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2021 Irish EV sales

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    #62
    Phil.x
    Registered Users Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭Phil.x


    ewj1978 wrote: »
    Seen my first id3 in the flesh the other day. A grey paint job on it. Nice alloys, Pro edition on the side. Looked well spacious inside. Very nice looking tbh.

    Also very spacious inside.


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    #63
    Black_Knight
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    March numbers, all numbers from https://stats.beepbeep.ie/

    11.28% of new cars sold in March were electric bringing us to 5.87% for the year to date.

    Rank|Make|Model|March 2021 Units|Total
    1|NISSAN|LEAF|156| 445
    2|VOLKSWAGEN|ID.4|411| 411
    3|VOLKSWAGEN|ID.3|61|377
    4|TESLA|MODEL 3|148|325
    5|KIA|NIRO|48|268
    6|HYUNDAI|KONA|75|197
    7|RENAULT|ZOE|22|129
    8|HYUNDAI|IONIQ|30|97
    9|PEUGEOT|2008|11|96
    10|AUDI|E-TRON|20|70
    11|OPEL|CORSA|7|67
    12|MINI|MINI HATCH|4|61
    13|PEUGEOT|208|3|58
    14|MG|MG ZS|12|49
    15|MAZDA|MX|11|37
    16|PORSCHE|TAYCAN|5|36
    17|KIA|SOUL|4|27
    18|BMW|I3|5|26
    19|MERCEDES-BENZ|EQC|2|14
    20|HONDA|HONDA E|4|14
    21|JAGUAR|I-PACE|3|12
    22|LEXUS|UX|2|8
    23|TESLA|MODEL S|2|4
    24|TESLA|MODEL X|0|1
    25|MG|MG5|0|1
    26|PORSCHE|OTHER PORSCHE|0|1


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    #64
    slave1
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    Don't get that Leaf figure

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    #65
    PaulRyan97
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    Updated my sales spreadsheet.


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    #66
    Black_Knight
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    slave1 wrote: »
    Don't get that Leaf figure

    Yeah they're selling surprisingly well to my eyes. Did Nissan have any promo going of late? I'd say they're desperate (from a marketing standpoint) to hold onto that "best selling EV in Ireland" line.


    They could do with updating their site:
    https://www.nissan.ie/vehicles/new-vehicles/leaf.html
    Europe's top-selling 100% electric car* has two versions for 2019 to match a range of lifestyles - Nissan LEAF 40kWh and Nissan LEAF 62kWh.
    New for 2019, the 62kWh Nissan LEAF is equipped with....


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    #67
    AndyBoBandy
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    Black_Knight wrote: »
    Yeah they're selling surprisingly well to my eyes. Did Nissan have any promo going of late? I'd say they're desperate (from a marketing standpoint) to hold onto that "best selling EV in Ireland" line.

    I see a few knocking around with FAI logo's on them, so they must be lending a ton of them out to partners etc.....

    I assume that figure of 445 for the year is registrations, and not actual sales?


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    #68
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    PaulRyan97 wrote: »
    Updated my sales spreadsheet.

    Very nice. Interesting trend overall in the last 5 years. Car sales slowing down. I remember watching some video around car sales in America a couple of years back. It talked about how car sales are slowing down, and there was some marketing excuse for it (I can't remember what it was) but they (the 2 lads on the video) theorised that car sales are slowing because people are looking towards EVs, and right now they don't see the right option for them at the right price point, but instead of committing to another new ICE car for 2-3 years, they're holding onto their existing car and waiting for the right EV. Think it talked about how mechanics for 2nd hand cars are going to get very busy for a period of time too, because everyone is holding onto their car.

    TLDR. That car sales thread graph reminded me of a video saying car sales will slow down as people wait for the right EV to come along.


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    #69
    unkel
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    slave1 wrote: »
    Don't get that Leaf figure

    €25k for a Leaf is a decent proposition. How much is the cheapest ID.3 (a much smaller car) currently?


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    #70
    AndyBoBandy
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    unkel wrote: »
    €25k for a Leaf is a decent proposition.

    ...and you get an exclusive charging network... :mad:


    its a fcuking great proposition...


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    #71
    slave1
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    slave1 wrote: »
    Don't get that Leaf figure
    unkel wrote: »
    €25k for a Leaf is a decent proposition. How much is the cheapest ID.3 (a much smaller car) currently?

    Surely the clued in will just get a used Ioniq28 and pocket the difference, same range give or take, faster charging, CCS etc

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    #72
    cannco253
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    Numerous VW dealers kept telling me only 250 ID.4 1st editions were coming to Ireland, I wonder where they all came up with that figure from...


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    #73
    eagerv
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    cannco253 wrote: »
    Numerous VW dealers kept telling me only 250 ID.4 1st editions were coming to Ireland, I wonder where they all came up with that figure from...


    They are all experts at that:). Last June I think I was told there would only be about 10 more Niros coming into the country that year!
    Makes the customer feel there is little point in looking for discounts...


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    #74
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,697 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    In general dealers are clueless when it comes to EVs, wifey is out looking at VW, Hyundai and Peugeot today and the utter nonsense they are saying is off the charts, clueless straight off the brochure crap

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    #75
    Black_Knight
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    slave1 wrote: »
    Surely the clued in will just get a used Ioniq28 and pocket the difference, same range give or take, faster charging, CCS etc

    Is finance an issue? New cars have cheaper finance options I guess 0% on the leaf. Second hand could be a bank loan, or cash.


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    #76
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,373 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    You can get a leaf for about 400 a month with no deposit on pcp. They are giving them away.


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    #77
    cannco253
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    Nissan getting rid of Leaf stock given that the Ariya is coming later in the year with CCS.


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    #78
    KCross
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    slave1 wrote: »
    Don't get that Leaf figure

    Because its a perfectly good car for the money... maybe? ;)

    It has no major software or hardware issues unlike VW and Tesla who are supposedly at the forefront! :D.
    Its a nice drive, comfy seats, reasonable range, decent size, reasonable money....

    Its only the geeks on here that consider the Leaf to be obsolete. For the buying public, who dont even know what boards.ie is, its just an EV, so it is at the forefront of tech for them, not obsolete.


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    #79
    AndyBoBandy
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    KCross wrote: »
    Its only the geeks on here that consider the Leaf to be obsolete. For the buying public, who dont even know what boards.ie is, its just an EV, so it is at the forefront of tech for them, not obsolete.

    I’d consider it to be a very viable option as it’s cheap and has the pedigree that comes with being one of the first mass market EV’s, Ever.

    If only they ditched the antiquated CHAdeMO plug on it to bring in into the 21st century.......
    If they did that, and eCars swapped all the CHAdeMO plugs for CCS, the fast charging network would essentially double overnight, with any car using all the plugs....


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    #80
    innrain
    Registered Users Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭innrain


    ID4 dethrones Tucson as the top sold car for March 2021. I know is a slow month but still I think it is a first when an EV comes on top.


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    #81
    Kramer
    Registered Users Posts: 3,224 ✭✭✭Kramer


    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    if ...eCars swapped all the CHAdeMO plugs for CCS, the fast charging network would essentially double overnight, with any car using all the plugs....

    99%+ of single 50kW DC units can only charge one car at a time, regardless of DC connector type.

    Lexus new BEV is CHAdeMO too......... & Outlanders.......thousands of legacy Leafs......

    Leave CHAdeMO alone :P.


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    #82
    AndyBoBandy
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    innrain wrote: »
    ID4 dethrones Tucson as the top sold car for March 2021. I know is a slow month but still I think it is a first when an EV comes on top.

    you can't really count the month a car finally hits the Irish market as there would be big back orders etc... so you'll always see huge numbers when it's first released...

    Wasn't the Model 3 the highest selling car in the month they finally started delivering them here?


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    #83
    innrain
    Registered Users Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭innrain


    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    Wasn't the Model 3 the highest selling car in the month they finally started delivering them here?


    You're right. Not in the first month but October 2019 Model 3 was top with 174 units


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    #84
    Black_Knight
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    April numbers, all numbers from https://stats.beepbeep.ie/

    8.37% of new cars sold in March were electric bringing us to 6.18% for the year to date.
    Top 20 EVs in Ireland in 2021. Bad month for Nissan. VW clear dominators this year.
    Rank|Make|Model|April 2021 Units|Total
    1| VOLKSWAGEN| ID.4|219 |626
    2| VOLKSWAGEN| ID.3|109 |485
    3| NISSAN| LEAF|29 |469
    4| KIA| NIRO|67 |335
    5| TESLA| MODEL 3|10 |335
    6| HYUNDAI| KONA| 27|223
    7| RENAULT| ZOE|28 |157
    8| PEUGEOT| 2008|11 |107
    9| HYUNDAI| IONIQ|6 |102
    10| AUDI| E-TRON|27 |95
    11| PEUGEOT| 208|11 |69
    12| MINI| MINI HATCH|5 |66
    13| OPEL| CORSA| 0|66
    14| MG| MG ZS| 12|61
    15| MAZDA| MX|7 |44
    16| PORSCHE| TAYCAN|6 |42
    17| KIA| SOUL| 5|32
    18| BMW| I3| 1|27
    19| JAGUAR| I-PACE|7 |19
    20| MERCEDES-BENZ| EQC|3 |17


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    #85
    Kramer
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    Black_Knight wrote: »
    April numbers, all numbers from https://stats.beepbeep.ie/

    Notwithstanding our January/July sales peaks & manufacturer release dates etc., VW sold more BEVs than EVERY OTHER manufacturer, COMBINED, in March :eek:.

    They're going to dominate, followed by the Koreans, for the foreseeable future IMO.


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    #86
    the_amazing_raisin
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    Kramer wrote: »
    Notwithstanding our January/July sales peaks & manufacturer release dates etc., VW sold more BEVs than EVERY OTHER manufacturer, COMBINED, in March :eek:.

    They're going to dominate, followed by the Koreans, for the foreseeable future IMO.

    A fair chunk of that was probably pent up demand for the ID.4, but if they can keep 100+ units per month average of both models then I think you're correct, they'll completely blow away the competition

    It's telling that if you go onto VW's Ireland page, you have to scroll halfway down the page before they even mention an ICE car

    I think the Hyundai/Kia EV wave will come in 2022, based on how the E-Niro/Kona were supply constrained when they came out. Add in Hyundai/Kia Ireland's ambivalent attitude towards EVs and I think they'll stay niche for this year

    Tesla will no doubt pick up when Giga Berlin opens, but between paddy taxes and reduced EV incentives I don't think they'll be competing with the lower bracket ID.3/4s

    Nissan are basically dead, waiting for the Ariya to rescue them

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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    #87
    slave1
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    Delivery volumes, same with Kona, M3 etc, but they will deffo be up there and word of their software woes will start trickling though the masses.
    Nissan will pick up a lot with the Ariya, they have a large proven EV sale structure via the Leaf and the Ariya is a looker and great size/spec.

    3 EQC's, nice to get a go in one of those, EV porn on the inside

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    #88
    ELM327
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    1,000 IDs sold this year to date is impressive!


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    #89
    cannco253
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    https://cleantechnica.com/2021/05/15/10-european-countries-volkswagen-id-4-id-3-top-ev-sales-list-in-april-tesla-model-3-vw-id-4-in-january-april/

    "The biggest news in April was that the Volkswagen ID.4 and Volkswagen ID.3 were far and away #1 and #2 in those 10 European countries (combined sales).

    Looking at the full first 4 months of the year, the Tesla Model 3 is still comfortably holding onto its #1 position, and the ID.4 hasn’t yet caught up to the ID.3 — or even the Renault ZOE (#3), Hyundai Kona EV (#4), or Volkswagen e-Up (#5). Though, considering the April numbers, we could expect the ID.4 to climb at least a couple of spots in May"

    As expected really, it will be interesting to see what happens in the next 2 or 3 months with VW.


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    #90
    the_amazing_raisin
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    cannco253 wrote: »
    https://cleantechnica.com/2021/05/15/10-european-countries-volkswagen-id-4-id-3-top-ev-sales-list-in-april-tesla-model-3-vw-id-4-in-january-april/

    "The biggest news in April was that the Volkswagen ID.4 and Volkswagen ID.3 were far and away #1 and #2 in those 10 European countries (combined sales).

    Looking at the full first 4 months of the year, the Tesla Model 3 is still comfortably holding onto its #1 position, and the ID.4 hasn’t yet caught up to the ID.3 — or even the Renault ZOE (#3), Hyundai Kona EV (#4), or Volkswagen e-Up (#5). Though, considering the April numbers, we could expect the ID.4 to climb at least a couple of spots in May"

    As expected really, it will be interesting to see what happens in the next 2 or 3 months with VW.

    It's interesting because you can tell the volume runners are companies that have thrown their weight behind EVs

    Tesla, fairly obvious
    VW, 2 factories in Europe flat out producing EVs, another being converted, another planned to be converted
    Renault, bit dated but it's hard to beat the Zoe for value
    PSA group, I'd call them a latecomer but the e208 and other vehicles seem a good offer
    Hyundai/Kia, seem to finally be churning volume with the Kona/E-Niro

    And by contrast the others

    Mercedes, don't care
    BMW, don't care
    Volvo, barely care
    Polestar, great car but not a volume runner
    Fiat, don't care
    Mazda, don't care
    Etc

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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    #91
    idc
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    Just curious what is it that has pushed VW so high in the numbers versus say PSA group. Is the ID 3 a much better car than e208 ?


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