Beep scheme - anyone joining

Hard Knocks · 21-10-2020 2:15pm

Dunedin wrote: »

Don’t think fasinex will do rumen fluke - think it’s liver fluke only but will do all three stages.

Need Zanil or Lefas Diamond for rumen

Be careful giving Lefas Diamond to heavy incalf cows, as it’s hard on the stomach
anything up to 70 days from calving do as they calve

Anto_Meath · 21-10-2020 4:35pm

Just seen on Twitter one of the labs is advising that if sample pots aren't ordered before the weekend and returned early next week they will miss the November 1st deadline.
I assume most of the people on here have this done but maybe no harm to remind any of your friends because with the way this year is going some people might not realize that November 1st is do near.

patsy_mccabe · 21-10-2020 7:35pm

I sent away the dung samples the other day. Had to laugh when yer wan in the Post Office asked me, if there was anything of value in the package.

Dunedin · 21-10-2020 9:11pm

Anto_Meath wrote: »

Just seen on Twitter one of the labs is advising that if sample pots aren't ordered before the weekend and returned early next week they will miss the November 1st deadline.
I assume most of the people on here have this done but maybe no harm to remind any of your friends because with the way this year is going some people might not realize that November 1st is do near.

I only got my sample kit today and won’t get to take samples until Saturday. Monday is bank holiday so it will be Tuesdays post. Hopefully it’ll make it.

Anto_Meath · 21-10-2020 9:29pm

Dunedin wrote: »

I only got my sample kit today and won’t get to take samples until Saturday. Monday is bank holiday so it will be Tuesdays post. Hopefully it’ll make it.

That's should be fine Dunedin, post Tuesday it will be there Wednesday.

limerick farmer · 21-10-2020 9:29pm

you would hope there would be a bit of leniency shown this year anyway.

Lime Tree Farm · 21-10-2020 10:10pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I sent away the dung samples the other day. Had to laugh when yer wan in the Post Office asked me, if there was anything of value in the package.

Did you say they were priceless!

High bike · 21-10-2020 10:13pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I sent away the dung samples the other day. Had to laugh when yer wan in the Post Office asked me, if there was anything of value in the package.

Always heard there was money in sh1t:D

patsy_mccabe · 21-10-2020 10:16pm

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

Did you say they were priceless!

I was about to crack a joke, but I thought it might open a can of worms. Might have to spend a while explaining.

Lime Tree Farm · 21-10-2020 10:33pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I was about to crack a joke, but I thought it might open a can of worms. Might have to spend a while explaining.

They'd be opening more than a can or worms, could be fluke in there too.

Lady Haywire · 22-10-2020 9:25am

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

They'd be opening more than a can or worms, could be fluke in there too.

:D Almost spat out my coffee!

tractorporn · 27-10-2020 6:48pm

tanko wrote: »

Just keep the receipts/dockets.

Hi I was sure that all you had to do was keep the dockets but the all knowing lads in agriland say that records must be submitted! Has something changed?

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/this-week-is-crucial-for-suckler-farmers-and-their-pockets/

Grueller · 27-10-2020 8:20pm

tractorporn wrote: »

Hi I was sure that all you had to do was keep the dockets but the all knowing lads in agriland say that records must be submitted! Has something changed?

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/this-week-is-crucial-for-suckler-farmers-and-their-pockets/

Just read the updated t&c's there on the dept site. Record the dates of weaning animals and retain it for compliance and administrative checks. No need to post off.

Grueller · 27-10-2020 8:22pm

tractorporn wrote: »

Hi I was sure that all you had to do was keep the dockets but the all knowing lads in agriland say that records must be submitted! Has something changed?

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/this-week-is-crucial-for-suckler-farmers-and-their-pockets/

Just read the updated t&c's there on the dept site. Record the dates of weaning animals and retain it for compliance and administrative checks. No need to post off.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 28-10-2020 3:07pm

This Friday is the closing date for a few bits of the scheme, unless there's an extension granted.

The dung samples have to be received by Friday.

For those picking the vaccination part, 1st vaccinations must be done 2-4 weeks before weaning, housing or sale and the second part completed 2-4 weeks before sale. There's a record sheet and purchase records to be sent off to the Dept as well but I can't see any closing date for this but I'm assuming payment will be delayed till that's done.

More details below and the links for the different parts of requirements as well in the last section.

https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/beeps/

Grueller · 28-10-2020 3:16pm

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

This Friday is the closing date for a few bits of the scheme, unless there's an extension granted.

The dung samples have to be received by Friday.

For those picking the vaccination part, 1st vaccinations must be done 2-4 weeks before weaning, housing or sale and the second part completed 2-4 weeks before sale. There's a record sheet and purchase records to be sent off to the Dept as well but I can't see any closing date for this but I'm assuming payment will be delayed till that's done.

More details below and the links for the different parts of requirements as well in the last section.

https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/beeps/

There are record sheets for vaccination and meal. I didn't choose the vaccination option but did choose the meal feeding.
The meal feeding option has a record sheet but the terms and conditions state

Receipts, invoices and labels of all compound feeding stuffs, and/or straights (feed materials) and complementary mineral mixtures purchased must be retained and made available for inspection and administrative check.

That to me sounds like you retain records in case of an inspection? Also there is no address to send off the completed forms to.

tanko · 28-10-2020 3:36pm

Grueller wrote: »

There are record sheets for vaccination and meal. I didn't choose the vaccination option but did choose the meal feeding.
The meal feeding option has a record sheet but the terms and conditions state

Receipts, invoices and labels of all compound feeding stuffs, and/or straights (feed materials) and complementary mineral mixtures purchased must be retained and made available for inspection and administrative check.

That to me sounds like you retain records in case of an inspection? Also there is no address to send off the completed forms to.

Click on the blue rectangular box with BEEP-S in it at the bottom of the page, then click on meal feeding or vaccination.

tractorporn · 28-10-2020 3:49pm

Grueller wrote: »

There are record sheets for vaccination and meal. I didn't choose the vaccination option but did choose the meal feeding.
The meal feeding option has a record sheet but the terms and conditions state

Receipts, invoices and labels of all compound feeding stuffs, and/or straights (feed materials) and complementary mineral mixtures purchased must be retained and made available for inspection and administrative check.

That to me sounds like you retain records in case of an inspection? Also there is no address to send off the completed forms to.

Sounds like they changed their minds, cos the meal feeding sheet has to be sent to Portlaoise along with copies of the meal dockets.

Edit:The sheet has a published date of 23/10 so seems to me that they have only decided in the past week that it must be sent into them.

emaherx · 28-10-2020 4:14pm

tractorporn wrote: »

Sounds like they changed their minds, cos the meal feeding sheet has to be sent to Portlaoise along with copies of the meal dockets.

Edit:The sheet has a published date of 23/10 so seems to me that they have only decided in the past week that it must be sent into them.

The sneaky gits.

I'm sure there has to be another few weeks before these are due anyway as you can still weigh for another few days and if you weigh this week it has to be done before weaning so feeding needs to continue for another 2 weeks at least.

tractorporn · 28-10-2020 4:26pm

emaherx wrote: »

The sneaky gits.

I'm sure there has to be another few weeks before these are due anyway as you can still weigh for another few days and if you weigh this week it has to be done before weaning so feeding needs to continue for another 2 weeks at least.

At a guess I'd say you won't get paid until that info has been received.

emaherx · 28-10-2020 4:35pm

tractorporn wrote: »

At a guess I'd say you won't get paid until that info has been received.

I'd say so but I can live with that, mine will only be weaned by the weekend so there will be another 2 weeks feeding to record for me.

Bit poor that there is not an option to submit online though.

tractorporn · 28-10-2020 4:39pm

emaherx wrote: »

I'd say so but I can live with that, mine will only be weaned by the weekend so there will be another 2 weeks feeding to record for me.

Bit poor that there is not an option to submit online though.

Really poor theres not even an email to submit it to only a postal address.

Grueller · 28-10-2020 4:42pm

When there is a doubt always go to source. I emailed the beef schemes section.
They replied that you retain the meal feeding records yourself and only send them in if specifically requested to do so.
I would post a screenshot of the email but I don't really know how and it also contains personal info of mine.

tractorporn · 28-10-2020 4:52pm

Grueller wrote: »

When there is a doubt always go to source. I emailed the beef schemes section.
They replied that you retain the meal feeding records yourself and only send them in if specifically requested to do so.
I would post a screenshot of the email but I don't really know how and it also contains personal info of mine.

Thanks for clarifying that Grueller. It really shouldn't be this hard to figure the t's and c's

Earnshaw · 28-10-2020 4:55pm

Does your chosen Laboratory send a notification to DAFM that they received fecal samples or do you have to do any action in relation to this?

Lime Tree Farm · 28-10-2020 5:05pm

Blessings on you all for spotting this.

893bet · 28-10-2020 5:11pm

What if you ain’t weaning for a few more months?

Late May calvers need not be weaned till early next year.

Lime Tree Farm · 28-10-2020 6:16pm

Earnshaw wrote: »

Does your chosen Laboratory send a notification to DAFM that they received fecal samples or do you have to do any action in relation to this?

Yes.

ABitofsense · 28-10-2020 8:19pm

The letter I got states I have to submit "records showing commencement of meal feeding" & "meal purchases receipts" by the 06/Nov/2020 or face fines!

Presume that means I'm being audited

Grueller · 28-10-2020 8:26pm

ABitofsense wrote: »

The letter I got states I have to submit "records showing commencement of meal feeding" & "meal purchases receipts" by the 06/Nov/2020 or face fines!

Presume that means I'm being audited

Exactly

893bet · 28-10-2020 10:46pm

Grueller wrote: »

When there is a doubt always go to source. I emailed the beef schemes section.
They replied that you retain the meal feeding records yourself and only send them in if specifically requested to do so.
I would post a screenshot of the email but I don't really know how and it also contains personal info of mine.

Was that today you emailed them?

Grueller · 28-10-2020 10:49pm

893bet wrote: »

Was that today you emailed them?

Ya

893bet · 28-10-2020 10:52pm

Grueller wrote: »

Ya

Sound. Them forms are only for someone who is being audited I guess. Hopefully.

Durrus Boy · 29-10-2020 3:28pm

Quick question,

Has everyone who sent in dung samples received their results? I sent samples by registered post on 13/10 but have heard nothing back since, usually emailed the results.
Just a bit concerned that I mightnt be paid for this after going to the bother of doing it. An Post tracker confirms they were delivered.
Cheers....

Lime Tree Farm · 29-10-2020 3:49pm

893bet wrote: »

Sound. Them forms are only for someone who is being audited I guess. Hopefully.

I downloaded and filled in the form this morning, Option 2 on the vaccination form, along with the prescriptions. I'll have to ask the Vet for individual receipts as the statement has other items included.

Better to have it ready in advance.

White Clover · 29-10-2020 5:02pm

Who did people here find best for dung sampling? Who gave the most detailed analysis? How much does it cost?
I have a few pens of beef cattle that I want to check before I go putting in any unnecessary dosing into them.
Thanks for any suggestions.

tanko · 29-10-2020 5:16pm

Durrus Boy wrote: »

Quick question,

Has everyone who sent in dung samples received their results? I sent samples by registered post on 13/10 but have heard nothing back since, usually emailed the results.
Just a bit concerned that I mightnt be paid for this after going to the bother of doing it. An Post tracker confirms they were delivered.
Cheers....

I got results the day after dropping in the samples. Have you rang the lab??

tanko · 02-11-2020 1:30pm

12 midnight last night was the cutoff for putting in weights , it’s not being extended this year, am i right in thinking that it was extended for a week last year

Sami23 · 02-11-2020 1:40pm

tanko wrote: »

12 midnight last night was the cutoff for putting in weights , it’s not being extended this year, am i right in thinking that it was extended for a week last year

Hope it's not tbh as lads had plenty of time to get it done by now anyway.
And if it was extended it might only delay our payments.

ABitofsense · 02-11-2020 2:21pm

Sami23 wrote: »

Hope it's not tbh as lads had plenty of time to get it done by now anyway

Thats what i dont understand. How have lads waited till the very end to actually do the tasks when they new fully what & when things needed to be done by!!

patsy_mccabe · 02-11-2020 2:44pm

I've heard nothing back either from my dung samples. Luckily I registered the post. Must be gone 2 weeks or more now.

Lady Haywire · 02-11-2020 2:45pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I've heard nothing back either from my dung samples. Luckily I registered the post. Must be gone 2 weeks or more now.

They're probably up to their necks in it:D

jfh · 02-11-2020 2:50pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I've heard nothing back either from my dung samples. Luckily I registered the post. Must be gone 2 weeks or more now.

Same here but I didn't register post

FeelTheBern · 02-11-2020 3:01pm

tanko wrote: »

12 midnight last night was the cutoff for putting in weights , it’s not being extended this year, am i right in thinking that it was extended for a week last year

I could be wrong but I think that was the last day to weigh but you have up to 7 days after weighing to input the weights online. So all not lost yet if you weighed but just haven’t uploaded yet..

Dozer1 · 02-11-2020 3:06pm

Hi Patsy, if its the crowd in Roscommon ring them, I was the same as you and they had put in my email address wrong

tanko · 02-11-2020 3:49pm

FeelTheBern wrote: »

I could be wrong but I think that was the last day to weigh but you have up to 7 days after weighing to input the weights online. So all not lost yet if you weighed but just haven’t uploaded yet..

No, weights couldn’t be inputted on ICBF after 12 midnight last night which i think is unfair on farmers who weighed in the last few days.
It doesn’t affect me but a neighbour of mine got caught out, he thought he had a week to put in the weights the same as people who weighed earlier had.

Jb1989 · 02-11-2020 3:58pm

tanko wrote: »

No, weights couldn’t be inputted on ICBF after 12 midnight last night which i think is unfair on farmers who weighed in the last few days.
It doesn’t affect me but a neighbour of mine got caught out, he thought he had a week to put in the weights the same as people who weighed earlier had.

I put them in a at 12.15 last night.

tanko · 02-11-2020 4:00pm

Jb1989 wrote: »

I put them in a at 12.15 last night.

Ok, he tried this morning, I assumed midnight was the cut off.

endainoz · 02-11-2020 4:02pm

tanko wrote: »

No, weights couldn’t be inputted on ICBF after 12 midnight last night which i think is unfair on farmers who weighed in the last few days.
It doesn’t affect me but a neighbour of mine got caught out, he thought he had a week to put in the weights the same as people who weighed earlier had.

Lads had plenty of notice to do it in fairness. It just seems like putting something on the long finger a bit too long. (Which we can all be guilty of sometimes)

Jb1989 · 02-11-2020 4:04pm

tanko wrote: »

Ok, he tried this morning, I assumed midnight was the cut off.

Sometimes only be when offices open that online facilities would be shut down. Worst case scenario they may take the posted version, even a few day late

Beep scheme - anyone joining

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