Rosslare Container Migrants disappear from Direct Provision Centre

AlekSmart

john4321 wrote: »

I was initially responding to your post where you said

"That 8 Million target MUST be filled !"

when you then replied and said

"Apologies for that...I see that figure was amended to 10 Million on live Wireless this morning."

Now you say

"Mine would be in the lower hundreds"

Just trying to figure out what you are actually on about?

OK....

There is an emerging point of view from the Immigrant Council of Ireland and other members of the Immigration sector,that Ireland is not taking either enough immigrants,or at a fast enough pace.

The recent public pronouncements refer to 7-8 Million as a desireable and sustainable population goal.

One figure,then spoke on Radio of 10 Million being sustainable.

Our current population is c.5,000,000 and rising,and I am suggesting that this figure is just fine and should be allowed to develop at it's own controlled pace,rather than be driven by some suspect policy which appears predicated upon huge increases in immigrants,with commensurably large increases in sidebar groups such as Asylum seekers.

Our realistic capacity for asylum seekers is no more than a couple of hundred per anum,dependent upon available resources.

There is no point in accepting vast numbers of people into a society not yet operating at an acceptable level for it's current population,and simply hoping for the best.

Montage of Feck

Our current population isn't sustainable, there's already a shortage of housing, school places and hospital beds with a substandard public transport system.
Can't imagine had an absolute **** hole the place would be with a population over 8m.

FishOnABike

AlekSmart wrote: »

OK....

There is an emerging point of view from the Immigrant Council of Ireland and other members of the Immigration sector,that Ireland is not taking either enough immigrants,or at a fast enough pace.

There wouldn't be any hint of any self serving empire building in that point of view now would there?

Beechwoodspark

I take everything those NGOs say with a large dollop of scepticism as they have vested interests in the migrant industry cash cow

Boggles

Montage of Feck wrote: »

Our current population isn't sustainable, there's already a shortage of housing, school places and hospital beds with a substandard public transport system.

Of course it is FFS.

The problems with Housing and Health is inept management and planning from successive governance.

PowerToWait

Woodsie1 wrote: »

You asked for evidence of immigrant murder and rape and were handed it.
Then you changed it to asylum seekers.
Very relevant.
Try again.

Cute.

My post specifically asked for evidence of asylum seekers committing rape and murder.

Try again, quote my post.

suicide_circus

Boggles wrote: »

The problems with Housing and Health is inept management and planning from successive governance.

of course it is. but which should come first;

fixing this inept management or focusing on increasing the population?

road_high

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I take everything those NGOs say with a large dollop of scepticism as they have vested interests in the migrant industry cash cow

There's a large cohort making a cushy living off all this. Same for the so called "homelessness" industry. None of these people have any aim to solve or end any of these problems as they'd be out of a job.
The more migrants= more pointless support jobs with made up titles with 6 figure salaries.

Boggles

suicide_circus wrote: »

of course it is. but which should come first;

fixing this inept management or focusing on increasing the population?

They are not mutually exclusive. It's the very reason we spend millions on a census.

suicide_circus

Boggles wrote: »

They are not mutually exclusive. It's the very reason we spend millions on a census.

i'd agree they shouldnt be mutually exclusive. we should be able to handle both at the same time but all the evidence suggest we cant. all the evidence suggest we cant sort out our services and infrastructure without factoring in outside population increase btw. Only very slow people would actually blame immigrants but to suggest they have no impact is also nonsense.

Boggles

suicide_circus wrote: »

i'd agree they shouldnt be mutually exclusive. we should be able to handle both at the same time but all the evidence suggest we cant. all the evidence suggest we cant sort out our services and infrastructure without factoring in outside population increase btw. Only very slow people would actually blame immigrants but to suggest they have no impact is also nonsense.

Immigrants are more than likely to be working, adding to the tax pot and of an age that would not put a strain on services like health.

The narrative that their impact is negative in nature only, is something "very slow people" can't mentally digest.

suicide_circus

Boggles wrote: »

Immigrants are more than likely to be working, adding to the tax pot and of an age that would not put a strain on services like health.

The narrative that their impact is negative in nature only, is something "very slow people" can't mentally digest.

asylum seekers are not more likely to be working, are they?

and the tax take is irrelevant, its the management that is the issue.

road_high

Boggles wrote: »

Immigrants are more than likely to be working, adding to the tax pot and of an age that would not put a strain on services like health.

The narrative that their impact is negative in nature only, is something "very slow people" can't mentally digest.

The opposite is true- Any stats I've seen and they've been quoted regularly here states various migrant groups are multiple times more likely to be living off state benefits vs the rest of the population. The ostriches then usually go on to claim it's because the Irish are so racist :rolleyes:

Boggles

suicide_circus wrote: »

i'd agree they shouldnt be mutually exclusive. we should be able to handle both at the same time but all the evidence suggest we cant. all the evidence suggest we cant sort out our services and infrastructure without factoring in outside population increase btw. Only very slow people would actually blame immigrants but to suggest they have no impact is also nonsense.

suicide_circus wrote: »

asylum seekers are not more likely to be working, are they?

and the tax take is irrelevant, its the management that is the issue.

Which is it, or is it the usual predicable shifting the goal posts to suit the agenda?

Asylum Seekers up until very recently couldn't work, they can now but with very strict conditions.

suicide_circus

and immigrants also get old

suicide_circus

Boggles wrote: »

Which is it, or is it the usual predicable shifting the goal posts to suit the agenda?

my only agenda is to be allowed discuss these issues without being painted as hitler

Del.Monte

road_high wrote: »

There's a large cohort making a cushy living off all this. Same for the so called "homelessness" industry. None of these people have any aim to solve or end any of these problems as they'd be out of a job.
The more migrants= more pointless support jobs with made up titles with 6 figure salaries.

It's a great 'little' earner for speculators and owners of decrepit hotels who can fill them with the homeless, migrants etc.

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2019/03/15/montague-and-hazel-hotels-to-be-retained-as-direct-provision-centres/

wellwhynot

Boggles wrote: »

Immigrants are more than likely to be working, adding to the tax pot and of an age that would not put a strain on services like health.

The narrative that their impact is negative in nature only, is something "very slow people" can't mentally digest.

Immigrants which includes EU immigrants are more likely to be working. Migrants who come here via the asylum route are more likely not. Ireland doesn’t release stats on whether asylum seekers are working or not but other EU countries do so I would imagine our figure is somewhere in the middle:

Sweden 90% of asylum seekers who arrived in 2015 are unemployed
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/10/05/sweden-90-percent-2015-migrants-residency-status-are-unemployed/

Germany 65% still unemployed
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/01/31/germany-majority-refugees-still-jobless/

U.K. 51% of asylum seekers unemployed
http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2019-04-25-new-report-explores-barriers-employment-refugees-and-‘asylum-migrants’#

We only have African stats for Ireland. 45% are employed
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.rte.ie/amp/1009164/

Boggles

suicide_circus wrote: »

my only agenda is to be allowed discuss these issues without being painted as hitler

If you are discussing immigration the vast vast vast majority of which are not Refugees but you constantly focus on the thin edge of the wedge in a negative fashion, you will be painting your own portrait, that's on you no one else.

Boggles

wellwhynot wrote: »

Migrants who come here via the asylum route are more likely not.

And why do you think that might be, do you think it could be fairly nuanced or just what I suspect you think?

suicide_circus

Boggles wrote: »

If you are discussing immigration the vast vast vast majority of which are not Refugees but you constantly focus on the thin edge of the wedge in a negative fashion, you will be painting your own portrait, that's on you no one else.

any discussion of any aspect of any immigrant community that is not glowingly positive is called racist. you know this. also this thread is about ASers

road_high

suicide_circus wrote: »

any discussion of any aspect of any immigrant community that is not glowingly positive is called racist. you know this. also this thread is about ASers

Also even mentioning any particular race in the stsats is also "racist". Which is very convienent indeed.

Boggles

suicide_circus wrote: »

any discussion of any aspect of any immigrant community that is not glowingly positive is called racist. you know this. also this thread is about ASers

Anyway, it's pretty simple, if someone is being a little racist bollíx they will be called racist.

The first tell tale sign is they usually spunk out the line "I'm not racist, I'm just concerned about immigration" - usually backed up with a pack of conspiracy theories, whilst they ignore the vast vast vast majority of immigrants and focus constantly and solely on Asylum Seekers / Refugees.

But you know this.

suicide_circus

Boggles wrote: »

Anyway, it's pretty simple, if someone is being a little racist bollthey will be called racist.

The first tell tale sign is they usually spunk out the line "I'm not racist, I'm just concerned about immigration" - usually backed up with a pack of conspiracy theories, whilst they ignore the vast vast vast majority of immigrants and focus constantly and solely on Asylum Seekers / Refugees.

But you know this.

ASers; Asylum Seekers.

anyway carry on, the closing down of this debate has worked great elsewhere.

Mr. teddywinkles

suicide_circus wrote: »

ASers; Asylum Seekers.

anyway carry on, the closing down of this debate has worked great elsewhere.

Ignore list. There is no debating with some.
Not one good reason for all this ****e only a money spinner for those that be. We help people as nation how we can and what were able to do for them in need of genuine help. After that if ya don't like it my suggestion is. Get on a plane go over and help these people if your so concerned

Cordell

Mules wrote: »

Why are the migrants so keen to go to the UK from France. Are the French less generous with benefits or is there something else?

They won't be getting benefits as undocumented, but they will "integrate" in the existing communities there and work off the books. Also, once they're in illegal immigration enforcement in UK is virtually non-existing.

Boggles

suicide_circus wrote: »

ASers; Asylum Seekers.

anyway carry on, the closing down of this debate has worked great elsewhere.

Just say Asylum Seekers then.

How I am "closing down debate" when I am clearly responding to your posts is bizarre.

suicide_circus

Boggles wrote: »

Just say Asylum Seekers then.

How I am "closing down debate" when I am clearly responding to your posts is bizarre.

well the suggestion that i'm a "little racist bollix" is hardly conducive to civilised discussion. i am the child of an immigrant, married to an immigrant and live in an area of high welfare dependence. i dont talk about these matters from some ivory tower.

wellwhynot

Boggles wrote: »

And why do you think that might be, do you think it could be fairly nuanced or just what I suspect you think?

I believe it is due to a number of factors; language skills, prejudice/racism, cultural differences, welfare rates and levels of education.

I don’t care what your race, colour or creed is if you come here to work and applied through the legal channels you are more than welcome. Genuine asylum seekers also more than welcome too and let’s help with all the above barriers.

Bogus asylum seekers costing us 100’s of millions in DP and then more as they go on welfare, have a safe flight home.

Can you imagine if we had efficient processing and timely deportations? We would have so much more to spend on integrating the real asylum seekers. There would be none of this dumping in towns in the middle of night and this thread (and many like this) would not exist. The governments inefficiency on this has divided the country.

Boggles

suicide_circus wrote: »

well the suggestion that i'm a "little racist bollix" is hardly conducive to civilised discussion. i am the child of an immigrant, married to an immigrant and live in an area of high welfare dependence. i dont talk about these matters from some ivory tower.

Link or an apology please, I called you no such thing.