RSA ad on unaccompanied L drivers

road_high · 05-01-2019 10:18pm #1

Anyone see the latest RSA ad? Man from north cork who’s wife and daughter died a few years ago in a horrible accident- the ad is quite pointed and sharp I think. I know his family were killed and it’s very tragic but the poor girl didn’t deliberately set out to kill them and could have happened any driver or accompanied driver. I think it’s in poor taste/tone

lbc2019 · 05-01-2019 10:20pm

Do you know the full details of the incident? AFAIK her being an unqualified inexperienced driver contributed to the incident

road_high · 05-01-2019 10:30pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

Do you know the full details of the incident? AFAIK her being an unqualified inexperienced driver contributed to the incident

Yes in so much as was in the media. An accident can happen even the most experienced of drivers, pretty hard to pin blame solely on that aspect.

lbc2019 · 05-01-2019 10:37pm

road_high wrote: »

Yes in so much as was in the media. An accident can happen even the most experienced of drivers, pretty hard to pin blame solely on that aspect.

Thats the point of the investigation

Needles73 · 05-01-2019 10:43pm

I think the ad is very inappropriate. I have nothing but sympathy for this man who lost his wife and daughter.
But I also have sympathy for the unaccompanied driver who was unsupervised and made a terrible mistake. They have to live with this. That’s punishment enough without an ill thought out type of advert.

road_high · 05-01-2019 10:49pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

Thats the point of the investigation

There’s usually a lot of factors involved. That come together. Had they’re been no flood for example they wouldn’t have died as they unfortunately drowned in surface water after all the rainfall that winter

road_high · 05-01-2019 10:50pm

Needles73 wrote: »

I think the ad is very inappropriate. I have nothing but sympathy for this man who lost his wife and daughter.
But I also have sympathy for the unaccompanied driver who was unsupervised and made a terrible mistake. They have to live with this. That’s punishment enough without an ill thought out type of advert.

That’s exactly my point. I cringe when it comes on

lbc2019 · 05-01-2019 10:50pm

Needles73 wrote: »

I think the ad is very inappropriate. I have nothing but sympathy for this man who lost his wife and daughter.
But I also have sympathy for the unaccompanied driver who was unsupervised and made a terrible mistake. They have to live with this. That’s punishment enough without an ill thought out type of advert.

It will teach others not to drive alone unless fully qualified

lbc2019 · 05-01-2019 10:51pm

road_high wrote: »

There’s usually a lot of factors involved. That come togrtger. Had they’re been no flood for example they wouldn’t have died as they unfortunately drowned in surface water after all the rainfall that winter

So she was inexperienced and driving in a flood?

lbc2019 · 05-01-2019 10:52pm

Accidents dont just ‘happen’ I worked in Motor insurance claims - there is always an underlying cause

road_high · 05-01-2019 10:53pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

So she was inexperienced and driving in a flood?

She wasn’t driving “in a flood”. Fields and dykes beside the road were flooded

punisher5112 · 05-01-2019 10:58pm

These ads will not put people off.

Most young people hell even older don't even watch TV anymore and use many other methods.

What should be also looked at is these ditches, drains, blind bends/corners.... Etc. They should be covered or moved further from the road.

I myself was very lucky to walk away from a crash where I hit black ice and went off road directly into a tree right beside a swollen river.

The car was destroyed and I had to get out the passenger side but the river had not one barrier or any protection and a huge drop off from the road.

Stephen15 · 05-01-2019 11:01pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

Do you know the full details of the incident? AFAIK her being an unqualified inexperienced driver contributed to the incident

Plenty of "learner" drivers driving unaccompanied for sometimes up to 10 years as they haven't been bothered even sitting a test. Just because someone is a learner driver doesn't necessarily mean their inexpierenced there's plenty of people on a learner permits driving longer than people on full licences.

punisher5112 · 05-01-2019 11:01pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

Accidents dont just ‘happen’ I worked in Motor insurance claims - there is always an underlying cause

That's why they are called road traffic collisions.

lbc2019 · 05-01-2019 11:03pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Plenty of "learner" drivers driving unaccompanied for sometimes up to 10 years as they haven't been bothered even sitting a test. Just because someone is a learner driver doesn't necessarily mean their inexpierenced there's plenty of people on a learner permits driving longer than people on full licences.

Well they should do a test. Learner permit drivers are not allowed drive unaccompanied with good reason

punisher5112 · 05-01-2019 11:04pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Plenty of "learner" drivers driving unaccompanied for sometimes up to 10 years as they haven't been bothered even sitting a test. Just because someone is a learner driver doesn't necessarily mean their inexpierenced there's plenty of people on a learner permits driving longer than people on full licences.

But they are still not experienced enough to be honest.

It's ridiculous what's actually allowed go on out there.

Driving styles are horrendous.

lbc2019 · 05-01-2019 11:05pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

These ads will not put people off.

Most young people hell even older don't even watch TV anymore and use many other methods.

What should be also looked at is these ditches, drains, blind bends/corners.... Etc. They should be covered or moved further from the road.

I myself was very lucky to walk away from a crash where I hit black ice and went off road directly into a tree right beside a swollen river.

The car was destroyed and I had to get out the passenger side but the river had not one barrier or any protection and a huge drop off from the road.

We’re you driving at a suitable speed for the conditions? Were there signs indicating the unprotected banks?

lbc2019 · 05-01-2019 11:06pm

road_high wrote: »

She wasn’t driving “in a flood”. Fields and dykes beside the road were flooded

So there was flooding and If I remember the weather was poor

lbc2019 · 05-01-2019 11:07pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

That's why they are called road traffic collisions.

We referred to them as road traffic incidents

Stheno · 05-01-2019 11:07pm

I think it like the drunk driver ad are very appropriate tbh.

I'd like to see that learner driver charged appropriately

Stephen15 · 05-01-2019 11:07pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

Well they should do a test. Learner permit drivers are not allowed drive unaccompanied with good reason

Yes but that doesn't mean many still do. I know people who commute to and from work everyday by car driving on the motorway from down the country to Dublin and they've been driving for the guts of four or five years.

lbc2019 · 05-01-2019 11:10pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Yes but that doesn't mean many still do. I know people who commute to and from work everyday by car driving on the motorway from down the country to Dublin and they've been driving for the guts of four or five years.

So not only are they breaking one law, they are breaking two?

Stephen15 · 05-01-2019 11:13pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

But they are still not experienced enough to be honest.

It's ridiculous what's actually allowed go on out there.

Driving styles are horrendous.

I'd agree with you there but it's not just learner drivers plenty of bad drivers out there with full licences too. They should have to have at least sat a test before renewing a licence.

Needles73 · 05-01-2019 11:19pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

It will teach others not to drive alone unless fully qualified

I hope it does but at what cost. A single incident which clearly points blame at one person should not be the basis of a national road safety campaign at Christmas.
For years unaccompanied drivers drove because the law wasn’t enforced. Now we have a new unnecessary law and maybe it will be enforced. Maybe not. The RSA ( and our law makers) are great with road safety once it costs very little. We test our cars but who tests the roads ? We have laws coming out our ears but yet everyday I see people driving and on the phone for example. Do the guards not see what i see ?
We want to bring in more laws to protect cyclists but we don’t want to actually build proper cycle lanes. We bring in even tighter drink laws but we never actually enforced the old ones.....We don’t teach road safety in schools, we don’t teach first aid. We investigate every fatal road accident but why don’t we publish the findings minus names and sensitive details ? Where’s the learning ?

Surely we could have done better than single out one accident and remind one person that they cost two life’s at Christmas. In my opinion very poor and lazy by RSA.

road_high · 05-01-2019 11:20pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

So there was flooding and If I remember the weather was poor

Yes as is often the case in Ireland! Should we all just stop driving every time the weather conditions are not 100% perfect?

Stephen15 · 05-01-2019 11:21pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

So not only are they breaking one law, they are breaking two?

That appears to happen due a lack of enforcement.

lbc2019 · 05-01-2019 11:33pm

road_high wrote: »

Yes as is often the case in Ireland! Should we all just stop driving every time the weather conditions are not 100% perfect?

Inexperienced drivers shouldn’t drive in poor weather

lbc2019 · 05-01-2019 11:33pm

Needles73 wrote: »

I hope it does but at what cost. A single incident which clearly points blame at one person should not be the basis of a national road safety campaign at Christmas.
For years unaccompanied drivers drove because the law wasn’t enforced. Now we have a new unnecessary law and maybe it will be enforced. Maybe not. The RSA ( and our law makers) are great with road safety once it costs very little. We test our cars but who tests the roads ? We have laws coming out our ears but yet everyday I see people driving and on the phone for example. Do the guards not see what i see ?
We want to bring in more laws to protect cyclists but we don’t want to actually build proper cycle lanes. We bring in even tighter drink laws but we never actually enforced the old ones.....We don’t teach road safety in schools, we don’t teach first aid. We investigate every fatal road accident but why don’t we publish the findings minus names and sensitive details ? Where’s the learning ?

Surely we could have done better than single out one accident and remind one person that they cost two life’s at Christmas. In my opinion very poor and lazy by RSA.

The courts found her at fault

splinter65 · 05-01-2019 11:36pm

road_high wrote: »

Anyone see the latest RSA ad? Man from north cork who’s wife and daughter died a few years ago in a horrible accident- the ad is quite pointed and sharp I think. I know his family were killed and it’s very tragic but the poor girl didn’t deliberately set out to kill them and could have happened any driver or accompanied driver. I think it’s in poor taste/tone

I agree and my mother and I were just talking about it on the phone. Anyone would think that she and her parents were psychotic. I totally get that his life is destroyed but this ad smacks of state sponsored vengeance and I hope that this doesn’t backfire on them.

Stheno · 05-01-2019 11:38pm

Stheno wrote: »

I think it like the drunk driver ad are very appropriate tbh.

I'd like to see that learner driver charged appropriately

I just discovered she was banned for 15 years

Seems fair

It seems the RSA only do these ads after court

Victor · 05-01-2019 11:41pm

road_high wrote: »

I think it’s in poor taste/tone

Killing someone's family is also in poor taste/tone.

I did a 3-day first aid course and was taught the basics of first aid. If I try to do CPR on someone, but they die anyway, I won't be held accountable. However, if I try to do brain surgery, which I'm not trained for and they die, well, I was acting far beyond my training and would be negligent to have tried brain surgery at all. I would be held accountable.

Similarly, learner drivers are required to be accompanied by trained drivers. If they aren't accompanied, they are acting beyond their training and need to be held accountable.

lbc2019 · 05-01-2019 11:47pm

They couldnt do them without a conviction tbf

lbc2019 · 05-01-2019 11:48pm

So locals feel sorry for the driver and this should influence RSA behaviour? Thankfully not

emeldc · 05-01-2019 11:49pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

Inexperienced drivers shouldn’t drive in poor weather

There’s shed loads of experienced drivers out there that shouldn’t even be let out in a car after dark!
You’re spouting some amount of nonsense TBH.

Stheno · 05-01-2019 11:49pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

So locals feel sorry for the driver and this should influence RSA behaviour? Thankfully not

Agreed

Stephen15 · 05-01-2019 11:50pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

Inexperienced drivers shouldn’t drive in poor weather

Knowing how to drive properly in poor conditions is an important part of learning to drive.

punisher5112 · 05-01-2019 11:50pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

We’re you driving at a suitable speed for the conditions? Were there signs indicating the unprotected banks?

Well the Audi that overtook me seemed ok, yes I was driving for conditions but I will admit and fully fully back the major contribution was cheap a#s Chinese Dutch finders.

I've driven in much much worse conditions faster then I was but also I found the car itself at the time was a sh1te handling car. Vectra 1.6 big standard.

lbc2019 · 05-01-2019 11:50pm

emeldc wrote: »

There’s shed loads of experienced drivers out there that shouldn’t even be let out in a car after dark!
You’re spouting some amount of nonsense TBH.

What nonsense? Ah shure youll be grand had our road fatalities at the numbers they were

KERSPLAT! · 05-01-2019 11:50pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

So locals feel sorry for the driver and this should influence RSA behaviour? Thankfully not

Where exactly was that said?

lbc2019 · 05-01-2019 11:52pm

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Where exactly was that said?

My reading of fresh popcorn’s post

KERSPLAT! · 05-01-2019 11:53pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

My reading of fresh popcorn’s post

Yes, I had assumed that but which part? Can't understand where you'd draw the conclusion from.

lbc2019 · 05-01-2019 11:54pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Well the Audi that overtook me seemed ok, yes I was driving for conditions but I will admit and fully fully back the major contribution was cheap a#s Chinese Dutch finders.

I've driven in much much worse conditions faster then I was but also I found the car itself at the time was a sh1te handling car. Vectra 1.6 big standard.

So you were aware of your cars poor handling and rightly couldn’t compare it with the Audi’s

lbc2019 · 05-01-2019 11:54pm

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Yes, I had assumed that but which part? Can't understand where you'd draw the conclusion from.

If you can’t there is little I can do for you tbf

KERSPLAT! · 05-01-2019 11:55pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

If you can’t there is little I can do for you tbf

Because it isn't there, tbf.

lbc2019 · 05-01-2019 11:55pm

emeldc wrote: »

There’s shed loads of experienced drivers out there that shouldn’t even be let out in a car after dark!
You’re spouting some amount of nonsense TBH.

A lot were given full licences without a proper test

Stheno · 05-01-2019 11:56pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

A lot were given full licences without a proper test

Thats a myth tbh

road_high · 05-01-2019 11:59pm

Victor wrote: »

Killing someone's family is also in poor taste/tone.

I did a 3-day first aid course and was taught the basics of first aid. If I try to do CPR on someone, but they die anyway, I won't be held accountable. However, if I try to do brain surgery, which I'm not trained for and they die, well, I was acting far beyond my training and would be negligent to have tried brain surgery at all. I would be held accountable.

Similarly, learner drivers are required to be accompanied by trained drivers. If they aren't accompanied, they are acting beyond their training and need to be held accountable.

You sound like the ad- there was no deliberate “killing someone’s family” just a horrible, unfortunate accident that that poor girl and their family will have to live with forever.

Stheno · 05-01-2019 11:59pm

Purple Mountain wrote: »

This did come to my mind that anyone related to or connected to the bereaved family would be seen as very hypocritical if they were seen driving around North Cork unaccompanied as a Learner driver.
This is a very sad and tragic case and my heart breaks for the family of the bereaved.
However there are no winners as that girl did not set out that day to be part responsible for the death of her neighbours (the bad weather and poor drainage were also responsible I feel).

If she had not caused them to go off the road perhaps they might still be alive?

She admitted in court to driving dangerously and causing the collision

punisher5112 · 06-01-2019 12:00am

lbc2019 wrote: »

So you were aware of your cars poor handling and rightly couldn’t compare it with the Audi’s

They are poor at best.

I had only drove it that night.

It was actually my dad's car as I had sold the 3 I had and was waiting for my other one.

I took it handy and was at around 50km/h when it went off the road. As I said black ice and roads weren't treated which I noticed after.

I wasn't flooring it in any way and have never had an ounce of issues in any other car I've had but those I bought for handling and performance.

One thing I will say is I will and would never ever drive a car in the wet or cold on Chinese finish.

UrbanFret · 06-01-2019 12:00am

Back in the 70s they were far fewer cars yet the death tolls on or roads regularly hit close to 600 per annum. What exactly will an experiernced driver sitting in a passenger seat do in these circumstances. The girl could have passed her test an hour before this accident, would it have made any difference?

lbc2019 · 06-01-2019 12:00am

Stheno wrote: »

Thats a myth tbh

No its a fact

1979 Irish licence amnesty- google it

RSA ad on unaccompanied L drivers

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