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  • Registered Users Posts: 348 ✭✭Timmy O Toole


    With numbers getting low again its a matter of time before "suspected cases" come back in the headlines


  • Registered Users Posts: 199 ✭✭Maestro85


    I find it strange that there are no "news" reports on the new variants. It seems like the pressure to open up is having an effect as it did at Christmas. I am praying we don't have an aftershock as we did due to Christmas meetups. Looking at the domestic tourism markets for this year shows July/August being the most booked out months for tourism.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭mohawk


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Wtf!
    Some of ye should just ..switch off the news and the briefings if you don't want to know !

    There have been four mothers who have lost their babies due to infection from a preventable virus.
    Placentitis and amniotic infections can cause miscarriage and still birth from other severe infections .
    As it happens these were caused by Covid .
    Why would pregnant women all over the country not want to know this ?

    I can find one research paper referring to Covid Placentitis. It’s an Irish research paper. Generally it is considered unwise to draw conclusions from a case study. Now many over next few weeks and months we will start seeing similar cases being reported from all over the world. Then we will have more concrete evidence that Covid is causing Still births.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    There have been four mothers who have lost their babies due to infection from a preventable virus.
    Watching the news here and this has not been confirmed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Maestro85 wrote: »
    I find it strange that there are no "news" reports on the new variants. It seems like the pressure to open up is having an effect as it did at Christmas. I am praying we don't have an aftershock as we did due to Christmas meetups. Looking at the domestic tourism markets for this year shows July/August being the most booked out months for tourism.

    Genuine question but do you know is there any difference in behaviour in winter versus behaviour in summer regarding socialising?
    People have booked trips away assuming they will be allowed to do so, what will be open to entertain them is another matter.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    mohawk wrote: »
    I can find one research paper referring to Covid Placentitis. It’s an Irish research paper. Generally it is considered unwise to draw conclusions from a case study. Now many over next few weeks and months we will start seeing similar cases being reported from all over the world. Then we will have more concrete evidence that Covid is causing Still births.

    The advice has been fairly clear that the risk is extremely low to this kind of thing. There is nothing to say this has changed. 4 cases of something yet unexplained is still very small relative to amount of other births.

    I'd say wait and see and no reason to panic.

    equally I wouldn't dismiss what a coroner is saying but even if true may be extremely rare.


  • Registered Users Posts: 199 ✭✭Maestro85


    Genuine question but do you know is there any difference in behaviour in winter versus behaviour in summer regarding socialising?
    People have booked trips away assuming they will be allowed to do so, what will be open to entertain them is another matter.


    I don't mean for this to sound flippant but it's outside my area of expertise. It may have no effect, I am just surprised the media is on its usual news grind about this stuff.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Maestro85 wrote: »
    I don't mean for this to sound flippant but it's outside my area of expertise. It may have no effect, I am just surprised the media is on its usual news grind about this stuff.

    In winter time due to weather, normally wet and cold people tend to meet up inside. Due to the cold etc windows normally closed. Whereas in summer mild to good weather people spend more time outside meeting others and even when inside windows tend to be open.
    At Christmas people were given 3 weeks to meet friends and family , many were responsible although equally many weren't. Hopefully government and Nphet will realise come summer giving people a short window to socialise with friends/ family was a f**king disaster. Lastly I expect come July/August we will be significantly down the road of vaccination with some hope of normal life on the near horizon.
    Don't worry though the media will find something to scare the sh!te out of people with. Some prime examples mentioned here today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    The advice has been fairly clear that the risk is extremely low to this kind of thing. There is nothing to say this has changed. 4 cases of something yet unexplained is still very small relative to amount of other births.

    I'd say wait and see and no reason to panic.

    equally I wouldn't dismiss what a coroner is saying but even if true may be extremely rare.

    I might be accused of scaremongering here but I'm not a medical expert. If someone is pregnant and gets an illness they should consider checking in with their obstetrician.

    Id say the same about if someone has covid. Check in with your specialist. You don't have to rush to do it but mention it at an appointment and ask them if there's a risk you should be concerned about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,196 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Watching the news here and this has not been confirmed.

    Placentitis was the cause .
    My post contains more than one line which you took out if context , but glad you watched the news anyway .
    Better to know about a risk and be aware that there is one so you know what to watch out for .
    Think everyone has stated it is rare , but if people didn't find out there might be even the smallest risk until it was too late , can you imagine the outcry ?
    My sympathies are not with the poor posters here who are getting distressed over George Lee and Glynn and the students in NUIG , but those four women tonight . :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,723 ✭✭✭seenitall


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Yes but the implication is in that post was all HCW infection which is astoundingly stupid.
    As a HCW I will not accept FB like posts and anecdotes that undermine all the good work done in our hospitals.
    Every effort is made to prevent transmission but it was very difficult to prevent when community transmission was so high.
    Anywhere you get breakouts one of the questions people should be asking is could this be prevented by reducing those infected in the first place.
    Impossible in a hospital environment.

    Lol, will you look at that arrogance, you won’t accept it?! :D

    Whether you accept it or not, hospitals have been swarming with it, due to in part the negligence of HCWs. I know because I was there, got the T-shirt and am still angry with the carry-on I saw, almost a year later. You can find my post of 8th April 2020 and read all about it. I’ll summarise for you here, just because your post just there really annoyed me.

    Early April, I went in to a major hospital for an essential work assignment. Never offered any measures or protections, fine. HCWs all around me huddling together without a care in the world, uh. :rolleyes: ok... Informed that a suspected case is in attendance, ok. Then, a nurse comes up to me, no mask, no visor, nothing, and, in order to pass an information?, she comes right up to my face, and breathes all over it! Stunning stuff, and stunned I was. Just did my job like a robot and went home. Three days later, of course, feeling activity in the lymph nodes. Fourth day, wake up with a very sore throat and wiped out, and stay like that for a week. Self-isolate for two weeks. No testing possible, as one has to have two major symptoms to be tested at that point. Were I not so healthy in the first place, it could have been much worse. But HWCs for the win! And never let there be said anything contradicting that! /s


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,196 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I might be accused of scaremongering here but I'm not a medical expert. If someone is pregnant and gets an illness they should consider checking in with their obstetrician.

    Id say the same about if someone has covid. Check in with your specialist. You don't have to rush to do it but mention it at an appointment and ask them if there's a risk you should be concerned about.

    Agree with all except if Covid positive or if suspected should let obstetrician know.
    It is a virus causing inflammation which can cause clots or haemorrhagic conditions .
    Any infection in pregnancy needs to be treated / monitored straight away.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    I might be accused of scaremongering here but I'm not a medical expert. If someone is pregnant and gets an illness they should consider checking in with their obstetrician.

    Id say the same about if someone has covid. Check in with your specialist. You don't have to rush to do it but mention it at an appointment and ask them if there's a risk you should be concerned about.

    Sorry to be clear.

    The wait and see was in reference to any report.

    Absolutely check in. Very little cost doing that even if nothing 👍


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,063 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Nermal wrote: »
    NPHET don't have 'suspicions', they have four partial anecdotes.

    Using them to frighten the public - in the face of mountains of actual data suggesting pregnant women don't have anything to worry about - is reprehensible.

    You can post that in the Conspiracy theory forum

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    https://www.buzz.ie/news/dublin-airport-record-10-increase-in-the-number-of-passengers-arriving-last-week-420628

    Between February 22 and 28, 11,067 people arrived in the country -

    "Of those arriving home, a report has shown the majority of them were returning home from a holiday abroad"

    :) Us plebs sticking to the rules really are being laughed at....


  • Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.buzz.ie/news/dublin-airport-record-10-increase-in-the-number-of-passengers-arriving-last-week-420628

    Between February 22 and 28, 11,067 people arrived in the country -

    "Of those arriving home, a report has shown the majority of them were returning home from a holiday abroad"

    :) Us plebs sticking to the rules really are being laughed at....

    Mandatory hotel quarantine, wha? One cannot travel more than 5km without a legitimate reason, meanwhile holidaymakers fly thousands of kilometers. Risking introduction of stubborn new variants that are difficult to shift and prolonging lockdown. Chapeau Donnelly, bravo Leo and applause for Michéal. Nodding donkeys one and all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Yeah I hope the quarantined and if they didn't they should be punished to high fukc. It's that serious at this stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 427 (down from 472 last night)
    ICU 103 (down from 108 last night)

    Last Thursday
    Total 585
    ICU 140


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,043 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 427 (down from 472 last night)
    ICU 103 (down from 108 last night)

    Last Thursday
    Total 585
    ICU 140

    That's some change in hospital figures

    Fantastic to see


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 427 (down from 472 last night)
    ICU 103 (down from 108 last night)

    Last Thursday
    Total 585
    ICU 140

    That’s an enormous drop. We could potentially see sub 400 in hospital tomorrow before the weekend and sub 100 in ICU.

    We were told that hospital numbers were a key metric for relaxing restrictions. This is definitely helping.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,718 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    marno21 wrote: »
    That’s an enormous drop. We could potentially see sub 400 in hospital tomorrow before the weekend and sub 100 in ICU.

    We were told that hospital numbers were a key metric for relaxing restrictions. This is definitely helping.

    Don't worry,the goal posts will be shifted with regards that metric,they will be really concerned about some variant,the amount of traffic on roads or the high volume of ATM transactions in Carrick On Shannon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,043 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    marno21 wrote: »
    That’s an enormous drop. We could potentially see sub 400 in hospital tomorrow before the weekend and sub 100 in ICU.

    We were told that hospital numbers were a key metric for relaxing restrictions. This is definitely helping.

    Yes that certainly will help

    ICU could still be over 50 by Easter as it's slower to move

    Hopefully cases will keep decreasing

    One thing that apparently will be used which nobody in the general public can do anything about is the progress with the vaccination program

    With the supply issues very hard to see us being on schedule by Easter


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Don't worry,the goal posts will be shifted with regards that metric,they will be really concerned about some variant,the amount of traffic on roads or the high volume of ATM transactions in Carrick On Shannon

    Schools.

    The media will lap up cases in schools as some massive event and the public will swallow it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    marno21 wrote: »
    That’s an enormous drop. We could potentially see sub 400 in hospital tomorrow before the weekend and sub 100 in ICU.

    We were told that hospital numbers were a key metric for relaxing restrictions. This is definitely helping.
    386 in hospital when level 5 restrictions was eased May last year, we might get close to that figure tomorrow evening.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    That's some change in hospital figures

    Fantastic to see




    6 counties down from 382 Covid to 257 in the week.

    Still quite a few pro rate.



    I hope the staff there get a few days off.


  • Registered Users Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Natterjack from Kerry


    Don't worry,the goal posts will be shifted with regards that metric,they will be really concerned about some variant,the amount of traffic on roads or the high volume of ATM transactions in Carrick On Shannon

    Seriously though, are we not coming to a period of highest risk now as vaccinations increase ?

    Surely the most dangerous period - for those not vaccinated - is now imminent.

    Maybe I am missing something, but should this not be the year of highest restrictions of all ? No travel, no holidays, no restaurants, etc ? At ALL.

    As the numbers of vaccinated increase, we will lose a strong natural restraint on spread of the virus : people being noticeably sick. And so more people will be circulating, dropping their habits of the last year, some either unwittingly thinking they are no danger to the unvaccinated, others, confident that they are safe from serious illness, not caring. So the chance of being infected with the virus will increase dramatically through this year. No great problem if you are vaccinated. But a dramatically more dangerous time for anyone who is not.

    (Cyprus saying OK to travel from Britain this summer if you are fully vaccinated - how the hell does that protect anyone in Cyprus, or travelling with them who isnt vaccinated???)


    Should 2021 not be a 9 month complete shutdown like last April until everyone is vaccinated ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭Batattackrat


    Seriously though, are we not coming to a period of highest risk now as vaccinations increase ?

    Surely the most dangerous period - for those not vaccinated - is now imminent.

    Maybe I am missing something, but should this not be the year of highest restrictions of all ? No travel, no holidays, no restaurants, etc ? At ALL.

    As the numbers of vaccinated increase, we will lose a strong natural restraint on spread of the virus : people being noticeably sick. And so more people will be circulating, dropping their habits of the last year, some either unwittingly thinking they are no danger to the unvaccinated, others, confident that they are safe from serious illness, not caring. So the chance of being infected with the virus will increase dramatically through this year. No great problem if you are vaccinated. But a dramatically more dangerous time for anyone who is not.

    (Cyprus saying OK to travel from Britain this summer if you are fully vaccinated - how the hell does that protect anyone in Cyprus, or travelling with them who isnt vaccinated???)


    Should 2021 not be a 9 month complete shutdown like last April until everyone is vaccinated ?

    No, as it's generally harmless to people under 70. In the 2017/2018 year 4000 were hospitalised with the flu with 170 in ICU.

    Once the over 70's are vacinated it's time to open up, maybe as far as Level 2 restrictions and see how that goes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,043 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    9 months of complete shutdown like last April until everyone is vaccinated ....

    Not going to happen lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Don't worry,the goal posts will be shifted with regards that metric,they will be really concerned about some variant,the amount of traffic on roads or the high volume of ATM transactions in Carrick On Shannon

    What have you been hearing about ATM transactions in Carrick on Shannon?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    No, as it's generally harmless to people under 70. In the 2017/2018 year 4000 were hospitalised with the flu with 170 in ICU.

    Once the over 70's are vacinated it's time to open up.

    Almost 70% of all hospitisations and ICU cases with COVID were under 70. Opening up with just over 70s vaccinated would be most unwise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,043 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Almost 70% of all hospitisations and ICU cases with COVID were under 70. Opening up with just over 70s vaccinated would be most unwise.

    It won't be a full opening up but all over 70s are meant to be vaccinated by mid may

    That's already 5 months + of level 5 type restrictions

    We're unlikely to even see non essential retail open at that stage

    One thing for sure once 70+ have been vaccinated the pressure to ease restrictions on the rest of society will increase especially as that will really decrease deaths and looking likely transmission in the most vulnerable groups


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,914 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    No, as it's generally harmless to people under 70. In the 2017/2018 year 4000 were hospitalised with the flu with 170 in ICU.

    Once the over 70's are vacinated it's time to open up, maybe as far as Level 2 restrictions and see how that goes.
    Turtwig wrote: »
    Almost 70% of all hospitisations and ICU cases with COVID were under 70. Opening up with just over 70s vaccinated would be most unwise.

    To put it into context: 70% of 12914 = 9039 hospitalized
    70% of 1296 = 907 went to ICU
    I'm not 100% sure on the percentages, but it's up there around 70% over the past 12 months.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Well, at least the tracking here seems reasonably impressive, even if the 440 cases stemming from one houseparty aren't..
    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0304/1201042-hse-household-outbreaks-coronavirus/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,720 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Well, at least the tracking here seems reasonably impressive, even if the 440 cases stemming from one houseparty aren't..
    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0304/1201042-hse-household-outbreaks-coronavirus/

    This is such nonsense. They can choose any point in the chain of transmission to say X number of cases came from it. Why not the person who gave it to the person who went to the house party? Etc.

    If you're willing to stretch the 'root' of a case that far back, you can apportion blame wherever you want.

    Its all agenda driven.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    AdamD wrote: »
    This is such nonsense. They can choose any point in the chain of transmission to say X number of cases came from it. Why not the person who gave it to the person who went to the house party? Etc.

    If you're willing to stretch the 'root' of a case that far back, you can apportion blame wherever you want.

    Its all agenda driven.

    Agenda driven by whom?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,720 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Agenda driven by whom?

    Is it a coincidence we're seeing this report several days after the outdoor student party in UL? Its open season on students, stick the knife in.

    Have you seen any reports tracking cases to this extent after a hospital based cluster? Of course not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    AdamD wrote: »
    This is such nonsense. They can choose any point in the chain of transmission to say X number of cases came from it. Why not the person who gave it to the person who went to the house party? Etc.

    If you're willing to stretch the 'root' of a case that far back, you can apportion blame wherever you want.

    Its all agenda driven.

    House party in Wuhan leads to 115 million cases


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    AdamD wrote: »
    Is it a coincidence we're seeing this report several days after the outdoor student party in UL? Its open season on students, stick the knife in.

    Have you seen any reports tracking cases to this extent after a hospital based cluster? Of course not.

    Who is driving the agenda?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,810 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Agenda driven by whom?

    b16348fcbd4146ed78429b0f8a89e804_250x199.jpg


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    AdamD wrote: »
    Is it a coincidence we're seeing this report several days after the outdoor student party in UL? Its open season on students, stick the knife in.

    Have you seen any reports tracking cases to this extent after a hospital based cluster? Of course not.
    The airport's are supposedly dealt with it was only a matter of time before another scapegoat had to be found. Deflection more than agenda to take away from the failings of government and its agencies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Who is driving the agenda?

    RTE. They have shown a clear penchant for fearmongering and an overwhelmingly negative bias in their reporting on COVID since at least the middle of last summer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    b16348fcbd4146ed78429b0f8a89e804_250x199.jpg

    Which one is George Lee?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,298 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Which one is George Lee?

    The one at the back with his badge obscured so he can change his rhetoric when he gets bored.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    The one at the back with his badge obscured so he can change his rhetoric when he gets bored.

    He lost weight, looks good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Group of girls wandering along the main road chatting loudly just now, neighbouring house of guys just yelled out at them to come in for a drink, and they did!


    I'm sure a lot of students are suffering quietly through the pandemic, but some of them just don't give a f*ck, and are having a great time of it - don't have to go to class, exams even more difficult to fail than usual, free PUP money, and very difficult for landlords to inspect houses or evict anyone..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,298 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Group of girls wandering along the main road chatting loudly just now, neighbouring house of guys just yelled out at them to come in for a drink, and they did!


    I'm sure a lot of students are suffering quietly through the pandemic, but some of them just don't give a f*ck, and are having a great time of it - don't have to go to class, exams even more difficult to fail than usual, free PUP money, and very difficult for landlords to inspect houses or evict anyone..

    Were you not invited?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Group of girls wandering along the main road chatting loudly just now, neighbouring house of guys just yelled out at them to come in for a drink, and they did!


    I'm sure a lot of students are suffering quietly through the pandemic, but some of them just don't give a f*ck, and are having a great time of it - don't have to go to class, exams even more difficult to fail than usual, free PUP money, and very difficult for landlords to inspect houses or evict anyone..

    Another installment of things that didn't happen.......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Were you not invited?
    I was not :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Another installment of things that didn't happen.......
    It did. But I'll take it from your assertion that it didn't, rather than defending it, that you agree it's indicative of at least some student behaviour being problematic.


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