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Homophobic attack on London bus - mod warning, please see OP

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  • #1202
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,644 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Four teens charged over 'homophobic attack' against women on London bus

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-four-teenage-boys-charged-18777562
    The boys, aged between 15 and 17, cannot be named for legal reasons - they have been charged with an aggravated hate crime, according to Met Police


  • #1203
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    ‘Aggravated hate crime’.

    But sure some of the experts in here claimed the boys weren’t even being questioned on those suspicions.


  • #1204
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,644 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Faugheen wrote: »
    ‘Aggravated hate crime’.

    But sure some of the experts in here claimed the boys weren’t even being questioned on those suspicions.

    I'm sure they will be along shortly to tell us how the CPS are wrong.

    I wonder which one will be 1st to mention/whinge that their ethnicity hasn't been mentioned?


  • #1205
    paw patrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    I'm sure they will be along shortly to tell us how the CPS are wrong.

    I wonder which one will be 1st to mention/whinge that their ethnicity hasn't been mentioned?

    they often are so whats your point?


  • #1206
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,644 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    paw patrol wrote: »
    they often are so whats your point?

    Do you think they are wrong in this instance?


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  • #1207
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Four teens charged over 'homophobic attack' against women on London bus

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-four-teenage-boys-charged-18777562
    Very young . London is a Mess with Youth Crime . Stopping ; Stop and Search has been a disaster !:eek:


  • #1208
    RasTa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,116 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    Not sure if this is real as she mentions an Alan Partridge line but police say they are investigating.

    https://twitter.com/YusufJP_/status/1155205178066382851


  • #1209
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,123 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    RasTa wrote: »
    Not sure if this is real as she mentions an Alan Partridge line but police say they are investigating.

    https://twitter.com/YusufJP_/status/1155205178066382851

    London is the most homophobic part of Britain.

    That will continue to escalate.

    Nor will it be challenged, that would be inconvenient.


  • #1210
    Il Fascista
    Closed Accounts Posts: 199 ✭✭Il Fascista


    Danzy wrote: »
    London is the most homophobic part of Britain.

    That will continue to escalate.

    Nor will it be challenged, that would be inconvenient.

    Nonsense. Progressives on here have told me for ages that Muslim's love the gays.


  • #1211
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Il Fascista wrote: »
    Nonsense. Progressives on here have told me for ages that Muslim's love the gays.

    Meanwhile the story this thread related to has nothing to do with Muslims.. It's just ordinary bigots


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  • #1212
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    RasTa wrote: »
    Not sure if this is real as she mentions an Alan Partridge line but police say they are investigating.

    https://twitter.com/YusufJP_/status/1155205178066382851
    A large % of Muslims are Homophobic . The most Homophobic places in Britain are places with high Muslim Populations

    At least the Lady doesn’t hide her beliefs .


  • #1213
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    blinding wrote: »
    A large % of Muslims are Homophobic.

    I'd like a source for this please.


  • #1214
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Faugheen wrote: »
    I'd like a source for this please.
    Douglas Murray ( a damn fine fellow he is )

    A Gay Man himself .

    You’ll get him on youtube .

    A great brain , communicator , respected author .

    Watch some of his videos . They will be very educational for you .


  • #1215
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    blinding wrote: »
    Douglas Murray ( a damn fine fellow he is )

    A Gay Man himself .

    You’ll get him on youtube .

    A great brain , communicator , respected author .

    Watch some of his videos . They will be very educational for you .

    No no, not some conspiracist with an agenda.

    I want cold hard facts that the majority of Muslims are homophobic rather than someone spouting their opinion.

    Have you got any evidence?


  • #1216
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Faugheen wrote: »
    No no, not some conspiracist with an agenda.

    I want cold hard facts that the majority of Muslims are homophobic rather than someone spouting their opinion.

    Have you got any evidence?
    How dare you .

    Douglas Murray is a respected Author , Communicator and Debator .

    He research's his work to the highest level .

    You’ll get him on youtube . It’ll be good for you .


  • #1217
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Faugheen wrote: »
    I'd like a source for this please.

    From a 2015 channel 4 survey (https://www.channel4.com/press/news/c4-survey-and-documentary-reveals-what-british-muslims-really-think):
    52% do not believe that homosexuality should be legal in Britain

    Q: To what extent you agree or disagree with each one: homosexuality should be legal in Britain?

    Net agree 18% (strongly agree 8%, tend to agree 10%)

    Net disagree: 52% (strongly disagree: 38%, tend to disagree: 14%)



    47% do not believe that it is acceptable for a school teacher to be homosexual

    Q: To what extent do you agree or disagree that it is acceptable for a homosexual person to be a teacher in a school?

    Net disagree: 47% (strongly disagree: 35%, tend to disagree: 12%)

    only 18% of muslims surveyed agreed with it being legal , some stated nothing and 52% straight up disagree with it being legal.

    So tolerant...


  • #1218
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    blinding wrote: »
    How dare you .

    Douglas Murray is a respected Author , Communicator and Debator .

    He research his work to the highest level .

    You’ll get him on youtube . It’ll be good for you .
    Or you can get me the facts instead of pointing me to someone who is anti-immigrants and anti-Islam, in other words someone with an agenda.

    I'll have those figures when you're ready.


  • #1219
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    From a 2015 channel 4 survey (https://www.channel4.com/press/news/c4-survey-and-documentary-reveals-what-british-muslims-really-think):


    only 18% of muslims surveyed agreed with it being legal , some stated nothing and 52% straight up disagree with it being legal.

    So tolerant...
    Muslims are more Homophobic than other People .

    Are we in some sort of post truth phase . Where the Truth cannot be spoken / written .


  • #1220
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    From a 2015 channel 4 survey (https://www.channel4.com/press/news/c4-survey-and-documentary-reveals-what-british-muslims-really-think):


    only 18% of muslims surveyed agreed with it being legal , some stated nothing and 52% straight up disagree with it being legal.

    So tolerant...

    A sample of 'British Muslims' isn't 'all Muslims' which is what was claimed.


  • #1221
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    blinding wrote: »
    Muslims are more Homophobic than other People .

    Are we in some sort of post truth phase . Where the Truth cannot be spoken / written .




    We are in a thread that has no idea of the background of the accussed however.


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  • #1222
    bloodless_coup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    Faugheen wrote: »
    I'll have those figures when you're ready.

    Now what?


  • #1223
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Faugheen wrote: »
    A sample of 'British Muslims' isn't 'all Muslims' which is what was claimed.

    How big of a sample size of muslims do we need before you'll accept it ?


  • #1224
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    How big of a sample size of muslims do we need before you'll accept it ?

    A lot more than 1000 Muslims in one country


  • #1225
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,123 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Faugheen wrote: »
    A lot more than 1000 Muslims in one country

    Lol, that is some Jesuit Order level stuff Faugheen.

    You'd have made a cardinal.


  • #1226
    lainey_d_123
    Registered Users Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭lainey_d_123


    Faugheen wrote: »
    I'd like a source for this please.

    Are you living under a rock? Not seen the groups of Muslim parents who are harassing the headteacher of a school in Birmingham for including some stuff about LGBT relationships on the syllabus?


  • #1227
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Danzy wrote: »
    Lol, that is some Jesuit Order level stuff Faugheen.

    You'd have made a cardinal.

    So you think 1000 British Muslims is a fair reflection of the 1.8bn around the world?


  • #1228
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    Faugheen wrote: »
    A sample of 'British Muslims' isn't 'all Muslims' which is what was claimed.

    That’s how surveys work. It’s not a census.

    But I would give good money to see that census. ;)


  • #1229
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,497 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    This is a thread about homophobic attacks, not Muslims, Now cease that avenue of discussion

    Any questions, PM me - do not respond to this warning in-thread


  • #1230
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    RasTa wrote: »
    Not sure if this is real as she mentions an Alan Partridge line but police say they are investigating.

    https://twitter.com/YusufJP_/status/1155205178066382851
    In fairness we don’t know if that person was a muslim or who they are .

    It could be anyone in there .:eek:


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  • #1231
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,497 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    I've just deleted a number of posts which contravene my prior warning. Anyone else raising the topic of Muslims in this thread will face a card or ban and will also be banned from posting in this thread again


  • #1232
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Beasty wrote: »
    I've just deleted a number of posts which contravene my prior warning. Anyone else raising the topic of Muslims in this thread will face a card or ban and will also be banned from posting in this thread again

    Just to ask if/when its revealed that the perpetrators were muslims is it valid to discuss again or is it off the table regardless ?


  • #1233
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,497 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Just to ask if/when its revealed that the perpetrators were muslims is it valid to discuss again or is it off the table regardless ?
    Do not post in this thread again

    Next time you will be banned from the forum


  • #1234
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Just as suspected, Chris threw the first punch ..


    https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1200096159097933829


    She's lucky, what with London's propensity for knife crime, her life didn't end that night.

    These lads were utter scum, there's no question about that but the only message that should be taken from all this is that if you're female (or indeed outnumbered young males) on a night out and scumbags start harassing you, throwing coins (and/or being aggressively sexual suggestive towards you - as was the case here) get the fcuk away from them as quickly as your legs can carry you!

    This footage should be an advert for what NOT to do in a similar situation.


  • #1235
    spodoinkle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 308 ✭✭spodoinkle


    Looks like the guy was defending himself the only attacker there is the blonde.


  • #1236
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,064 ✭✭✭Christy42


    They were charged with harassment. Which occured before the assualt. Can't well say they were harassing in self defense before anyone was attacked?

    I also missed the self defense lesson that involved stealing a handbag?


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  • #1237
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Just as suspected, Chris threw the first punch ..


    https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1200096159097933829


    She's lucky, what with London's propensity for knife crime, her life didn't end that night.

    These lads were utter scum, there's no question about that but the only message that should be taken from all this is that if you're female (or indeed outnumbered young males) on a night out and scumbags start harassing you, throwing coins (and/or being aggressively sexual suggestive towards you - as was the case here) get the fcuk away from them as quickly as your legs can carry you!

    This footage should be an advert for what NOT to do in a similar situation.

    That link doesn't work for me.

    Edit: works now.

    Didn't she punch him in the chops for stealing her bag?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • #1238
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Just as suspected, Chris threw the first punch ..


    She's lucky, what with London's propensity for knife crime, her life didn't end that night.

    These lads were utter scum, there's no question about that but the only message that should be taken from all this is that if you're female (or indeed outnumbered young males) on a night out and scumbags start harassing you, throwing coins (and/or being aggressively sexual suggestive towards you - as was the case here) get the fcuk away from them as quickly as your legs can carry you!

    This footage should be an advert for what NOT to do in a similar situation.

    I’m assuming Chris is the blonde woman? (Weird to use a first name like that. Do you know these people?) As she hasn’t been charged with anything, it must be deemed to have been self-defense. So who cares if she threw the first punch? If somebody is defending themselves, they often will. So what’s your point?


  • #1239
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    I’m assuming Chris is the blonde woman? (Weird to use a first name like that. Do you know these people?) As she hasn’t been charged with anything, it must be deemed to have been self-defense. So who cares if she threw the first punch? If somebody is defending themselves, they often will. So what’s your point?

    Referring to ppl by their name is a common practice in western societies even when you don't know them personally. In formal situations one might use the persons surname preceded by Mr/Ms but this is commonly dispensed with when the subject isn't present and obviously in cases where the surname is not known. It's unclear exactly how long this has been the case but some historians think it dates as far back to when names were invented, whenever that was.


  • #1240
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    AllForIt wrote: »
    Referring to ppl by their name is a common practice in western societies even when you don't know them personally. In formal situations one might use the persons surname preceded by Mr/Ms but this is commonly dispensed with when the subject isn't present and obviously in cases where the surname is not known. It's unclear exactly how long this has been the case but some historians think it dates as far back to when names were invented, whenever that was.

    Thick layers of sarcasm there but it is weird in certain situations to not say the full name or surname. Just using the first name there struck me as odd and, well, I’m also a person who speaks English and that’s my impression. Generally if you don’t know a person, you’ll use their full name or surname. Anything else seems curiously overfamiliar.

    Edit: And most people won’t remember the names of the people involved seeing as it’s a while ago now. So to be like “See, I told you First Name threw the first punch!” will mean little to anybody and is just a bit overly invested.


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