Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

Hurrache · 21-09-2020 1:26pm

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

We locked the country down in March and now where are we?

You tell us

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

lockdowns will kill a lot more than the actual virus.

How many died because of the lockdown in comparison with the virus, must be at least 2,000?

Hector Savage · 21-09-2020 1:27pm

Deleted User wrote: »

One the vulnerable and healthcare workers are vaccinated, the approach will definitely be to let it ride

You think once the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated, they will remove quarantines ?
My thinking is the restrictions are mainly so hospitals won't collapse, if the above is done then it's unlikely they will be overwhelmed - so in theory no real need for restrictions ...

Hurrache · 21-09-2020 1:27pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Younger people don't see the virus as serious because from day 1 the government made it clear that it only really affects older people and people with underlying health issues.

The government is to blame regarding the attitude of some people towards the virus.

Can't blame our government, or any, as the virus was new and little was known about it, and even know there's so many unknowns.

eagle eye · 21-09-2020 1:33pm

Hector Savage wrote:

You think once the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated, they will remove quarantines ? My thinking is the restrictions are mainly so hospitals won't collapse, if the above is done then it's unlikely they will be overwhelmed - so in theory no real need for restrictions ...

This is exactly what's going on. They don't care so long as the hospitals can handle it. We are heading to a situation where that won't be possible in maybe a months time.

eagle eye · 21-09-2020 1:34pm

Hurrache wrote:

Can't blame our government, or any, as the virus was new and little was known about it, and even know there's so many unknowns.

Well when you look at New Zealand and how well they've done under a great leader then you can look at your own government and blame them

DangerScouse · 21-09-2020 1:34pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Younger people don't see the virus as serious because from day 1 the government made it clear that it only really affects older people and people with underlying health issues.

The government is to blame regarding the attitude of some people towards the virus.

Nah personal responsibility seems to have gone out the window for a lot of people. You see it all around you in society even well before the virus was on our doorsteps.

Wingman2010 · 21-09-2020 1:36pm

Widdensushi wrote: »

I miss those early beers

We all do. I think they may have got to the source of the leak.

AdamD · 21-09-2020 1:36pm

GooglePlus wrote: »

You're missing the point. We might have ordered, but the production lines won't handle such vast amounts of demand. Regardless of the order locked in, we won't get it all in one go.

I'm not, I'm saying its going to hit the poorer nations.

screamer · 21-09-2020 1:36pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I've seen some ridiculous posts from people that hold a myriad of differing opinion but congratulations your comment to-date is by far the most stupid I have read here.

We must be reading a different thread then, because there are far more stupid, bordering on conspiracy theory posts on this thread than that. Every day same old s****e out of them..... I think it’s not a bad idea, put your money where your mouth is, bet not a single one of them would chance it, but here people who follow guidelines and advise are berated daily...

screamer · 21-09-2020 1:38pm

Wingman2010 wrote: »

We all do. I think they may have got to the source of the leak.

Pubs open soon, be plenty of Extra beers going around in another while.....

mandrake04 · 21-09-2020 1:39pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Well when you look at New Zealand and how well they've done under a great leader then you can look at your own government and blame them

Shhh Don't mention NZ, people on here don't want hear that sort of stuff.

podgeandrodge · 21-09-2020 1:40pm

I think if there were a hypothetical referendum on "lockdown" or "let it rip/watch yourself if you're vulnerable/social distancing/hand washing by everyone", the latter would win. Regardless of threat to health service or deaths being front loaded.

That's what I think. Not making a moral judgement.

spookwoman · 21-09-2020 1:40pm

Hurrache wrote: »

Can't blame our government, or any, as the virus was new and little was known about it, and even know there's so many unknowns.

If it's an unknown you either say we don't know or don't say anything at all.
Look how they handled the face masks at the start, basically lied because of a shortage of PPE and they didn't want people using them.

GooglePlus · 21-09-2020 1:41pm

AdamD wrote: »

I'm not, I'm saying its going to hit the poorer nations.

The study, which was carried out by the driving force behind eventual manufacture, has said that only 2 billion doses can be distributed per year. That's two doses for 1 billion people, as the vaccine requires two vials of injection.

Even if you remove the poorest countries in the world, we are still going to be affected by this bottleneck.

drunkmonkey · 21-09-2020 1:42pm

eagle eye wrote: »

This is exactly what's going on. They don't care so long as the hospitals can handle it. We are heading to a situation where that won't be possible in maybe a months time.

This time last year we had 10,000 people on trolleys, now we have 200 people on trolleys with another 700,000 waiting to get in.
The hospitals haven't coped in a long time, Covid or no Covid.

Hurrache · 21-09-2020 1:42pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Well when you look at New Zealand and how well they've done under a great leader then you can look at your own government and blame them

Again, nothing to do with the government, you know the reasons why, and the differences between Ireland and New Zealand.

Plumbthedepths · 21-09-2020 1:44pm

mandrake04 wrote: »

Shhh Don't mention NZ, people on here don't want hear that sort of stuff.

An island thousands of miles from its nearest neighbour with just one government. That sums up NZ.

ACitizenErased · 21-09-2020 1:44pm

Heard today that the increase in Cork numbers are related to a workplace cluster in Wilton and a nursing home on the northside of the city

Hurrache · 21-09-2020 1:45pm

spookwoman wrote: »

If it's an unknown you either say we don't know or don't say anything at all.

Ok everyone, see with all those things we don't know yet? Time to burn our masks, no bother with restrictions, and you can go back to having snotty fingers again. No point in doing anything until we have all the answers.
See you on the other side.

ACitizenErased · 21-09-2020 1:47pm

spookwoman wrote: »

If it's an unknown you either say we don't know or don't say anything at all.
Look how they handled the face masks at the start, basically lied because of a shortage of PPE and they didn't want people using them.

You think they lied about face masks? I thought this wasn’t a conspiracy thread

Strumms · 21-09-2020 1:47pm

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

I think most people can see how serious it can be for some, but the majority it does not impact significantly

It makes no sense to lock down 95% of the population who it does not seriously impact, to protect the other 5%.

Need to protect the vulnerable and crack on - lockdowns will kill a lot more than the actual virus.

We locked the country down in March and now where are we? Pretty much back where we were....

Lockdown doesnt kill, that utter rubbish, a disgustingly disingenuous argument. Back to reality...the virus sure can kill, make very ill, or if not have that personal impact on everyone it’s still spreading as a contagion with potential to kill and make large health casualties.

95% & 5% , any significant facts to back this up ? numbers I’m reading in the uk suggested that closer to 30% die.

Have to be vigilant and disciplined.

GooglePlus · 21-09-2020 1:48pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You think they lied about face masks? I thought this wasn’t a conspiracy thread

Are you sure it's not, there seems to be a lot of ignorance towards valid sources and studies?

DebDynamite · 21-09-2020 1:49pm

Just heard an ad there for Little Mix playing the 3 Arena 28th April...tickets going on sale this Friday. Surely that couldn’t go ahead? Maybe because i’ve already written off this year, April doesn’t seem so far away, so I don’t know what will be different by then.

They’re going on tour, so maybe they could play other European countries, and canceling Dublin wouldn’t be a huge deal, it if came to that. Would be great if we were in a position where things like this can go ahead.

Just to add, I wouldn’t exactly be a fan or anything (though they do have good tunes!), but it’s the first gig I’ve being announced that wasn’t a rescheduled thing, so just wondering how it could all work out.

Widdensushi · 21-09-2020 1:50pm

Hospital figures starting to show an increase

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0921/1166526-coronavirus-ireland/

We have had long enough to set up facilities to do more tests rather than sending them to Germany surely.

bb1234567 · 21-09-2020 1:50pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Younger people don't see the virus as serious because from day 1 the government made it clear that it only really affects older people and people with underlying health issues.

The government is to blame regarding the attitude of some people towards the virus.

Do you think they should have lied about who it affects?

The government went about this well, they said it is important to maintain caution in order to protect the vulnerable you may pass it on to. I don't see how else you could instill any sense of caution in younger people who will in all likelihood will not experience illness of any severity after contracting covid

GooglePlus · 21-09-2020 1:51pm

DebDynamite wrote: »

Just heard an ad there for Little Mix playing the 3 Arena...tickets going on sale this Friday. Surely that couldn’t go ahead? Maybe because i’ve already written off this year, April doesn’t seem so far away, so I don’t know what will be different by then.

They’re going on tour, so maybe they could play other European countries, and canceling Dublin wouldn’t be a huge deal, it if came to that. Would be great if we were in a position where things like this can go ahead.

Just to add, I wouldn’t exactly be a fan or anything (though they do have good tunes!), but it’s the first gig I’ve being announced that wasn’t a rescheduled thing, so just wondering how it could all work out.

It's a great way to get cashflow and then push the concert down the road with rescheduled dates.

ixoy · 21-09-2020 1:52pm

DebDynamite wrote: »

Just heard an ad there for Little Mix playing the 3 Arena...tickets going on sale this Friday. Surely that couldn’t go ahead? Maybe because i’ve already written off this year, April doesn’t seem so far away, so I don’t know what will be different by then.

What's the harm in living in hope that it does go on? April is half a year away and it could all look very different and hopefully will be.

It's not the only thing by the way - Dublin Comic Con has their Spring edition scheduled for mid-March.

Widdensushi · 21-09-2020 1:52pm

Strumms wrote: »

Lockdown doesnt kill, that utter rubbish, a disgustingly disingenuous argument. Back to reality...the virus sure can kill, make very ill, or if not have that personal impact on everyone it’s still spreading as a contagion with potential to kill and make large health casualties.

95% & 5% , any significant facts to back this up ? numbers I’m reading in the uk suggested that closer to 30% die.

Have to be vigilant and disciplined.

30% of what die?

ACitizenErased · 21-09-2020 1:52pm

Widdensushi wrote: »

Hospital figures starting to show an increase

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0921/1166526-coronavirus-ireland/

We have had long enough to set up facilities to do more tests rather than sending them to Germany surely.

We’ve had 3-4 months, 0 increase in capacity

JP Liz V1 · 21-09-2020 1:53pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Heard today that the increase in Cork numbers are related to a workplace cluster in Wilton and a nursing home on the northside of the city

Skibbereen also has a cluster but not sure how true that is

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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