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The glorious 12th

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  • #1302
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,323 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Who is saying one nation is 'better' than the other?

    It is the underlying theme to so much of this and other threads. Sometimes it rises to the surface, but most of the time it is lying underneath and surfaces in sneering comments.

    Some examples:
    Perhaps they were afraid of the worldwide tourists overloading on 'de culture'?
    where the formerly supreme Loyalist are not trying to create an annual hate fest by harking back to their former glory days of repressing the natives
    Yous have enough challenges of you own
    It's a real classless culture
    To explain to you how archaic and unacceptable the ideology you are defending by saying it is 'a family day out', here is what was once an acceptable day out too...families gathering for a KKK 'day out'.
    Ffs the holylands on st paddy’s day is like a scene from day of the dead only on buckfast. Loads of Tyrone culchie students singing songs about the ra. Taking after their County players obviously.
    I haven't strayed off anywhere, I was trying to find a biological reason as to why a community of people could behave in such a backward way. It's well known that inbreeding causes very strange behaviour patterns.


    Need I go on? There are a lot of posters who need to take a hard long look at what they say and how it reflects a national superiority complex. In expressing it on here, they (and I include both republican and unionist posters) are no better than the worst of the Brexiteers or the followers of Le Pen.


  • #1303
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    That's the UK for you, the six counties are a failed political entity. I see people wearing poppies in Dublin every year with no problems.

    There are many people who would like to wear poppies each November but would either be afraid to ( having known people having their windows broken or being attacked for less) or else choose not to, for fear of others thinking they are rubbing their noses in it. There are a lot of relatives of the over 100,000 Irishmen who fought in the world wars, for example. People have learnt to keep their heads low.


  • #1304
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,629 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    blanch152 wrote: »
    It is the underlying theme to so much of this and other threads. Sometimes it rises to the surface, but most of the time it is lying underneath and surfaces in sneering comments.

    Some examples:
















    Need I go on? There are a lot of posters who need to take a hard long look at what they say and how it reflects a national superiority complex. In expressing it on here, they (and I include both republican and unionist posters) are no better than the worst of the Brexiteers or the followers of Le Pen.



    I take your point and accept my part in it. Will try to do better on future.
    I do wonder mind you why you have a pretty nasty go at brexit errs but no mention of remoaners.

    But yeah I take your point


  • #1305
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,323 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    downcow wrote: »
    I take your point and accept my part in it. Will try to do better on future.
    I do wonder mind you why you have a pretty nasty go at brexit errs but no mention of remoaners.

    But yeah I take your point


    Thank you, the reason why I used so many examples of posters was to demonstrate it wasn't targetted at any one particular poster or any particular side.


  • #1306
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    downcow wrote: »
    I take your point and accept my part in it. Will try to do better on future.

    I find your views honest and well put, you do not really have to try better in future as far as I am concerned anyway. You have a right to have pride in your flag and passport as far as I am concerned. You do not have to apologise for it. Overall I think you are quite fair minded. There are extremists and ignorant people on both sides I would not agree with but you are not one of them.


  • #1307
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,629 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    janfebmar wrote: »
    I find your views honest and well put, you do not really have to try better in future as far as I am concerned anyway. You have a right to have pride in your flag and passport as far as I am concerned. You do not have to apologise for it. Overall I think you are quite fair minded. There are extremists and ignorant people on both sides I would not agree with but you are not one of them.
    I agree. We have some people on our side that appear very unreasonable. I have family and friends that frustrate me greatly. But where does responsibility lie. I have been fortunate to engage with Republicans ira etc. It’s is still a very small percentage of people who have met the ‘human’ on the other side. I guess that’s not there fault.
    I am saddened that very good people are completely stuck because of the past.

    I have a good friend who is the sf local councillor and he would do anything for me. I have met good sincere republicans and I would single out Laurence McKeown as an example of a very honest decent republican. He was next to die if the hunger strike had it not ended. I have spent a couple of days with him and quickly felt no need to convince him we are right and he is wrong. Which is too often the approach. He was able to here me vent off about the sectarian nature of the ira and still engage positively.
    People are good up here but there is trauma on both sides. I have friends who just cannot come to terms with the sectarian onslaught that the ira visited on their community. And I have be honest and say that sadly I have watch as that trauma and anger has been passed on to their kids. I think as generations pass the numbers carrying the pain of the conflict will Decrease.
    I remember a gfa time academics saying it will take as long as the conflict to come out the other side. I thought that was nonsense but 20 years on I now think it would be wishful thinking to have it parked in another 20 years.

    I often wonder if there had been no ira would there be a United ireland now or on the horizon. The ira have ensured there will be no United ireland in the next 50 years at least.

    Sorry that was s bit of a ramble but I appreciate your openness


  • #1308
    careless sherpa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 373 ✭✭careless sherpa


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    The recent abuse received by James Mcclean was terrible but doesn't seem to be a one way occurrence.
    https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/soccer/gazza-ira-threatened-to-kill-me-681733.html

    This is covered in the Gazza documentary. It was quite clearly some wing nut as he left his name and address with the death threat. Not something the IRA did unless it was P. O'Neill


  • #1309
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Sorry, I am no British nationalist. I am an Irish nationalist.

    Because I see nation as being of people rather than territory, and am welcoming of other nations, I am not susceptible to the my nation is better than your nation type of thinking that so many posters here indulge in.


    And explaining violence as some on here do, only excuses it. There is no acceptable explanation for the intimidation as described for downcow.


    I would not think from reading your post that you or Irish, I would have thought that you are a UK nationalist .

    To explain is to learn if you dont find explanation acceptable that is your business.


  • #1310
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    janfebmar wrote: »
    There are many people who would like to wear poppies each November but would either be afraid to ( having known people having their windows broken or being attacked for less) or else choose not to, for fear of others thinking they are rubbing their noses in it. There are a lot of relatives of the over 100,000 Irishmen who fought in the world wars, for example. People have learnt to keep their heads low.


    I wouldn't wear one myself and find it strange that Irish people would commemorate British soldiers who carried out countless atrocities in this country but I am an accepting sort of guy so each to their own.
    If other dont have the conviction of their beliefs to wear one in this day and age that's also their business.


  • #1311
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    careless sherpa wrote: »
    This is covered in the Gazza documentary. It was quite clearly some wing nut as he left his name and address with the death threat. Not something the IRA did unless it was P. O'Neill
    Was the name and address real? The threat was taken seriously enough by the cops to ensure care was taken checking under his car before each time he got in to it etc.

    I think that stress would drive anyone to drink even more than normal.


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  • #1312
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Was the name and address real? The threat was taken seriously enough by the cops to ensure care was taken checking under his car before each time he got in to it etc.

    I think that stress would drive anyone to drink even more than normal.


    IRA drove Gazza to drink, who would have thought that?


  • #1313
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,629 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    I wouldn't wear one myself and find it strange that Irish people would commemorate British soldiers who carried out countless atrocities in this country but I am an accepting sort of guy so each to their own.
    If other dont have the conviction of their beliefs to wear one in this day and age that's also their business.

    Well unfortunately republicans have so screwed up identity in NI that I neither wear an NI shirt or a poppy at home because it could be misunderstood. This is what happens when you try to make areas single identity and prevent cultural displays. . I love to get to a game home or away to get my NI shirt on. Looking forward to the Netherlands and Germany. Ironically the locals there will embrace my identity and not feel threatened by it


  • #1314
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    I wouldn't wear one myself and find it strange that Irish people would commemorate British soldiers who carried out countless atrocities in this country.

    The vast vast majority of the over 100,000 Irishmen who served in the wars never carried out any atrocity anywhere, and most people can see the wood from the trees.


  • #1315
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    janfebmar wrote: »
    The vast vast majority of the over 100,000 Irishmen who served in the wars never carried out any atrocity anywhere, and most people can see the wood from the trees.


    A poppy as far as I know is to commemorate and provide money for all BA soldiers including those who committed atrocities like bloody Sunday or Ballymurphy or the countless other kilings by British forces over the years.
    Of course you may know better.


  • #1316
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    janfebmar wrote: »
    The vast vast majority of the over 100,000 Irishmen who served in the wars never carried out any atrocity anywhere, and most people can see the wood from the trees.

    If 1p of it geos to anyone involved in wrong doing here....makes the whole thing a joke imo


    And anyone donating,rightly deserves critism they get


  • #1317
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,629 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    A poppy as far as I know is to commemorate and provide money for all BA soldiers including those who committed atrocities like bloody Sunday or Ballymurphy or the countless other kilings by British forces over the years.
    Of course you may know better.
    Catch yourself on caneramonkey. Unless you have a set of criteria you can suggest


  • #1318
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,629 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    _blaaz wrote: »
    If 1p of it geos to anyone involved in wrong doing here....makes the whole thing a joke imo


    And anyone donating,rightly deserves critism they get

    So blaaz how would you decide who benifits?


  • #1319
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    downcow wrote: »
    So blaaz how would you decide who benifits?

    Get the government to pay...with all these extra trillions brexit is going to give em


    Be no need to be out begging on streets for money to help down and out soldiers


  • #1320
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    downcow wrote: »
    Catch yourself on caneramonkey. Unless you have a set of criteria you can suggest


    I think I am being pretty reasonable about the whole thing as I say each to their own, if people want to wear poppies to commemorate the BA thats their business but dont ask me to support it.

    I wouldn't expect you to support people wearing Easter lilies.


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  • #1321
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    I think I am being pretty reasonable about the whole thing as I say each to their own, if people want to wear poppies to commemorate the BA thats their business but dont ask me to support it.

    I wouldn't expect you to support people wearing Easter lilies.

    I suppose in America people can choose to support veterans and their families, or they can choose to support the families of those who carried out the 9/11 attacks.


  • #1322
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    janfebmar wrote: »
    I suppose in America people can choose to support veterans and their families, or they can choose to support the families of those who carried out the 9/11 attacks.

    America has commited no bloody sundays here ..people can do what they want there,mate


  • #1323
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,323 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    I would not think from reading your post that you or Irish, I would have thought that you are a UK nationalist .

    To explain is to learn if you dont find explanation acceptable that is your business.


    Well, you will be surprised. Have a look at the GAA forum and you will see that I am a dedicated Dublin season ticket holder. I am also a big fan of Irish music.

    What surprises many "republicans" is that many Irish people are disgusted with the way that we have been represented up North by Sinn Fein, that many of us are happy with the current constitutional status, that we believe in the concept of nation without territory.

    So I have explained and maybe you shall learn. Not all GAA and Irish music fans are rabid Irish republicans.


  • #1324
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,323 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    I wouldn't wear one myself and find it strange that Irish people would commemorate British soldiers who carried out countless atrocities in this country but I am an accepting sort of guy so each to their own.
    If other dont have the conviction of their beliefs to wear one in this day and age that's also their business.

    I would find it difficult to wear a poppy because of the association with the British army in general rather than the First and Second World Wars in particular. Nevertheless, it is a badge of commemoration rather than celebration, and we should respect those who do wear it.

    You obviously have no idea of the intimidation in parts of the North from so-called republicans.


  • #1325
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    janfebmar wrote: »
    I suppose in America people can choose to support veterans and their families, or they can choose to support the families of those who carried out the 9/11 attacks.
    Your post makes no sense. We are taking about Ireland here, The British occupied this country and murdered tens of thousands of people in most brutal of circumstances so I dont understand how people would expect Irish people to wear a symbol to commemorate those murderers.


  • #1326
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    blanch152 wrote: »
    I am an Irish nationalist. Because I see nation as being of people rather than territory, and am welcoming of other nations, I am not susceptible to the my nation is better than your nation type of thinking that so many posters here indulge in.


    What type of Irish nationalist is that has made no secret of, essentially, wishing that Unionist votes should be weighted to prevent a his 'fellow' nationalists in the north from uniting the Irish nation politically?

    I'm trying to figure out if you're attempting to gaslight the readers of the thread or if you genuinely hold such bizarrely dissonant positions.


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  • #1327
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,323 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    _blaaz wrote: »
    If 1p of it geos to anyone involved in wrong doing here....makes the whole thing a joke imo


    And anyone donating,rightly deserves critism they get


    That is exactly the kind of thinking that perpetuates divisions on this island.


  • #1328
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    blanch152 wrote: »
    That is exactly the kind of thinking that perpetuates divisions on this island.

    Thinking people should grt critised for supporting perpetuators of bloody sunday.....forgive me if i dont think they are good people


  • #1329
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    blanch152 wrote: »
    I would find it difficult to wear a poppy because of the association with the British army in general rather than the First and Second World Wars in particular. Nevertheless, it is a badge of commemoration rather than celebration, and we should respect those who do wear it.

    You obviously have no idea of the intimidation in parts of the North from so-called republicans.


    Unfortunately the North is a malfunctioning statelet , it is under UK control, they have produced a place that is economically depressed, social deprived and culturally backward. It is a disaster and the UK could hardly have produce such a wreck even if they tried.


  • #1330
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,323 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    What type of Irish nationalist is that has made no secret of, essentially, wishing that Unionist votes should be weighted to prevent a his 'fellow' nationalists in the north from uniting the Irish nation politically?

    I'm trying to figure out if you're attempting to gaslight the readers of the thread or if you genuinely hold such bizarrely dissonant positions.


    Again, you are a nationalist of the territory type.

    I find that bizarre in the modern world. Nationality is fluid - just ask Rory McIlroy, Declan Rice, Eoin Morgan, and many others.

    In a fluid sense of nationality, why should territory mean anything, unless you are tied to 19th century thinking?

    Political unification is meaningless for a nation nowadays, we are Europeans first.


  • #1331
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,323 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Unfortunately the North is a malfunctioning statelet , it is under UK control, they have produced a place that is economically depressed, social deprived and culturally backward. It is a disaster and the UK could hardly have produce such a wreck even if they tried.

    Whose fault is that?

    The most economically deprived place in Northern Europe is West Belfast. It has been represented for most of the last 30 years by Gerry Adams. That tells you everything about what he has done for his people. Impoverished them for an outdated ideology.


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  • #1332
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,824 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    janfebmar wrote: »
    I suppose in America people can choose to support veterans and their families, or they can choose to support the families of those who carried out the 9/11 attacks.

    WTF. Are you joking? Your supposition is nonsense. Americans support 9/11 victim's families, the military, each other... It's loony to suggest they support murderers from Saudi Arabia


  • #1333
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,323 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    _blaaz wrote: »
    Thinking people should grt critised for supporting perpetuators of bloody sunday.....forgive me if i dont think they are good people

    Who is supporting perpetuators of Bloody Sunday?

    Haven't seen them on here. The British government are trying to prosecute them.

    At the same time, child abusers, cold-blooded killers and the like from the republican side are wandering around with letters of comfort etc.

    I have no sympathy for criminals on either side. If anyone committed an illegal act, they should be prosecuted.


  • #1334
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    I do find it hilarious that they burn a tricolour which is one of the most deliberately inclusive flags in the world.
    They are too stupid to realise they are present on it, and that St.Patrick is 1/3 of their union flag.


  • #1335
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    blanch152 wrote: »
    In a fluid sense of nationality, why should territory mean anything, unless you are tied to 19th century thinking?

    If territory means nothing to you then why do you obsess with preventing a United Ireland?

    More bizarre dissonance.. or is it gaslighting?

    Who knows at this point?


  • #1336
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,824 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Unfortunately the North is a malfunctioning statelet , it is under UK control, they have produced a place that is economically depressed, social deprived and culturally backward. It is a disaster and the UK could hardly have produce such a wreck even if they tried.
    If NI gets a border down the Irish Sea due to Brexit and stays in the CU and SM, they hopefully will do great economically.


  • #1337
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Who is supporting perpetuators of Bloody Sunday?

    Haven't seen them on here. The British government are trying to prosecute them.

    Anyone who buys or supports wearing poppy is
    At the same time, child abusers, cold-blooded killers and the like from the republican side are wandering around with letters of comfort etc.

    I have no sympathy for criminals on either side. If anyone committed an illegal act, they should be prosecuted.
    .......


    meh....quite something your ready to jump through hoops to explaim away republican crims....but hid behind the poppy to support bloody sunday perputators....but then i seen you and few others gaslighting other posters on threads and screenshots of yere discords...so no suprise yous stoop to this


  • #1338
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Whose fault is that?

    The most economically deprived place in Northern Europe is West Belfast. It has been represented for most of the last 30 years by Gerry Adams. That tells you everything about what he has done for his people. Impoverished them for an outdated ideology.


    If it makes you happy to criticise GA then so be it but the six counties is controlled by the UK and they have run the place into the ground . The British have been a disaster or Ireland and particularly the six counties. The place is a basket case that can only be turned around by it taking its rightful place in an all Ireland state.


  • #1339
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    _blaaz wrote: »
    Thinking people should grt critised for supporting perpetuators of bloody sunday.....forgive me if i dont think they are good people

    Taxpayers in a country with nuclear power would not use the ridiculous argument of avoiding tax because there is a chance 00.0001 % of it may go towards a nuclear power plant. Voluntary donors to a charity would not baulk at donating to a charity because there is a chance 00.0001% of it may go to a few soldiers involved in murder.

    If it was not for the sacrifices of the British forces, people in these islands would probably be speaking German now, with our disabled, our homosexuals, our travellers, our Jews etc long gone. And the rest of us working in Nazi slave camps like many did during the war.


  • #1340
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Taxpayers in a country with nuclear power would not use the ridiculous argument of avoiding tax because there is a chance 00.0001 % of it may go towards a nuclear power plant. Voluntary donors to a charity would not baulk at donating to a charity because there is a chance 00.0001% of it may go to a few soldiers involved in murder.

    Your free to support bloody sunday murderers....just a trash thing to do mate
    If it was not for the sacrifices of the British forces, people in the islands would probably be speaking German now, with our disabled, our homosexuals, our travellers, our Jews etc long gone. And the rest of us working in Nazi slave camps like many did during the war.

    None of this happened here...so dont care (besides everyone whos ever read anything other than union bears forum,knows russia done all the heavy lifting in ww2)


  • #1341
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    janfebmar wrote: »
    If it was not for the sacrifices of the British forces, people in these islands would probably be speaking German now, with our disabled, our homosexuals, our travellers, our Jews etc long gone. And the rest of us working in Nazi slave camps like many did during the war.


    We are speaking a foreign language because of the British Army, its called English instead of German. As for the rest of your post in the past you could just substitute UK slave camps for Nazi because the British often behaved just as the nazis did when it came to Ireland. You were the bad guys , you just don't realise it.


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  • #1342
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Igotadose wrote: »
    WTF. Are you joking? Your supposition is nonsense. Americans support 9/11 victim's families, the military, each other... It's loony to suggest they support murderers from Saudi Arabia

    I was responding to another poster who referenced donating to IRA. There is no difference between 9/11 and LeMons bomb, Guildford pub bombings, Enniskillen, bloody Friday bombings etc etc except one of scale.


  • #1343
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Taxpayers in a country with nuclear power would not use the ridiculous argument of avoiding tax because there is a chance 00.0001 % of it may go towards a nuclear power plant. Voluntary donors to a charity would not baulk at donating to a charity because there is a chance 00.0001% of it may go to a few soldiers involved in murder.

    If it was not for the sacrifices of the British forces, people in these islands would probably be speaking German now, with our disabled, our homosexuals, our travellers, our Jews etc long gone. And the rest of us working in Nazi slave camps like many did during the war.

    I look forward to the day when those members of the British Army, the armed wing of the state, are brought to justice for the EXECUTION of civilians on the streets of Derry.


  • #1344
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    Rodin wrote: »
    I look forward to the day when those members of the British Army, the armed wing of the state, are brought to justice for the EXECUTION of civilians on the streets of Derry.

    Theres no reason soldier F (and several others) shouldnt die in jail tbh....the 2 year restriction for troubles offrnces is from 1974 afaik


  • #1345
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    We are speaking a foreign language because of the British Army, its called English instead of German.

    And so is USA, Canada, Oz, New Zealand etc.


  • #1346
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Taxpayers in a country with nuclear power would not use the ridiculous argument of avoiding tax because there is a chance 00.0001 % of it may go towards a nuclear power plant. Voluntary donors to a charity would not baulk at donating to a charity because there is a chance 00.0001% of it may go to a few soldiers involved in murder.

    If it was not for the sacrifices of the British forces, people in these islands would probably be speaking German now, with our disabled, our homosexuals, our travellers, our Jews etc long gone. And the rest of us working in Nazi slave camps like many did during the war.

    Oh how terrible indeed if the people of Ireland had their language suppressed and replaced by that of a forign invader. Were it not for the Red Army, and the truely staggering sacrifices of the Russian people, which is not too often acknoleged in the British recounting, there is little to nothing the British forces could have done about the Nazis.


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    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    janfebmar wrote: »
    And so is USA, Canada, Oz, New Zealand etc.

    All we are saying here is that the English were vastly worse than the Germans ever were when it comes to replacing the native language of the territories they conqured.


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    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    Oh how terrible indeed if the people of Ireland had their language suppressed and replaced by that of a forign invader. Were it not for the Red Army, and the truely staggering sacrifices of the Russian people, which is not too often acknoleged in the British recounting, there is little to nothing the British forces could have done about the Nazis.

    Except stand alone in Europe against Nazis Germany in the early part of the war, and send many convoys of war supplies to Russia.


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    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    All we are saying here is that the English were vastly worse than the Germans ever were when it comes to replacing the native language of the territories they conqured.

    We were part of the UK forces who colonised America, Australia, New Zealand etc.


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    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,323 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    _blaaz wrote: »
    Anyone who buys or supports wearing poppy is

    .......


    meh....quite something your ready to jump through hoops to explaim away republican crims....but hid behind the poppy to support bloody sunday perputators....but then i seen you and few others gaslighting other posters on threads and screenshots of yere discords...so no suprise yous stoop to this

    Ah crap. There is no way that everyone who buys or supports wearing poppys is supporting Bloody Sunday. That is typical republican revisionism and intimidation.

    Learn to tolerate others, would you?


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  • #1351
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    janfebmar wrote: »
    We were part of the UK forces who colonised America, Australia, New Zealand etc.

    Individual people joined in the imperial adventures of the conqurer of their nation, yes. You always get colaborators unfortunatly. What exactly is your point?


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