Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

Away With The Fairies

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's their lives the ultimate responsibility is with them, it's not Moronic, if I was at risk I wouldn't be depending on you to save me.

That's absolutely bull**** how responsibility lies with the person with the condition. What about their family who can catch covid and bring it home?

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drunkmonkey wrote: »

Have we any idea for how long that protection might last?

Probably won't know until the test subjects are tested again later on.

drunkmonkey

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

What about 20 year olds who are healthy? Look what happened to this 20 something year old who was healthy before being hospitalised with covid.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/coronavirus-woman-double-lung-transplant-chicago/

Your at the extreme end there it's highly unlikely that's going to happen, it wouldn't surprise me if that person had CF, Even if they didn't have CF I was surprised they were allowed jump the que.
Have you another example of it happening in the other 7.594 billion of us?

Hurrache

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Your at the extreme end there it's highly unlikely that's going to happen, it wouldn't surprise me if that person had CF, Even if they didn't have CF I was surprised they were allowed jump the que.
Have you another example of it happening in the other 7.594 billion of us?

Fingers in your ears, again.

charlietheminxx

I posted this in the testing thread but didn't get any feedback, hoping someone here can help:

Has anyone had any trouble getting referred for a test?

I phoned the GP this morning because what was a mildly sore throat yesterday has escalated into a nasty cough. The GP is backlogged so I had to fill out an assessment form on their website for a call back, but when I submitted it said that their current call back time is 24 hours.

Did this happen to anyone else? Is there anywhere I can phone to get referred for a test faster?

Funsterdelux

charlietheminxx wrote: »

I posted this in the testing thread but didn't get any feedback, hoping someone here can help:

Has anyone had any trouble getting referred for a test?

I phoned the GP this morning because what was a mildly sore throat yesterday has escalated into a nasty cough. The GP is backlogged so I had to fill out an assessment form on their website for a call back, but when I submitted it said that their current call back time is 24 hours.

Did this happen to anyone else? Is there anywhere I can phone to get referred for a test faster?

Try a different gp, if your not registered at a gp you can just call anyone. Im assuming your not registered wink wink

drunkmonkey

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

That's absolutely bull**** how responsibility lies with the person with the condition. What about their family who can catch covid and bring it home?

Again that's the responsibility of their close family. You have to take personal responsibility as with everything in life. You can't depend on other people as we witness every day.
Don't misunderstand that and think I'm advocating killing people, it's just a realistic view of the world, at risk people don't need to be told it's up to them they already know it and are taking the necessary precautions.

drunkmonkey

Hurrache wrote: »

Fingers in your ears, again.

Keep on trolling, welcome to my ignore list your in good company.

smellyoldboot

MadYaker wrote: »

Paul Reid from the HSE reckons this adds up to about a third of the population.

And the assumption by idiots like inebriated primate is that the other 66% of society can just get on with unfettered while leaving these "undesirables" to fend for themselves. None of whom of course have any children, grandchildren, spouses, siblings or hold employment positions important to our society and economy in this idiotic fantasy world.

Roger_007

landofthetree wrote: »

What if a vaccine doesnt arrive in 2021 or even 2022?

What then?

I've supported the measures/lockdown so far but if our only exit strategy is wait for a vaccine it will eventually lead to major unrest.

No government in the western world can keep lockdown going for years.

There is far too much emphasis on a vaccine being only months away. We have no guarantee of that. No vaccine has ever been successfully developed for any coronavirus.
Even if some kind of vaccine is put on the market in the short term, it could not be guaranteed to be safe because it takes many years to prove that a vaccine is both safe and effective. This is because new vaccines can have long term side effects which don’t become obvious immediately. There is also the probability of manufacturing defects in the early stages of mass production.
If a vaccine became available tomorrow, I would not be rushing out to get it.

What Username Guidelines

drunkmonkey wrote: »

High risk groups
The list of people in high risk groups includes people who:

• are over 60 years of age
• have a learning disability
• have a lung condition that's not severe (such as asthma, COPD, emphysema or bronchitis)
• have heart disease (such as heart failure)
• have high blood pressure (hypertension)
• have diabetes
• have chronic kidney disease
• have liver disease (such as hepatitis)
• have a medical condition that can affect your breathing
• have cancer
• have clinically stable cystic fibrosis
• have a weak immune system (immunosuppressed)
• have cerebrovascular disease
• have a condition affecting your brain or nerves (such as Parkinson's disease, motor neurone disease, multiple sclerosis, or cerebral palsy)
• have a problem with your spleen or have had your spleen removed
• have a condition that means you have a high risk of getting infections (such as HIV, lupus or scleroderma)
• are taking medicine that can affect your immune system (such as low doses of steroids)
• have obesity
• are residents of nursing homes and other long-stay settings
• are in specialist disability care and are over 50 years of age or have an underlying health problem.

Subtract all of those people from the total population and you're talking about 60% of people left, maybe even less. Assuming you can even shield successfully, which is utterly impossible. What does that do?

Jim_Hodge

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Subtract all of those people from the total population and you're talking about 60% of people left, maybe even less. Assuming you can even shield successfully, which is utterly impossible. What does that do?

And image every person over 60 giving up work and being told that's it lads, life as you knew it is over.

Longing

A deal with a German lab to create “surge capacity” to carry out up to 2,000 additional Covid-19 tests a day. If required. So it looks like we will be waiting on numbers from Germany once again. This will make cases more sporadic when they start coming back.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/struggling-hse-agrees-deal-with-german-lab-to-boost-covid-19-testing-capacity-1.4359975

titan18

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

And image every person over 60 giving up work and being told that's it lads, life as you knew it is over.

You'd be losing a feckload of teachers, doctors etc with that too. What's the plan then, cram more kids into the other classes?

podgeandrodge

Deleted User wrote: »

The masks have been removed for social gatherings in restaurants, gastropubs and mothers' coffee shop meetings where, unimpressed by the space required to place full meals, they huddle more closely as they exchange chat. I've been observing it a lot. These (particularly middle-class) mums have just come from leaving the kids at school and catching up on the latest, typically in groups of 3/4. That is just one seemingly innocent way that it could have been spreading.

Sure. But wasn't this happening a fair bit before the masks were brought in so why the sudden upsurge from August?

Longing

Longing wrote: »

A deal with a German lab to create “surge capacity” to carry out up to 2,000 additional Covid-19 tests a day. If required. So it looks like we will be waiting on numbers from Germany once again. This will make cases more sporadic when they start coming back.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/struggling-hse-agrees-deal-with-german-lab-to-boost-covid-19-testing-capacity-1.4359975

You would imagine they would direct the monitoring testing to the German labs and keep the irish labs for the hospital, symptomatic and close contact testing which is more likely to be positive requiring quicker action

drunkmonkey

smellyoldboot wrote: »

And the assumption by idiots like inebriated primate believe that the other 66% of society can just get on with unfettered while leaving these "undesirables to fend for themselves. None of whom of course have any children, grandchildren, spouses, siblings or hold employment positions important to our society and economy in this idiotic fantasy world.

You completely misunderstand my view, they need to be protected and should be until we can build immunity if that's even possible to achieve. Looking at Sweden it seems possible now we know what mistakes to avoid.
One of the suggestion was that care home staff cut all outside contacts for 8 weeks while this blows through. Maybe look at something similar for health care staff.
I'm in no way advocating throwing the vunrable to the dogs. Just exploring different ideas instead of this whack a mole government strategy.

MadYaker

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Subtract all of those people from the total population and you're talking about 60% of people left, maybe even less. Assuming you can even shield successfully, which is utterly impossible. What does that do?

The economy and society wouldn't be able to function properly.

funnydoggy

Roger_007 wrote: »

There is far too much emphasis on a vaccine being only months away. We have no guarantee of that. No vaccine has ever been successfully developed for any coronavirus.
Even if some kind of vaccine is put on the market in the short term, it could not be guaranteed to be safe because it takes many years to prove that a vaccine is both safe and effective. This is because new vaccines can have long term side effects which don’t become obvious immediately. There is also the probability of manufacturing defects in the early stages of mass production.
If a vaccine became available tomorrow, I would not be rushing out to get it.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058062347


A vaccine is on the way.

Hurrache

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Keep on trolling, welcome to my ignore list your in good company.

Facts, to be ignored. It's how you operate.

DebDynamite

MadYaker wrote: »

Paul Reid from the HSE reckons this adds up to about a third of the population.

When all this is over, we seriously need to look at how unhealthy we are as a nation.

drunkmonkey

DebDynamite wrote: »

Whe all this is over, we seriously need to look at how unhealthy we are as a nation.

I've just read obesity levels are on the rise here, I'm in no way surprised. Time for a cycle I reckon, have to work off all those €9 meals from the weekend.

wellwhynot

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

What about 20 year olds who are healthy? Look what happened to this 20 something year old who was healthy before being hospitalised with covid.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/coronavirus-woman-double-lung-transplant-chicago/

That is one case. There is always a risk with any virus or infection that the organs become inflamed. Nothing new there. Thankfully we haven’t heard anything similar happening in Ireland or even Europe.

ACitizenErased

billybonkers wrote: »

No chance we see a vaccine here before end of 2021 at the absolute earliest

Uhhhh disagree

theballz

DebDynamite wrote: »

When all this is over, we seriously need to look at how unhealthy we are as a nation.

We probably shouldn't wait until this is over.

Roger_007

DebDynamite wrote: »

Whe all this is over, we seriously need to look at how unhealthy we are as a nation.

We all seem to have suddenly become aware that as you get older you become more susceptible to all sorts of illnesses and eventually you will get something that you cannot survive.
There is nothing all that different about Covid19. It’s just another possible cause of death and if you check the statistics on the causes of death for this year it wouldn’t rate very highly on the league table. Cancer, heart disease and strokes will still account for the vast majority of deaths. In fact Covid19 should not be feared all that much because it is so survivable in the vast, vast majority of cases.

Away With The Fairies

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Your at the extreme end there it's highly unlikely that's going to happen, it wouldn't surprise me if that person had CF, Even if they didn't have CF I was surprised they were allowed jump the que.
Have you another example of it happening in the other 7.594 billion of us?

What do you mean it's highly unlikely that's going to happen?

Because it did happen.

Or are you talking about how special Ireland is and somehow the virus knows if you're Irish or not and if you're Irish, you're grand?

eagle eye

drunkmonkey wrote:

One of the suggestion was that care home staff cut all outside contacts for 8 weeks while this blows through. Maybe look at something similar for health care staff. I'm in no way advocating throwing the vunrable to the dogs. Just exploring different ideas instead of this whack a mole government strategy.

Very fair of you to tell healthcare workers to lock down while the gob****es who are causing the issue get away with carrying on as they are. Did you think that one through before you posted?

charlietheminxx

charlietheminxx wrote: »

I posted this in the testing thread but didn't get any feedback, hoping someone here can help:

Has anyone had any trouble getting referred for a test?

I phoned the GP this morning because what was a mildly sore throat yesterday has escalated into a nasty cough. The GP is backlogged so I had to fill out an assessment form on their website for a call back, but when I submitted it said that their current call back time is 24 hours.

Did this happen to anyone else? Is there anywhere I can phone to get referred for a test faster?

Any GP can arrange a test, so you could try another. Or wait until after 6pm and contact the out of hours service for your area

landofthetree

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Uhhhh disagree

We may have a vaccine. But there is a chance we wont have one in 2021.

Hope isn't a strategy. We need a plan B if a vaccine doesn't happen in 2021.