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If the Green Party got into government are they mad

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  • #102
    Jupiter Mulligan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 525 ✭✭✭Jupiter Mulligan


    Mancomb Seepgood wrote: »
    If you believe we face a serious environmental crisis,then saving the planet is a real world problem.It also affects so many aspects of everyday life:unstable weather patterns affect food prices,insurance costs are affected by extreme weather events.The fines that are coming down the line will be paid for out of taxation,the only question is how that will be paid for.

    Believing that the planet faces a serious environmental crisis is one thing.

    Believing that a small nation like Ireland can do much about it is delusional.

    The EU fines that are coming down the line are for the environmental crimes that we committed in 2008 & 2009. There's not much point in deluding people into believing that if we clean up our act now we'll avoid having to pay them.

    But this thread is about what the Greens will do if in Governement - not about the bigger picture.


  • #103
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    I think you need to stop pointing at China, you can't compare 5 million people with over a billion and expect them to have the same CO2. As I already posted China is doing a lot more than anything Ireland is doing


    Am I a D4 teenager in a leafy suburbs?



    You seem to have a major chip on your shoulder with people who have managed to get a decent job and make a living for themselves.



    You don't need to spend 10's of thousands, small changes can make a big difference. How many houses in Ireland haven't bothered buying a few rolls of insulation and sticking into the attic? changing to eco bulbs

    Changing insulation and eco bulbs,which are most lilely shipped from.china is drop in the ocean stuff surely?


  • #104
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    _blaaz wrote: »
    Changing insulation and eco bulbs,which are most lilely shipped from.china is drop in the ocean stuff surely?


    If every house in Ireland changed to energy saver bulbs and increased attic insulation the culumative effect could be huge


    Sitting on your arse complaining and saying it is everyone else's fault with do nothing.


  • #105
    Macha
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,376 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    Nobelium wrote: »
    So it's all about paying carbon taxes for the wealthy, who won't have to pay a cent . .

    How many hard pushed working families in the real world, commuting long distances to work every day, through no choice, can afford to switch to a new battery powered cars every couple of years ? How many will be able to afford to spend 10's of thousands along with some grants, retro-fitting competely new heating and power systems etc. ? You're living in cloud cookoo land like the green party. An awful lot of people trying to pay a mortgage and bring up a family can barely afford a fill of oil to heat their houses in one of the dampest, darkest wettest countries in Europe. You sound like some spoiled teenager in a Dublin 4 bedroom with no idea of reality.

    Meanwhile all the real C02 polluters like the energy companies, and multinational corporations, and countries like China etc. get away without paying a cent.
    You know, what's really sad is that a lot of the problems you've just highlighted would be exactly what the Green Party would tackle - and if their policiee had been implemented, they would have been avoided.

    - bad planning means people live miles away from amenities and work, meaning they have to buy and run one or even two cars. Spending two hours a day sitting in traffic (breathing in car fumes), paying more for childcare to cover this time, it's just such a drain on quality of life.
    - poor building regulations means people are living in badly insulated houses and vulnerable to increased costs of fossil fuels (we get around 90% of our gas from a single pipe from Scotland - and the North Sea reserves are declining.

    Good green policies would invest in resolving these issues exactly by taxing the big polluters. Does it make more sense to pay around €6 billion a year importing polluting fossil fuels or taking some of that money and investing it in insulating our houses so people are more confortable and have lower bills?


  • #106
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    If every house in Ireland changed to energy saver bulbs and increased attic insulation the culumative effect could be huge


    Sitting on your arse complaining and saying it is everyone else's fault with do nothing.

    But would the carbon used to ship these items from.china not offset most of benefit??



    Noone is saying they wont make a difference,but saying ignore china and most goods you want to use to improve situation come from there... seems ridclous?



    Imo best way to reduce waste/pollution is everyone stop buying tatt/crap online and getting it shipped to.them.....consumerism.is the problem,not few lightbulbs in peoples house


  • #107
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    _blaaz wrote: »
    But would the carbon used to ship these items from.china not offset most of benefit??



    Noone is saying they wont make a difference,but saying ignore china and most goods you want to use to improve situation seems ridclous?



    Imo best way to reduce waste/pollution is everyone stop buying tatt/crap online and getting it shipped to.them.....consumerism.is the problem,not few lightbulbs in peoples house


    Who said ignore China, I asked what is the carbon per person in China compared to Ireland?

    I love the Irish attitude, point the finger and blame someone else while sitting doing nothing to resolve the problem local. What happens when the rest of the World has hit targets and we are still sitting here doing nothing? you still going to point the finger at China?

    If Irish people are unwilling to change a few light bulbs and put in some insulation then to be honest I would back the government to tax the ass out of everyone.


  • #108
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Who said ignore China, I asked what is the carbon per person in China compared to Ireland?

    I love the Irish attitude, point the finger and blame someone else while sitting doing nothing to resolve the problem local. What happens when the rest of the World has hit targets and we are still sitting here doing nothing? you still going to point the finger at China?

    If Irish people are unwilling to change a few light bulbs and put in some insulation then to be honest I would back the government to tax the ass out of everyone.

    But you havnt answered.....will the carbon used to bring them.to ireland....offset any benefits here??



    I dont really see point in ranting at me,when you wont even acknowledge basic questions about carbon usage in relation to shipping stuff here......


    I broadly support green policies......but unless there is a consorted effort to tackle rampant consumerism.....


    Changing a few lightbulbs is same as shouting at crows,while pigs have broken into the field of potatoes


  • #109
    Jupiter Mulligan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 525 ✭✭✭Jupiter Mulligan


    _blaaz wrote: »
    But you havnt answered.....will the carbon used to bring them.to ireland....offset any benefits here??



    I dont really see point in ranting at me,when you wont even acknowledge basic questions about carbon usage in relation to shipping stuff here......


    I broadly support green policies......but unless there is a consorted effort to tackle rampant consumerism.....


    Changing a few lightbulbs is same as shouting at crows,while pigs have broken into the field of potatoes


    But it's virtue signalling, and that's what really impresses the youth of today.


    My last 10 led bulbs came from China so their carbon footprint is probably almost as big as Eamon Ryan's was following his drive from Dublin to Castlebar to Cork and back to Dublin a fortnight ago to attend the two European counts.


  • #110
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    _blaaz wrote: »
    But you havnt answered.....will the carbon used to bring them.to ireland....offset any benefits here??



    I dont really see point in ranting at me,when you wont even acknowledge even basic questions about carbon usage in relation to shipping stuff here......


    I broadly support green policies......but unless there is a consorted effort to tackle rampant consumerism.....


    Changing a few lightbulbs is same as shouting at crows,while pigs have broken into the field of potatoes

    Who is ranting?

    You are talking about the carbon used for shipping? Why would they stop any benefits? Do you think each bulb is sent on a plane on its own?

    As I already said if every house swapped then the cumulative effect would be great...

    How would you describe doing nothing?


  • #111
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Macha wrote: »
    You know, what's really sad is that a lot of the problems you've just highlighted would be exactly what the Green Party would tackle

    Bollocks. The green party had their chance 2007-2011 and instead screwed generations of Irish people to pay for their cronie capitalism. They supported and defended, and propped up FF and the banksters corruption to the hilt. The same green party that got us all driving diesel cars to support their cronies in the SIMI and the Germans.


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  • #112
    _blaaz
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Who is ranting?

    You are talking about the carbon used for shipping? Why would they stop any benefits? Do you think each bulb is sent on a plane on its own?

    Noone said it would stop any benefits...but will it not offset any benefits???,surely lightbulbs manufactered here would be better.....the problem.is western governments have outsourced supplying consumer products to china....unless you tackle this (and rampant consumerism,its gross btw) your fighting an uphill battle that wont be won
    As I already said if every house swapped then the cumulative effect would be great...

    How would you describe doing nothing?

    It would be great for bills etc...but as regards overall carbon benefits of it....i remain skeptical,the fact you dont even want to grasp.that nettle suggests enough



    How.would i describe doing nothing????ignoring.rampant consumerism.and shouting down anyone who suggests this might be a more pressing concern that few lightbulbs


  • #113
    Jupiter Mulligan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 525 ✭✭✭Jupiter Mulligan


    In fairness, the kid is right.

    If every bulb was switched to led and if every house was to be properly insulated, then the reduction in the demand for electricity just might lead to Electric Ireland stopping its turf-burning stations. Which would be really great for the environment.

    (Although the unemployed turf cutters and ESB workers mightn't be too impressed.)


  • #114
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »
    In fairness, the kid is right.

    If every bulb was switched to led and if every house was to be properly insulated, then the reduction in the demand for electricity just might lead to Electric Ireland stopping its turf-burning stations. Which would be really great for the environment.

    (Although the unemployed turf cutters and ESB workers mightn't be too impressed.)

    That won't stop the green party getting us to pay extortionate carbon taxes so the rich and their international corporations won't have to.

    Also where's all the massive power demands that electric cars are going to require come from ?


  • #115
    Jupiter Mulligan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 525 ✭✭✭Jupiter Mulligan


    Nobelium wrote: »

    Also where's all the massive power demands that electric cars are going to require come from ?

    Nuclear energy? ;)


  • #116
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Nobelium wrote: »
    That won't stop the green party getting us to pay extortionate carbon taxes so the rich and their international corporations won't have to.

    Also where's all the massive power demands that electric cars are going to require come from ?

    If you knew about the grid the biggest issue in Ireland and in the uk is peaks....in the UK they have the kettle issue which costs a fortune....the recent example I was given was the baking show on C4, at the break you might have 4 million + people flick on the kettle, this causes a huge power demand so they have to ramp up supply then bring it down....power supply companies want a level demand

    Car charging at night time will use over supply from wind electricity is one suggestion....also a 60kWh battery car will cover over 300km so would not require nightly charge, some percentage of population, maybe below 5% might still require combustion engines but a huge percentage in Dublin could swap today without any issues

    Smart meters will be able to assist with this transition


  • #117
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Shefwedfan wrote: »

    Car charging at night time will use over supply from wind electricity is one suggestion....also a 60kWh battery car will cover over 300km so would not require nightly charge, some percentage of population, maybe below 5% might still require combustion engines but a huge percentage in Dublin could swap today without any issues

    Smart meters will be able to assist with this transition

    The fossil fuel / nuclear power stations will be required to meet the demand if everyone they want to switches to electric cars. Also as soon they have enough people committed who can't easily switch back, the price of electricity will skyrocket.


  • #118
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »
    Nuclear energy? ;)

    Waves, wind and solar are all option. A irish company are experts in this area...they have more or less left now to work in Africa and Europe....says a lot


  • #119
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Nobelium wrote: »
    Dung. The fossil fuel / nuclear power stations will be required to meet the demand.

    Based on what?

    Do you have details of current and projected power requirements?

    As above a Irish company said they could power the whole of Europe with renewable power


  • #120
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Waves, wind and solar are all option. A irish company are experts in this area...they have more or less left now to work in Africa and Europe....says a lot

    renewable can assist, but are still never going to be able to meet the massive demands of the majority of cars going electric. Reminds me of the time, not so long ago, that the green party told us diesel cars were the way to go.


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  • #121
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Nobelium wrote: »
    renewable can assist, but are still never going to be able to meet the massive demands of the majority of cars going electric. Reminds me of the time, not so long ago, that the green party told us diesel cars were the way to go.

    A few years ago people where told the car would never replace the horse....like your statement that is history

    https://www.mainstreamrp.com/

    Maybe have a read


  • #122
    Macha
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,376 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    Nobelium wrote: »
    Bollocks. The green party had their chance 2007-2011 and instead screwed generations of Irish people to pay for their cronie capitalism. They supported and defended, and propped up FF and the banksters corruption to the hilt. The same green party that got us all driving diesel cars to support their cronies in the SIMI and the Germans.

    Oh you think 3 years in power AFTER all the shoddy houss were built in the middle of nowhere should have been enough to turn it around? Right, gotcha.

    You're talking nonsense about the diesel issue too. At the time, the knowledge was that diesel cars were lower carbon. It has since been shown that the car companies were lying through their teeth. But go ahead and blame the Greens for evidence - based policy making.

    This country is an absolute shambles compared to other countries in terms of planning, housing stock, public transport etc. But yeah, you can keep grumbling about lightbulbs for the two extra hours you spend commuting every day, breathing in toxic fumes, heading home to your poorly insulated house that costs a fortune to keep warm.

    Glad you got your priorities right.


  • #123
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    A few years ago people where told the car would never replace the horse....like your statement that is history

    https://www.mainstreamrp.com/

    Maybe have a read

    straw manning as usual. I've no doubt cronie capitalism will force most of the western world to switch to electric cars, but they will still be largely powered by fossil fuel / nuclear. It's about which corporations control energy, and in reality, they don't give a shyte about the environment.


  • #124
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Macha wrote: »
    Oh you think 3 years in power AFTER all the shoddy houss were built in the middle of nowhere should have been enough to turn it around? Right, gotcha.

    You're talking nonsense about the diesel issue too. At the time, the knowledge was that diesel cars were lower carbon. It has since been shown that the car companies were lying through their teeth. But go ahead and blame the Greens for evidence - based policy making.

    This country is an absolute shambles compared to other countries in terms of planning, housing stock, public transport etc. But yeah, you can keep grumbling about lightbulbs for the two extra hours you spend commuting every day, breathing in toxic fumes, heading home to your poorly insulated house that costs a fortune to keep warm.

    Glad you got your priorities right.

    The green party are proven liars, and had their chance


  • #125
    Macha
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,376 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    Nobelium wrote: »
    The green party are proven liars, and had their chance
    I think the phrase cutting off your nose to spite your face was coined for exactly this kind of attitude.

    Also, maybe try actually answering one of my points. Your doing the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting at me.


  • #126
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Nobelium wrote: »
    straw manning as usual. I've no doubt cronie capitalism will force most of the western world to switch to electric cars, but they will still be largely powered by fossil fuel / nuclear. It's about which corporations control energy, and in reality, they don't give a shyte about the environment.

    You have yet to post a single fact or anything to backup your posts

    Standard rant posts....point the finger at everyone else, it’s their fault etc


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  • #127
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    You have yet to post a single fact or anything to backup your posts

    Standard rant posts....point the finger at everyone else, it’s their fault etc

    No. 1 Fact - renewable energy will only be powering a fraction of all the electric cars when the majority of people switch over to them.

    No. 2 Fact - the green party consisted of, supported, propped up, and defended one of the most corrupt Irish governments ever seen. A government that ruined thousands of lives, and forced thousands of young people to emigrate, and forced those that remained, and their future generations to pay off their fraudulent banking and cronie capitalism debts.

    No. 3 Fact - the green party are only interested in carbon taxing those working people in Ireland who can lease afford it. No mention of going after the worst polluters, the rich and their corporations, nor holding anyone else to account.


  • #128
    Macha
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,376 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    Nobelium wrote: »
    No. 1 Fact - renewable energy will only be powering a fraction of all the electric cars when the majority of people switch over to them.
    Incorrect. We have a target for renewables to make up almost half of our electrity supply by 2030. Moreover, any improvements in power generation are automatically populated through the electric vehicle fleet. Compare that to a standard combustion engine fleet that takes 10-20 years to replace with improved designs.
    No. 3 Fact - the green party are only interested in carbon taxing those working people in Ireland who can lease afford it. No mention of going after the worst polluters, the rich and their corporations, nor holding anyone else to account.
    Utter nonsense. Where are you getting this stuff from?


  • #129
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,323 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Nobelium wrote: »
    No. 1 Fact - renewable energy will only be powering a fraction of all the electric cars when the majority of people switch over to them.

    No. 2 Fact - the green party consisted of, supported, propped up, and defended one of the most corrupt Irish governments ever seen. A government that ruined thousands of lives, and forced thousands of young people to emigrate, and forced those that remained, and their future generations to pay off their fraudulent banking and cronie capitalism debts.

    No. 3 Fact - the green party are only interested in carbon taxing those working people in Ireland who can lease afford it. No mention of going after the worst polluters, the rich and their corporations, nor holding anyone else to account.

    None of those are facts, they are opinions.

    In relation to the first one, improvements in battery storage for home generation will change the equation.


  • #130
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Macha wrote: »
    Incorrect. We have a target for renewables to make up almost half of our electrity supply by 2030. Moreover, any improvements in power generation are automatically populated through the electric vehicle fleet. Compare that to a standard combustion engine fleet that takes 10-20 years to replace with improved designs.

    So in other words, even the TARGET figure acknowledges knows the majority of power will not be from renewables. lol
    Macha wrote: »
    Utter nonsense. Where are you getting this stuff from?

    All we ever hear is your plans for carbon taxing ordinary working people, tell us what punitive measures they plan for the rich and their mega corporations ?


  • #131
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    blanch152 wrote: »
    None of those are facts, they are opinions.

    In relation to the first one, improvements in battery storage for home generation will change the equation.

    Are batteries not dc current?and homes powered by ac current???



    Maybe tech has changed,but was under impression ac current cant be stored?


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  • #132
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Nobelium wrote: »
    No. 1 Fact - renewable energy will only be powering a fraction of all the electric cars when the majority of people switch over to them.

    No. 2 Fact - the green party consisted of, supported, propped up, and defended one of the most corrupt Irish governments ever seen. A government that ruined thousands of lives, and forced thousands of young people to emigrate, and forced those that remained, and their future generations to pay off their fraudulent banking and cronie capitalism debts.

    No. 3 Fact - the green party are only interested in carbon taxing those working people in Ireland who can lease afford it. No mention of going after the worst polluters, the rich and their corporations, nor holding anyone else to account.

    Rant 1-3

    Not a single fact. All incorrect pub talk as well


  • #133
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    _blaaz wrote: »
    Are batteries not dc current?and homes powered by ac current???

    You can power electric cars via AC connection at home

    Or DC fast chargers, fast chargers are the ones dotted around Ireland....

    Any plug can charge a car, slowly but they can...most people install a charge point st house and charge from that....


  • #134
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Rant 1-3

    Not a single fact. All incorrect pub talk as well

    and yet you haven't been able to contradict them with a single fact


  • #135
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    You can power electric cars via AC connection at home

    Or DC fast chargers, fast chargers are the ones dotted around Ireland....

    Any plug can charge a car, slowly but they can...most people install a charge point st house and charge from that....

    This is due to rectification....which changes ac to dc currents (also wastes 50% of current produced afaik??)


    Im.questioning the idea the proposal.that battery storage is going to be a game changer,when there isnt use for large.scale.storage??


    Maybe the tech has changed....i just dont understand how you can get an ac current from.an stationary object such as a battery




    In reality to say carbon and the planet,large scale comversion to veganism or vegitarianism or a minimum massive reduction in meat consumption would be quicker more effevtive long term solution


  • #136
    Macha
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,376 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    Nobelium wrote: »
    So in other words, even the TARGET figure acknowledges knows the majority of power will not be from renewables. lol
    You just said a fraction. I correct that to almost half and you're still not happy. You've no credibility if you debate like that.
    All we ever hear is your plans for carbon taxing ordinary working people, tell us what punitive measures they plan for the rich and their mega corporations ?
    The media is obsessed with carbon taxes because they're controversial. Do you know what are the biggest companies in the world? Fossil fuel companies. By taking Ireland off fossil fuels, they're going to be seriously damaging the profits of those companies.

    But you're asking entirely the wrong question. What we should be talking about is how do we facilitate the investments in the housing stock, all other buildings, public transport, renewable heat and power, shifting our agricultural model and ramping up reforestation big time.


  • #137
    s7ryf3925pivug
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    Thatcher and Bush Senior were strong proponents of urgent change to stop the ozone layer disappearing. Something bad has happened to conservative politics since their time.


  • #138
    Macha
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,376 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    Gabriella Tangy Universe wrote: »
    Thatcher and Bush senior were strong proponents of urgent change to stop the ozone layer disappearing. Something bad has happened to conservative politics since their time.
    Nixon set up the EPA of your can believe it.

    I can never understand how protecting the planet we all live on and depend on became a partisan issue.


  • #139
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Macha wrote: »
    You just said a fraction. I correct that to almost half and you're still not happy. You've no credibility if you debate like that.

    So what is the actual percentage , is even 49/50 at best not a fraction ? and not a minority ? Tell the truth.
    Macha wrote: »
    The media is obsessed with carbon taxes because they're controversial. Do you know what are the biggest companies in the world? Fossil fuel companies. By taking Ireland off fossil fuels, they're going to be seriously damaging the profits of those companies.

    But you're asking entirely the wrong question. What we should be talking about is how do we facilitate the investments in the housing stock, all other buildings, public transport, renewable heat and power, shifting our agricultural model and ramping up reforestation big time.

    I'll ask you again . . other than carbon taxing ordinary people who can least afford to pay, and least afford the alternatives . . what are they going to do with the rich and large corporations ?


  • #140
    Macha
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,376 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    Nobelium wrote: »
    So what is the actual percentage , is even 49/50 at best not a fraction ? and not a minority ? Tell the truth.
    99/100 is technically a fraction but we both know you were using it to mean a small share. Half is not a small share. Stop flogging this dead horse and acknowledge that evs will be significantly powered by renewables in Ireland.
    I'll ask you again, what other than carbon taxing ordinary people to death, what are they going to do with the rich and large corporations ?
    Go look up the biggest companies in the world and come back to me.


  • #141
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Macha wrote: »
    99/100 is technically a fraction but we both know you were using it to mean a small share. Half is not a small share. Stop flogging this dead horse and acknowledge that evs will be significantly powered by renewables in Ireland.

    So by your own admission, at best , if all targets are met, less than half of electric cars will be powered by non fossil fueled power plants.
    Macha wrote: »
    Go look up the biggest companies in the world and come back to me.

    Come back and tell me how much your going to carbon tax them instead of ordinary working people who can least afford any alternatives.


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  • #142
    the-island-man
    Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭the-island-man


    There's a lot that can be done if there were a willingness:
    - Referendum to exclude public transport infrastructure and procurement from ordinary planning and procurement guidelines.
    - Law to for agricultural land holdings to have a minimum % of tree cover
    - Law to force companies to accept working from home for office workers if worker lives greater than X miles or commutes greater than X minutes to work (relies on NBP)
    - Invest in spirit of Ireland initiative.
    - Every national road upgrade requires an adjacent and separated cycle path to be included.


  • #143
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    Domestic central heating is a huge contributor, much greater than transport emissions typically. Build large apartment blocks with modern heating systems and no fireplaces. This is what social housing should be.


  • #144
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,288 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    What did the Government do with the money generated by the last carbon tax and also the plastic bag tax?
    Keep it is my guess.


  • #145
    TheRiverman
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    the-island-man wrote: »
    There's a lot that can be done if there were a willingness:
    - Referendum to exclude public transport infrastructure and procurement from ordinary planning and procurement guidelines.
    - Law to for agricultural land holdings to have a minimum % of tree cover
    - Law to force companies to accept working from home for office workers if worker lives greater than X miles or commutes greater than X minutes to work (relies on NBP)
    - Invest in spirit of Ireland initiative.
    - Every national road upgrade requires an adjacent and separated cycle path to be included.

    Working from home is "cart before the horse" if the disastrous National Broadband Plan is not sorted.


  • #146
    TheRiverman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,231 ✭✭✭TheRiverman


    Gabriella Tangy Universe wrote: »
    Domestic central heating is a huge contributor, much greater than transport emissions typically. Build large apartment blocks with modern heating systems and no fireplaces. This is what social housing should be.

    What about the thousands of people living in rural Ireland ?.There is no alternative,if I want to stop using solid fuel and oil central heating right now there is nothing,except maybe very expensive Solar Panel systems or very expensive geothermal heating systems which I or thousands of others cannot afford.


  • #147
    kanuseeme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,927 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    TheRiverman wrote: »
    What about the thousands of people living in rural Ireland ?.There is no alternative,if I want to stop using solid fuel and oil central heating right now there is nothing,except maybe very expensive Solar Panel systems or very expensive geothermal heating systems which I or thousands of others cannot afford.

    I think the answer would be a very expensive retrofit with insulation,( windows doors also), then you would require less heat to keep your house warm.

    I cannot afford that and thousands of others.

    https://www.webdoctor.ie/online-prescriptions/#:~:text=Through%20an%20online%20medical%20questionnaire%2C%20face%2Dto%2Dface%20consultation,to%20booking%20a%20video%20consultation. not affiliated, just being helpful.



  • #148
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    TheRiverman wrote: »
    What about the thousands of people living in rural Ireland ?.There is no alternative,if I want to stop using solid fuel and oil central heating right now there is nothing,except maybe very expensive Solar Panel systems or very expensive geothermal heating systems which I or thousands of others cannot afford.
    Bio lpg or wood pellets and a modern condensing boiler.

    High efficiency wood burning stove with dry wood only, or just block up the fireplace. We are doing the latter.

    Solar panels aren’t that expensive and pay for themselves.

    Retrofitting an old house for a heat pump is indeed prohibitively expensive, but there are lots of more affordable options that are better than oil and a fireplace. I’m in rural Ireland myself.

    Double layer of rock wool insulation in attic.

    High polluting low efficiency social housing needs to be replaced with low emission high efficiency modern units leveraging economy of scale.


  • #149
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    Animal farming should be taxed to fund increased incentives to convert agricultural land to forest


  • #150
    kanuseeme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,927 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    Gabriella Tangy Universe wrote: »

    High polluting low efficiency social housing needs to be replaced with low emission high efficiency modern units leveraging economy of scale.

    I have doubts about bio LPG, and dry wood needs to be dried, i.e. requiring heat/ energy.

    What really bothers me is the modern units, the best would have a centralised heating system and multiples of units, more akin to a apartment block, and I do not want my family in one, when a member of a wandering ethic group living upstairs has a funeral or a wedding

    https://www.webdoctor.ie/online-prescriptions/#:~:text=Through%20an%20online%20medical%20questionnaire%2C%20face%2Dto%2Dface%20consultation,to%20booking%20a%20video%20consultation. not affiliated, just being helpful.



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  • #151
    the-island-man
    Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭the-island-man


    TheRiverman wrote: »
    Working from home is "cart before the horse" if the disastrous National Broadband Plan is not sorted.

    That's why I put relies on NBP in brackets. Still even with the way it is at the moment there is a significant part of the rural commuter belts getting fiber power broadband with EIR. Some of these people could be taken off the road.


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