Rosslare Container Migrants disappear from Direct Provision Centre

Del.Monte · 24-11-2019 11:13am #1

A number of the migrants found on a ship to Rosslare last Thursday have left a Dublin direct provision centre and are believed to be heading for the UK. You couldn't make this stuff up. Imagine arriving illegally in Australia and just being allowed to wander off untraced into the country.

I'm sure that the Gardai know everything about their affiliations to ISIS etc. after talking to them for a few hours at Rosslare. :rolleyes:

ThE OAP who is Minister for Justice needs to be sacked and somebody with a glimmer of intelligence put in his place. The security of the country is a joke while this sort of nonsense continues.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/migrants-found-on-ship-to-rosslare-have-left-direct-provision-centre-in-dublin-966197.html

wellwhynot · 24-11-2019 11:29am

Del.Monte wrote: »

A number of the migrants found on a ship to Rosslare last Thursday have left a Dublin direct provision centre and are believed to be heading for the UK. You couldn't make this stuff up. Imagine arriving illegally in Australia and just being allowed to wander off untraced into the country.

I'm sure that the Gardai know everything about their affiliations to ISIS etc. after talking to them for a few hours at Rosslare. :rolleyes:

ThE OAP who is Minister for Justice needs to be sacked and somebody with a glimmer of intelligence put in his place. The security of the country is a joke while this sort of nonsense continues.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/migrants-found-on-ship-to-rosslare-have-left-direct-provision-centre-in-dublin-966197.html

Agreed. It is incomprehensible that there was no monitoring at all. I believe 9 have fled up North.

With Brexit and the huge border issue ongoing I am shocked at the incompetence of our government. Already many of our failed asylum seekers have disappeared assumed gone up North to get to the UK.

Can someone competent please take control of our borders please?

Mules · 24-11-2019 11:35am

Why are the migrants so keen to go to the UK from France. Are the French less generous with benefits or is there something else?

suicide_circus · 24-11-2019 11:35am

if the border between the Republic and the North is significantly strengthened by Brexit i would expect to see the number of asylum seekers and indeed immigration as a whole decline here.

Fiery mutant · 24-11-2019 11:41am

The security of the state should be a huge priority in times like this, instead it’s a ****in joke, put In the hands of incompetent gob****es who I wouldn’t trust with a waterpistol.

Wibbs · 24-11-2019 11:47am

Mules wrote: »

Why are the migrants so keen to go to the UK from France. Are the French less generous with benefits or is there something else?

Good question M and one I've wondered about myself. Bigger turn a blind eye labour market maybe, or already established communities? I can't see it being the British benefits which would much less than here, or France from what I gather?

mountai · 24-11-2019 11:49am

Seems Verona wasnt too far wrong then .!!!

Tom Mann Centuria · 24-11-2019 11:51am

UK still an aspirational country for many, as has been said, there are huge communities for whatever country the people may be from, in the UKs big cities.

I'd have thought plenty here would be pleased they've decided to move to the UK, and no longer be a burden on the Irish taxpayer or something.

Mules · 24-11-2019 11:52am

Wibbs wrote: »

Good question M and one I've wondered about myself. Bigger turn a blind eye labour market maybe, or already established communities? I can't see it being the British benefits which would much less than here, or France from what I gather?

There's definitely established communities especially in London. I'm not sure if France or the UK has more generous welfare but I can't see the French handing it out freely to foreigners.

Oops! · 24-11-2019 11:52am

I'd imagine it's to do with the bigger population, city's and as you say already established communities with the hope of work.

woohoo!!! · 24-11-2019 11:53am

If they voluntarily leave the country, why would we care?

Galwayguy35 · 24-11-2019 12:01pm

Good, hopefully a few more follow them.

wellwhynot · 24-11-2019 12:05pm

woohoo!!! wrote: »

If they voluntarily leave the country, why would we care?

Because
1 They go to the U.K. Immigration was one of the main causes of Brexit. Why would they agree to a soft border with us when many of our failed asylum seekers have disappeared most likely to the U.K.

2 It is worrying that people who arrived illegally with so much publicity managed to disappear so quickly. No vetting done, no back ground checks established at this stage, nothing and absolutely no monitoring. If you or I arrived to another country illegally we would be not be allowed to roam freely within hours of arriving. It is very worrying from a security point of view.

Sir Oxman · 24-11-2019 12:10pm

If this is true, it doesn't inspire faith in Ireland's security controls.
If I was the UK I'd also be pretty pissed off that a neighbour is so lax (works both ways I suppose)
Weird one.

brendane · 24-11-2019 12:16pm

If this was made up you wouldn't believe it. We are hardly dealing with criminal masterminds here and our incompetent government have just played into the hands of Farage and the hard right Tories. Watch them use this as a reason to push for a hard border either on the island or up the sea.

If Farage was trying to set up this situation, he couldn't have picked a better time (Just before an election) or wanted a more incompetent response from the Irish government.

Watch the tories/brexiteers come out in the next few days with claims that police sources say that the asylum seekers are in the UK because sure as hell our authorities won't know where they are

EmmetSpiceland · 24-11-2019 12:16pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

I'm sure that the Gardai know everything about their affiliations to ISIS etc. after talking to them for a few hours at Rosslare. :rolleyes:

ISIS members don’t usually travel in shipping containers, they fly or, at least, go by ferry.

Galwayguy35 · 24-11-2019 12:17pm

The Government have been bladdering on about no hard border for the last 3 years and not once in any RTE/TV3 debate has anyone apart from Fintan O Toole mentioned the fact that someone will be just able to cross over into a non EU country if no checks are in place.

Now I disagree with 99.9% of what O Toole says but he's spot on on this one.

It's bloody ridiculous that lads can arrive on the back of a truck and have the same rights as someone who follows the rules and looks to enter our country legally, it just makes a mockery of the whole process.

24-11-2019 12:20pm

Does their disappearance mean that their asylum applications are now null and void?

If not, why not?

The last thing that should happen if they are discovered in the UK is that they are deported back to Ireland to resume their spurious asylum applications. One Ellie Kisysombe is enough for me.

brendane · 24-11-2019 12:24pm

Genuine question but why can't we electronically chip people who arrive in the country in such circumstances. They are obviously not arriving with genuine documentation and we have no idea who they are, what country they come from or what criminal past they may have

_Kaiser_ · 24-11-2019 12:31pm

First off, if these lads have now fecked off elsewhere, I say let them! They arrived here illegally from a safe country. Their "asylum" claims should have been rejected on the spot, not used as a PR stunt by the politicians and well funded advocate groups (who I'd hope - but doubt - are feeling suitably embarrassed today).

For the rest of us though this highlights again the not thought out approach in place here, where a bunch of lads we know nothing about have just disappeared from the system only days later! The security risks inherent in such a lax approach are massive given where some of these (welfare) "tourists" are coming from and the culture and mindset they bring with them.

Virtue signalling nonsense does not trump national security. We've seen what happens in the UK and Europe when that is ignored.

wellwhynot · 24-11-2019 12:32pm

No mention on RTE about this.

They do however have this. Here come the next lot.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/1124/1094789-italy-migrants/

Some of the asylum seekers claim their wives are missing from the boat which is awful. Merkel expects them to be shared throughout Europe as before. Why are they encouraging this? If they were returned people would stop risking their lives.

thenightman · 24-11-2019 12:41pm

Can't beat this schizophrenic/xenophobic forum. Moan that they managed to make it here and that we will be stuck footing the bill for their stay in direct provision.

Now when we learn that some of them have fecked off out of the state, most likely to join family in the UK. I'm sure some of you are disappointed to see that these folks didn't see Ireland as an easy to fleece haven! Now ye are advocating that the state should have spent more money locking them up 24/7 and attempting detailed background checks (which coincidentally none of you know the Gardai with the assistance of Inter/Europol haven't done)

Anything for a good auld racist moan I suppose!

seenitall · 24-11-2019 12:45pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The Government have been bladdering on about no hard border for the last 3 years and not once in any RTE/TV3 debate has anyone apart from Fintan O Toole mentioned the fact that someone will be just able to cross over into a non EU country if no checks are in place.

Um, it's the reverse direction that Ireland should be worried about, surely? After Brexit, once that the UK becomes ever more inhospitable to those who have set up as undocumented there, it is the porous nature of the border of the first available EU country to them, that will become the problem for Ireland.

_Kaiser_ · 24-11-2019 12:49pm

thenightman wrote: »

Can't beat this schizophrenic/xenophobic forum. Moan that they managed to make it here and that we will be stuck footing the bill for their stay in direct provision.

Now when we learn that some of them have fecked off out of the state, most likely to join family in the UK. I'm sure some of you are disappointed to see that these folks didn't see Ireland as an easy to fleece haven! Now ye are advocating that the state should have spent more money locking them up 24/7 and attempting detailed background checks (which coincidentally none of you know the Gardai with the assistance of Inter/Europol haven't done)

Anything for a good auld racist moan I suppose!

Shouting racist or xenophobe doesn't help your point (quite the opposite), so let's get that out of the way first.

Now, let's review :

- a group of lads turn up in a container from France (a safe first world country) and despite trying to get to the UK (why? And why in a container?) we offer them asylum here - despite them having entered the country illegally and apparently unintentionally.

- not even a week later several go missing and are presumed heading for the UK. Given that we have no information on these guys or their backgrounds, you don't find that the least bit concerning?

These are the facts. Please point out the racism.

road_high · 24-11-2019 12:53pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Shouting racist or xenophobe doesn't help your point (quite the opposite), so let's get that out of the way first.

Now, let's review :

- a group of lads turn up in a container from France (a safe first world country) and despite trying to get to the UK (why? And why in a container?) we offer them asylum here - despite them having entered the country illegally and apparently unintentionally.

- not even a week later several go missing and are presumed heading for the UK. Given that we have no information on these guys or their backgrounds, you don't find that the least bit concerning?

These are the facts. Please point out the racism.

Everyone that doesn’t agree with them
is racist xenophobic etc etc. It’s the default rebuttal when they can’t argue the points made. Anyhow I think we are moving beyond these people drowning out all debate with these hollow cries - our shambolic asylum process is now in sharp focus despite all

wellwhynot · 24-11-2019 12:55pm

@ The Nightman
It is not racist to want secure borders. Do you not think what happened is a gift to Brexiteers who want a hard border in Ireland? Or that it is ironic that our lax approach could see a return to civil war up North?

Excerpt from an LA Times article on borders:

More broadly, those who deride borders are unwilling to address why tens of millions of people choose to cross them in the first place, leaving their language fluency and native soil — at great personal risk. The answer is obvious: migration, as it was in the 1960s between mainland China and Hong Kong, as it is now between North and South Korea, is usually a one-way street, from the non-West to the West or its Westernized manifestations. People walk, climb, swim, and fly across borders, secure in the knowledge that boundaries mark different approaches to human experience, with one side perceived as more successful or inviting than the other.

Western rules that promote a greater likelihood of consensual government, religious tolerance, an independent judiciary, free-market capitalism, and the protection of private property combine to offer the individual a level of prosperity and personal security rarely enjoyed at home. As a result, migrants make the necessary travel adjustments to go westward — especially given that Western civilization, uniquely so, has usually defined itself by culture, not race, and thus alone is willing to accept and integrate those of different races who wish to share its protocols.

Many unassimilated Muslims in the West assume that they can ignore Western jurisprudence and yet rely on it in extremis. Today’s Pakistani new arrival in London might wish to follow sharia law as he knew it in Punjab. But implicit are two unmentionable constants: The migrant most certainly does not wish to return to face sharia law in Pakistan. Second, if he had his way, institutionalizing his native culture into that of his newly adopted land, he would eventually flee the results — and once again likely go somewhere else, for the same reasons that he left home in the first place.

Similarly, when undocumented Latino youths disrupt a Donald Trump rally, they often wave Mexican flags or flash placards bearing slogans such as “Make America Mexico Again.” But note the emotional paradox: In anger at possible deportation, non-citizens nonsensically wave the flag of the country that they most certainly do not wish to rejoin, while ignoring the flag of the nation in which they adamantly wish to remain.

_Kaiser_ · 24-11-2019 1:00pm

road_high wrote: »

Everyone that doesn’t agree with them
is racist xenophobic etc etc. It’s the default rebuttal when they can’t argue the points made. Anyhow I think we are moving beyond these people drowning out all debate with these hollow cries - our shambolic asylum process is now in sharp focus despite all

Recently our current position reminds me of this old joke from the Simpsons:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-SmSoFeDC0

Considering we can't process or even keep track of the migrants we have now, Bart has a point.

Galwayguy35 · 24-11-2019 1:02pm

seenitall wrote: »

Um, it's the reverse direction that Ireland should be worried about, surely? After Brexit, once that the UK becomes ever more inhospitable to those who have set up as undocumented there, it is the porous nature of the border of the first available EU country to them, that will become the problem for Ireland.

I'm not so sure that those economic migrants already in the UK would decide to up sticks and make the trip over here, most of them still think they will have better opportunities there than in surrounding countries like here or France.

mgn · 24-11-2019 1:02pm

thenightman wrote: »

Can't beat this schizophrenic/xenophobic forum. Moan that they managed to make it here and that we will be stuck footing the bill for their stay in direct provision.

Now when we learn that some of them have fecked off out of the state, most likely to join family in the UK. I'm sure some of you are disappointed to see that these folks didn't see Ireland as an easy to fleece haven! Now ye are advocating that the state should have spent more money locking them up 24/7 and attempting detailed background checks (which coincidentally none of you know the Gardai with the assistance of Inter/Europol haven't done)

Anything for a good auld racist moan I suppose!

Ah, the good old racist card out straight away.

Nobody is advocating that the should have being locked up 24/7, the should have being turned around at Rosslare harbour and sent back to the safe country the came from.

As for the Guards doing background checks in a few days, how is that supposed to be done with no passports or ID papers, what's so special with this group, it takes months if not years to find the real identity of people claiming asylum here.

24-11-2019 1:06pm

thenightman wrote: »

Can't beat this schizophrenic/xenophobic forum. Moan that they managed to make it here and that we will be stuck footing the bill for their stay in direct provision.

Now when we learn that some of them have fecked off out of the state, most likely to join family in the UK. I'm sure some of you are disappointed to see that these folks didn't see Ireland as an easy to fleece haven! Now ye are advocating that the state should have spent more money locking them up 24/7 and attempting detailed background checks (which coincidentally none of you know the Gardai with the assistance of Inter/Europol haven't done)

Anything for a good auld racist moan I suppose!

I commiserate with you over your inability to grasp the significance of this matter.

fryup · 24-11-2019 1:06pm

so is this going to be the tactic going forward?....get into the republic and then abscond to the north and seek asylum in the UK??

riemann · 24-11-2019 1:07pm

For anyone pro Brexit this is great timing.

It looks like either a United ireland, or back to a hard border.

Del.Monte · 24-11-2019 1:16pm

riemann wrote: »

For anyone pro Brexit this is great timing.

It looks like either a United ireland, or back to a hard border.

Wouldn't be a problem if we had proper border controls and since there's not going to be a United Ireland anytime soon....

Eric Cartman · 24-11-2019 1:17pm

riemann wrote: »

For anyone pro Brexit this is great timing.

It looks like either a United ireland, or back to a hard border.

Its about time even one of our borders was hard, all we seem to have is swiss cheese with more holes drilled in it

AlekSmart · 24-11-2019 1:24pm

thenightman wrote: »

Can't beat this schizophrenic/xenophobic forum. Moan that they managed to make it here and that we will be stuck footing the bill for their stay in direct provision.

Now when we learn that some of them have fecked off out of the state, most likely to join family in the UK. I'm sure some of you are disappointed to see that these folks didn't see Ireland as an easy to fleece haven! Now ye are advocating that the state should have spent more money locking them up 24/7 and attempting detailed background checks (which coincidentally none of you know the Gardai with the assistance of Inter/Europol haven't done)

Anything for a good auld racist moan I suppose!

Never underestimate the benefits of a good auld moan (as the poster very succinctly demonstrates),even if considered racist etc by some :P

In the very obvious absence of any Official reasonable protective policy,then WE shall just have to settle for the next best thing...even if some see it as Racist ....schizo...xeno...etc etc etc....

The really GREAT thing about this little scenario is,to quote the late Peter Cook,it merely underlines "the bleedin' obvious !and is visible to all.

Wonder if this wee group of fellows will remain in contact with each other....an "Old Boys Network" if you will ?

road_high · 24-11-2019 1:45pm

fryup wrote: »

so is this going to be the tactic going forward?....get into the republic and then abscond to the north and seek asylum in the UK??

Going on for years. Also goes the other way too. Mr Stab happy in Dundalk a few years ago (the one the media never mention) was a failed uk asylum seeker. Expect to see more of these as I expect the UK to get a lot harder to get into post Brexit

ChikiChiki · 24-11-2019 1:51pm

1 million worth of damage to pharmaceuticals and allowed swan of into the sunset.

Soft ****ing touch.

seenitall · 24-11-2019 1:58pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I'm not so sure that those economic migrants already in the UK would decide to up sticks and make the trip over here, most of them still think they will have better opportunities there than in surrounding countries like here or France.

As the UK follows the way of neoliberalism, and cuts back on expenditure in certain areas (welfare), and increases it in others (cough police state cough), I think that, in time, Ireland may become a much more appealing prospect for assorted people. Ask Ellie?

(Anyway, I'm an immigrant, and came to live in Ireland through personal circumstance long ago, but what with Brexit and the general state of things across the sea, boy am I glad it was Ireland I came to, and not the UK!

)

Atlantic Dawn · 24-11-2019 2:03pm

RTE now reporting it.

_Kaiser_ · 24-11-2019 2:09pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

RTE now reporting it.

Probably only because the IT and every other major outlet have already reported it.

Beechwoodspark · 24-11-2019 2:11pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Probably only because the IT and every other major outlet have already reported it.

Yep. The game is up. They probably would have buried it if they could get away with it

KindOfIrish · 24-11-2019 2:14pm

Sir Oxman wrote: »

If this is true, it doesn't inspire faith in Ireland's security controls.
If I was the UK I'd also be pretty pissed off that a neighbour is so lax (works both ways I suppose)
Weird one.

You mixed up sides I'm afraid. 95% of illegal immigrants and asylum seekers in Ireland came from UK.

ThunbergsAreGo · 24-11-2019 2:19pm

Very very worrying from a security and competence perspective

Sonny noggs · 24-11-2019 2:21pm

Great, these newly arrived doctors will be treating patients in no time. Great boost for the health services.

EmmetSpiceland · 24-11-2019 2:23pm

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Great, these newly arrived doctors will be treating patients in no time. Great boost for the health services.

In England.

24-11-2019 2:24pm

Listening to the minister for justice Inspires no Confidence whatsoever

Spanish Eyes · 24-11-2019 2:27pm

Just heard on RTE radio that the Government is considering converting excess Defence Forces land (redundant barracks I suppose) into self contained Direct Provision centres.

Independent living, own kitchens and bathrooms. There seems to be no end to the lengths the Government will go now to provide top of the range facilities for these migrants, whilst our own homeless are still in hotels with their kids. Don't see any of the homeless do gooders pointing out this anomaly!

This will cost a chunk of millions to the taxpayer, but sure look it, it's good for our image as a caring society, but not to all it seems on an equal footing.

It's like a runaway train now.

Sonny noggs · 24-11-2019 2:33pm

I think this is a good thing, it might wake more people up to the fact that we are being taken for a ride by these bogus so called ‘asylum seekers’ who are actually illegal economic migrants taking us for fools.

Let’s see how the open borders advocates try to spin this story as it develops.

Sonny noggs · 24-11-2019 2:34pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

In England.

Were you always this cynical?

Sonny noggs · 24-11-2019 2:35pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

1 million worth of damage to pharmaceuticals and allowed swan of into the sunset.

Soft ****ing touch.

****ers should be on remand.

Leonita · 24-11-2019 2:37pm

Why were they not returned to France where they came from? I always thought that they have to claim asylum in the first country they arrive into? I'm open to correction on this. If they are found they should be returned back to their country of origin. It's obvious that they are not in fear for their safety at all if they can hop on trailers arrive in another country and then feck off to the UK. Did I see on the news that one of the Essex ones had legged it from Holland fairly recently too? It makes a whole mockery of the system if that is the new trend amongst these "refugees". They should never have been allowed to roam freely so quickly imo

Rosslare Container Migrants disappear from Direct Provision Centre

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