UFC 242: Khabib Nurmagomedov vs Dustin Poirier [7 Sep, 19:00]

average hero · 08-09-2019 9:43am

Dustin Poirier by KO/TKO

Wow. Just wow.

I predicted a Khabib win but was wrong when I stated 'while not being impossible, I don't see Dustin being submitted'.

Khabib just put on a masterclass.

My analysis:
Just before the fight I thought Dustin looked loose and relaxed, Khabib looked a bit more tense. D and K exchanged a nice combo but then K shot in at a ridiculous speed and wore D out. Whatever weight he puts on opponents, Dustin was knackered after that 1st round.

Start of the 2nd and Dustin knew he had to go for it and had a great combination that stung Khabib. Khabib lulled him over to the fence and once the next takedown happened, it was effectively over.

A third round Dustin was all but spent. He was hunched over at the end of the 2nd. Nearly got a guillotine. In the press conference he said he should have thrown his other foot over to be a full guard guillotine.

Khabib one of the greatest ever. I still think that Tony asks him different questions but I think Khabib wins that one too.

One thing my mate and I realised was that Khabib's relies heavily upon the fence. He utilises wrestling and judo trips very well. If it was straight JJ in the middle of the octagon, would it be so easy? I think defending Khabib would be better in the middle of the octagon as Conor showed in round 1. Genuine question - would like other's opinions.

derfderf · 08-09-2019 10:05am

Dustin Poirier by KO/TKO

Average Hero - I agree. I actually thought Conor would have done a lot better early against Khabib because he's very rarely backed up (particularly early in the fight) but usually keeps a bit of distance to get his timing on people shooting or swinging. He went toe to toe with Khabib for some reason, and paid the price.

Tony asks a lot of questions. Very tough, and endless energy. If Tony gets the same chance that Dustin did for the guillotine it could be a different story.

I really want to see Gaethje vs Khabib though, and Tony vs Conor.

Tazzimus · 08-09-2019 10:55am

Dustin Poirier by Sub

The Nal wrote: »

I understand both.

He's exceptional. Could be unbeatable.

But boring. No one wants to watch 15 minutes of methodical wrestling.

I think you'll find a lot of us would gladly watch it

Ush1 · 08-09-2019 11:06am

average hero wrote: »

Wow. Just wow.

I predicted a Khabib win but was wrong when I stated 'while not being impossible, I don't see Dustin being submitted'.

Khabib just put on a masterclass.

My analysis:
Just before the fight I thought Dustin looked loose and relaxed, Khabib looked a bit more tense. D and K exchanged a nice combo but then K shot in at a ridiculous speed and wore D out. Whatever weight he puts on opponents, Dustin was knackered after that 1st round.

Start of the 2nd and Dustin knew he had to go for it and had a great combination that stung Khabib. Khabib lulled him over to the fence and once the next takedown happened, it was effectively over.

A third round Dustin was all but spent. He was hunched over at the end of the 2nd. Nearly got a guillotine. In the press conference he said he should have thrown his other foot over to be a full guard guillotine.

Khabib one of the greatest ever. I still think that Tony asks him different questions but I think Khabib wins that one too.

One thing my mate and I realised was that Khabib's relies heavily upon the fence. He utilises wrestling and judo trips very well. If it was straight JJ in the middle of the octagon, would it be so easy? I think defending Khabib would be better in the middle of the octagon as Conor showed in round 1. Genuine question - would like other's opinions.

Huge percentage of his takedowns are against the cage. It's chain wrestling as opposed to power doubles like GSP.

One thing that I think is that everybody has to play Khabibs game because they are assuming he is a superior wrestler( which is likely the case) and then trying to hit him on the breaks. I'd love a good wrestler to put him on the back foot, have we ever seen him defend takedowns? As he is so relentless pursuing the takedown himself his defensive wrestling is never tested.

chin nuts · 08-09-2019 11:54am

Gaejthe v khabib is the fight for me. Gaejthe has an incredible wrestling background even though he never utilises it in his fights. Khabib couldn't stand and trade with a crazy man like that but I reckon gaejthe could have a few answer for him on the ground. Tony has to be next tho.

Conor needs to work his way back in. Some tough fights for him at this division. Tony gaejthe even poirer is a different fighter than when last fought Conor.

ricero · 08-09-2019 12:06pm

Khabib Nurmagomedov on Points

The division just doesn't seem to have the wrestling or ground game to challenge Khabib.

Would love his next fights to be against Tony, Gaethje and then Gregor Gillepsie who's been climbing the ladder and looks to only be second to Khabib in terms of wrestling in the division.

smilerf · 08-09-2019 12:15pm

Dustin Poirier by Sub

That Macachev looks good. Can see him challenging within 18 months

ricero · 08-09-2019 12:15pm

Khabib Nurmagomedov on Points

smilerf wrote: »

That Macachev looks good. Can see him challenging within 18 months

Khabibs mate. Can't see it happening reckon khabib is retired in next two years.

Cupp3r · 08-09-2019 12:38pm

chin nuts wrote: »

Gaejthe v khabib is the fight for me. Gaejthe has an incredible wrestling background even though he never utilises it in his fights. Khabib couldn't stand and trade with a crazy man like that but I reckon gaejthe could have a few answer for him on the ground. Tony has to be next tho.

Conor needs to work his way back in. Some tough fights for him at this division. Tony gaejthe even poirer is a different fighter than when last fought Conor.

Justin may Challenger Khabib but he wouldn't beat him. We need to look at how Khabib Utilies his skills, Sambo incorporates Judo and Wrestling skills which Khabib has in abundance. Gaejthe would struggle with being rag dolled like everyone does. He would be able to defend khabibs aggression on top better then most would but we would end up with the same result.

eagle eye · 08-09-2019 12:42pm

ricero wrote:

Would love his next fights to be against Tony, Gaethje and then Gregor Gillepsie who's been climbing the ladder and looks to only be second to Khabib in terms of wrestling in the division.

Gotta agree with you on Gillespie. He will trouble anybody he fights. There are so many big names in the weight class though that it's going to take him some time to climb the rankings.

Macdarack · 08-09-2019 12:59pm

Would diaz drop to 155 again to challenge the wrestling game of Khabib.? If so would khabib tend to stand and trade with Diaz knowing Diaz has ground credentials.

Useful.Idiot · 08-09-2019 1:05pm

Macdarack wrote: »

Would diaz drop to 155 again to challenge the wrestling game of Khabib.? If so would khabib tend to stand and trade with Diaz knowing Diaz has ground credentials.

Nate is weakest against wrestlers, he has little chance.

dulux99 · 08-09-2019 1:06pm

Macdarack wrote: »

Would diaz drop to 155 again to challenge the wrestling game of Khabib.? If so would khabib tend to stand and trade with Diaz knowing Diaz has ground credentials.

Diaz would be a cakewalk for Khabib. People just don't get submitted from the bottom anymore. You just don't see people catching armbars or triangles from bottom at this level in this day and age.

US2 · 08-09-2019 1:07pm

Dustin Poirier by KO/TKO

So much nonsense on this thread havnt seen the likes since McGregor v Aldo

catrat12 · 08-09-2019 1:15pm

Khabib is streets ahead of everyone yes you might say boring style but so affective and don’t think can be stopped
Tony will give him best challenge but still come up short
Nate would be well beaten but a fun build up there
Holloway no chance either
Conor would come up short again think khabib is just too good
Khabib up to 170 would be interesting but think he said he would stay at 155

Tazzimus · 08-09-2019 1:55pm

Dustin Poirier by Sub

catrat12 wrote: »

Khabib is streets ahead of everyone yes you might say boring style but so affective and don’t think can be stopped
Tony will give him best challenge but still come up short
Nate would be well beaten but a fun build up there
Holloway no chance either
Conor would come up short again think khabib is just too good
Khabib up to 170 would be interesting but think he said he would stay at 155

That's cos he'd be the one being mauled at 170 by most of the top 5, much bigger lads up there and the top few are mostly wrestlers.

eagle eye · 08-09-2019 2:21pm

Awful stuff in this thread. Saying Nate wouldn't have a chance is just ridiculous. Nate is one of the smartest fighters you'll ever see. If you've ever watched him you'd know he can change it up to give him his best chance against any opponent.
Saying a guy who won't move up weights even though he's clearly big enough to, and hasn't fought that many big names is the GOAT is insane.
I could go on but I won't.

US2 · 08-09-2019 2:24pm

Dustin Poirier by KO/TKO

eagle eye wrote: »

Awful stuff in this thread. Saying Nate wouldn't have a chance is just ridiculous. Nate is one of the smartest fighters you'll ever see. If you've ever watched him you'd know he can change it up to give him his best chance against any opponent.
Saying a guy who won't move up weights even though he's clearly big enough to, and hasn't fought that many big names is the GOAT is insane.
I could go on but I won't.

No doubt you've only seen Nate fight McGregor x2 and Petis.. he's the fighter with the least chance of beating Khabib.

Cupp3r · 08-09-2019 2:44pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Awful stuff in this thread. Saying Nate wouldn't have a chance is just ridiculous. Nate is one of the smartest fighters you'll ever see. If you've ever watched him you'd know he can change it up to give him his best chance against any opponent.
Saying a guy who won't move up weights even though he's clearly big enough to, and hasn't fought that many big names is the GOAT is insane.
I could go on but I won't.

Ok I'm gonna pose this to you. You say nate would have a chance ok? Khabib is a dominant wrestler (His style of fighting)

Can you please tell me why Nates been ragdolled by RDA, Benson Henderson, Rory MacDonald, Dong Hyung Kim, Clay Guida BUT YET you think he has a chance against Khabib

eagle eye · 08-09-2019 2:44pm

US2 wrote:

No doubt you've only seen Nate fight McGregor x2 and Petis.. he's the fighter with the least chance of beating Khabib.

I've seen a lot of his fights including losses to Benson Henderson and dos Anjos.
Explain why he is the fighter least likely to beat Khabib? He is smart enough to keep it in the middle of the ring. If it goes to the ground there is every chance he controls it.

Cupp3r · 08-09-2019 2:47pm

eagle eye wrote: »

I've seen a lot of his fights including losses to Benson Henderson and dos Anjos.
Explain why he is the fighter least likely to beat Khabib? He is smart enough to keep it in the middle of the ring. If it goes to the ground there is every chance he controls it.

Every chance he controls it? Ah here I'm out.

US2 · 08-09-2019 2:49pm

Dustin Poirier by KO/TKO

eagle eye wrote: »

I've seen a lot of his fights including losses to Benson Henderson and dos Anjos.
Explain why he is the fighter least likely to beat Khabib? He is smart enough to keep it in the middle of the ring. If it goes to the ground there is every chance he controls it.

Give your head a shake man seriously, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. You're embarrassing yourself.

Tazzimus · 08-09-2019 3:30pm

Dustin Poirier by Sub

eagle eye wrote: »

I've seen a lot of his fights including losses to Benson Henderson and dos Anjos.
Explain why he is the fighter least likely to beat Khabib? He is smart enough to keep it in the middle of the ring. If it goes to the ground there is every chance he controls it.

Because he's lost to lesser wrestlers than Khabib.
Nate would lose easily.

JMMCapital · 08-09-2019 4:46pm

McGregor is gonna get destroyed again I’m gonna be laughing so bad haha, Khabib is a monster

Man Vs ManUre · 08-09-2019 5:31pm

Conor beats Khabib 9 times out of 10. You can not deny that.

Useful.Idiot · 08-09-2019 5:32pm

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

Conor beats Khabib 9 times out of 10. You can not deny that.

you're trolling now man haha

yourdeadwright · 08-09-2019 7:09pm

Khabib is unreal at what he does cant question that but personally i thought Dustin looked flustered and almost caught up in the ocassion before the forst bell went , i though it was a terrible preformance from him , he didnt know weather to engage or defend and got cuaght in the middle , He frankley looked like he froze and had a huge gas dump in the first round , I know how good Khabin is but j dont think Dustin made him even worl for that wom bar the choke attempt , , Even after round two saying" i just cant get this ****er off me " it was sheer panic surely he trained for it and knew the first few rpunds that could happen ,

Khabib is a beast at what he does it just such a shame there are no top level wrestlers who are top 5 lightweights to give him a proper fight , it mental seems like the only division lacking killer wrestlers , welter weight is stacked with them

yourdeadwright · 08-09-2019 7:16pm

chin nuts wrote: »

Gaejthe v khabib is the fight for me. Gaejthe has an incredible wrestling background even though he never utilises it in his fights. Khabib couldn't stand and trade with a crazy man like that but I reckon gaejthe could have a few answer for him on the ground. Tony has to be next tho.

Conor needs to work his way back in. Some tough fights for him at this division. Tony gaejthe even poirer is a different fighter than when last fought Conor.

Styles make fights and Gaejthe is the best wrestler near the top ,
Currently id only lile to see Khabib v Justin or Tony.no other fights are intresting at lightweight

Welter weight is a whole different story a good few lads whod give Khabib.huge problems

spix · 08-09-2019 9:19pm

I don't give Khabib much chance against Ferguson. 3 of Khabibs recent opponents have been ex 145lbers unproven against wrestlers, is it really any surprise he was able to control them so well on the ground? Tony has been successful at 170 against bigger guys, stopped people Khabib has gone to decisions against and been successful against wrestlers. He'd also be the longest opponent khabib has faced which means he'll be shooting from further away. And if he does get him down, Tony is by far the biggest submission threat out of any of Khabibs past opponents. In fact if you take Khabibs 5 past opponents, Tony has more submission wins than them all combined...and Dustin almost got him with a guillotine. I can see why Khabib was reluctant to say Tony is next. I think he fights Mcgregor again before that fight ever happens, his management will probably make sure of it.

rob316 · 08-09-2019 11:04pm

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

Conor beats Khabib 9 times out of 10. You can not deny that.

What evidence from the last fight can you garner that lends to that statement?

McGregor has one win in the LW division, granted he has only fought twice but people go on like he's the greatest LW. I guarantee you he will struggle to beat the top 5 lightweights they have great endurance and if you take Conor past 2 rounds he tires very quickly.

The guy he beat for the LW belt, Eddie Alvarez doesn't even fight in the UFC anymore.

UFC 242: Khabib Nurmagomedov vs Dustin Poirier [7 Sep, 19:00]

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