards those who arrive illegally, undocumented and mainly bogus. It's a bit weird.

The Govt are under orders from the EU and financial elites to dilute the population of Ireland (to the point of indigenous Irish becoming a minority) with immigrants/migrants... a plantation in other words.

The reasons for this are multifaceted, firstly to dissolve any sense of Nationhood and essentially abolish the Nation State in order that there is little or no resistance to the coming Eu federal superstate. Divided nations cannot come together to resist the Globalist onslaught.
Another reason is the GDP driven ponzi scheme which needs endless increasing numbers of new consumers to prop up the system.
Most Irish people will reject this hypothesis but it is a plain as day that this is whats happening.

You're witnessing another planned and deliberate plantation of Ireland and the idea that its simply incompetence by the Govt is of course nonsense..they know exactly what they're doing.
The problem is the 'Paddy Last' Micks will only have the courage and brains to acknowledge whats happening at the point when its far too late to stop it..and this is exactly what our leaders are counting on.

corks finest · 24-11-2019 5:57pm

Our gardai,our p.c. left Libbie's etc are to blame, FFS just as well Isis don't plan on arriving ( try) we as a so called sovereign state-need to cop the Fu*k on

corks finest · 24-11-2019 5:58pm

wellwhynot wrote:

Agreed. It is incomprehensible that there was no monitoring at all. I believe 9 have fled up North.

Couldn't make it up ,now you see me
Now you don't
What an absolute arse of a p.c. left agenda country we inhabit

EmmetSpiceland · 24-11-2019 5:58pm

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

The Govt are under orders from the EU and financial elites to dilute the population of Ireland (to the point of indigenous Irish becoming a minority) with immigrants/migrants... a plantation in other words.

Playing the long, long, long “game” are they?

How long, and many, do you think it would take for the “native” Irish to become a minority?

Spanish Eyes · 24-11-2019 6:00pm

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

The Govt are under orders from the EU and financial elites to dilute the population of Ireland (to the point of indigenous Irish becoming a minority) with immigrants/migrants... a plantation in other words.

The reasons for this are multifaceted, firstly to dissolve any sense of Nationhood and essentially abolish the Nation State in order that there is little or no resistance to the coming Eu federal superstate. Divided nations cannot come together to resist the Globalist onslaught.
Another reason is the GDP driven ponzi scheme which needs endless increasing numbers of new consumers to prop up the system.
Most Irish people will reject this hypothesis but it is a plain as day that this is whats happening.

You're witnessing another planned and deliberate plantation of Ireland and the idea that its simply incompetence by the Govt is of course nonsense..they know exactly what they're doing.
The problem is the 'Paddy Last' Micks will only have the courage and brains to acknowledge whats happening at the point when its far too late to stop it..and this is exactly what our leaders are counting on.

There is definitely a plan alright. Not sure what it is though, however your theories are as good as we are going to get now.

The irony is that everyone with a brain knows there is a master plan behind these shenanigans, but no one really knows what it is, or who the masters actually are.

I sound like a conspiracy theory nut here, my apologies, but realistically the situation is so bizarre that anything is possible I suppose.

The fight back has to start somewhere. But then again if you open your mouth you are a RACIST. Honestly thought we lived in a free country, but having some doubts now, particularly since MSM either refuse to report or spin it.

corks finest · 24-11-2019 6:01pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote:

ISIS members donâ€™t usually travel in shipping containers, they fly or, at least, go by ferry.

You'd be kinda wrong there' bud, every opportunity is used by any extremist organisation

Harvey Weinstein · 24-11-2019 6:06pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Playing the long, long, long “game” are they?

How long, and many, do you think it would take for the “native” Irish to become a minority?

About 20 years if we're lucky.
As was said on this thread the Refugee Council of Ireland just this morning, said we can take a population of 7-8 million.
Eamonn Ryan stated that we need to bring our population to 10 million.
Simon Coveny stated that we will be taking 500k migrants in the next couple of decades and I think you can double or treble that estimate.
Take a look at Irish birth rates, the population is not going to reach these figures from Irish births alone.

Ulysses Gaze · 24-11-2019 6:08pm

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

The Govt are under orders from the EU and financial elites to dilute the population of Ireland (to the point of indigenous Irish becoming a minority) with immigrants/migrants... a plantation in other words.

The reasons for this are multifaceted, firstly to dissolve any sense of Nationhood and essentially abolish the Nation State in order that there is little or no resistance to the coming Eu federal superstate. Divided nations cannot come together to resist the Globalist onslaught.
Another reason is the GDP driven ponzi scheme which needs endless increasing numbers of new consumers to prop up the system.
Most Irish people will reject this hypothesis but it is a plain as day that this is whats happening.

You're witnessing another planned and deliberate plantation of Ireland and the idea that its simply incompetence by the Govt is of course nonsense..they know exactly what they're doing.
The problem is the 'Paddy Last' Micks will only have the courage and brains to acknowledge whats happening at the point when its far too late to stop it..and this is exactly what our leaders are counting on.

It's more likely the EU will, like the Soviet Union, collapse due to over-expansion into the rabidly nationalist countries in the Balkans (and talks of Albania, Turkey and other basket case countries) and losing a key financial contributor in the UK with maybe a few more to follow.

I give the EU 20 years before it fractures completely.

Del.Monte · 24-11-2019 6:11pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Playing the long, long, long “game” are they?

How long, and many, do you think it would take for the “native” Irish to become a minority?

Not long at the rate we are going.

I find these dated CSO figures alarming: https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp7md/p7md/p7anii/

and this dated Irish TImes article: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/number-with-dual-irish-nationality-soars-by-nearly-90-1.3229081

EmmetSpiceland · 24-11-2019 6:18pm

corks finest wrote: »

You'd be kinda wrong there' bud, every opportunity is used by any extremist organisation

I don’t think ISIS would waste money, and training, on sending “operatives” in shipping containers, or in dinghies, where they could easily die.

woohoo!!! · 24-11-2019 6:19pm

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

The Govt are under orders from the EU and financial elites to dilute the population of Ireland (to the point of indigenous Irish becoming a minority) with immigrants/migrants... a plantation in other words.

The reasons for this are multifaceted, firstly to dissolve any sense of Nationhood and essentially abolish the Nation State in order that there is little or no resistance to the coming Eu federal superstate. Divided nations cannot come together to resist the Globalist onslaught.
Another reason is the GDP driven ponzi scheme which needs endless increasing numbers of new consumers to prop up the system.
Most Irish people will reject this hypothesis but it is a plain as day that this is whats happening.

You're witnessing another planned and deliberate plantation of Ireland and the idea that its simply incompetence by the Govt is of course nonsense..they know exactly what they're doing.
The problem is the 'Paddy Last' Micks will only have the courage and brains to acknowledge whats happening at the point when its far too late to stop it..and this is exactly what our leaders are counting on.

Easy on the gemma sauce

Harvey Weinstein · 24-11-2019 6:26pm

woohoo!!! wrote: »

Easy on the gemma sauce

Top marks for originality..

Rosslare Container Migrants disappear from Direct Provision Centre

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