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General sheep thread

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  • #152
    IH784man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 740 ✭✭✭IH784man


    mcgiggles wrote: »
    Had a ewe do the same when we were dosing them. Nothing from her since but keeping watch on her. Anything with your one since? could it have been the start of the waterbag?

    She put a dead lamb out the following morning,sold her that evening


  • #153
    charolais0153
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    orm0nd wrote: »
    they're about 300

    there's a pic of ours over the "new beginnings" feb picture thread

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102607677&postcount=6

    most we ever had on it was 20, ok when they're small we put some of the bigger ones on buckets to make way for babies

    Only want one for ten to fifteen ish hopefully. Do they get used to easily? And is just your normal milk replacer like shine or lamlac


  • #154
    ganmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    Have a pair of ewes here with one eye each(both lost from crows) but one of them seems to be goin blind in the other eye :(


  • #155
    Lambman
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    ganmo wrote: »
    Have a pair of ewes here with one eye each(both lost from crows) but one of them seems to be goin blind in the other eye :(
    Did they go on there back ganmo or how'd they lose the eye in the first place? Heard overdosing can leave ewes blind sometimes permanently never seen it here all the same.


  • #156
    ganmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    i cant rightly remember they must of been.
    it happened to both of them when they were young ewes and they're the oldest ewes so kinda expecting them to be on the downslope


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  • #157
    Lambman
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    ganmo wrote: »
    i cant rightly remember they must of been.
    it happened to both of them when they were young ewes and they're the oldest ewes so kinda expecting them to be on the downslope
    Do u mind me asking what time off year you shear the ewes? Do u think that's the reason they went on there back not being sheared and in too good off order?


  • #158
    ganmo
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    Lambman wrote: »
    Do u mind me asking what time off year you shear the ewes? Do u think that's the reason they went on there back not being sheared and in too good off order?

    summer, june normally
    they're cheviots so their back wouldnt be hugely broad but they still manage it the odd time


  • #159
    Ard_MC
    Registered Users Posts: 516 ✭✭✭Ard_MC


    Lambman wrote: »
    Did they go on there back ganmo or how'd they lose the eye in the first place? Heard overdosing can leave ewes blind sometimes permanently never seen it here all the same.

    Over dosin with flukiver i heard is meant cause blindness. True or not i don't know!


  • #160
    tom_k
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    Ard_MC wrote: »
    Over dosin with flukiver i heard is meant cause blindness. True or not i don't know!

    True. There have been studies done on the toxicity of closantel, the active ingredient. However, the quantities required for causing blindness seem to be on the high side, with younger sheep more affected. Certain breeds of course could be more susceptible than others.

    The quoted study took place in Uruguay of all places.
    Abstract

    An outbreak of Closantel intoxication in sheep in Uruguay is described. The outbreak occurred in a group of 1300 weaning lambs treated orally with a 10% solution of Closantel. One hundred forty eight lambs showed clinical signs of intoxication and 14 died. The clinical signs included mydriasis, nystagmus, and negative pupillary reflex, bilateral blindness, bump into objects, and lateral movement of the head. No macroscopic lesions were observed. The histological lesions of the retina were cytoplasmic vacuolization in ganglion cells and in cells of the inner and outer nuclear layers with different degrees of atrophy. Vacuolization and axonal degeneration were observed in the optic nerve, with multifocal areas of fibrosis and infiltration by lymphocytes and Gitter cells. To reproduce the intoxication, four sheep were given two, four and 10 times the therapeutic dose of Closantel (0.1g/kg of BW). Only the animals receiving 10 times the recommended dose showed clinical signs. The histological examination of the lesions in experimental sheep showed similar results to those described in the accidental outbreak, except for the absence of optic nerve fibrosis and inflammation, characterizing an acute phase. Axonal myelin sheaths loss, fibroblasts and collagen fibers were observed in the ultrastructural study of the optic nerve of accidental intoxicated animals. The optic nerve of experimentally intoxicated animals had vacuoles that separated the myelin sheaths of axons. To prevent outbreaks it is suggested to weigh the animals before Closantel administration to avoid errors in dose calculation.

    http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0100-736X2015000700599


  • #161
    roosky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭roosky


    feeding ewes hay in a ring feeder indoors and they are wasting a huge amount of it, any advice, i am working off farm so trying to avoid forking it daily


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  • #162
    Oldira
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    I am feeding about 40 in-lamb ewes outside ( I have the triplet bearing ones seperated/ My problem is that the sheep are feckers. They have nearly knocke me over a few times and some of them jump up to try and get at bag or bucket. Then they go beserk when I am trying to put meal in the troughs even with the result some gets spilt etc. Are my sheep just wild or is their any practical solution?.


  • #163
    roosky
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    Oldira wrote: »
    I am feeding about 40 in-lamb ewes outside ( I have the triplet bearing ones seperated/ My problem is that the sheep are feckers. They have nearly knocke me over a few times and some of them jump up to try and get at bag or bucket. Then they go beserk when I am trying to put meal in the troughs even with the result some gets spilt etc. Are my sheep just wild or is their any practical solution?.

    very same trouble here, i ended up locking ewes away from troughs filling them and then letting the ewes out to feed


  • #164
    mcgiggles
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    we've found the exact same, ewes are wild for meal/ nuts! Ours are fed in the field with no place to lock them away haven't stopped to think how we could make it easier.. maybe fence around the troughs and fill them and open the gate into the "feeding area"?..


  • #165
    rangler1
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    mcgiggles wrote: »
    we've found the exact same, ewes are wild for meal/ nuts! Ours are fed in the field with no place to lock them away haven't stopped to think how we could make it easier.. maybe fence around the troughs and fill them and open the gate into the "feeding area"?..

    some people use ewe nuts and put them in little piles in the field, far enough apart to ensure that they're not standing on one pile when they are eating at another


  • #166
    Dylan collins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 53 ✭✭Dylan collins


    yes there i have a ewe with a bad limp she is due to be lambing in april. i clipped her feet last sunday and sprayed it with a anti foot root spray does anyone have any suggestions what to do with her


  • #167
    rangler1
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    Dylan collins wrote: »
    yes there i have a ewe with a bad limp she is due to be lambing in april. i clipped her feet last sunday and sprayed it with a anti foot root spray does anyone have any suggestions what to do with her

    tetracycline injection if her foot is infected.....or it a hurt


  • #168
    JMF240
    Registered Users Posts: 41 ✭JMF240


    rangler1 wrote: »
    Dylan collins wrote: »
    yes there i have a ewe with a bad limp she is due to be lambing in april. i clipped her feet last sunday and sprayed it with a anti foot root spray does anyone have any suggestions what to do with her

    tetracycline injection if her foot is infected.....or it a hurt
    On a side note, which oxytet do you find most effective? Alamycin LA is mainly used here however I was at a talk recently and the vet recommended engemycin. I can't say I ever used it though.


  • #169
    IH784man
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    We use alamaycin here seems to work most times


  • #170
    rangler1
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    JMF240 wrote: »
    On a side note, which oxytet do you find most effective? Alamycin LA is mainly used here however I was at a talk recently and the vet recommended engemycin. I can't say I ever used it though.

    Oxytetracycline is the active ingredient in both Alamycin and Engemycin,
    We're using Engemycin at the moment ourselves for lameness and after a hard lambing, Engemycin doesn't seem to hurt the ewes as much as Alamycin, it must be a hard injection to take


  • #171
    greysides
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    The difference between oxytetracycline antibiotics is due to some of the other components in the mix. Cheaper versions don't cope with the irritancy as well as ones that use better components but which then cost more.
    I refuse to use some of the cheapest products as you're trying to cure an animal not add to its misery.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

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  • #172
    rangler1
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    greysides wrote: »
    The difference between oxytetracycline antibiotics is due to some of the other components in the mix. Cheaper versions don't cope with the irritancy as well as ones that use better components but which then cost more.
    I refuse to use some of the cheapest products as you're trying to cure an animal not add to its misery.

    My thoughts too, used to be concerned as to what i was doing to the ewe , she'd definitely be in pain walking off after injecting and then started using engemycin.....much easier on them, but dearer


  • #173
    IH784man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 740 ✭✭✭IH784man


    If alamaycin is €8 a bottle how much is engemycin


  • #174
    rangler1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭rangler1


    IH784man wrote: »
    If alamaycin is €8 a bottle how much is engemycin

    Is that LA 200, sounds a good price, enge is probably double that


  • #175
    Bullocks
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    Would ye be able to tell me a couple of measurements for a sheep feeding gate ?
    I want to replace a cattle feed barrier just for when theyre lambing .
    I would be thankful for the height of the bottom timber and height over that , that they feed out through
    Thanks in advance


  • #176
    rangler1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭rangler1


    Bullocks wrote: »
    Would ye be able to tell me a couple of measurements for a sheep feeding gate ?
    I want to replace a cattle feed barrier just for when theyre lambing .
    I would be thankful for the height of the bottom timber and height over that , that they feed out through
    Thanks in advance

    I have Cormac barriers
    The bottom board is 12 inches and the gap is 11 inches for adult ewes and 9 inches for ewe lambs. You need a trough for ewe lambs as they cant reach the ground over the 12 inch board


  • #177
    razor8
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    10" board is a better job imo, even ewes can't reach out very far over a 12" board for eating meal or silage


  • #178
    rangler1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭rangler1


    razor8 wrote: »
    10" board is a better job imo, even ewes can't reach out very far over a 12" board for eating meal or silage

    I used to think that myself and told that to a neighbour that came to measure mine one day, He told me after he had to rise it to 12in ....so it's hard to know, I suppose it's easier to rise it than lower it.


  • #179
    White Clover
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    Lads, bought a few sheep 2 weeks ago. It's about 20 years since we last had em. Anyway, housed them today onto straw and they're scratching like mad, what's the issue here?
    Advice appreciated.


  • #180
    razor8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭razor8


    rangler1 wrote: »
    I used to think that myself and told that to a neighbour that came to measure mine one day, He told me after he had to rise it to 12in ....so it's hard to know, I suppose it's easier to rise it than lower it.

    Why did he say 10" was too low?


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  • #181
    rangler1
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    razor8 wrote: »
    Why did he say 10" was too low?

    Top bar was too low and when he lifted the top bar, they started squeezing out between them, 12 inches is very high, but cormac makes a lot of barriers....rise the feeding passage I suppose is the answer


  • #182
    rangler1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭rangler1


    White Clover wrote: »
    Lads, bought a few sheep 2 weeks ago. It's about 20 years since we last had em. Anyway, housed them today onto straw and they're scratching like mad, what's the issue here?
    Advice appreciated.

    were they damp, sometimes that irritates them when they go in to a shed, otherwise you may go for something like Ivomec


  • #183
    White Clover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭White Clover


    rangler1 wrote: »
    were they damp, sometimes that irritates them when they go in to a shed, otherwise you may go for something like Ivomec

    Yeah they were damp, hard to avoid that the last week! Will see again in the morning, we'll know then if it's anything more sinister. Thanks Rangler.


  • #184
    Farrell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    Bought a CH ram for the Ewe lambs, going by the crayons he had an immediate impact & nothing seamed to repeat.
    First should be lambing at end of month, stuck the hand under a few at the trough with no obvious sign.
    Was he firing blanks?


  • #185
    charolais0153
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    Farrell wrote: »
    Bought a CH ram for the Ewe lambs, going by the crayons he had an immediate impact & nothing seamed to repeat.
    First should be lambing at end of month, stuck the hand under a few at the trough with no obvious sign.
    Was he firing blanks?

    We had ewe lb a few days ago and lambed out of the blue...wasn't really expecting her. If they're still a month away I wouldn't get worried


  • #186
    Farrell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    charolais0153 wrote: »
    We had ewe lb a few days ago and lambed out of the blue...wasn't really expecting her. If they're still a month away I wouldn't get worried
    Hopefully
    Had a few (best) which got spoiled by a pet, they were showing sign well in advance


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  • #187
    Dylan collins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 53 ✭✭Dylan collins


    lads does anyone think there is a future in farming full time for the next genaration


  • #188
    DJ98
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    Dylan collins wrote: »
    lads does anyone think there is a future in farming full time for the next genaration

    Perhaps if you have alot of land and alot of stock, a small scale man/woman could not possibly farm full time


  • #189
    Farrell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    DJ98 wrote: »
    Perhaps if you have alot of land and alot of stock, a small scale man/woman could not possibly farm full time

    Don't know if scale would cut it, you could be a busy fool.
    My view is current system has static income with increasing overheads & additional people wanting a part of your share with latest must haves or made do's.
    The current system is a race to the bottom which is putting off the next generation which only suits being a hobby.
    I think things will improve but what have we to endure before then...


  • #190
    Username John
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,237 ✭✭✭Username John


    Dylan collins wrote: »
    lads does anyone think there is a future in farming full time for the next genaration

    Have you not asked this question before in various threads Dylan?

    What is your current system, and what are your own plans for the future?


  • #191
    Bullocks
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    Bullocks wrote: »
    Would ye be able to tell me a couple of measurements for a sheep feeding gate ?
    I want to replace a cattle feed barrier just for when theyre lambing .
    I would be thankful for the height of the bottom timber and height over that , that they feed out through
    Thanks in advance

    Made a start today, hang it hopefully tomorrow evening. Thanks lads


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  • #192
    MD1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭MD1983


    Lads

    I am looking for a factory to bring my lambs too, always brought them to Kildare but if i always bring them there the buyer will know that, i would like to bring them somewhere else from time to time so that the next time he price chips me I dont have to take it. I realise i might not get anything more elsewhere and that doesnt bother me too much.

    Based in south kildare, happy to drive for maybe an hour. Store lambs, mainly horny ram lambs with the odd suffolk or texel or cross bred lamb.

    Also could you let me know what the other factories are like to deal with.

    cheers

    MD


  • #193
    stantheman1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭stantheman1979


    You could bring them to ICM camolin.


  • #194
    connolly18
    Registered Users Posts: 40 ✭connolly18


    is thriver any good and what is the best thriver to get


  • #195
    kk.man
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    MD1983 wrote: »
    Lads

    I am looking for a factory to bring my lambs too, always brought them to Kildare but if i always bring them there the buyer will know that, i would like to bring them somewhere else from time to time so that the next time he price chips me I dont have to take it. I realise i might not get anything more elsewhere and that doesnt bother me too much.

    Based in south kildare, happy to drive for maybe an hour. Store lambs, mainly horny ram lambs with the odd suffolk or texel or cross bred lamb.

    Also could you let me know what the other factories are like to deal with.

    cheers

    MD

    Ballon Meats...they are ok but don't pay QA even though they only accept QA...Usually follow Moyvalley on price


  • #196
    Jack180570
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 349 ✭✭Jack180570


    White Clover wrote: »
    Lads, bought a few sheep 2 weeks ago. It's about 20 years since we last had em. Anyway, housed them today onto straw and they're scratching like mad, what's the issue here?
    Advice appreciated.

    Could it be biting lice? I have hoggets housed for a couple of months now and they were acting strange, kicking and jerking and lying down and getting up and generally irritated. Anyhow vet said biting lice and suggested dectomax. Another farmer friend suggested Ectofly.


  • #197
    White Clover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭White Clover


    Jack180570 wrote: »
    Could it be biting lice? I have hoggets housed for a couple of months now and they were acting strange, kicking and jerking and lying down and getting up and generally irritated. Anyhow vet said biting lice and suggested dectomax. Another farmer friend suggested Ectofly.

    Twas as rangler said above Jack.... They were damp going in. Very content and settled now.
    Thanks anyway!


  • #198
    razor8
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    Jack180570 wrote: »
    Could it be biting lice? I have hoggets housed for a couple of months now and they were acting strange, kicking and jerking and lying down and getting up and generally irritated. Anyhow vet said biting lice and suggested dectomax. Another farmer friend suggested Ectofly.

    Seen a few kicking and jerking the same as if the had maggots, think it's the milder weather


  • #199
    Username John
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    razor8 wrote: »
    Seen a few kicking and jerking the same as if the had maggots, think it's the milder weather

    Seen a few of mine at that today as well... up and run bout and then settle, and lie down... was a savage day so there was a bit of 'taspaí' on em too...


  • #200
    IH784man
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    Have a ewe with twins with one big bottle tit and the other normal sized,lambs are doing well and not hungry,will she have to be milked or what's the story with this?


  • #201
    Username John
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,237 ✭✭✭Username John


    IH784man wrote: »
    Have a ewe with twins with one big bottle tit and the other normal sized,lambs are doing well and not hungry,will she have to be milked or what's the story with this?

    Check to make sure they're sucking from that side...

    I would say if the lambs are doing ok, and they are sucking from both sides, you should be grand...

    Not sure I'd keep lambs from her.


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