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muscleshirt wrote: »how did the match between the youths and schools go
schools won both games but the youths were missing a few players due to injury while the schools were much closer to full strength.
the results of these games dont really matter as they are only build up to the interpros
they will cut the youths squad again this week with 4-5 losing out as the squad is being cut to 25 or 26(idiotic decision as it means the coaches cant have a match between players in the squad in a training session as there isnt 30 players to do a full on match in training etc and 3-4 players prob will be called up to squad for various reasons between now and the first interpo in 5-6 weeks time)0 -
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ormond lad wrote: »Leinster schools beat the youths 34-250
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munster A schools played the munster youths today in midelton ,youths had it all to do apparently ,a try or two in it0
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Looks like its gonna be an inresting interpro series:)0
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Looks like its gonna be an interesting inter pro series:)0
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Seen this on leinsterrugby just now. starting these games very early considering these are effectively trials for youths interpros that are over a year away. Munsters trial games wont be held till jan at the earliest in comparison
Shane Horgan Cup Kicks Off this Monday, Sept 12th...
7 September 2011, 4:44 pm
By Editor
Midlands face the North Midlands to kick off the Shane Horgan Cup this Monday 12th September in Tullamore RFC (KO: 7.30pm)...
The Shane Horgan Cup is an Under 16 Inter-Region Youth Tournament.
Midlands:
15 Ronan Wallace Mullingar
14 Daire Conway Mullingar
13 Conor O’Brien Mullingar
12 Adam Mangan Tullamore
11 Evan Meleady Mullingar
10 Bill McNamara Mullingar
9 Matthew Coade Mullingar
1 Aidan Leahy Mullingar
2 Joseph Bennett Longford
3 Keelan Feery Tullamore
4 Thomas Maguire Longford
5 Conor Glennon Mullingar
6 Conor Martin Tullamore
7 Alex Gilmor Mullingar
8 Tiernan Mealiffe Tullamore
Substitutes:
16 Edward Nally Mullingar
17 Ryan Daly Tullamore
18 Jerome Scully Tullamore
19 James Lalor Tullamore
20 Jack McNamara Tullamore
North Midlands:
Eoin Keenan Portaoise
James Brennan Portarlington
Adam Coyle Naas
Will Pratt Nth Kildare
Alex Whittle Portarlington
Austin Dunne Nth Kildare
Dean Curtain Nth Kildare
Mikey Russell Naas
Andy Kelly Naas
Paul Mescal Nth Kildare
Ross Beacom Clondalkin
Thomas Ashe Naas
Kevin McGloughlin Naas
James O'Loughlin Cill Dara
Jack Hanrahan Naas
Joshua Dunne Clondalkin
Catahal Fennessy Athy
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ormond lad wrote: »Munster Youths would be much stronger, the youths have played the main schools interpro team a couple of times this summer as prep for the interpros and they drew once and the schools narrowly won the other game. The youths play the u18 schools again friday week0
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muscleshirt wrote: »heard the munsterA schools team beat the munster youths easily in a warm up game this evening,is this worrying
In many of the games theyve played against each other over the summer they were evenly matched.
The real tests start now with the interpro games. The Munster Youths have done well in recent years but the schools have been poor, hopefully the schools(and youth) can get more players into the irish set up as looking at the previous few years were probably 4th in producing players for the Irish youths, schools u18 teams0 -
ormond lad wrote: »no its not worrying, why should it be?
In many of the games theyve played against each other over the summer they were evenly matched.
The real tests start now with the interpro games. The Munster Youths have done well in recent years but the schools have been poor, hopefully the schools(and youth) can get more players into the irish set up as looking at the previous few years were probably 4th in producing players for the Irish youths, schools u18 teams0 -
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ormond lad wrote: »no its not worrying, why should it be?
In many of the games theyve played against each other over the summer they were evenly matched.
The real tests start now with the interpro games. The Munster Youths have done well in recent years but the schools have been poor, hopefully the schools(and youth) can get more players into the irish set up as looking at the previous few years were probably 4th in producing players for the Irish youths, schools u18 teamsmuscleshirt wrote: »it should be,because the youths are training together 3 days a week since june diets,weights branch coaches,etc ,this second string schools side have beem together only on a few times yet competely outplayed them0 -
ormond lad wrote: »Why was it a 2nd string schools team? they played full strength schools team several times earlier in the summer and they didnt do to bad. if it was the same u18 schools team they played earlier in the summer, they have been training and playing as much as the youths have0
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muscleshirt wrote: »this is the team made up from the b/c schools,it was the regular schools they played earlier
The 2 munster 19s squads for this weekends games v connacht and the exiles are up on http://www.munsterrugby.ie/domestic/news/9371.php
Both squads nearly half and half schools and youths players0 -
Anyone at the u18 schools Leinster v Munster Match last wed!?..any thoughts!?0
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Anyone at the u18 schools Leinster v Munster Match last wed!?..any thoughts!?
Very poor munster side and wouldnt be surprised if they dont win a game0 -
ormond lad wrote: »father was at it for a short while. Munster were s***e, serious problems in munster development system. Some players on munster side are nowhere near provincial standard and only there because of a coach/who they no.
Very poor munster side and wouldnt be surprised if they dont win a game
There's serious disillusionment with how those squads are being picked. Basically the Limerick players don't think they are being picked even slightly on merit. If this is repeated elsewhere in the province Munster are in real trouble.
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Amazotheamazing wrote: »There's serious disillusionment with how those squads are being picked. Basically the Limerick players don't think they are being picked even slightly on merit. If this is repeated elsewhere in the province Munster are in real trouble.
Anyone know how the u19's went yesterday? Think you were keeping an eye out for that Gleeson lad?
The disillusionment with how the squads have been picked has increased tenfold, IMO, since the branch development officers took over the coaching side of the regional teams that play to decide the make up of the youths squad. Before them the coaches were local club coaches and they did very well but it was decided the branch needed a tighter control over these teams and the likes of noel o meara, john o neill(both development officers with the branch) became head coach of a region and the previous coaches like pat fitzpatrick of nenagh and sean devaney who had done extremaly well over the previous few years were told they were beng replaced.
The biggest problems is coaches from cork and the south munster section who are picking lads from their clubs etc. It always happens everywhere at u/age level but there is some from cork city who are involved at the moment at interpro level messing the system with their political picks. I could name names but i dont think its worth the hassle
I was at the 19s yesterday. only saw the 2nd half as got kick off time mixed up. it finished a draw, 13 apiece.
very poor game, wasnt pretty and certainly not a game you would like to see again
Munster pack were alright. Backs were terrible, tom kiersey(outhalf for waterparks 19s last season) at 10 was the only munster back with any imagination
Didnt see much of cronan as he went off as he got a knock and they didnt want to aggravate it.
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It seems that Leinster are so much ahead of Munster with regards to there representative teams..and indeed academy structures..
Seems like the u19 match wasnt great at all...I have heard that Leinster are meant to have a fairly useful u19 team so will be a tough fixture fr munster0 -
I see where leinster u19s had a good victory this weekend beating ulster 36-90
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ormond lad wrote: »Ive been to most interpros at youths level over the last 5 years, Munster in general hasnt had many players in any year at irish level in that time and thats mainly because of the system in which players are developed.
The disillusionment with how the squads have been picked has increased tenfold, IMO, since the branch development officers took over the coaching side of the regional teams that play to decide the make up of the youths squad. Before them the coaches were local club coaches and they did very well but it was decided the branch needed a tighter control over these teams and the likes of noel o meara, john o neill(both development officers with the branch) became head coach of a region and the previous coaches like pat fitzpatrick of nenagh and sean devaney who had done extremaly well over the previous few years were told they were beng replaced.
The biggest problems is coaches from cork and the south munster section who are picking lads from their clubs etc. It always happens everywhere at u/age level but there is some from cork city who are involved at the moment at interpro level messing the system with their political picks. I could name names but i dont think its worth the hassle
I was at the 19s yesterday. only saw the 2nd half as got kick off time mixed up. it finished a draw, 13 apiece.
very poor game, wasnt pretty and certainly not a game you would like to see again
Munster pack were alright. Backs were terrible, tom kiersey(outhalf for waterparks 19s last season) at 10 was the only munster back with any imagination
Didnt see much of cronan as he went off as he got a knock and they didnt want to aggravate it.
If we play like we did yesterday against leinster we will be well beaten
and look what we are getting,it's fact a lot of limerick club players not getting a look in,are we going to do the same next year with the youths
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muscleshirt wrote: »the whole set up is a shambles,since the development officers got involved things have got worse,the system of bringing players automatic from the u18 youths into the u19 the following season without holding trials etc is crazy,this is what happened this year
and look what we are getting,it's fact a lot of limerick club players not getting a look in,are we going to do the same next year with the youths
after they were beaten easily enough by the munster b/c schools recently
Not every youths player involved in the 19s was in the youths squad last year,
there was not any open sessions at the end of last season for players to be looked at but the coaches of the 19s must have been looking at games/ hearing reports from coaches etc as 2 nenagh players were called by ray egan sometime in may and one of them had barely played for nenagh during last season
Limerick players are getting a look in, not to the extent that some of those clubs expect but they are getting looked at.
The youths did lose to the b/c schools but were missing several players for that game and considerng they have done well against the main schools team, they will do fine in the interpros.
I saw the youths play the connacht youths in st senans a few weeks back and the youths did alright against them in the poor conditions and lost with a weakened team due to the dominance of the huge connacht pack.0 -
ormond lad wrote: »There is problems with the system and some(certainly not all) are being caused through the development officers involvement
Not every youths player involved in the 19s was in the youths squad last year,
there was not any open sessions at the end of last season for players to be looked at but the coaches of the 19s must have been looking at games/ hearing reports from coaches etc as 2 nenagh players were called by ray egan sometime in may and one of them had barely played for nenagh during last season
Limerick players are getting a look in, not to the extent that some of those clubs expect but they are getting looked at.
The youths did lose to the b/c schools but were missing several players for that game and considerng they have done well against the main schools team, they will do fine in the interpros.
I saw the youths play the connacht youths in st senans a few weeks back and the youths did alright against them in the poor conditions and lost with a weakened team due to the dominance of the huge connacht pack.
was a youth last year, i know of no other,missing players is an old excuse,poor conditions is even worse, that said i hope they do well this year0 -
muscleshirt wrote: »all players came from last years youths,gleeson from neanagh
was a youth last year, i know of no other,missing players is an old excuse,poor conditions is even worse, that said i hope they do well this year
If you had been at the game and seen the size of the connacht pack, you would know that it was a major factor, they were huge and they ground out a victory over smaller players on a crappy pitch, who defended like demons but eventually were just overrun, on a crappy day.
Munster will play connacht in the sportsground and unless it is a horrible day munster will win as their backline is far superior0 -
http://www.munsterrugby.ie/domestic/news/9432.php
Munster U18 Club Rep Side Well Prepared
21 September 2011, 1:26 pm
By The Editor
The Munster U18 Club representative side will begin their interprovincial campaign on Saturday, 24th September, taking on Ulster in Thomond Park, ko 1pm.
The Munster squad will come into the series well prepared after completing a very busy summer training programme. Following rigorous fitness screenings in early July, training has included weekly strength and conditioning work as well as twice weekly on-pitch sessions.
The squad focused on player bonding last week-end starting at Tralee RFC where they watched Ireland's win over Australia and then met with the Club mini rugby players. The Munster players handed out promotional materials such as Munster posters and pens and spoke to the young players on the benefits of taking up sport from an early age.
A pre interpro training game followed on the club grounds at Ballyard where the Munster U18 Clubs took on the Tralee U19 side.
Following a presentation to both squads by Physiotherapist Collette Garvey on injury prevention and recovery, the Munster U18 Club squad travelled to Ballheigue, Co. Kerry, for their pool recovery session and an overnight stay.
On Sunday morning as part of a team building exercise the squad were divided into teams and set a task to sculpture cartoon characters on the beach.
Munster Rugby would like to thank Ed Barns for all his assistance with coordinating the week-end and Tralee RFC for the use of their facilities.
Munster U18 Clubs Upcoming Fixtures:
Sat. 1st Oct, Leinster U18 Clubs v Munster U18 Clubs, Donnybrook, ko 1pm
Sat. 8th Oct, Connacht U18 Clubs v Munster U18 Clubs, Sportsground, ko 1pm0 -
Limerick should have plenty players on Munster teams One o the few counties you see lads with rugby ball nearby n they usually head to UL What would people think of weaker counties being allowed put a representative side in schools comp Think it could highlight few new props and locks and scrumhalf outhalf talent Its a useful introduction before lads leave for university0
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davegrohl48 wrote: »Limerick should have plenty players on Munster teams One o the few counties you see lads with rugby ball nearby n they usually head to UL What would people think of weaker counties being allowed put a representative side in schools comp Think it could highlight few new props and locks and scrumhalf outhalf talent Its a useful introduction before lads leave for university
At youths interpro level in recent years most players seem to be from the east(tipp and waterford) and south(cork)
Cork needs another top schools team as for a city of its size having just 2 A standard schools is terrible especially when limerick, including glenstal, has 5 and limerick has a much stronger clubs system.
The youths u17 and 19 pan munster league is grand at highlighting potential players.(could do with some more publicity and more clubs to play especially at 19s level)
Teams play in qualifying groups in their area then the top 4 in each area qualify for a pan munster last 16 where they get 3 games against the best club teams in the province-maybe in the future this stage of the competition could be expanded0 -
ormond lad wrote: »http://www.munsterrugby.ie/domestic/news/9432.php
Munster U18 Club Rep Side Well Prepared
21 September 2011, 1:26 pm
By The Editor
The Munster U18 Club representative side will begin their interprovincial campaign on Saturday, 24th September, taking on Ulster in Thomond Park, ko 1pm.
The Munstersquad will come into the series well prepared after completing a very busy summer training programme. Following rigorous fitness screenings in early July, training has included weekly strength and conditioning work as well as twice weekly on-pitch sessions.
The squad focused on player bonding last week-end starting at Tralee RFC where they watched Ireland's win over Australia and then met with the Club mini rugby players. The Munster players handed out promotional materials such as Munster posters and pens and spoke to the young players on the benefits of taking up sport from an early age.
A pre interpro training game followed on the club grounds at Ballyard where the Munster U18 Clubs took on the Tralee U19 side.
Following a presentation to both squads byPhysiotherapist Collette Garveyon injury prevention and recovery, the Munster U18 Club squad travelled to Ballheigue, Co. Kerry, for their pool recovery session and an overnight stay.
On Sunday morning as part of a team building exercise the squad were divided into teams and set a task to sculpture cartoon characters on the beach.
Munster Rugby would like to thank Ed Barnes for all his assistance with coordinating the week-end and Tralee RFC for the use of their facilities.
Munster U18 Clubs Upcoming Fixtures:
Sat. 1st Oct, Leinster U18 Clubs v MunsterU18 Clubs, Donnybrook, ko 1pm
Sat. 8th Oct, Connacht U18 Clubs v MunsterU18 Clubs, Sportsground, ko 1pm
Munster U18 Clubs
Tom O’Hare (Waterpark), Adrian Enright (Abbeyfeale), Mark Healy (Kanturk), Seamus Keating (Dungarvan), Cillian Ansboro (Youghal), Dylan Horgan (Highfield), Killian O’Keeffe (Crosshaven), Adam Walsh (Waterpark), Darren Coady (Waterpark), Jonathan Hayes (Nenagh Ormond), Laurence Houlihan (Dungarvan), John Madigan (Charleville), Kalani Moore (Waterpark), Oisin O’Meara (Kilfeacle and District), Jack O’Donoghue (Capt.)(Waterpark)
Replacements: Padraig Keating (Clonmel), Eoghan Greene (Sunday’s Well), Niall O’Neill (Waterpark), Martin Mullane (Newcastlewest), Aaron Aitkinson (Ballina-Killaloe), Rory Parata (Sunday’s Well), Eamonn Chesser (Garryowen)
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The Leinster Under-18 Youths team to play Connacht at the Sportsgrounds, Galway on Sunday.
15: Adam Byrne (Naas)
14: Eoghan Feane (Portlaoise)
13: Fergal Cleary (Navan)
12: James Doyle (Greystones)
11: James White (Enniscorthy)
10: Stephen Duke (Gorey)
9: Eoghan Carron (Skerries)
1: Peter Dooley (Birr)Captain
2: Cian Byrne (Tullamore)
3: Brian Cunningham (Navan)
4: Josh O'Rourke (DLSP)
5: Diarmaid Hickey (Kilkenny)
6: Eddie Earle (Gorey)
7: Stephen Keelan (Navan)
8: Killian Sweeney (Malahide)
REPLACEMENTS:
16: Shane Mulvany (Greystones)
17: Shane Byrne (Wicklow)
18: Stephen Gardiner (Gorey)
19: Leon Martin (Tullamore) / Eoin O'Sullivan (Wicklow)
20: Peter Connolly (Edenderry)
21: Sean Moran (Kilkenny)
22: Niall Campbell (DLSP)
surprised to only see 3 gorey players in squad, they had a very good team last season u17 and were unlucky to lose to a very good galwegians side in the all ireland final0 -
ormond lad wrote: »Munster U18 Clubs
Tom O’Hare (Waterpark), Adrian Enright (Abbeyfeale), Mark Healy (Kanturk), Seamus Keating (Dungarvan), Cillian Ansboro (Youghal), Dylan Horgan (Highfield), Killian O’Keeffe (Crosshaven), Adam Walsh (Waterpark), Darren Coady (Waterpark), Jonathan Hayes (Nenagh Ormond), Laurence Houlihan (Dungarvan), John Madigan (Charleville), Kalani Moore (Waterpark), Oisin O’Meara (Kilfeacle and District), Jack O’Donoghue (Capt.)(Waterpark)
Replacements: Padraig Keating (Clonmel), Eoghan Greene (Sunday’s Well), Niall O’Neill (Waterpark), Martin Mullane (Newcastlewest), Aaron Aitkinson (Ballina-Killaloe), Rory Parata (Sunday’s Well), Eamonn Chesser (Garryowen)
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muscleshirt wrote: »no one on the squad from shannon,beaten in the final of the pan/munster u17 strange0
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Munster Youths beat Ulster 13-0. Trys for no. 8 jack o donoghue and prop jonny hayes, penalty by adrian enright
The backrow of Oisin O Meara, Kalani Moore and Jack O Donoghue won the game for Munster, they were everywhere, Jack O Donoghue is a very very good player
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ormond lad wrote: »Munster Youths beat Ulster 13-0. Trys for no. 8 jack o donoghue and prop jonny hayes, penalty by adrian enright
The backrow of Oisin O Meara, Kalani Moore and Jack O Donoghue won the game for Munster, they were everywhere, Jack O Donoghue is a very very good player
Backs were poor and unimaginative until subs Aaron Atkinson and Rory Parata came on. Both should start the next day
Munster began their Under 18 Club Inter Provincial campaign with a thirteen point victory over Ulster at Thomond Park.
Munster dominated the opening half and were thirteen up at the break with tries from Jonathan Hayes and Jack O’Donoghue and Adrian Enright kicked a penalty.
Next up for Munster is a trip to Donnybrook next Saturday to face Leinster.
Munster: Tom O’Hare (Waterpark); Adrian Enright (Abbeyfeale), Mark Healy (Kanturk), Seamus Keating (Dungarvan), Cillian Ansboro (Youghal); Dylan Horgan (Highfield), Killian O’Keeffe (Crosshaven); Adam Walsh (Waterpark), Darren Coady (Waterpark), Jonathan Hayes (Nenagh Ormond); Laurence Houlihan (Dungarvan), John Madigan (Charleville); Kalani Moore (Waterpark), Oisin O’Meara (Kilfeacle and District), Jack O’Donoghue Capt. (Waterpark).
Replacements: Padraig Keating (Clonmel), Eoghan Greene (Sunday’s Well), Niall O’Neill (Waterpark), Martin Mullane (Newcastle West), Aaron Atkinson (Ballina-Killaloe), Rory Parata (Sunday’s Well), Eamonn Chesser (Garryowen)
Ulster: Ryan Cobb (Dromore); Jonny Orr (Malone), Mathew McDonald (Banbridge), Graeme Currie (Portadown), Jonny Hillier (Malone); Adam Doherty (C)(Banbridge), Connor Henry (Malone); Mathew Davison (Portadown), Peter Cromie (Banbridge), Jonny McCreery (Banbridge); Iain McMenamin (Carrick), Russell Blair (Ballymoney); Mark Ferris (Carrick), Jordan Munnis (Ballymoney), Shane McBurney (Randalstown).
Replacements: Daniel Maxwell (Dungannon), Luke Curlett (Dromore), Sean O’Hagan (Dungannon), Kacpar Kruzycki (Banbridge), Liam Gordon (Virginia), Ross Johnston (Ballynahinch), Don Mullan (Virginia).
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ormond lad wrote: »Munster Youths beat Ulster 13-0. Trys for no. 8 jack o donoghue and prop jonny hayes, penalty by adrian enright
The backrow of Oisin O Meara, Kalani Moore and Jack O Donoghue won the game for Munster, they were everywhere, Jack O Donoghue is a very very good player
Backs were poor and unimaginative until subs Aaron Atkinson and Rory Parata came on. Both should start the next day
Hi Ormond Lad, Follow your posts, and find the majority of them good and you are very informative. I attended this U18 game and for me 5 and 7 for the munster lads were excellent. I honestly do not think there would be a side out there with a better second row, these two boys, Madigan and Houlihan (has a brother equally as good) are impressive. I don't want to 'down' lads, but I did think also the subs you named took their chances right enough. Thought the two centres were in general quite good. Kalaini Moore definitely came into it in a big way when 7 & 8 went off, which impressed me, finished very well. Jack O' Donoghue I have seen a good few times, seem to think he is developing a reputation that people are buying (maybe unfair of me) I agree a good player, expected more from him, for me he could work harder, isn't very hungry for a 'dirty' ball, whereas that Oisin O' Meara seems to thrieve on it, amazing work rate, seen him a few times too, light but seems to have serious hunger for it. Hope this team does well in their other two games, not a very big sized team, Ulster had a few big boys, but tried hard and will hopefully improve. Believe it is fantastic for these kids to play in Thomand, and a beautiful day for it, which probably contributed to so many of them suffering from cramp (along with their effort), well done to them .0 -
Hi Ormond Lad, Follow your posts, and find the majority of them good and you are very informative. I attended this U18 game and for me 5 and 7 for the munster lads were excellent. I honestly do not think there would be a side out there with a better second row, these two boys, Madigan and Houlihan (has a brother equally as good) are impressive. I don't want to 'down' lads, but I did think also the subs you named took their chances right enough. Thought the two centres were in general quite good. Kalaini Moore definitely came into it in a big way when 7 & 8 went off, which impressed me, finished very well. Jack O' Donoghue I have seen a good few times, seem to think he is developing a reputation that people are buying (maybe unfair of me) I agree a good player, expected more from him, for me he could work harder, isn't very hungry for a 'dirty' ball, whereas that Oisin O' Meara seems to thrieve on it, amazing work rate, seen him a few times too, light but seems to have serious hunger for it. Hope this team does well in their other two games, not a very big sized team, Ulster had a few big boys, but tried hard and will hopefully improve. Believe it is fantastic for these kids to play in Thomand, and a beautiful day for it, which probably contributed to so many of them suffering from cramp (along with their effort), well done to them .
Oisin O Meara is super, ive seen him play games at club level where he has made 30+ tackles and completely stop the opposition get any momentum at all, people keep saying he is too light but if he keeps playing like he does it wont matter. He probably could do with putting on a bit of weight to do well at a higher level but the way he plays with his tackling and in and around the breakdown he will survive and stand out at Irish youths level. Jack O Donoghue wasnt as good as previous games ive seen him play but kalani, Oisin and Jack won the game for munster, they didnt let the bigger Ulster team get any momentum at all.
The backs were not great, they havent been great in any of the games I saw the youths play throughout the summer. They are too pedictable and the 2 subs that came on are a bit more unpredictable and IMO that is why they are not starting- they are much more willing to try things off the cuff and not stick to the gameplan
They are not the biggest but when they play connacht up in galwey in 2 weeks as long as there is not a storm during on during the game, munster will win. I saw munster play connacht a few weeks ago in St Senans and the combination of a bad pitch with bad weather suited connacht perfectly, a dryer day on a better pitch will suit munster much more and they should win0 -
Excellent analysis of the game from Thomond Park on Saturday. also good to see the Schools win over Ulster. good to end on a winning note.
Clubs game was good...a little nervous for some first caps in the opening 15min. 11,14,15.. Did well needed to see more ball spread wide…14 was excellent… could see his experience as it’s his second year with the Youths…. that 11 could do damage if fed the right ball.. 12 & 13 played well…12 had good hands kicked & rucked well. 10…a little naïve at times kicking inside the 22 in the opening 15min… maybe should have fed more out the line. Killian at 9 did well.. not afraid to call the shots…but right on Aaron when he came on. 6,7,8 were excellent with typical Waterpark attitude at 6 & 8. Spot on with Oisin at 7!!!. 4 & 5 were super in the line, excellent hands all through the game. Front row contested very well… and this showed at the scrum. Subs used well and did what was expected… Pity we did not see some scores in the second half… Good overall performance for guys getting 1st cap for Munster. Thomond Park looked super and the weather was excellent. We must recognise also that it was free entry with full program for School & Clubs. Good to see players being recognised across the province.
The word on 8 is that he was out of action for some weeks on a bout of sickness. Good to see him back… also on his second year with the youths…0 -
Excellent analysis of the game from Thomond Park on Saturday. also good to see the Schools win over Ulster. good to end on a winning note.
Clubs game was good...a little nervous for some first caps in the opening 15min. 11,14,15.. Did well needed to see more ball spread wide…14 was excellent… could see his experience as it’s his second year with the Youths…. that 11 could do damage if fed the right ball.. 12 & 13 played well…12 had good hands kicked & rucked well. 10…a little naïve at times kicking inside the 22 in the opening 15min… maybe should have fed more out the line. Killian at 9 did well.. not afraid to call the shots…but right on Aaron when he came on. 6,7,8 were excellent with typical Waterpark attitude at 6 & 8. Spot on with Oisin at 7!!!. 4 & 5 were super in the line, excellent hands all through the game. Front row contested very well… and this showed at the scrum. Subs used well and did what was expected… Pity we did not see some scores in the second half… Good overall performance for guys getting 1st cap for Munster. Thomond Park looked super and the weather was excellent. We must recognise also that it was free entry with full program for School & Clubs. Good to see players being recognised across the province.
The word on 8 is that he was out of action for some weeks on a bout of sickness. Good to see him back… also on his second year with the youths…
Jack subbed most of the interpros last year and Martin Mullane who was on the bench on saturday started ahead of him in the back row on last years youths team
adrian enright the winger was also on last years youths
Aaron Atkinson is only back from a serious injury a few weeks, should start next week at 9. offers a slight bit more
Great to see interpros back in thomond there was a few years of them being played in dooradoyle but thomond is the place for them0 -
Fair enough, I felt that Ulster looked vulnerable when the backs went at them, a few handling errors and space issues, kicking from hand far too much, quality of these generally poor, could understand kicking a bit when they had the breeze (was deceptive) but poor in that regard. Nerves come into it too and I would like to think the backs would improve, sub scrumhalf felt offered much more also, but again, would not like to knock any of them, they tried their best. Ulster left about 9 points behind them which if they chose to take them could of changed the complexion.
That Oisin lad reminds me of a jack russell who thinks he is a rottweiler, tough nut, gives his all and more, must be a very sore boy after games, he bounched of a couple of boys and came back to bite them, but like them all obviously loves the game, which in essence is great, if these boys enjoy and work together, hopefully they can do well.
People are down on munster underage at the moment, they have harder games on the way no doubt, would be good if they do well, nerves and being able to handle pressure big part of it too, but the ulster game should bring them on. Would think once they get to grips with more physical, bigger teams after the initial stages or so, like they did the last day they will do okay and also not show them any respect. So far there does not seem to be too much between teams in the youths, schools series so far.0 -
Fair enough, I felt that Ulster looked vulnerable when the backs went at them, a few handling errors and space issues, kicking from hand far too much, quality of these generally poor, could understand kicking a bit when they had the breeze (was deceptive) but poor in that regard. Nerves come into it too and I would like to think the backs would improve, sub scrumhalf felt offered much more also, but again, would not like to knock any of them, they tried their best. Ulster left about 9 points behind them which if they chose to take them could of changed the complexion.
That Oisin lad reminds me of a jack russell who thinks he is a rottweiler, tough nut, gives his all and more, must be a very sore boy after games, he bounched of a couple of boys and came back to bite them, but like them all obviously loves the game, which in essence is great, if these boys enjoy and work together, hopefully they can do well.
People are down on munster underage at the moment, they have harder games on the way no doubt, would be good if they do well, nerves and being able to handle pressure big part of it too, but the ulster game should bring them on. Would think once they get to grips with more physical, bigger teams after the initial stages or so, like they did the last day they will do okay and also not show them any respect. So far there does not seem to be too much between teams in the youths, schools series so far.
He started at 10 for east in the regional trial games last season and looked very good because the east pack was so dominant over the opposition and he never had any opposition putting him under any pressure
munster underage teams havent done very well in recent years except the youths team.at 19s and 20s we have been very poor the last few years.
The youths and schools are almost level in munster and the youths are nearly beating the schools every 2nd game or so at interpro level, and in a few years the youths could have more players in the 19s squads than the schools0 -
ormond lad wrote: »Jack O D had glandular fever and is only back training a week or 2, super performance on the back of that
Jack subbed most of the interpros last year and Martin Mullane who was on the bench on saturday started ahead of him in the back row on last years youths team
adrian enright the winger was also on last years youths
Aaron Atkinson is only back from a serious injury a few weeks, should start next week at 9. offers a slight bit more
Great to see interpros back in thomond there was a few years of them being played in dooradoyle but thomond is the place for them
I just don't believe his diagnosis was correct, if you know anyone who has had glandular fever, there is absolutely no way a kid could be back playing like he did after being diagnosed was it about two and a half months ago or there abouts, would take some near enough to twelve months to recover. Whatever he had or did not, he did do well and is a fine player. Important to have a bench, and replacements were good, which obviously makes it a competitive and hungry squad, Thomand great for them, they and their coaches and staff have worked hard, memorable for the kids,best of luck to them0 -
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I just don't believe his diagnosis was correct, if you know anyone who has had glandular fever, there is absolutely no way a kid could be back playing like he did after being diagnosed was it about two and a half months ago or there abouts, would take some near enough to twelve months to recover. Whatever he had or did not, he did do well and is a fine player. Important to have a bench, and replacements were good, which obviously makes it a competitive and hungry squad, Thomand great for them, they and their coaches and staff have worked hard, memorable for the kids,best of luck to them
Great to see all the interpros in grounds like the sportsground and donnybrook0 -
Correct on Jack...did not want to mention that sickness he had... took a lot out of him… but great potential. Aaron also back from injury.. probably correct with 12...he did play 10 all year...but thought he coped well Saturday....Coaches must see something in him. thought 10 was nervous… Let’s hope 15 will be OK.. took a bad knock some weeks ago in Midleton.. is a fine player. Note - Waterpark x 6 players, Dungarvan x 2 .. so 8 reps from Waterford???. Dungarvan/Waterpark had good games this year in the East clubs…stood out in the past 2 years.0
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Correct on Jack...did not want to mention that sickness he had... took a lot out of him… but great potential. Aaron also back from injury.. probably correct with 12...he did play 10 all year...but thought he coped well Saturday....Coaches must see something in him. thought 10 was nervous… Let’s hope 15 will be OK.. took a bad knock some weeks ago in Midleton.. is a fine player. Note - Waterpark x 6 players, Dungarvan x 2 .. so 8 reps from Waterford???. Dungarvan/Waterpark had good games this year in the East clubs…stood out in the past 2 years.
12 can kick the ball a mile that is the main reason he is in the team, isnt the best if you want to play an expansive game
All those waterpark players who are in the squad are dual munster champs and are all ireland champs from the previous season. dungarvan had a lot of players in east squad last season with the help of some political decisions by some of the management team, they have some good players but will struggle at 19s level this year
over half the squad is from east munster, hopefully clubs in the east can do as well as waterpark in the pan munster this season.
Hopefully the north and south can arrange their leagues soon at 17s/19s level, have heard stories of some clubs struggling to field0 -
I just don't believe his diagnosis was correct, if you know anyone who has had glandular fever, there is absolutely no way a kid could be back playing like he did after being diagnosed was it about two and a half months ago or there abouts, would take some near enough to twelve months to recover. Whatever he had or did not, he did do well and is a fine player. Important to have a bench, and replacements were good, which obviously makes it a competitive and hungry squad, Thomand great for them, they and their coaches and staff have worked hard, memorable for the kids,best of luck to them
Glandular fever hits different people in different ways, some people get a short sharp dose that hits them really hard, but they recover quicker, while others don't get it so bad but take a lot longer to recover. I know people who suffered for the guts of a year, no energy, tiredness and feeling weak. On the other hand, I got it (long time ago now!) and spent a week in hospital on a drip, lost 2 stone in a week, but was back playing 2 months later.0 -
How likely are any of these lads to make it to Academy level or thereabouts?0
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Amazotheamazing wrote: »How likely are any of these lads to make it to Academy level or thereabouts?0
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The East packed some big punches this year against the North & South especially. Not taking anything away from the west. Waterpark is the only big club in Waterford city. Look at the amount of clubs Cork & Limerick city are dealing with. Not sure if the East Development guys would like the phrase “political decisions by some of the management team”.
East pack some fine clubs…Thurles/Cashel/Carrick/Waterpark/Kilfeackle/Dungarvan/Nenagh/Clonmel/Clanwilliam/Galbally/Fethard/Waterford City…am I missing anyone?. hard work done by committed people.0 -
ormond lad wrote: »Hopefully the north and south can arrange their leagues soon at 17s/19s level, have heard stories of some clubs struggling to field
What do you expect after how the Shannon/St. Mary's team was treated last year? There's definitely a perception that North Munster clubs and players aren't as "valued" as those from elsewhere.0 -
OK..point taken my friend. dont know the full story so wont comment. for the youngster sake i hope its a numbers game and not adults dictating proceedings. thank you for the conversation today... best wished to the guys for the next 2 games. at the end of the day... these young men are enjoying the opportunity... and it seem we enjoy watching it :-)0
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Amazotheamazing wrote: »What do you expect after how the Shannon/St. Mary's team was treated last year? There's definitely a perception that North Munster clubs and players aren't as "valued" as those from elsewhere.
its not true at all saying that north players not being as valued as players from the other regions.
The north have won the inter regional tournament twice in the last 5 years and had good enough numbers at munster level- not as much as in the past but areas like kerry, south tipp, waterford have had a few more in recent years than they did in the past due to lots of hard work by coaches in those areas as those areas have worked hard to catch up to clubs in the north0
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