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Equality of marriage and love

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  • #152
    Going Strong
    Registered Users Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Going Strong


    Merces wrote: »
    That won't happen. Fianna Fail are smart enough to know that the majority of the No vote came from the older generation and they are not going to be around forever and their ranks won't be replenished as every generation becomes more liberal.

    Oh I know. I'd like to think it's more a case of Quinn knowing that the referendum result has shown up the "Emperor's New Clothes" of Iona et al. So, now he's desperate to hitch his wagon to some other organisation in an attempt to make Iona and himself of course, look like they're somehow relevant.

    A GE next year and Labour making noises about the 8th amendment means that there's a load of 'balanced' airtime that Dave and his self-regarding friends could be filling up.


  • #153
    volchitsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,339 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    I am still amused that you only ever do seem to see the posts that you want to reply to all the same :D
    (FTFY - though I didn't reply to it, I commented on it, which as you pointed out below is not quite the same thing)
    But since my comment was not actually on the cartoon, it was on Cabaals comment on Links234 cartoon, should I not engage with the comment just because the cartoon fits your narrative?
    But you didn't engage with it, you misrepresented it completely. It was specifically about the cartoon and what that told us about what has apparently become a widespread view of the Catholic Church, not just in Ireland but in other countries too.

    Your attempt at dismissing it is transparent and tbh, silly. If you want to believe I couldn't reply to your actual post if I thought it worth doing, knock yourself out.
    Still never let a discussion get in the way of what looks like a good line, especially when it looks like you can go after the poster rather than the post again, eh Volchitsa?
    Whereas you are doing what there? :D

    I was pointing out the problem with the content of your post. It misrepresents the post it pretends to reply to. I can't help it if it's your habitual posting style - only you can do something about that.

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • #154
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Mod:

    Mentioning you have a poster on your ignore list. Is a no no. Further continuing to take a few swipes at that poster is an even bigger no no. This and your subsequent post are unacceptable. Should it continue the mod team may have no choice but to pull the cards out of rob's drawer. :(
    volchitsa wrote: »
    I think I may just have to take Absolam off my ignore list - not to bother trying to engage, but just so I can read some of his gems, as the comedy value is just too good to pass up on!

    As a comment on a German cartoon about child sex abuse by catholic priests, the intellectual effort shown here by Absolam in managing (deliberately I presume) to completely miss the point is truly awesome!

    (FYI, all posts are visible when reading the site while not logged in, which is how I saw this one.)


  • #155
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Mod:

    Mentioning you have a poster on your ignore list. Is a no no. Further continuing to take a few swipes at that poster is an even bigger no no. This and your subsequent post are unacceptable. Should it continue the mod team may have no choice but to pull the cards out of rob's drawer. :(

    Is Rob on a day off? If he is gone to get a bit of fresh air and away from that industrial blue carpet then I don't blame him.


  • #156
    volchitsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,339 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Mod:

    Mentioning you have a poster on your ignore list. Is a no no. Further continuing to take a few swipes at that poster is an even bigger no no. This and your subsequent post are unacceptable. Should it continue the mod team may have no choice but to pull the cards out of rob's drawer. :(

    Ok, sorry. Genuinely didn't know it wasn't allowed, as I've seen others do it before. I won't do it again.

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



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  • #157
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Is Rob on a day off? If he is gone to get a bit of fresh air and away from that industrial blue carpet then I don't blame him.

    If you have a crush on Rob - which appears somewhat plausible - might I suggest asking less nosy stalker type questions? It is a little bit creepy.


  • #158
    Shrap
    Registered Users Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Mod:

    Mentioning you have a poster on your ignore list. Is a no no. Further continuing to take a few swipes at that poster is an even bigger no no. This and your subsequent post are unacceptable. Should it continue the mod team may have no choice but to pull the cards out of rob's drawer. :(

    Sorry too, as I joined in. Also apologies to Absolam - that wasn't nice of me :(


  • #159
    Absolam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,913 ✭✭✭Absolam


    volchitsa wrote: »
    (FTFY - though I didn't reply to it, I commented on it, which as you pointed out below is not quite the same thing)
    Did you not want to reply to it? You can say so, I don't mind.
    volchitsa wrote: »
    But you didn't engage with it, you misrepresented it completely. It was specifically about the cartoon and what that told us about what has apparently become a widespread view of the Catholic Church, not just in Ireland but in other countries too.
    How exactly was it misrepresented? It was quoted in full, so it was hardly that, and I didn't try to ascribe any meaning to it, so it wasn't that. Pointing out that another statement might be more accurate only make a representation as to the accuracy of the statement, and I'm afraid I have to stand over that, I think my statement might actually be more accurate.
    volchitsa wrote: »
    Your attempt at dismissing it is transparent and tbh, silly. If you want to believe I couldn't reply to your actual post if I thought it worth doing, knock yourself out.
    It is? Oh dear.
    volchitsa wrote: »
    Whereas you are doing what there? :D
    Pointing out what you did in your post that I quoted?
    volchitsa wrote: »
    I was pointing out the problem with the content of your post. It misrepresents the post it pretends to reply to. I can't help it if it's your habitual posting style - only you can do something about that.
    You did say that twice, but you seem a little reticent to point out what is being misrepresented?


  • #160
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Turtwig wrote: »
    If you have a crush on Rob - which appears somewhat plausible - might I suggest asking less nosy stalker type questions? It is a little bit creepy.

    I'm sure Rob is a nice chap but I don't think we have much in common, thank God.


  • #161
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    I'm sure Rob is a nice chap but I don't think we have much in common, thank God.
    Not an especially helpful comment to pass about somebody you've never knowingly met.

    *sheesh*


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  • #162
    The Black Oil
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Nodin wrote: »
    Comedy time with Breda

    The full whinge
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/breda-o-brien-an-inconvenient-truth-about-the-same-sex-marriage-referendum-1.2224422

    I expect they're sick of marriage equality letters at this point. I sent this to the editor.
    Sir,

    A key reason the no campaign was unsuccessful was that it had virtually nothing positive to say. Breda O' Brien's column of May 25th is more evidence of same. Perhaps, to paraphrase a late sports broadcaster, she might leave it there so.

    Yours, etc

    Moderator: Television, Psychology and Dublin County North.

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  • #163
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    Simple democratic reality of this is it's a yes/no referendum. The Yes side one by quite a substantial majority and with a high turn out.

    There's huge mandate for not only gay marriage but also a bright, friendly signal that the GLBT community is more than welcome to be fully part of Irish society.

    I'm getting a bit fed up with this looking for the 'no' side to be accommodated thing. That's not how simple yes/no referenda work.

    Do we hear Breda and the lads clamouring to ensure that the pro-choice side of the abortion debate get accommodated? Not a hope of them ever doing that!

    Anyway, the next time I hear about the topic of gay marriage, I will hopefully be drunk and partying at someone's wedding!


  • #164
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Oklahoma's lower house passes a bill restricting marriage to religious people. Next up is consideration by the upper house and if passed, and signed into law, presumably atheists, agnostics and other non-traditionals can presumably sod off and get married somewhere else:

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/03/oklahoma-house-passes-bill-restricting-marriage-to-people-of-faith/


  • #165
    JaseBelleVie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 936 ✭✭✭JaseBelleVie


    And we thought Texas was bad. Sweet Jesus.

    I always have a great deal of pity and sympathy for any "normal" people (see: Democrat voters, atheists/agnostics, educated people) who live in the Bible Belt/Southern States of the USA. They must feel so frustrated living in such a Conservative Christian area, and equally, they probably feel the need to explain that they are not loopers every time they leave the State to go to Satan's States (ie. anywhere outside the South).


  • #166
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The US Supreme Court really shoud have some sort of fast-track process to initiate cases to strike down crap like that as soon as it's signed. I wouldn't see any need for the hearing to last more than five minutes.

    Scrap the cap!



  • #167
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    The Black Oil wrote: »
    I expect they're sick of marriage equality letters at this point. I sent this to the editor.

    You're a better person than I am, I'd have just written "Hey Breda, you lost, nah nah nah nah nah!" :D

    Reading Breda's various columns and statements, she seems absolutely obsessed with gay sex and sperm. I was trying to think of a joke about why she was so butthurt but my mind just wouldn't go there.


  • #168
    looksee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,773 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Ok, I am doing an in-depth survey and making deductions from my observations (of a few roads around where I live). All the yes vote signs have been taken down. There are numerous No votes signs still hanging from lampposts. Does this mean that No-voters have a very short attention span? Does it mean they are hoping to still convince people that 'a child is forever' or whatever the signs say? Are they too dis-spirited to be bothered? Do they know that, unlike political parties, they can't be identified and held responsible for littering (can they?)?


  • #169
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,666 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    looksee wrote: »
    Ok, I am doing an in-depth survey and making deductions from my observations (of a few roads around where I live). All the yes vote signs have been taken down. There are numerous No votes signs still hanging from lampposts. Does this mean that No-voters have a very short attention span? Does it mean they are hoping to still convince people that 'a child is forever' or whatever the signs say? Are they too dis-spirited to be bothered? Do they know that, unlike political parties, they can't be identified and held responsible for littering (can they?)?

    they are waiting for the Yes side to continue what they were doing during the campaign :pac:

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #170
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    silverharp wrote: »
    they are waiting for the Yes side to continue what they were doing during the campaign :pac:

    Clarifying that the bullcrap from the no side was exactly that? Yes, we are still doing that.


  • #171
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,964 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Maybe Waterford Whispers News got it right? http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2015/05/28/defiant-no-side-leave-campaign-posters-up-in-desperation/


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  • #172
    Going Strong
    Registered Users Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Going Strong


    looksee wrote: »
    Ok, I am doing an in-depth survey and making deductions from my observations (of a few roads around where I live). All the yes vote signs have been taken down. There are numerous No votes signs still hanging from lampposts. Does this mean that No-voters have a very short attention span? Does it mean they are hoping to still convince people that 'a child is forever' or whatever the signs say? Are they too dis-spirited to be bothered? Do they know that, unlike political parties, they can't be identified and held responsible for littering (can they?)?

    Possibly because they used a third party to do a lot of the posters and leaflet campaign so have no idea where the posters were put up.


  • #173
    looksee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,773 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Maybe Waterford Whispers News got it right? http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2015/05/28/defiant-no-side-leave-campaign-posters-up-in-desperation/

    Ha! I hadn't seen that, is this only in Waterford I wonder?


  • #174
    Going Strong
    Registered Users Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Going Strong


    Had a read of The Sunday Times at my parents. Six letters about the referendum and all "No". Each one a masterpiece of whining along the same lines we've been hearing all week. "Gay meejah hoors hijacked the media", "Won't someone *please* think of us bigots", "We haven't gone away you know - watch your backs at the next election", "I don't care if the referendum wasn't about surrogacy - I say it was, "Why oh why couldn't they have been happy with civil partnership? They've ruined marriage as an institution", "I'm still going to call them child-abusing perverts and you can't stop me."

    Passed two "No" posters still up. Well, half up, it looked like someone was taking them down as they were quite low on the pole but then gave up half way through. Maybe it was The Rapture? And there's me worried about Gay Tornadoes.


  • #175
    Not a NSA agent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    looksee wrote: »
    Ok, I am doing an in-depth survey and making deductions from my observations (of a few roads around where I live). All the yes vote signs have been taken down. There are numerous No votes signs still hanging from lampposts. Does this mean that No-voters have a very short attention span? Does it mean they are hoping to still convince people that 'a child is forever' or whatever the signs say? Are they too dis-spirited to be bothered? Do they know that, unlike political parties, they can't be identified and held responsible for littering (can they?)?

    Short attention span? I doubt it, they wont let it go. Constantly finding something to complain about. A no voter fell down the stairs, they were probably built by a yes voter.


  • #176
    SpaceTime
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    I guess part of the problem with a referendum campaign is that if you poster the place and had volunteers and then your side loses, then the voluntary support probably melts away.

    I really don't see any huge evidence of a very hard fundamentalist no vote here. There's definitely a bit, but I don't think it's most of the no voters that I've encountered anyway. I'd say quite a few people may have been a bit taken aback by the result and also by the emotional outpouring that happened when it was called too.

    It was pretty mind-blowing last week. I don't think I've ever experienced anything quite like the raw emotions that came flowing out of a lot of people when that was won.

    I'd suspect that some of the softer no campaigners are probably seeing a side of Ireland they may not have ever experienced before and perhaps that's why there isn't a huge amount of people going around doing the No side clean up.

    It's also probably quite difficult to get out there and remove posters after you've lost a campaign.

    It's been an interesting few weeks though.

    Effectively you'd the Yes side appealing to people's humanity, talking about the importance of connections, love, family and asking people for their solidarity.

    Meanwhile the No side was basically arguing pure dogma, loosely connected parallel issues and convoluted hypothetical legal scenarios...

    One's actually a hell of a lot more powerful than the other and I just think perhaps there's a little bit of an element of being suddenly caught on the wrong side of the fence for a lot of the softer elements of the no campaign who may have been genuinely fearful about things that were just there to muddy the water and nothing else.

    It's an odd referendum as it was always going to be paradigm shifting and it has been.

    They'd want to get a move on though as if those posters don't come down, councils will begin to issue fines against whatever organisations' names are printed on the end. It happens to election candidates every time...

    Posters must be gone with in 7 days of polling.
    It can turn out very expensive as a local authority could just fine them €150 on the spot per poster.


  • #177
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    silverharp wrote: »
    they are waiting for the Yes side to continue what they were doing during the campaign :pac:
    They're awaiting ascension to poster heaven.


  • #178
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,847 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    One priest seemingly decided to attempt to shame Yes voters during a mass.

    https://twitter.com/LaobhaoiseNihE/status/605726014048731136
    https://twitter.com/LaobhaoiseNihE/status/605727362249031680

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #179
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,190 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    SW wrote: »
    One priest seemingly decided to attempt to shame Yes voters during a mass.

    https://twitter.com/LaobhaoiseNihE/status/605726014048731136
    https://twitter.com/LaobhaoiseNihE/status/605727362249031680

    Yizzers are worse than pagans! :pac:


  • #180
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    SW wrote: »
    One priest seemingly decided to attempt to shame Yes voters during a mass.

    https://twitter.com/LaobhaoiseNihE/status/605726014048731136
    https://twitter.com/LaobhaoiseNihE/status/605727362249031680

    Can't see either, followers only on the account.


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  • #181
    Hoagy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Hoagy


    Brian Shanahan wrote: »
    Can't see either, followers only on the account.

    Here's the story.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/ballina-priest-2139351-Jun2015/


  • #182
    W123-80's
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭W123-80's


    SW wrote: »
    One priest seemingly decided to attempt to shame Yes voters during a mass.

    https://twitter.com/LaobhaoiseNihE/status/605726014048731136
    https://twitter.com/LaobhaoiseNihE/status/605727362249031680

    More power to him.
    Need a few more morons like this to pull these types of stunts..


  • #183
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The real question is why these people were there in the first place, and how many of them will trudge in like sheep next week?

    Scrap the cap!



  • #184
    aunt aggie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭aunt aggie


    Hoagy wrote: »
    Here's the story.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/ballina-priest-2139351-Jun2015/

    Saw this story earlier and it really annoyed me. BUT reading through some of the more recent comments under the story it seems that people who were there don't agree with the Journal's one and only source. Something a bit off about this...


  • #185
    Links234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    Holy ****, do I get to be proud of my country twice in a row? I could get used to this! :D

    http://www.thejournal.ie/trans-rights-ireland-gender-recognition-self-declaration-2141181-Jun2015/


  • #186
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Links234 wrote: »
    Holy ****, do I get to be proud of my country twice in a row? I could get used to this! :D

    http://www.thejournal.ie/trans-rights-ireland-gender-recognition-self-declaration-2141181-Jun2015/

    All this pride is making me feel very discombobulated.


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  • #187
    Links234
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    Seriously not looking forward to what Iona and buddies have to say on the matter though, you know we'll be the next targets for them :o


  • #188
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,213 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Links234 wrote: »
    Seriously not looking forward to what Iona and buddies have to say on the matter though, you know we'll be the next targets for them :o

    I can imagine David Quinn trying to get Paddy Manning into one of Breda O'Brien's dresses because they need a token "As a transgendered person, I oppose this"


  • #189
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,353 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    All this pride is making me feel very discombobulated.
    See?!? They were right!!

    Vote Yes, and our bobbles will be taken away!!

    :mad:


  • #190
    Vivisectus
    Registered Users Posts: 807 ✭✭✭Vivisectus


    Links234 wrote: »
    Seriously not looking forward to what Iona and buddies have to say on the matter though, you know we'll be the next targets for them :o

    If they stay nice and quiet, keep their head down, and agree to be patronized silly while agreeing that they should not be given equal rights Iona loves the transgendered I am sure!


  • #191
    The Black Oil
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    robindch wrote: »
    Oklahoma's lower house passes a bill restricting marriage to religious people. Next up is consideration by the upper house and if passed, and signed into law, presumably atheists, agnostics and other non-traditionals can presumably sod off and get married somewhere else:

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/03/oklahoma-house-passes-bill-restricting-marriage-to-people-of-faith/

    How would that work, exactly? How do you determine someone's religiousity is of sufficient quality to allow them to get married? :confused:

    Republican supporters of the legislation want to remove the state from the marriage process. Rep. Dennis Johnson, a Republican, said: Marriage was not instituted by government. It was instituted by God. There is no reason for Oklahoma or any state to be involved in marriage.

    God speaks through you, then, Dennis...

    I'm not sure if the bill linked to on patheos is the final version as it contains a good bit of strikethrough text. The font wrecks my head.

    Moderator: Television, Psychology and Dublin County North.

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  • #192
    Going Strong
    Registered Users Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Going Strong


    More green ink madness in the letters section of today's Irish examiner.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/yourview/there-is-a-need-for-us-to-protect-gods-law-334504.html


  • #193
    Not a NSA agent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    Going Strong wrote: »
    More green ink madness in the letters section of today's Irish examiner.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/yourview/there-is-a-need-for-us-to-protect-gods-law-334504.html

    Consequences! Consequences everywhere! No idea what they are but they probably exist in some form.


  • #194
    Going Strong
    Registered Users Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Going Strong


    Not a NSA agent wrote: »
    Consequences! Consequences everywhere! No idea what they are but they probably exist in some form.

    Yes indeed. They could happen in ten minutes time, tomorrow, next week, next month, next year or next century but happen they will. Back to the pews lads and lassies and pray extra hard, give the church your hard-earned and stop all this thinking for yourselves nonsense or doom is a-comin' your way.

    I'm terrified now.


  • #195
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Going Strong wrote: »

    I'm terrified now.

    Not sure if you are terrified but you certainly seem obsessed with religion and God. Lighten up man and enjoy your life.


  • #196
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Great, Kilkenny in the news....and not for a good reason...sigh

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/legal-bids-to-challenge-same-sex-marriage-result-due-1.2237552
    Two separate applications for leave to bring petitions challenging the result of the referendum clearing the way for same-sex marriage here will come before the High Court on Friday.
    One challenge has been initiated by Gerry Walshe, an electrician, from Lisdeen Road, Co Clare, while the second is brought by Maurice J Lyons, a gardener, with an address at Callan, Co Kilkenny.

    Little bit of googling brings up this http://www.politicalworld.org/archive/index.php/t-3269.html
    Apparently in defence of marriage and family life, Maurice Lyons from Kilkenny has been imprisoned in Midlands Prison, Portlaoise since 2/07/09. He refused to accept a separation order. Technically he is in contempt of court for not acknowledging a judicial order of separation, granted to his wife and him although he never requested it. As an apparently devout Catholic, Maurice has never desired or agreed to a separation and believes that the State has not made a serious effort to bring about a reconciliation in his family - something that Irish law mandates before a divorce or separation is considered - and so the State is acting illegally, as well as against God's law.

    The National Men's Council of Ireland are pursuing this case on Maurice's behalf.

    Background here (http://www.rate-your-solicitor.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=462) and here (http://rationshed.wordpress.com/2009/07/31/ireland-mr-lyons-was-yesterday-committed-to-life-imprisonment-for-his-unfailing-support-of-his-family-and-his-faith-family-conference-flyer/)

    The National Men's Council seems to be a right-wing Catholic pressure group shamelessly using the aftermath of Maurice's marriage breakup to promote their brand of Catholicism - LINK (http://www.family-men.com/)

    wordpress link is broken, this works though https://rationshed.wordpress.com/2009/07/31/ireland-mr-lyons-was-yesterday-committed-to-life-imprisonment-for-his-unfailing-support-of-his-family-and-his-faith-family-conference-flyer/

    All very odd, Surely if a persons wanted to remain married in the eye's of god then by all means they can think what they want (sure after all its effectively meaningless). But a women has every right in the world to not be married if she doesn't want to be.


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    SpaceTime
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    Worrying to be honest that these groups think they've a right to overturn a democratic referendum with a substantial majority and a high turnout based purely on dogma.

    If it were overturned the likely result would be a rerun and probably an even higher majority in favour anyway.

    I find the notion that the courts are involved in this at all is a bit weird and sort of quite repugnant to the idea that we have a democracy at all in some ways.

    The referendum was incredibly balanced in terms of media coverage rules etc etc what more do they want?

    It highlights how dangerous it is mixing religion and constitutional law though in any way. I mean one of the arguments being put forward there as a reason for blocking this is effectively saying that Ireland is a theocracy!

    If it were to be accepted as a valid point, we might as well jack in all pretence that we were either a republic or a democracy as it would be basically admitting that power came from a religious source not the people.


  • #198
    Cabaal
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    SpaceTime wrote: »
    The referendum was incredibly balanced in terms of media coverage rules etc etc what more do they want?

    I would have thought the answer to that is simple.
    They want marriage to be between a male and female, they want them to have kids, raise them as Catholics and go to mass every week.

    Basically, they want Ireland 1950's style. Anything else and they won't accept it.


  • #199
    SpaceTime
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    Cabaal wrote: »
    I would have thought the answer to that is simple.
    They want marriage to be between a male and female, they want them to have kids, raise them as Catholics and go to mass every week.

    Basically, they want Ireland 1950's style. Anything else and they won't accept it.

    Short of investing in R&D for a time machine or moving to some theocratic backwater, that's not going to happen.


  • #200
    PopePalpatine
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    SpaceTime wrote: »
    Short of investing in R&D for a time machine or moving to some theocratic backwater, that's not going to happen.

    Or building a theocratic backwater of their own.


  • #201
    Cabaal
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    SpaceTime wrote: »
    Short of investing in R&D for a time machine or moving to some theocratic backwater, that's not going to happen.

    True,
    But they are like a dieing animal, trashing like crazy right now. They are at their most dangerous so they will fight tooth and nail against any change.

    Remember this whole experience most be scaring the ****e out of the ultra religious, they went from 90% compliance (mass attendance) to 30% in the space of 30-40 years.

    Along with that, people have stopped listening to them and they are no longer trusted because of the rape and selling of children the organisation allowed.

    Yet of course they will still claim they have the moral highground,
    :rolleyes:


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