Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - Read OP for Mod Warnings

py2006 · 24-05-2020 9:22pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Well look at this way , you were brushed against numerous times and still didn’t get it

or I could be asymptomatic

Lyle · 24-05-2020 9:23pm

hopalongcass wrote: »

People like you are still harping on with this symptomatic rubbish when they barely even have a reliable test for Covid,but they have it down that 97% of people are symptomatic by day 11 cop on to yourself.

I'm taking the info for my "wild conjecture" from The Lancet in March and the Annals of Internal Medicine from early May.

"There were 181 confirmed cases with identifiable exposure and symptom onset windows to estimate the incubation period of COVID-19. The median incubation period was estimated to be 5.1 days (95% CI, 4.5 to 5.8 days), and 97.5% of those who develop symptoms will do so within 11.5 days (CI, 8.2 to 15.6 days) of infection. These estimates imply that, under conservative assumptions, 101 out of every 10 000 cases (99th percentile, 482) will develop symptoms after 14 days of active monitoring or quarantine."

This data is echoed by the WHO, ECDC, CDC, HPSC, etc etc. I'm inclined to go with the elite level scientists behind these studies, and these bodies and agencies, and will continue to base my opinions on academic, peer-reviewed research ahead of some random langer who still thinks this is a bad flu.

Unless you can cite me a paper from the last fortnight that debunks these prior papers? In which case I'll rescind my previous post and will adapt my thoughts based on that new info. Cheers.

snowcat · 24-05-2020 9:26pm

Lyle wrote: »

I'm taking the info for my "wild conjecture" from The Lancet in March and the Annals of Internal Medicine from early May.

"There were 181 confirmed cases with identifiable exposure and symptom onset windows to estimate the incubation period of COVID-19. The median incubation period was estimated to be 5.1 days (95% CI, 4.5 to 5.8 days), and 97.5% of those who develop symptoms will do so within 11.5 days (CI, 8.2 to 15.6 days) of infection. These estimates imply that, under conservative assumptions, 101 out of every 10 000 cases (99th percentile, 482) will develop symptoms after 14 days of active monitoring or quarantine."

This data is echoed by the WHO, ECDC, CDC, HPSC, etc etc. The list goes on. I'm inclined to go with the elite level scientists behind these studies, and these bodies and agencies, and will continue to base my opinions on academic, peer-reviewed research ahead of some random langer who still thinks this is a bad flu.

Unless you can cite me a paper from the last fortnight that debunks these prior papers? In which case I'll rescind my previous post and will adapt my thoughts based on that new info. Cheers.

A come on. This is boards we are hardly going to be citing articles from our subscription to the Lancet.

Lyle · 24-05-2020 9:27pm

snowcat wrote: »

A come on. This is boards we are hardly going to be citing articles from our subscription to the Lancet.

You don't need a subscription to read these papers online.

Here's the Annals of Internal Medicine:
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-0504

iamwhoiam · 24-05-2020 9:27pm

py2006 wrote: »

or I could be asymptomatic

Gosh , you have been dragged into the fear factor haven’t you ??

Idbatterim · 24-05-2020 9:28pm

The republic should be split in two. All the lockdown merchants can fcuk off and live out their life of misery. Probably as worried about the sky falling in as the Mickey mouse Corona virus...

Stheno · 24-05-2020 9:29pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

If you typically earn less than €350 a week, aka part time or casual workers, you will have to pay back the difference.

If you work full time and typically earn more than €350 a week you won’t owe anything. That was my understanding of it anyway.

No. Revenue have said it's likely to be taxable so if you normally pay the high rate of tax you'll have to pay it on this too

Taxation of COVID-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment

Revenue has indicated that it will treat the COVID-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment as taxable income. Depending on a person’s overall income during a year, the COVID-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment may affect a person’s overall tax liability for the year.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/unemployed_people/covid19_pandemic_unemployment_payment.html

snowcat · 24-05-2020 9:31pm

Lyle wrote: »

You don't need a subscription to read these papers online.

Here's the Annals of Internal Medicine:
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-0504

Ok. Im going to skip reading those and go with the practical evidence from countries that have eased restrictions and seen no increase in cases. Ie The rest of Europe
You can peer review them at your leisure.

Idbatterim · 24-05-2020 9:34pm

I suspected this scenario in March and wrote on this forum about my fears. A bunch of morons incapable of making decisions running the place , what did you expect?

Cripped with fear and anxiety. Paralysis is all a have and endless waffle, talk and bull****. They excel at it here... i wouldn't trust those ***** to open the post and they are causing havoc to peoples jobs, mental health, businesses, relationships etc and saving the best for last ANOTHER recession. There is going to be serious backlash when the cost of this idiocy, has to be paid for

CruelSummer · 24-05-2020 9:34pm

Someone I spoke to today is very worried waiting on a test...they have private health insurance and nothing is currently happening in private hospitals.

On Ireland’s cancer website, it says someone is diagnosed with cancer every 3 minutes....imagine all of those that have been missed for the past 8+ weeks.
Cancer’s death rate is 100% if not treated unfortunately, compared to Covid’s <1%.

biggebruv · 24-05-2020 9:35pm

Is it true the virus is disappearing just read something I sky news about it’s fading away faster than they’d like because they want to make a vaccine

sporina · 24-05-2020 9:36pm

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Someone, somewhere is thinking something similar after seeing you while out walking, believing its only them entitled to be out.

you might wanna re read my post!!!

but hope I don't make as much noise as cars when out walking lol

Idbatterim · 24-05-2020 9:37pm

Deaths, deaths, deaths you want to stop thousands of deaths a year. Ban cigarettes, they wont though, will they? Pathetic!

Someone needs to tell doctor nick and the clown varadkar and the schoolboy, that nobody gets out of life alive

double jobbing · 24-05-2020 9:40pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

The republic should be split in two. All the lockdown merchants can fcuk off and live out their life of misery. Probably as worried about the sky falling in as the Mickey mouse Corona virus...

tbh Simon Harris should be removed from his post. Not only is he incompetent but you get the distinct feeling this vengeful nerd hasn't seen the inside of a pub more than a dozen times and would be quite happy to keep them closed until 2022.

CruelSummer · 24-05-2020 9:41pm

snowcat wrote: »

Has someone hacked your account

Oh gosh, I don’t know, haven’t been on today. Is it acting strange?

RobitTV · 24-05-2020 9:41pm

It's time to lockdown the country permanently.

We have to make sure nobody ever dies again. We need to flatten the heart attack, stroke and cancer curve!

Holohan will approve.

24-05-2020 9:42pm

py2006 wrote: »

Oh ffs.

Then in your view, all the social distancing and restrictions of numbers in shops etc is pointless and stupid?

And not not everybody is a total twat ignoring the social distancing but some are.

I mean, how do you know they haven't been coughing and sneezing into the arm all day and then its rubbed up against you and of course they don't know if I have it or not.

Anyway, I am new to this thread and I am sure this has been all said to death on here.

You are assuming Covid is rampant in the community - that most people in the supermarkets have it? They dont and its not. Its almost eradicated in the community and there is almost no spread if someone has it. So I don't know what all the fear is about. People are consumed by fear! They're driving their cars wearing masks - this virus is not airborne! You need to be in someone's close proximity for 15 minutes to get it, not brushing past them.

This following is an advisory from the HSE.ie (How Covid spreads)
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/472f64-covid-19-coronavirus-guidance-and-advice/

Covid spreads by spending more than 15 minutes face-to-face contact within 2 metres of an infected person

Close contact does not include someone you passed on the street or in a shop. The risk of contact in that instance is very low.

zerosugarbuzz · 24-05-2020 9:42pm

How amazing if lots of people are like that, no need for this ridiculous lockdown

Lyle · 24-05-2020 9:44pm

snowcat wrote: »

Ok. Im going to skip reading those and go with the practical evidence from countries that have eased restrictions and seen no increase in cases. Ie The rest of Europe

Okay..? I didn't really say anything about that, I haven't been watching what other countries are doing. I was just pointing out in my original post that that optimism around the last two days low figures as they relate to the Phase 1 re-openings could be tempered by the fact that we're still within the elongated incubation window and that a more accurate picture of the impact of lifting restrictions would be visible across the later part of next week, if there were any impacts at all.

Could you link me to any analysis or summary of the specific scenarios and situations around Europe that you mention that might have some potential for mimicry here?

TheCitizen · 24-05-2020 9:44pm

I see this thread has been taken over entirely by the shrill panic merchants. The restrictions hopefully will be forwarded given the figures. Hang tough troops

LiquidZeb · 24-05-2020 9:47pm

py2006 wrote: »

Oh ffs.

Then in your view, all the social distancing and restrictions of numbers in shops etc is pointless and stupid?

And not not everybody is a total twat ignoring the social distancing but some are.

I mean, how do you know they haven't been coughing and sneezing into the arm all day and then its rubbed up against you and of course they don't know if I have it or not.

Anyway, I am new to this thread and I am sure this has been all said to death on here.

Look if you're really that overwrought then youre probably better off just buying lifetime supply of beans and bottled water and just never going outside again.

snowcat · 24-05-2020 9:48pm

Lyle wrote: »

Okay..? I didn't really say anything about that, I haven't been watching what other countries are doing. I was just pointing out in my original post that that optimism around the last two days low figures as they relate to the Phase 1 re-openings could be tempered by the fact that we're still within the elongated incubation window and that a more accurate picture of the impact of lifting restrictions would be visible across the later part of next week, if there were any impacts at all.

Could you link me to any analysis or summary of the specific scenarios and situations around Europe that you mention that might have some potential for mimicry here?

Ok. Google might help. But look at Austria Switz Germany Netherlands Spain France Sweden Czech Uk Italy Norway Denmark I could go on

Lyle · 24-05-2020 9:49pm

snowcat wrote: »

Ok. Google might help. But look at Austria Switz Germany Netherlands Spain France Sweden Czech Uk Italy Norway Denmark I could go on

Cool, I just asked hoping you might have some specifics that you thought were directly applicable to altering our road map. No worries.

MadYaker · 24-05-2020 9:50pm

None of those countries have ended their lockdowns though?

CruelSummer · 24-05-2020 9:50pm

biggebruv wrote: »

Is it true the virus is disappearing just read something I sky news about it’s fading away faster than they’d like because they want to make a vaccine

Just read the article and they do seem to want cases to linger to allow a vaccine to proceed through more staged trials while Covid is around.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-disappearing-so-fast-oxford-vaccine-has-only-50-chance-of-working-11993739

snowcat · 24-05-2020 9:52pm

Lyle wrote: »

Cool, I was hoping you might have some specifics that you thought were directly applicable to altering our road map. No worries.

Im not sure what you want. Even the most basic relaxations in those countries we dont have. They can have a beer in a bar in the worst affected country in Europe but we cant here. A haircut here is months away. They have been having haircuts in switzerland since April

They have experimented with these restrictions in Austria and Switzerland/ Denmark weeks ago. It has been proven they do not raise any risk. WHY WHY WHY are we not learning

ceadaoin. · 24-05-2020 9:54pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You are assuming Covid is rampant in the community - that most people in the supermarkets have it? They dont and its not. Its almost eradicated in the community and there is almost no spread if someone has it. So I don't know what all the fear is about. People are consumed by fear! They're driving their cars wearing masks - this virus is not airborne! You need to be in someone's close proximity for 15 minutes to get it, not brushing past them.

This following is an advisory from the HSE.ie (How Covid spreads)
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/472f64-covid-19-coronavirus-guidance-and-advice/

Covid spreads by spending more than 15 minutes face-to-face contact within 2 metres of an infected person

Close contact does not include someone you passed on the street or in a shop. The risk of contact in that instance is very low.

Exactly. They have found that most people do not transmit the virus, even to those they live with. Its estimated that just 10% of cases are responsible for 80% of the spread. So even if the person who brushed off you in the supermarket was infected, the risk of transmission is still close to zero. Unless they also coughed in your face or something.

Most of the discussion around the spread of SARS-CoV-2 has concentrated on the average number of new infections caused by each patient. Without social distancing, this reproduction number (R) is about three. But in real life, some people infect many others and others don’t spread the disease at all. In fact, the latter is the norm, Lloyd-Smith says: “The consistent pattern is that the most common number is zero. Most people do not transmit.”

That’s why in addition to R, scientists use a value called the dispersion factor (k), which describes how much a disease clusters. The lower k is, the more transmission comes from a small number of people. In a seminal 2005 Nature paper, Lloyd-Smith and co-authors estimated that SARS—in which superspreading played a major role—had a k of 0.16. The estimated k for MERS, which emerged in 2012, is about 0.25. In the flu pandemic of 1918, in contrast, the value was about one, indicating that clusters played less of a role.

Estimates of k for SARS-CoV-2 vary. In January, Julien Riou and Christian Althaus at the University of Bern simulated the epidemic in China for different combinations of R and k and compared the outcomes with what had actually taken place. They concluded that k for COVID-19 is somewhat higher than for SARS and MERS. That seems about right, says Gabriel Leung, a modeler at the University of Hong Kong. “I don’t think this is quite like SARS or MERS, where we observed very large superspreading clusters,” Leung says. “But we are certainly seeing a lot of concentrated clusters where a small proportion of people are responsible for a large proportion of infections.” But in a recent preprint, Adam Kucharski of LSHTM estimated that k for COVID-19 is as low as 0.1. “Probably about 10% of cases lead to 80% of the spread,” Kucharski says.

That could explain some puzzling aspects of this pandemic, including why the virus did not take off around the world sooner after it emerged in China, and why some very early cases elsewhere—such as one in France in late December 2019, reported on 3 May—apparently failed to ignite a wider outbreak. If k is really 0.1, then most chains of infection die out by themselves and SARS-CoV-2 needs to be introduced undetected into a new country at least four times to have an even chance of establishing itself, Kucharski says. If the Chinese epidemic was a big fire that sent sparks flying around the world, most of the sparks simply fizzled out.

Some people are living in extreme fear purely because of the fear mongering going on. It is possible to go back to some semblence of normal life and still avoid mass infections .

Gavlor · 24-05-2020 9:56pm

CruelSummer wrote: »

Someone I spoke to today is very worried waiting on a test...they have private health insurance and nothing is currently happening in private hospitals.

On Ireland’s cancer website, it says someone is diagnosed with cancer every 3 minutes....imagine all of those that have been missed for the past 8+ weeks.
Cancer’s death rate is 100% if not treated unfortunately, compared to Covid’s <1%.

Agree with most of your post but just to point out that the 3 minute bit is Obviously global and not specific to Ireland.

snowcat · 24-05-2020 10:09pm

Gavlor wrote: »

Agree with most of your post but just to point out that the 3 minute bit is Obviously global and not specific to Ireland.

Why is that obviously global? Those figures sound about right. About 50k cancers id guess a year in Ireland, A terrible disease and way worse than covid with a higher mortatity rate. Will we shut the economy for it and give patients unlimited medical bills covered by the state. Id be hopeful but id like to see Simons take on it

RobitTV · 24-05-2020 10:12pm

We will get there, we will get there, we will get there, we will get there, we will get there, we will get there.

What does 'getting there' actually look like? - 0, 10 ,20 ,30 ,40 cases per day consistently over a course of the few weeks?

What do you they actually want to be achieved at this stage? the curve has been flattened. Why are they moving away from the original idea of the lockdown?

https://twitter.com/SimonHarrisTD/status/1264589830350127104

snowcat · 24-05-2020 10:13pm

MadYaker wrote: »

None of those countries have ended their lockdowns though?

Some never had a lockdown. Switwerland Sweden and Portugal only had a partial one

hopalongcass · 24-05-2020 10:15pm

Lyle wrote: »

I'm taking the info for my "wild conjecture" from The Lancet in March and the Annals of Internal Medicine from early May.

"There were 181 confirmed cases with identifiable exposure and symptom onset windows to estimate the incubation period of COVID-19. The median incubation period was estimated to be 5.1 days (95% CI, 4.5 to 5.8 days), and 97.5% of those who develop symptoms will do so within 11.5 days (CI, 8.2 to 15.6 days) of infection. These estimates imply that, under conservative assumptions, 101 out of every 10 000 cases (99th percentile, 482) will develop symptoms after 14 days of active monitoring or quarantine."

This data is echoed by the WHO, ECDC, CDC, HPSC, etc etc. I'm inclined to go with the elite level scientists behind these studies, and these bodies and agencies, and will continue to base my opinions on academic, peer-reviewed research ahead of some random langer who still thinks this is a bad flu.

Unless you can cite me a paper from the last fortnight that debunks these prior papers? In which case I'll rescind my previous post and will adapt my thoughts based on that new info. Cheers.

I have no doubt you got that information somewhere,i think the WHO is long past being somewhere reputable to cite,as this farce rolls on and none of the 3rd world nations have been overrun.

Sad state of modern society nobody can think for themselves,you need a peer reviewed study to say its safe before you are gonna cross the road outside your house.

Cop on to yourself,you and ur ilk are dwindling by the day as the economy is falling off a cliff.I watched my elderly relations lives go to hell in the last few months,previously healthy active elderly people with nowhere to go or nothing to do,and its really starting to affect their health now at this point and it might be passing the point of no return,you people make me sick.

Stark · 24-05-2020 10:18pm

biggebruv wrote: »

Is it true the virus is disappearing just read something I sky news about it’s fading away faster than they’d like because they want to make a vaccine

Yes they don't have enough people getting infected in the community to test if it works or not and it's unethical to deliberately infect someone in order to test it.

the kelt · 24-05-2020 10:28pm

MadYaker wrote: »

None of those countries have ended their lockdowns though?

Ending lockdown isn’t an option.

But not taking multiple weeks/months longer than our European counterparts in easing those restrictions many of whom were far worse affected than us certainly is.

Especially when you see the reported numbers, even when the numbers were 100 plus there was only a small percentage recently that were community transmission, how many if the 57 today are community.

Or at least tell us what the reasoning is behind it because “let’s just see what happens with them” isn’t a reason, it’s an excuse and a particularly pathetic one. We were told we needed to flatten the curve yet it looks now like we are looking at total eradication before we move on yet this hasn’t been communicated as our plan, is it?

Leaders lead, not follow.

ceadaoin. · 24-05-2020 10:31pm

Lyle wrote: »

I'm taking the info for my "wild conjecture" from The Lancet in March and the Annals of Internal Medicine from early May.

"There were 181 confirmed cases with identifiable exposure and symptom onset windows to estimate the incubation period of COVID-19. The median incubation period was estimated to be 5.1 days (95% CI, 4.5 to 5.8 days), and 97.5% of those who develop symptoms will do so within 11.5 days (CI, 8.2 to 15.6 days) of infection. These estimates imply that, under conservative assumptions, 101 out of every 10 000 cases (99th percentile, 482) will develop symptoms after 14 days of active monitoring or quarantine."

This data is echoed by the WHO, ECDC, CDC, HPSC, etc etc. I'm inclined to go with the elite level scientists behind these studies, and these bodies and agencies, and will continue to base my opinions on academic, peer-reviewed research ahead of some random langer who still thinks this is a bad flu.

Unless you can cite me a paper from the last fortnight that debunks these prior papers? In which case I'll rescind my previous post and will adapt my thoughts based on that new info. Cheers.

Eh that says that of those who develop symptoms, 97% do so within 11 days. Its does not match up to what you claimed it said which is "97% of people are symptomatic by day 11".

There is still a good proportion of people, over 50% of total infections by some estimates, who never show symptoms

double jobbing · 24-05-2020 10:33pm

snowcat wrote: »

Ok. Google might help. But look at Austria Switz Germany Netherlands Spain France Sweden Czech Uk Italy Norway Denmark I could go on

The misery merchants were positively salivating when post lockdown easing the German cases went up a bit and there was a brief spike in South Korea.

To my knowledge no country has postponed or pushed back a lockdown phase (bar I believe Singapore in the very early stage, and a city state isn't really comparable to a country), which is a very optimistic thing.

double jobbing · 24-05-2020 10:34pm

RobitTV wrote: »

We will get there, we will get there, we will get there, we will get there, we will get there, we will get there.

What does 'getting there' actually look like? - 0, 10 ,20 ,30 ,40 cases per day consistently over a course of the few weeks?

What do you they actually want to be achieved at this stage? the curve has been flattened. Why are they moving away from the original idea of the lockdown?

https://twitter.com/SimonHarrisTD/status/1264589830350127104

Indeed. Harris needs to tell us where the daily 50- 80 cases are occuring.

If 90 percent of them are happening in institutions, we are "there" already" to be honest.

I'll still keep my distance from lads in work but it would be nice to know if there really is a 1 in 15,000 chance I'm standing within a few ft of a carrier or whether there is more of it still out there.

Idbatterim · 24-05-2020 10:35pm

Have the dream team considered banning sex? Less people born = less people to die. Life is too high risk. I wonder do these w@nkers wrap themselves in cotton wool when they get home?

I wonder has varadkar asked kylie for advice on the situation

Gavlor · 24-05-2020 10:43pm

snowcat wrote: »

Why is that obviously global? Those figures sound about right. About 50k cancers id guess a year in Ireland, A terrible disease and way worse than covid with a higher mortatity rate. Will we shut the economy for it and give patients unlimited medical bills covered by the state. Id be hopeful but id like to see Simons take on it

One every 3 minutes, 10 every 30 minutes, 20 every hour. That’s 480 a day that’s over 3 times your guesstimate. Obviously not specific to Ireland and on reflection obviously not global either.

double jobbing · 24-05-2020 10:45pm

Another plus to re opening the economy is the tests are now 2 days to return a result starting from the point a patient contacts their doctor. I think it was over 5 only a week or two ago.

Mass testing, quick turnaround, get the show on the road. Might be a good idea to test every construction worker if we have the capacity for 100k a week and two day turnarounds, could effectively wipe it out in the sector, assuming it is there at all. Mass test every returning sector and rule them out.

Idbatterim · 24-05-2020 10:45pm

I wish one radio station didnt mention this bull**** at all, I reckon listenership would soar...

gipi · 24-05-2020 11:07pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

I wish one radio station didnt mention this bull**** at all, I reckon listenership would soar...

If you're in the Dublin area, try PirateFM, 88.1. They don't have DJs for the most part and don't do news bulletins. Just a wide range of music.

Arghus · 24-05-2020 11:08pm

TheCitizen wrote: »

I see this thread has been taken over entirely by the shrill panic merchants. The restrictions hopefully will be forwarded given the figures. Hang tough troops

I agree: The shrill panic merchants who say we're 100% going to have thousands of suicides and thousands more deaths from untreated cancers and a total economic collapse on top of that.

Lyle · 24-05-2020 11:16pm

hopalongcass wrote: »

I have no doubt you got that information somewhere,i think the WHO is long past being somewhere reputable to cite,as this farce rolls on and none of the 3rd world nations have been overrun.

Do you have similar issues with the HPSC? CDC? ECDC? A litany of medical journals? Have all of those lost reputability? Does the fact that the WHO endorses or acknowledges a study immediately ruin its reputability?

I got the info quoted from the Annals of Internal Medicine - https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-0504

hopalongcass wrote: »

Sad state of modern society nobody can think for themselves,you need a peer reviewed study to say its safe before you are gonna cross the road outside your house.

Cop on to yourself,you and ur ilk are dwindling by the day as the economy is falling off a cliff.I watched my elderly relations lives go to hell in the last few months,previously healthy active elderly people with nowhere to go or nothing to do,and its really starting to affect their health now at this point and it might be passing the point of no return,you people make me sick.

Hahahahahahaaaa. You sound absolutely tapped in the head, you might wanna go take a Xanax or an overdose of barbiturates or something and calm yourself down if you get in such a tizzy from a personally fabricated angular reading of another person's opinion.

Where did I even say remotely anything close to what you claim? I go out every day, as much as I can. Went for a long stroll earlier, had a swim this morning. I never said anything about not going out. You'd wanna project your hyper-agitated lunacy in a different direction, I haven't talked about my opinion of the lockdown or the behaviour of people therein, I offered an opinion based on the scientific understanding of the incubation period of the virus as it potentially relates to the lifting of restrictions and the relationship to the level of daily cases, that was it.

Of course I can think for myself, but I'm not an epidemiologist or a virologist, nor do I have access to large pools of data from which to conduct studies on the incubation period of a novel virus that has appeared in the human population for the first time ever in the last few months. Therefore the best possible understanding on such a topic can be gained from reading the analysis of experts on those matters.

Who are "my ilk"?

I'm sorry about your elderly relations lives going to hell. That is 100% genuine. This is hardest on them. One of mine died in a nursing home, the other two are also in homes and high risk. I understand the pain.

I'm sorry you're so fragile that you invented a narrative that made yourself sick. You just made me sad, but you also made me laugh so I guess it balances out.

niallo27 · 24-05-2020 11:16pm

RobitTV wrote: »

We will get there, we will get there, we will get there, we will get there, we will get there, we will get there.

What does 'getting there' actually look like? - 0, 10 ,20 ,30 ,40 cases per day consistently over a course of the few weeks?

What do you they actually want to be achieved at this stage? the curve has been flattened. Why are they moving away from the original idea of the lockdown?

https://twitter.com/SimonHarrisTD/status/1264589830350127104

People are really starting to turn on him, now in fairness its twitter but to see such a huge majority turning on him is encouraging.

RobitTV · 24-05-2020 11:35pm

This video shows how hysterical some people have become. Queen curtain twitcher.

https://twitter.com/JoshManMode/status/1263637559873277955

iamwhoiam · 24-05-2020 11:36pm

niallo27 wrote: »

People are really starting to turn on him, now in fairness its twitter but to see such a huge majority turning on him is encouraging.

He lost me with his “ Dont loose the run of yourselves “
Jesus ,,9 weeks in lockdown , doing exactly what was asked of us . Not seeing grandchildren for weeks on end , standing in queues for milk , having my hair cut by my husband , having a walk on the same road for 6 weeks , not seeing family or friends .Crying on whatsapp with my granddaughter because she was lonely
And he comes out with a patronising “ dont loose the run of yourselves “
Christ on a bike

double jobbing · 24-05-2020 11:41pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

He lost me with his “ Dont loose the run of yourselves “
Jesus ,,9 weeks in lockdown , doing exactly what was asked of us . Not seeing grandchildren for weeks on end , standing in queues for milk , having my hair cut by my husband , having a walk on the same road for 6 weeks , not seeing family or friends .
And he comes out with a patronising “ dont loose the run of yourselves “
Christ on a bike

Harris doesn't strike me as a pubgoer. He has never held a real job. I'd imagine his friends are his fellow TD's so he hasn't been cut off from them either.

He isn't doing lockdown like the rest of us are.

Let's not forget only a month ago this idiot made an off the cuff remark that he couldn't see pubs re opening before a vaccine is found. The shock that caused both to the industry and to us pubgoers, from the minister of ****ing health, when you weigh it up with several countries have started controlled re opening of slimmed down bars, it is staggering alarmism and negligence he displayed.

Jackman25 · 24-05-2020 11:41pm

https://twitter.com/bernardflynn15/status/1264641233290477574?s=20

Good to see Harris getting a lashing out of it below his tweet.

Some absolute f**kwits replying to this tweet whining about distancing.

bb1234567 · 24-05-2020 11:43pm

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I am happy you said that last sentence. Usual posters here would just say "mass graves in Brazil" as if tens of millions are dying.

Unfortunately BBC article chooses to show 2 men in white astronaut suits carrying a coffin. Desperate scare mongering when death rates in Brazil are 0.008% of population and as is road crashes account for more deaths there than covid. All of this is very unfortunate, but with 200 million population its naive to expect no to little deaths.

Yeh, Brazil has insanely high number of road traffic deaths, almost 50,000 last year, out of 1.26 million deaths in Brazil annually. It's not really an impressive or great achievement that the covid deaths are below it, in fact it's a bizarre comparison to make considering how astonishingly high it is. 22,600 covid deaths in addition to thousands of unreported is extremely high number of deaths in Brazil in 6 weeks even when taking into consideration the country size

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - Read OP for Mod Warnings