Against the head

Hagz · 27-11-2012 6:06pm

jm08 wrote: »

They are all building blocks. If they don't matter why play them in the first place?

Eh to asses what you're best 22 is.....obviously. If O'Gara has no chance of being in the test 22, then why bring him?

So you reckon there are a lot of Ireland fans who are willing to pay out a lot of money to watch Ireland play in the Aviva but they don't watch club rugby and get all their info from the the headlines?

No, I don't reckon, I know. I know lots of them. It's pretty normal. In fact, I'd wager that the majority of the crowd in the Aviva wouldn't have a good knowledge about what's going on in club rugby. Heck, half of the rugby team I play with don't watch the Pro12 games. People in this forum, who get exited about a match between Ulster and Newport are a rarity.

Hagz · 27-11-2012 6:08pm

Gargled wrote: »

Poor Mal seemed to be a deer caught in the floodlights. The man talked for circa 6 minutes without saying anything at all!

I though Malcolm O'Kelly was very good. I'd be happy to seem him on it again.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 27-11-2012 6:14pm

jm08 wrote: »

Lots of people seem to have a strong affection towards O'Gara judging from the cheer he got last week when he came on despite his disasterous showing against SA

Look ROG is ROG, he has done a lot of things for Muster and Irish rugby over the years and if he comes on I for one will cheer. That said I will not support the idea of him coming on for Ireland or starting for Munster or touring with the Lions.

People (in general) need to pull their heads out of their asses and divorce the ideas of supporting the players and respecting a true servant of Irish rugby (which ROG is no mattter how his performances at the moment are going) with the idea of picking the best players.

A lot of people in this forum and elsewhere are suggesting that ROG should be in the Irish 23 because of his past successes and a lot of people disrespect ROG as a player and his history because of his current performances.

Sorry for the mini rant guys.

jm08 · 27-11-2012 6:21pm

smurphy29 wrote: »

Arguing with jm08 is like trying to pick up mercury with a fork.

Lloyd George v De Valera I think - I am flattered!

The very idea that this is up for discussion is hilarious. It's been put forward by Alan Quinlan, who is clearly not a disinterested party. jm08's theory seems to be that ROG will be picked because none of the others are playing well, but the fact that ROG is playing like a bag of nails is apparently irrelevant, because he's going to play himself into form over the next few months. Does the same not apply to Flood, Priestland etc.

I've only been explaining why Quinlan would suggest that ROG is in with a chance of touring with the Lions.

ROG hasn't been injured to know what way he has been playing. ROG came on last weekend, and Ireland scored a try immediately - of course all you can see are the mistakes he made because that is all you are looking for.

I would love to ask jm08 to put his money where his mouth is and ofer people a price on ROG making the tour to see how much he believes his own daft logic.

I'm explaining Quinlan's logic - he also said Wilko could be in there - the logic is that there are a lot of very poor options at outhalf out there and the one thing these two have going for them is experience.

jacothelad · 27-11-2012 6:21pm

Gargled wrote: »

What is the title of this thread again?

Relating to Against the Head I nearly fell off my chair in disbelief at the team selected. O'Driscoll at 12 and Gilroy starting were the highlights.

Equally shocking was Cahills coverage of the Rabo. Think he should be put forward for a drugs test...

Poor Mal seemed to be a deer caught in the floodlights. The man talked for circa 6 minutes without saying anything at all!

Seriously I don't think anyone that isn't a big rugby fan would watch this muck. It has the entertainment value of a wet carrot. The best bit is the montage for the competition...

Hagz wrote: »

I though Malcolm O'Kelly was very good. I'd be happy to seem him on it again.

I actually thought Mal was on the verge of telling it like it is when he was asked if Ireland had possibly turned a corner. He started to develop a criticism and then became more discreet shall we say.

With regard to the Lions segment, the fact that Quinny thinks O'Gara :-
a) Has a chance of a Lions tour and
b) Is good enough in the first place and
c) should go........would normally mark someone down as either a shaved talking monkey or a total and irredeemable cretin. As it's Quinny then he clearly is just boosting his old buddy and is totally blinded to reality by his acquaintanceship with ROG. Unless he has become an idiot over the weekend.

Gargled · 27-11-2012 6:24pm

My 2 cents on this..... someone who cannot tackle can't play for the Lions

jm08 · 27-11-2012 6:28pm

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Look ROG is ROG, he has done a lot of things for Muster and Irish rugby over the years and if he comes on I for one will cheer. That said I will not support the idea of him coming on for Ireland or starting for Munster or touring with the Lions.

So you are a hypocrite then!

People (in general) need to pull their heads out of their asses and divorce the ideas of supporting the players and respecting a true servant of Irish rugby (which ROG is no mattter how his performances at the moment are going) with the idea of picking the best players.

People can support who they want to. Maybe some people should also think its a bit premature to write off someone on 13 minutes of rugby.

A lot of people in this forum and elsewhere are suggesting that ROG should be in the Irish 23 because of his past successes and a lot of people disrespect ROG as a player and his history because of his current performances.

Sorry for the mini rant guys.

I don't get why you would think that ROG wants to sit on the bench for Ireland in the first place. Remember, David Humphreys refused to when Ireland had Paddy Wallace as their only option. Said he didn't like being away from his young family for such long periods and then not to be playing.

Gargled · 27-11-2012 6:34pm

jacothelad wrote: »

I actually thought Mal was on the verge of telling it like it is when he was asked if Ireland had possibly turned a corner. He started to develop a criticism and then became more discreet shall we say.

He stammered an awful lot and really didn't look comfortable on screen. I like the guy, just needs some media training or practice or something!

Higher · 27-11-2012 6:36pm

jm08 wrote: »

. ROG came on last weekend, and Ireland scored a try immediately - of course all you can see are the mistakes he made because that is all you are looking for.

I am genuinely unsure if you're ripping the piss or not..

ROG had nothing to do with the try. He was however directly responsible for Argentina getting a try.

We hadn't conceded before Ronan 'above international standard' O'Gara came on and did his all too familiar turnstile tactic.

Teferi · 27-11-2012 6:42pm

Lads, boards.ie does have an "ignore poster" option...

CIARAN_BOYLE · 27-11-2012 6:49pm

jm08 wrote: »

So you are a hypocrite then!.

I don't consider myself as such. I consider myself a supporter. If ROG comes on he will get a cheer in respect of his past accomplishments and all the good memories but that doesn't mean he should come on

jm08 wrote: »

Maybe some people should also think its a bit premature to write off someone on 13 minutes of rugby.

what 13 minutes of rugby, most people who have a probem with ROG have had one for a lot more than 13 minutes of rugby.

jm08 · 27-11-2012 6:51pm

Gargled wrote: »

He stammered an awful lot and really didn't look comfortable on screen. I like the guy, just needs some media training or practice or something!

He does look nervous. If he criticised Kidney's management it could be put down to sour grapes anyway since Kidney dropped Mal for poor time keeping during the GS Six Nations.

Hagz · 27-11-2012 6:54pm

How can this be allowed to continue!

Higher · 27-11-2012 7:18pm

jm08 wrote: »

He does look nervous. If he criticised Kidney's management it could be put down to sour grapes anyway since Kidney dropped Mal for poor time keeping during the GS Six Nations.

Yeah because no one could be genuinely critical of Declan Kidney.

It MUST be sour grapes.

CatFromHue · 27-11-2012 7:20pm

Just watched this there.

The look on Quinlan when he said it was him who'd be telling POC and first McCarthy and then Ryan winning MOTM awards did have me laughing out loud!

.ak · 27-11-2012 7:22pm

Gargled wrote: »

He stammered an awful lot and really didn't look comfortable on screen. I like the guy, just needs some media training or practice or something!

I thought he had a voice like black velvet.

leftleg · 27-11-2012 7:55pm

[QUOTE=jm08;81961860] Remember, David Humphreys refused to when Ireland had Paddy Wallace as their only option. Said he didn't like being away from his young family for such long periods and then not to be playing.[/QUOTE]

jm08 im getting serious deja vu from that statement. Weve been here before on this subject. And if i remember right and if im reading right, he wanted and needed to be close to his family, ie he felt he had taken his international career as far as it could go and was at the tail end of his career and wanted to let the younger talent ie ROG come through. He never refused to play for Ireland.

Its a bit of a fudge for you to twist this to suit your own agenda re ROG, do you not think

Foxtrol · 27-11-2012 8:14pm

leftleg wrote: »

jm08 im getting serious deja vu from that statement. Weve been here before on this subject. And if i remember right and if im reading right, he wanted and needed to be close to his family, ie he felt he had taken his international career as far as it could go and was at the tail end of his career and wanted to let the younger talent ie ROG come through. He never refused to play for Ireland.

Its a bit of a fudge for you to twist this to suit your own agenda re ROG, do you not think

You pretty much summed up the majority of his posts.

ROG shouldn't be in an asses roar of the plane and by making the point Quinlan has lowered himself as a journalist in my eyes.

OldRio · 27-11-2012 8:21pm

jm08...Fair play to ya.
Wonderful fishing.

Higher · 27-11-2012 8:49pm

OldRio wrote: »

jm08...Fair play to ya.
Wonderful fishing.

Have you seen his previous posts? I doubt hes fishing at all to be honest.

Podge_irl · 27-11-2012 9:01pm

Quinlan is bigging up his buddy. Rather idiotically it must be added. I would say he's bringing down the standard of rugby journalism in Ireland, but sadly that's not true.

There is not a single rugby reason why ROG should tour with the Lions (or, for that matter, any non-rugby reason) - and he won't.

danthefan · 27-11-2012 9:17pm

leftleg wrote: »

jm08 im getting serious deja vu from that statement. Weve been here before on this subject. And if i remember right and if im reading right, he wanted and needed to be close to his family, ie he felt he had taken his international career as far as it could go and was at the tail end of his career and wanted to let the younger talent ie ROG come through. He never refused to play for Ireland.

Its a bit of a fudge for you to twist this to suit your own agenda re ROG, do you not think

Just a point of order on Humphries, a main catalyst for his retirement was one 6N where he was in the squad for every game but didn't get off the bench even once. It's completely understandable why he retired.

leftleg · 27-11-2012 9:20pm

danthefan wrote: »

Just a point of order on Humphries, a main catalyst for his retirement was one 6N where he was in the squad for every game but didn't get off the bench even once. It's completely understandable why he retired.

I agree, even he could see he was passed it. My point is he never "refused" to play. Actually if i remember right, his words were more to the tune of me "ill play if you need me, just call if you need me". How that is deemed a refusal is beyond me.

jm08 · 27-11-2012 10:01pm

leftleg wrote: »

I agree, even he could see he was passed it. My point is he never "refused" to play. Actually if i remember right, his words were more to the tune of me "ill play if you need me, just call if you need me". How that is deemed a refusal is beyond me.

I don't think anyone (including me) said he refused to play - I said he refused to sit on the bench - and he had good reason - being away from his young family.

Now why would you think O'Gara would want to sit on the bench?

(By the way, Humphreys didn't say he would make himself available - if he did, he would have been brought out to the world cup in '07.

leftleg · 27-11-2012 10:12pm

jm08 wrote: »

I don't think anyone (including me) said he refused to play - I said he refused to sit on the bench - and he had good reason - being away from his young family.

Now why would you think O'Gara would want to sit on the bench?

(By the way, Humphreys didn't say he would make himself available - if he did, he would have been brought out to the world cup in '07.

Fair enough, apologies for taking you up wrong jm.

totallegend · 27-11-2012 10:16pm

Podge_irl wrote: »

Quinlan is bigging up his buddy. Rather idiotically it must be added. I would say he's bringing down the standard of rugby journalism in Ireland, but sadly that's not true.

There is not a single rugby reason why ROG should tour with the Lions (or, for that matter, any non-rugby reason) - and he won't.

Haven't been following this thread, am only copping now that Quinlan suggested that O'Gara go on the Lions tour.

I'm actually in shock; I was starting to think Quinlan was improving but that is laughable. I'd say O'Gara himself would be embarrassed by it.

durkadurka · 28-11-2012 12:41pm

totallegend wrote: »

Haven't been following this thread, am only copping now that Quinlan suggested that O'Gara go on the Lions tour.

I'm actually in shock; I was starting to think Quinlan was improving but that is laughable. I'd say O'Gara himself would be embarrassed by it.

Ya think?

jacothelad · 28-11-2012 3:16pm

totallegend wrote: »

Haven't been following this thread, am only copping now that Quinlan suggested that O'Gara go on the Lions tour.

I'm actually in shock; I was starting to think Quinlan was improving but that is laughable. I'd say O'Gara himself would be embarrassed by it.

If he wasn't embarrassed by the massive self-serving whine "I'll be finished with Ireland in a few weeks," i.e. 'Pick me or I'm off.' Any other international coach would have handed him his 'plane ticket home after that. Then there was the "I'm playing above international level," designed to do one thing only - persuade his mate, Deccie, to keep him around for another load of years. Didn't he say he would stay on until he was 37 at least? If none of the above doesn't make him think he's a t*at then he won't be embarrassed by this. Sadly, he would actually be an embarrassment as we saw on Saturday.

.ak · 28-11-2012 3:22pm

He said he'd play til he was 40. Although that was obviously a defensive jab.

thebaz · 02-03-2015 11:54pm

anyone watch against the head tonight -

had me in stitches

The presenter - O'Brien , totally putt his foot in it :-

Unlike Donal, the modern player likes to chill out with 2 bags of Coke , woops 2 bottles

The re-action of Jennings was priceless

homecouldbhere · 03-03-2015 12:08am

thebaz wrote: »

anyone watch against the head tonight -

had me in stitches

The presenter - O'Brien , totally putt his foot in it :-

Unlike Donal, the modern player likes to chill out with 2 bags of Coke , woops 2 bottles

The re-action of Jennings was priceless

Lol. Yeah just watched it meself on the player. The way Jennings turns to Quinlan and repeats: "Hahaha...2 bags of coke".
Gave O Brian no chance of just carrying on as if nothing happened!!!

03-03-2015 10:37am

Listening to Alan Quinlan is really driving me up the wall. Its just cliche after cliche. Lots of words come out, but very little is said.

kuang1 · 04-03-2015 2:51am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Listening to Alan Quinlan is really driving me up the wall. Its just cliche after cliche. Lots of words come out, but very little is said.

Hard to disagree with this. Think he's getting these gigs based more on him being 'camera friendly ' and being able to pronounce his 'th's than providing any unique insight. (Into anything at all!)

04-03-2015 9:08am

He says sensible things now and again, but most of us have learned to stare at the wall behind him and ponder what we're having for dinner whenever he opens his mouth.

jacothelad · 04-03-2015 11:11am

19543261 wrote: »

He says sensible things now and again, but most of us have learned to stare at the wall behind him and ponder what we're having for dinner whenever he opens his mouth.

It's like listening to the 'most Boring Priest In The World' from the Father Ted Xmas special

Larbre34 · 04-03-2015 12:10pm

ATH is a great programme on the whole. They mix up the pundits so that if you arent a fan of anyone if particular you will see an alternative view the following week.

The background features can be very good, the one on the national scrum development programme a few weeks back was excellent, as was the interview with Nucifora.

its_phil · 04-03-2015 2:56pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

ATH is a great programme on the whole. They mix up the pundits so that if you arent a fan of anyone if particular you will see an alternative view the following week.

The background features can be very good, the one on the national scrum development programme a few weeks back was excellent, as was the interview with Nucifora.

They may change the pundits, but I still have to look at Daire O'Brien every week...:(

wp_rathead · 04-03-2015 2:59pm

Bring back Joanne Cantwell!!

artvandelay48 · 05-03-2015 11:52am

its_phil wrote: »

They may change the pundits, but I still have to look at Daire O'Brien every week...:(

his "go easy" at the end raises my blood pressure every time

duckysauce · 05-03-2015 11:56am

artvandelay48 wrote: »

his "go easy" at the end raises my blood pressure every time

:D

Larbre34 · 05-03-2015 2:29pm

Ah now, go easy on Daire, he's our Inverdale.

He must be favourite to take over from McGurk on the big show too, no? Although with no AI's they wont need a new anchor until Feb 16.

I wouldnt like to see Joanne back. A very good presenter, but i never heard a thing because of her eyes.

molloyjh · 05-03-2015 2:38pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Ah now, go easy on Daire, he's our Inverdale.

He must be favourite to take over from McGurk on the big show too, no?

No. Oh please God no....

Uno my Uno. · 05-03-2015 4:02pm

wprathead wrote: »

Bring back Joanne Cantwell!!

Please no I couldn't stand her.

there must be someone else out there other than Daire and Joanne?

And not that blondey guy who does the soccer now either.

Morf · 05-03-2015 8:45pm

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

Please no I couldn't stand her.

there must be someone else out there other than Daire and Joanne?

And not that blondey guy who does the soccer now either.

Tá Maire Treasa ó TG4 ceart go leoir dom! :pac:

thomond2006 · 05-03-2015 8:49pm

RTE should hire Isabelle Ithurburu.

Morf · 05-03-2015 9:00pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

RTE should hire Isabelle Ithurburu.

Oui oui.

theboy1 · 05-03-2015 9:03pm

Bit surprised by the opinions of others on here,I think Daire O Brien is one of the best presenters currently at RTE.

05-03-2015 9:04pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

RTE should hire Isabelle Ithurburu.

She can present the show in French for all I care.

Phonehead · 05-03-2015 9:15pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

RTE should hire Isabelle Ithurburu.

OMG I'm in love

Neil3030 · 05-03-2015 9:39pm

Daire O'Brien, from what I've seen of him anyway, is awful. He interrupts his guests far too often and treats an interview more like a dinner conversation. If he could tone it back and make it less about him he could be acceptable.

Against the head

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