My â‚¬100m BEAM scheme

High bike · 14-09-2019 1:16pm

jntsnk wrote: »

It just goes to show how disconnected they are with farmers.

and 40e per sucker cow , what a ****ing joke of a scheme

Coolfresian · 14-09-2019 1:17pm

wrangler wrote: »

IFA are looking for €1bn now so it can be extended, that's he reason they were pushing farmers to apply for BEAM.

Any chance they d extend it to us beef finishers that also milk cows? I'd gladly reduce 5 or even double it to 10% nitrates reduction if they d allow me to apply.

If the beam scheme is undersubscribed it reflects very poorly on the icsa and the farm organisations that sought to exclude beef finishers that also have a dairy herd.

coolshannagh28 · 14-09-2019 1:19pm

jntsnk wrote: »

It just goes to show how disconnected they are with farmers.

This is a deliberate policy to force farmers off the land.

wrangler · 14-09-2019 1:29pm

High bike wrote: »
and 40e per sucker cow , what a ****ing joke of a scheme

Going by Adam Woods of IFJ weanlings are doing alright, probably didn't need a top up

Heavier calves in the 400kg to 500kg bracket are harder to shift.

These calves would have been traditionally scooped up by specialist bull finishers, but the appetite for these heavier calves has dampened a little.

The general run of good-quality bulls in the 300kg to 350kg bracket was €2.50/kg to €2.80/kg.

Lesser-quality lots were back at €2.40/kg.

Heavier bulls in the 400kg to 500kg bracket were back at €2.00/kg to €2.20/kg.

Limestone Cowboy · 14-09-2019 2:27pm

It's not worth it for me anyway. I think the uptake is poor because some fellas think it's like a new quota and 40e a cow isint enough to sway suckler farmers into joining it.

High bike · 14-09-2019 6:56pm

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

It's not worth it for me anyway. I think the uptake is poor because some fellas think it's like a new quota and 40e a coiw isint enough to sway suckler farmers into joining it.

it's an insult to suckers they'r obviously at the bottom of the pecking order

Bass Reeves · 14-09-2019 9:38pm

wrangler wrote: »

Going by Adam Woods of IFJ weanlings are doing alright, probably didn't need a top up

Heavier calves in the 400kg to 500kg bracket are harder to shift.

These calves would have been traditionally scooped up by specialist bull finishers, but the appetite for these heavier calves has dampened a little.

The general run of good-quality bulls in the 300kg to 350kg bracket was €2.50/kg to €2.80/kg.

Lesser-quality lots were back at €2.40/kg.

Heavier bulls in the 400kg to 500kg bracket were back at €2.00/kg to €2.20/kg.

Friesians weanling at 1.1/kg no amount of AA or HE weanlings yet neither any sign of runners

Sugarbowl · 14-09-2019 9:40pm

Closing date is tomorrow night right? Not midnight tonight?

wrangler · 14-09-2019 9:44pm

You'll see them there five or six posts down after the Skidoo report.

https://twitter.com/ajwwoods?lang=en

Hurling Hereford · 15-09-2019 2:53pm

T & Cs of the Beef Exceptional Aid Measure (BEAM), Farmers are asked if they are a member of the Bord Bia Sustainable Beef and Lamb Assurance Scheme (SBLAS).

If they answer NO (N), a new check box is displayed providing prospective applicants with the option to commit to becoming a member of Bord Bia Sustainable Beef and Lamb Assurance Scheme prior to 01-Dec-2019.

Farmers must answer these before they are allowed to submit their application.

In light of what has transpired over the past few days how do ye now feel about Bord Bia's involvement in this scheme?

High bike · 15-09-2019 3:52pm

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

T & Cs of the Beef Exceptional Aid Measure (BEAM), Farmers are asked if they are a member of the Bord Bia Sustainable Beef and Lamb Assurance Scheme (SBLAS).

If they answer NO (N), a new check box is displayed providing prospective applicants with the option to commit to becoming a member of Bord Bia Sustainable Beef and Lamb Assurance Scheme prior to 01-Dec-2019.

Farmers must answer these before they are allowed to submit their application.

In light of what has transpired over the past few days how do ye now feel about Bord Bia's involvement in this scheme?

would really fill u with confidence

SuperTortoise · 15-09-2019 8:25pm

Bord Bia = More jobs for the boys.

Lime Tree Farm · 16-09-2019 9:28pm

Last chance saloon - Dept of Agri Tent - National Ploughing.

The Department offices in Portlaoise, Co. Laois will also have a team available to meet with farmers every day from now until the BEAM closing date.

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/beef/minister-creed-announces-reopening-of-beam-application-facility-38501933.html

High bike · 16-09-2019 9:37pm

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

Last chance saloon - Dept of Agri Tent - National Ploughing.

The Department offices in Portlaoise, Co. Laois will also have a team available to meet with farmers every day from now until the BEAM closing date.

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/beef/minister-creed-announces-reopening-of-beam-application-facility-38501933.html

creed would be better off sorting out mii than trying to push this scheme down people's necks.Itsunder subscribed for a reason .

Dinzee Conlee · 16-09-2019 10:01pm

High bike wrote: »

creed would be better off sorting out mii than trying to push this scheme down people's necks.Itsunder subscribed for a reason .

Why would you not apply though?
Even if it was as others have said, to hedge your bets. You could always pay it back if need took off again, could you not?

High bike · 16-09-2019 10:22pm

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Why would you not apply though?
Even if it was as others have said, to hedge your bets. You could always pay it back if need took off again, could you not?

Because it's another half arsed effort to shut people up, if they put a proper scheme on the, table to reduce nitrates and no's I'd gladly take it but not that ****e

Dinzee Conlee · 17-09-2019 8:21pm

High bike wrote: »

Because it's another half arsed effort to shut people up, if they put a proper scheme on the, table to reduce nitrates and no's I'd gladly take it but not that ****e

What would a proper scheme look like?

Danzy · 17-09-2019 8:23pm

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

What would a proper scheme look like?

If it was spent making sure that grading machines were legally compliant, a common standard, enforced as it shoyod be, it would be money well spent and if happily walk away from it.

Dinzee Conlee · 17-09-2019 8:25pm

Danzy wrote: »

If it was spent making sure that grading machines were legally compliant, a common standard, enforced as it shoyod be, it would be money well spent and if happily walk away from it.

That’s not really a scheme to reduce nitrates and numbers, which I think is what high bike referred to?

That’s really just spending money on something you’d like to spend money on Danzy

Danzy · 17-09-2019 8:31pm

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

That’s not really a scheme to reduce nitrates and numbers, which I think is what high bike referred to?

That’s really just spending money on something you’d like to spend money on Danzy

My second choice was something nice for yourself.

In fairness though 8t would just be enforcing legal requirements but in Ireland's beef industry that is a fantasy spend.

kollegeknight · 24-09-2019 4:35pm

If I want to get out of the scheme before payments are made, how do I?

I just barely have enough for the beef genomics scheme. And if anything happened, I’ll have to buy something. So I could be in breach of one or the other.

Bass Reeves · 24-09-2019 4:45pm

kollegeknight wrote: »

If I want to get out of the scheme before payments are made, how do I?

I just barely have enough for the beef genomics scheme. And if anything happened, I’ll have to buy something. So I could be in breach of one or the other.

If you breach the scheme all that will happen is I. 2021 they will take all the BEAM money back. It will have no other implications. If you do not breach the scheme you hold onto the BEAM money. It a case of take the money now and if you have to give it back do if not you win if you give it back you have lost nothing you did not have

Hurling Hereford · 24-09-2019 6:23pm

kollegeknight wrote: »

If I want to get out of the scheme before payments are made, how do I?

I just barely have enough for the beef genomics scheme. And if anything happened, I’ll have to buy something. So I could be in breach of one or the other.

Brother in law quit BEAM yesterday. He emailed beam@agriculture.gov.ie and told them he wanted out

High bike · 24-09-2019 10:15pm

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

Brother in law quit BEAM yesterday. He emailed beam@agriculture.gov.ie and told them he wanted out

did he get a reply, not that it matters he can just carry on and give back the money

Bass Reeves · 25-09-2019 7:56am

High bike wrote: »

did he get a reply, not that it matters he can just carry on and give back the money

Why would you quit it. The max penalty is the same as the sum you get there is only an upside if you manage to qualify even by accident. Too many farmers try to out think themselves.

Hurling Hereford · 25-09-2019 4:25pm

High bike wrote: »

did he get a reply, not that it matters he can just carry on and give back the money

He phoned the day after he sent the email & was told he was out of the scheme

Hurling Hereford · 25-09-2019 4:45pm

High bike wrote: »

70% uptake according to AgriLand today, poor aul Phil is embarrassed by us

70% was a 'bit' high, based on the figure released by the Dept very recently. Wouldn't worry about Hogan too much tbh

Hurling Hereford · 25-09-2019 4:49pm

High bike wrote: »

Because it's another half arsed effort to shut people up, if they put a proper scheme on the, table to reduce nitrates and no's I'd gladly take it but not that ****e

I agree with you. What sort of a scheme would you like to see HB?

Hurling Hereford · 25-09-2019 5:14pm

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/left-over-beam-funds-should-be-given-to-dairy-farmers-icmsa/ Weren't they 'fast out of the traps' now!!!

wrangler · 25-09-2019 5:26pm

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/left-over-beam-funds-should-be-given-to-dairy-farmers-icmsa/ Weren't they 'fast out of the traps' now!!!

they should get it now that it's not wanted by beef farmers, there's still a lot of dairy beef farms
€50m coming into the country has to be an advantage even if the Government has to match it. They'll get their €50 back in taxes. I really don't think the civil service have the cop on to work that out though

Coolfresian · 25-09-2019 6:48pm

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/left-over-beam-funds-should-be-given-to-dairy-farmers-icmsa/ Weren't they 'fast out of the traps' now!!!

And why wouldn't they be?? The 330,000 head of prime cattle finished on dairy farms were used as justification to the EU for funding by the govt. Why should a dairy farmer that finishes Angus, Hereford, limousin etc be excluded??

Cavanjack · 25-09-2019 7:20pm

Why don’t they increase the €100 to €120 and the €40 to €50 to all those those that applied. End of story. And I’d be happy.

Dinzee Conlee · 25-09-2019 8:07pm

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/left-over-beam-funds-should-be-given-to-dairy-farmers-icmsa/ Weren't they 'fast out of the traps' now!!!

I don’t see why they shouldn’t, it was offered to the ‘beef only’ men, and they didn’t want it...

valtra2 · 25-09-2019 10:17pm

Will they ask the dairy men to reduce nitrates if so then no problem

High bike · 25-09-2019 10:23pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

Why don’t they increase the €100 to €120 and the €40 to €50 to all those those that applied. End of story. And I’d be happy.

or better still why don’t they give th suckler man 100e per cow which it should have been in the first place

Bellview · 25-09-2019 11:27pm

High bike wrote: »

or better still why don’t they give th suckler man 100e per cow which it should have been in the first place

suppose there is no chance they will treat beef in the same way as dairy was in the quota days... ie if the country is under quota then no penalties... so if there were 5% less sucklers in the country then regardless of what happen in individual herds there would be no penalty...

Cavanjack · 25-09-2019 11:34pm

High bike wrote: »

or better still why don’t they give th suckler man 100e per cow which it should have been in the first place

Probably because it was the finisher who took the biggest beating last winter and he will pass it back to the suckler man this autumn anyway.

Xcool · 25-09-2019 11:35pm

what about farmers not in quantity assurance or glas scheme ???????

High bike · 26-09-2019 8:55am

Cavanjack wrote: »

Probably because it was the finisher who took the biggest beating last winter and he will pass it back to the suckler man this autumn anyway.

exactly and who will the suckler man pass it to, no one because he’s the man that keeps the cow for 12 mts and the calf for 8/9 mts and gets offered 40e ****ing euro for his trouble .What a ****ing joke any suckler farmer that signed up to that needs his head examined

grassroot1 · 26-09-2019 11:40am

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

I don’t see why they shouldn’t, it was offered to the ‘beef only’ men, and they didn’t want it...

I didnt quailify trust me I do want it

Hard Knocks · 26-09-2019 11:40am

Cavanjack wrote: »

Probably because it was the finisher who took the biggest beating last winter and he will pass it back to the suckler man this autumn anyway.

The only thing the finisher passes back is low prices.
Don’t finishers work off a margin, the poor suckler farmer is nailed straight away :-(

Suckler farmers should be aiming for good U grade 300-350kg to go on the boat

Hard Knocks · 26-09-2019 11:43am

High bike wrote: »

exactly and who will the suckler man pass it to, no one because he’s the man that keeps the cow for 12 mts and the calf for 8/9 mts and gets offered 40e ****ing euro for his trouble .What a ****ing joke any suckler farmer that signed up to that needs his head examined

Agree €40 isn’t much
but with lots reducing or exiting it might help

tanko · 26-09-2019 4:58pm

Xcool wrote: »

what about farmers not in quantity assurance or glas scheme ???????

If you agree to join the Bord Bia QA scheme now or are in the BDGP that will qualify you for the BEAM scheme.
Im not sure if the BEEP scheme qualifies a farmer for BEAM.

Xcool · 26-09-2019 8:56pm

anyone i have meet who are in those schemes say they are a waste of time

50HX · 26-09-2019 10:31pm

High bike wrote: »

exactly and who will the suckler man pass it to, no one because he’s the man that keeps the cow for 12 mts and the calf for 8/9 mts and gets offered 40e ****ing euro for his trouble .What a ****ing joke any suckler farmer that signed up to that needs his head examined

Is not signing up going to increase the payment?

Less is more in the suckler game now I think

Reps,glas, bdgp, beep, beam etc.....keep em coming...won't make it out of selling weanlings anyway

wrangler · 27-09-2019 7:31am

50HX wrote: »

Is not signing up going to increase the payment?

Less is more in the suckler game now I think

Reps,glas, bdgp, beep, beam etc.....keep em coming...won't make it out of selling weanlings anyway

A farmer with off farm employment and maybe getting €20+/hr probably sees it as not worth their while, but they're useful top ups if you're not so lucky.
I can't believe there's relief milkers working for €50 but if you need it it's not to be belittlled, every little helps.

50HX · 27-09-2019 6:24pm

wrangler wrote: »

A farmer with off farm employment and maybe getting €20+/hr probably sees it as not worth their while, but they're useful top ups if you're not so lucky.
I can't believe there's relief milkers working for €50 but if you need it it's not to be belittlled, every little helps.

Would consider them useful top ups regardless of off farm income but I hear what you are saying

wrangler · 27-09-2019 6:49pm

50HX wrote: »

Would consider them useful top ups regardless of off farm income but I hear what you are saying

Better chance of getting money with those schemes than hoping for a price increase on produce

tanko · 19-11-2019 2:30pm

Has anyone successfully appealed a BEAM scheme application where they sent animals to a mart which were bought by a dealer or an agent and killed within 30 days of purchase?

Butcher Boy · 19-11-2019 8:12pm

Heard today from a man in the know that it might not be paid out until next january,

My â‚¬100m BEAM scheme

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