Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

stephenjmcd

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Walked past a few buses this morning that were full to their current capacity. 1 or 2 wearing masks and most drivers not. People making up their own minds as was expected

Are drivers not behind screens anyway?

Stark

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Some autistic people can’t wear masks. Simon Harris brother owns a charity for autistic people. Someone told me that was part of the reason. Absolutely ridiculous

Make them mandatory unless you have an exemption for specific issues such as above. Not ideal for someone to have to carry around an exemption note I know but there's no way out of the current situation that's nice for everybody and lockdown is probably the most wide ranging harmful solution of all. The autistic kids will suffer just as much when SNA funding and services evaporate after an extended lockdown destroys the economy.

Not to mention Facebook University is awash now with FUD about masks which is going to put more people off. We'll all be stuck watching Netflix in August while our friends in Europe are enjoying their summer holidays.

stephenjmcd

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I won't be wearing masks. I don't use public transport though, live alone, and tend not to get up close and personal with strangers in the shops.

Plus, I don't buy into the hysteria around this whole thing and increasingly less worried as more information and declining numbers has emerged.

I'll continue to wash my hands regularly, limit shopping trips (something I would do anyway as not a fan of it unless for cool stuff), limit distance as far as is practical, and will be at home most of the time anyway.

But the time has come to start moving on and that's what I'll do.

I'd be of the same line of thinking as yourself. As long as the traffic is relatively light I'm driving in and out of work but when its starts to build again I'll be back onto the bus.

Ginger n Lemon

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Big issues on certain dublin bus routes this morning..services full after a few stops and queues at stops in the city.

That is a big issue absolutely if you have an underlying condition or you are elderly on the bus.

Anything else is normal business taking its course. People will flood public transport, all opened shops, starting today.

This process has kicked off and it can't be stopped, government cant go into lockdown again as that will mean essentially damaging our economy to the point of no return. (at which stage its not covid they should worry about but rather public unrest) Nor do we have enough Gardai to put on every bus, they are busy going undercover in Donegal to expose some pubs pouring pints.

I appreciate some people would prefer social distancing but you need realise thats not how we've been building our modern world over the last 100 years.

Ginger n Lemon

Deleted User wrote: »

What's your point? That these people died from Covid 19 and I should have known that while posting my own anecdotal account?

Whether people choose to believe what I posted is one thing, but I presented a case where there was a real human and family. You are whatabouting now about deaths in February which were never tested and may or may not have been related to Covid 19.

It doesn't at all detract from my point that the reported death numbers are not crystal clear. If anything, it supports it.

Well I find it horrifying that there are people who are dying off cancer but covid19 is put down as cause of death on death cert. How can you expect to treat covid even remotely serious if such stories circulate and they are clearly valid?

Perhaps explains why RTE/NPHET not once said what underlying conditions any person dying from covid had in the state, in the 60 + news episodes now.

stephenjmcd

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

That is a big issue absolutely if you have an underlying condition or you are elderly on the bus.

Anything else is normal business taking its course. People will flood public transport, all opened shops, starting today.

This process has kicked off and it can't be stopped, government cant go into lockdown again as that will mean essentially damaging our economy to the point of no return. (at which stage its not covid they should worry about but rather public unrest) Nor do we have enough Gardai to put on every bus, they are busy going undercover in Donegal to expose some pubs pouring pints.

I appreciate some people would prefer social distancing but you need realise thats not how we've been building our modern world over the last 100 years.

Public transport is an issue regardless. This morning you've people waiting at bus stops heading to work and the buses cant stop because they're "full" with about 15 people on board. It all comes down to social distancing wont be possible on public transport and demand this morning proves it.

Ginger n Lemon

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Public transport is an issue regardless. This morning you've people waiting at bus stops heading to work and the buses cant stop because they're "full" with about 15 people on board. It all comes down to social distancing wont be possible on public transport and demand this morning proves it.

Absolutely, and we are just at phase 1... can easily see some public unrest at these bus stops/busses now, that will likely cause harm and force government to come out and reduce social distancing to 1 metre (a bit like what they are doing in Denmark and Czech republic)

CalamariFritti

Deleted User wrote: »

way back 10 weeks ago the message was clear, 2km for exercise only, but travel further to shops was permitted. This meant you wouldn't be stuck doing your weekly shopping in the local Spar ! This was actually made clear by Leo Varadkar himself after a few people at the beginning were confused. I cant believe at this stage people still don't undertand that.

Thats not 100% fair on me. I was pretty sure I had understood it right. I had read the text of the regulation/law. But when challenged on the spot by a guard what was I going to do?

Deleted User wrote: »

Whether the Gardai decide to challenge you on what shops you go to and what you buy is up to them (I certainly hadn't heard this from anyone)
..........but if they did that I would challenge them back. Are they going to arrest you because you are driving to Lidl instead of Spar? I couldnt afford to do a weekly shop in Spar!
You need to be prepared and have answers ready in case you're stopped at checkpoints.

Having said that I drove from Louth to Kildare yesterday to visit my sister. Its 1.5 hours away and after 10 weeks of being on my own during this lockdown I had enough. Best thing ever! Get on with your lives

I think this is where I failed. I dint think I was going to be challenged like that and had nothing prepared. So all I could come up with was that I wasn't prepared to go through my shopping list with the member and that I didnt think the law gave them that permission. That wasn't received well and eventually I was threatened with a report to DPP.

I was able to defuse the situation later but the member sounded dead serious.

The thing that frustrates me the most is the way we are reporting on Covid 19, both from Tony/HSE and the media in the country.

Its not at all easy to find any information on the deaths. Age breakdown in particular would be interesting to see. Tony had to be pushed to provide this about a week ago but I haven't seen it since. I think the majority of the general public probably didn't see that breakdown either. Another day they gave some details on the underlying issues patients suffered from, but again nothing since.

I had to look quite hard to find that over 90% of deaths were over 65. (with the majority actually over 80). If I just watched the news or read the papers, I'd probably assume that people of all ages were dying in equal numbers. It would also be nice to know how many people died only due to Covid vs those that died with Covid as one factor.

While its obviously not a pleasant situation for the elderly, surely the general public would have less to fear if the real stats were easier to find and reported on properly.

Way too many people are in fear of catching this, thinking they are at very high risk when they really aren't. One has to wonder whose interests is it in for people to remain in fear?

CalamariFritti

Sorry Jac,

but I can't agree with you there.

The presentation of the information is not 100% perfect but what you are looking for is all there on gov.ie. Core number breakdowns are even included in the daily briefings. Like median and average age of deaths for example.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

The thing that frustrates me the most is the way we are reporting on Covid 19, both from Tony/HSE and the media in the country.

Its not at all easy to find any information on the deaths. Age breakdown in particular would be interesting to see. Tony had to be pushed to provide this about a week ago but I haven't seen it since. I think the majority of the general public probably didn't see that breakdown either. Another day they gave some details on the underlying issues patients suffered from, but again nothing since.

I had to look quite hard to find that over 90% of deaths were over 65. (with the majority actually over 80). If I just watched the news or read the papers, I'd probably assume that people of all ages were dying in equal numbers. It would also be nice to know how many people died only due to Covid vs those that died with Covid as one factor.

While its obviously not a pleasant situation for the elderly, surely the general public would have less to fear if the real stats were easier to find and reported on properly.

Way too many people are in fear of catching this, thinking they are at very high risk when they really aren't. One has to wonder whose interests is it in for people to remain in fear?

More hospitalisations in under 65s than over 65s though. It depends what stats you are looking at. Just looking at deaths is a simplistic analysis of the effect that COVID-19 can have medically.

CalamariFritti

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Sorry Jac,

but I can't agree with you there.

The presentation of the information is not 100% perfect but what you are looking for is all there on gov.ie. Core number breakdowns are even included in the daily briefings. Like median and average age of deaths for example.

I stand corrected if its all there. I'll have a look around.
Thanks

Kermit.de.frog

Up to 100,000 construction workers back to work today as of this morning according to RTE with more to follow in coming days/weeks.

stephenjmcd

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The thing that frustrates me the most is the way we are reporting on Covid 19, both from Tony/HSE and the media in the country.

Its not at all easy to find any information on the deaths. Age breakdown in particular would be interesting to see. Tony had to be pushed to provide this about a week ago but I haven't seen it since. I think the majority of the general public probably didn't see that breakdown either. Another day they gave some details on the underlying issues patients suffered from, but again nothing since.

I had to look quite hard to find that over 90% of deaths were over 65. (with the majority actually over 80). If I just watched the news or read the papers, I'd probably assume that people of all ages were dying in equal numbers. It would also be nice to know how many people died only due to Covid vs those that died with Covid as one factor.

While its obviously not a pleasant situation for the elderly, surely the general public would have less to fear if the real stats were easier to find and reported on properly.

Way too many people are in fear of catching this, thinking they are at very high risk when they really aren't. One has to wonder whose interests is it in for people to remain in fear?

I think they give the overall break down by age range once per week but I do agree with you regarding the issue of reporting anyone with a positive test as a covid death.

w/s/p/c/

Drove by Airside Retail Park in Swords this morning on the way to Lidl at about 8:30. Queues outside Woodies were not too bad, B&Q looked really busy. People standing waiting in the rain to get in. Why would you bother!

vicwatson

I suppose satellite dish installers are phase 2?

_Kaiser_

vicwatson wrote: »

I suppose satellite dish installers are phase 2?

Could do with one of those myself to tidy up a freesat/saorview installation for me that the first guy made a bit of a mess of.

Vicxas

Isnt the likes of car dealerships a little redundant in this phase seeing as anything outside 5k is unreachable?

Micky 32

amandstu wrote: »

Surely not any distance.....only within reason.
You couldn't get your groceries in Limerick if you lived in Cork

True. I know someone that lives in a small village and went to go to a major town 10km away to shop. The cops turned them back because their own village had a small supermarket.

Stark

w/s/p/c/ wrote: »

Drove by Airside Retail Park in Swords this morning on the way to Lidl at about 8:30. Queues outside Woodies were not too bad, B&Q looked really busy. People standing waiting in the rain to get in. Why would you bother!

Probably to avoid the queues when the sun comes out

Vicxas

Vicxas wrote: »

Isnt the likes of car dealerships a little redundant in this phase seeing as anything outside 5k is unreachable?

5K is only for exercise.
Buying a car could also be considered essential, depending on the circumstances.

bs2014

Folks, phase 1 of lockdown.

If you need to get work done to your car, does the garage need to be within 5km (I have work semi arranged pre covid with a garage but they are like 100km away); god knows when I'll be able to go based on the mileage restrictions.

Also, I attend a counsellor in Dublin (120km) away, I'm sick of doing the whatsapp video calls and he is back in the practice this week. Is that dare I say 'an exuse/exception' to go beyond the 5km limit.

Thanks.

retro:electro

Micky 32 wrote: »

True. I know someone that lives in a small village and went to go to a major town 10km away to shop. The cops turned them back because their own village had a small supermarket.

I live beside an Aldi but usually do my shopping in Dunnes. I was stopped a few weeks ago and asked where I was from and why am I heading to Dunnes if there are shops beside me. I just said I have a Dunnes gift card and am using that for my shopping and it’s saving me money. She said grand and waived me on. Once you have a decent excuse they aren’t going to turn you around.

Hooked

bs2014 wrote: »

Folks, phase 1 of lockdown.

If you need to get work done to your car, does the garage need to be within 5km (I have work semi arranged pre covid with a garage but they are like 100km away); god knows when I'll be able to go based on the mileage restrictions.

Also, I attend a counsellor in Dublin (120km) away, I'm sick of doing the whatsapp video calls and he is back in the practice this week. Is that dare I say 'an exuse/exception' to go beyond the 5km limit.

Thanks.

If it was me - I'd be driving to both!

I passed 5 council workers on a street corner that may as well have been in a scrum! And our local B&Q is jointed!
What harm are you doing in your car heading to 2 essential appointments.

RollieFingers

w/s/p/c/ wrote: »

Drove by Airside Retail Park in Swords this morning on the way to Lidl at about 8:30. Queues outside Woodies were not too bad, B&Q looked really busy. People standing waiting in the rain to get in. Why would you bother!

Couldn't pay me to que outside a B&Q in the rain, you'd want your head checked!

retro:electro

retro:electro wrote: »

I live beside an Aldi but usually do my shopping in Dunnes. I was stopped a few weeks ago and asked where I was from and why am I heading to Dunnes if there are shops beside me. I just said I have a Dunnes gift card and am using that for my shopping and it’s saving me money. She said grand and waived me on. Once you have a decent excuse they aren’t going to turn you around.

Guards definitely exceeding their authority in these situations. No guidance or rules issued have indicated that people are required to go to their nearest supermarket

On a side note, where are all these checkpoints? Have not seen one since this started.

Hooked

RollieFingers wrote: »

Couldn't pay me to que outside a B&QUEUE!!!! in the rain, you'd want your head checked!

fixed that for ya!

CalamariFritti

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Thats not 100% fair on me. I was pretty sure I had understood it right. I had read the text of the regulation/law. But when challenged on the spot by a guard what was I going to do?



I think this is where I failed. I dint think I was going to be challenged like that and had nothing prepared. So all I could come up with was that I wasn't prepared to go through my shopping list with the member and that I didnt think the law gave them that permission. That wasn't received well and eventually I was threatened with a report to DPP.

I was able to defuse the situation later but the member sounded dead serious.

didnt mean to be hard on you and apologies if I came across as that
Yes the plan is to have your answers and excuses ready if you think you might meet a checkpoint! Otherwise its tough. I think its awful that you were threatened with a report to the DPP. You are better off saying you need to visit a vulnerable relative and bring them some shopping.

I'd say there should be less of these checkpoints at this stage anyway.

retro:electro

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Guards definitely exceeding their authority in these situations. No guidance or rules issued have indicated that people are required to go to their nearest supermarket

On a side note, where are all these checkpoints? Have not seen one since this started.

This was the weekend of May bank holiday. Have not seen one since.

Micky 32

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Agree with you. I don't expect any issues. After all, if I was stopped the worst that can happen is I'm sent home - which is exactly where I am going.

I have seen a couple of cases where the cops have told people to turn around and they refused. They didn’t stop or arrest them but told them a file will be sent to the dpp.