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Why no town square in Dublin?

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    #182
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    McGaggs wrote: »
    Well, I didn't want to start going on about the lads on las ramblas on Barcelona who'll walk up to you and loudly whisper "heroin, hashish?", or the prostitutes towards the Columbus monument who shout out their prices in the early hours.

    Go on outta that ya ****ing expert. Probable on a first name basis with em :D


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    #183
    whisky_galore
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    crazy 88 wrote: »
    They do not. Any of the large city squares I have been to in European cities have very few or none of them. Even Times Square was OK. I don't know why this is. I'm guessing it might be because homeless accommodation and treatment centres are not in the city centres.

    Prague main station surrounds was junkie central. Harmless and non threatening though.


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    #184
    joeguevara
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    Amirani wrote: »
    Main square in Munich isn't outside the main train station.

    Not the hauptbahnhof but is on the Marienplatz s bahn and Ubahn. hBH is not really that central to anything


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    #185
    Eleven Benevolent Elephants
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    afatbollix wrote: »
    Dublin wasn't flattened in the war for it all to be replanned and rebuilt.

    Dam square etc. has existed loooooonnnnggg before the war. Ridiculous statement.


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    #186
    John_Rambo
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    Eleven Benevolent Elephants, you've been provided with a comprehensive list of squares and civic areas in Dublin but you still want carbon copies of other cities civic spaces.

    Our European cities evolved over centuries through different ages, they developed organically and were influenced by different cultures, weather, and needs of the times. They're individual cities and offer different amenities.

    Hopefully College green will be developed as a civic space similar to the one you're looking for. I'd like that too, but try the other ones. Grand Canal Dock is has very very mature vibe on a summers night, lots of people out dining. and drinking without trouble. Very enjoyable.


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    #187
    Thelonious Monk
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    Fitzwilliam Square is private, so doesn't count.


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    #188
    completedit
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    Is the area around grand canal dock turning into a place where people socialise?


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    #189
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    People romanticising cities that they've spent a weekend in.


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    #190
    completedit
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    People romanticising cities that they've spent a weekend in.

    Lived in Prague for a year. It's not about the city being pristine and high class everywhere you go; it's about having good places that give life to the city.

    TBF, off the top of my head nowhere in Prague has the concentration of nightlife like the area around Harcourt Street and Camden have; not to the same extent.
    Dublin is good; the hatred for outdoor congregation has to end though(once Covid is over) We have a love hate relationship with alcohol in this country. We need to grow up and realise it's a drink. Even avid drinkers act as if its this fortbidden thing hence the likes of dry january


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    #191
    Thelonious Monk
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    completedit wrote: »
    Is the area around grand canal dock turning into a place where people socialise?

    When the weather is nice it's busy around there yes, not at night though.


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    completedit wrote: »
    Lived in Prague for a year. It's not about the city being pristine and high class everywhere you go; it's about having good places that give life to the city.

    TBF, off the top of my head nowhere in Prague has the concentration of nightlife like the area around Harcourt Street and Camden have; not to the same extent.
    Dublin is good; the hatred for outdoor congregation has to end though(once Covid is over) We have a love hate relationship with alcohol in this country. We need to grow up and realise it's a drink. Even avid drinkers act as if its this fortbidden thing hence the likes of dry january

    Other nations that like to drink but have a healthy attitude dont consider being legless at closing or hungover in work as an acceptable part of it. Thats what needs to change.

    Sure, drink if you want to but know your limit and either head home at it or pace yourself. Its a race to the bottom of the bottle too much in Ireland


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    #193
    Eleven Benevolent Elephants
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    People romanticising cities that they've spent a weekend in.

    Speak for yourself.

    I lived and worked in the Netherlands (not Amsterdam, a different town near Maastricht).


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    #194
    Dublin Spur
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    Krakow is a perfect example


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    #195
    whisky_galore
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    Dublin Spur wrote: »
    Krakow is a perfect example

    Krakow in winter is like 70s Dublin in terms of smog.


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    #196
    Eleven Benevolent Elephants
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Krakow in winter is like 70s Dublin in terms of smog.

    And yet they still have a square despite the "weather" that some posters claim is preventing Dublin from having one.


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    #197
    Biker79
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    Passed by WolfTone Square this morning. It was literally teeming with degenerates on the p**s - at 11:00 am.

    Should have taken a photo for the thread.


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    Biker79 wrote: »
    Passed by WolfTone Square this morning. It was literally teeming with degenerates on the p**s - at 11:00 am.

    Should have taken a photo for the thread.

    Certainly never encounter that in a square or park in eastern europe

    THeres loads of parks and squares in Ireland and plenty of the issues seen in Ireland are encountered abroad.

    Maybe we dont make as big an effort for festivals / markets but thats not the lack of location


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    #199
    John_Rambo
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    Spent a good while in Smithfield square this morning. Very pleasant in the sun, lots of people from builders to suits making use of the space & having take-away lunches & coffee.

    But the city is massively suffering. It's truly shocking the amount of businesses with shutters down for such a long time. Very sad to see and one wonders about the survival rate and what type of city we're going to return to next Autumn.


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    #200
    Biker79
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    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    Certainly never encounter that in a square or park in eastern europe

    There's loads of parks and squares in Ireland and plenty of the issues seen in Ireland are encountered abroad.

    Maybe we don't make as big an effort for festivals/markets but thats not the lack of location

    There are quite a lot of street drinkers/ homeless from Eastern Europe over here. As the head of DCC said ' the better the service, the greater the demand '. (That, and a possible EU quota to fill)

    https://www.thejournal.ie/council-chief-executive-criticised-for-saying-good-homeless-services-create-demand-4498259-Feb2019/


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    Biker79 wrote: »
    There are quite a lot of street drinkers/ homeless from Eastern Europe over here. As the head of DCC said ' the better the service, the greater the demand '. (That, and a possible EU quota to fill)

    https://www.thejournal.ie/council-chief-executive-criticised-for-saying-good-homeless-services-create-demand-4498259-Feb2019/

    I was being sarcastic


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    #202
    3d4life
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    Hey OP, why no trolley buses in Dublin like you find in a lot of European capital cities ?

    No need for battery or hybrid buses when you have trolley buses.

    So, Why Is It ?


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    L1011
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    3d4life wrote: »
    Hey OP, why no trolley buses in Dublin like you find in a lot of European capital cities ?

    No need for battery or hybrid buses when you have trolley buses.

    So, Why Is It ?

    The DUTC fell in love with diesels for the extremely low capital cost of serving new estates in the 20s - a few poles and the actual buses - and hence stopped extending their tram network and never did trolleybuses at all. Only Belfast had trolleybuses


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    #204
    3d4life
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    Ah shure L1011, dont be ruining the whole thing with your facts...



    :D


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    #205
    Eleven Benevolent Elephants
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    3d4life wrote: »
    Hey OP, why no trolley buses in Dublin like you find in a lot of European capital cities ?

    No need for battery or hybrid buses when you have trolley buses.

    So, Why Is It ?

    We had miles of tram tracks in Dublin which fell into disrepair, those tracks could've been used for trolleys I suppose.

    I don't see how that's relevant to my op though.


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    #206
    John_Rambo
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    You going to try and hang out in some of the civic areas listed when the summer hits Elephants?

    I honestly can't see things going back to normal till Autumn, but I reckon outdoor socialisation might be the thing for summer 21 so your post is pretty topical.


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    #207
    3d4life
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    Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »
    ...

    I don't see how that's relevant to my op though.


    Does it have to be ?


    * grasps at straws *


    If we had electric trolley buses Dublin air would be much cleaner


    ( will that do ? )


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    #208
    Thelonious Monk
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    If you google European squares, you get pictures like this. I would imagine that's what the OP is talking about. We don't really have anything like that, the closest open space like that is probably Smithfield which isn't really central where the classic European squares usually are, and I used to work around that way, it's a kip in my opinion. It has the juvenile courts, lots of dodgy characters, and some really horrible buildings and corporation houses on the square. They may have fixed it up since but I remember there were literal ruins of buildings where the Cobblestone is.
    There are some nice bars and restaurants there but it's not aesthetically pleasing in my opinion. Reminds me a bit of Shoreditch in London.
    We do have Merrion and St Stephen's green, which are more parks than squares, so at least there's that.


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    #209
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    The original question has been answered multiple times. Yes, there is no official town square in Dublin - that's not the way the city was built. But there are numerous examples of other not so square areas in the city which are pretty cool if people want to check them out. Doneski.


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    #210
    GT89
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    3d4life wrote: »
    Does it have to be ?


    * grasps at straws *


    If we had electric trolley buses Dublin air would be much cleaner


    ( will that do ? )

    Until the bus gets delayed because the pantograph falls off from the wires and the driver has to get out with a big stick to reconnect it.


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    #211
    3d4life
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    GT89 wrote: »
    Until the bus gets delayed because the pantograph falls off from the wires and the driver has to get out with a big stick to reconnect it.


    O/T ( 'cause there is a forum about buses somewhere nearby ) major cities around the world seem to manage bus pantograph issues fine ( San Fran, Moscow and Zurich come to mind ) :)


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